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White Sox offense on the upswing?

How about this for an unfortunate headline?

The Twins score 13 tonight on 16 hits. The White Sox have 7 runs in the two games on... wait for it... 16 hits. And Jermaine Dye hits a solo HR in the 9th as I'm posting this, making the comparison slightly less pointed ... Who cares.

This is my recap.

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And of course

the Sox string together 4 hits in a row in the 9th to completely remove the comparison

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 7, 2008 11:25 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

wouldnt you prefer

a 15 run 9th recap?

Floyd for President
In Gavin We Trust

by e-gus on May 7, 2008 11:26 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

If Merkin is looking for work

I’m sure he could find a job as a Clinton surrogate.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 7, 2008 11:28 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Ya know

If that’s all the effort they put into playing, you really start to question the effort you put into being a fan. Wake me up when they blow this shit up, I think I’ve had enough.

"The little things are always in my mind," he said. "I always like to move the guy over, I like to bunt."

by ChicagoPete on May 7, 2008 11:47 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Great game...very entertaining

So, if the Sox did decide to trade Jenks and Vazquez now, I would think they could get some decent stuff. And Crede might even fetch a nominal prospect. Dye, if he waives his NTC, could probably get moved but not for anything useful but salary relief. That would open a spot for Jerry “Instant Offense” Owens at least.

I say let the firesale begin.

Any chance the Rangers trade Teagarden for Poreda, Broadway, and Shelby?

by hitlesswonder on May 7, 2008 11:48 PM CDT reply reply   0 recs

After having to spend so much on Linebrink and Dotel

They are not about to trade Jenks.

I wouldnt trade Vazquez as well. This team is strong in starting pitching, and replacing Vaz with anyone doesnt do anything short term or long term.

Our problem is our 3-4-5 are under contract, and are untradeable right now. We waited one year too long for the fire sale.

by southsideirish71 on May 8, 2008 12:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree

with sad tears, i agree.

Where have you gone Carlos Quentin our nation turns it lonely eyes to you? you you you!

"Walkie, you're doing a heck of a job."

by thecip on May 8, 2008 2:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Good question

Quentin stats are slipping. 2/12 in the 2 hole, 4/27 since last weeks road trip started.

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 8, 2008 7:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

2/12, 4/27

Is not the end the of the world, a couple multi hit games and it’s not even worth mentioning. I’d say we give him a few more days before we start worrying.
Hell.. even one good day would bring up his average to good from the 2 hole.

by Grinder in Training on May 8, 2008 8:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'd be more concerned about what's happening in the field

He mentally is having some issues out there the last couple games

by Brush Back on May 8, 2008 8:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Guess that means

Walker must have got to him.

by Grinder in Training on May 8, 2008 8:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

oh no!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 8, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'd trade Jenks in a heartbeat

but that’s only because I wish to avoid giving him a long-term contract, which seems likely to be signed if he’s able to post another successful season. I think the likelihood of Jenks being effective for the rest of his arbitration years is much less than that of Javy being effective for the remainder of his contract.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on May 8, 2008 12:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'd agree

If the goal is to build a team to contend in 2009 or 2010, trading Jenks now is the single best move to do that. I also think Javy is likely to stay good longer—he isn’t losing 2 MPH per year from his fastball. But I do wonder what he could bring a trade. Still, if the Sox want to compete in 09, Javy is probably necessary in the rotation.

Things I would like to see and that might have a small chance of actually happening: the Sox trading Contreras and Crede now. Of course, Fields got hisself hurt, which may throw a wrench into that.

by hitlesswonder on May 8, 2008 12:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm think they would in a heartbeat

They traded Danks for McCarthy’s bad arm and although they got Hamilton, they gave up Volquez who’s doing great for the Reds. No young arms to speak of and they have 3 solid catchers in the organization. The GM (Daniels) is perceived as being a master of bad trades. With ol’ Nolan as the new president, he would need his approval, but I can’t see Ryan passing on any chance to get pitching.

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on May 8, 2008 12:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

After McCarthy

and what Danks is doing now, would they really want to get burned twice?

by Grinder in Training on May 8, 2008 8:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not to mention

Poreda is an injury risk too.

by Grinder in Training on May 8, 2008 8:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

explain

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 8, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Poreda Being an injury risk?

Or the fact Danks has better then McCarthy?

by Grinder in Training on May 8, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Sorry

I thought both were pretty well documented here in the past so I wasn’t sure. I’m obviously not a baseball scout, but I’ve just read numerous times that Poreda has bad mechanics, that combined with the fact he throws in the mid – high 90’s makes for an injury risk. Then you take into account the fact his secondary pitches are still supposedly pretty mediocre would suggest to me that if he does lose velocity he’d become at best a pretty average pitcher.

Considering the Rangers just took McCarthy who had questionable mechanics and got injured while Danks is flourishing with the White Sox would lead me to think they would have to question any trade for our new best pitching prospect pretty hard.

by Grinder in Training on May 8, 2008 11:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

just to clarify

one guy, who has, for whatever reason, gotten a lot of play amongst posters on sites like this, said poreda had poor mechanics. as i’ve tried to point out ad nauseum ever since it was first referred to on this site, the guy was looking at video from early in poreda’s season when, as any analyst of any worth would have been able to easily discover, his college was tinkering with his delivery. it was an experiment that ended quickly. so, no, it’s not well-documented. it’s just oft repeated. his mechanics are fine. i doubt he carries much more or less injury risk than any other pitching prospect of his age.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 8, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Assuming no known injury issues

The Rangers need young pitching (like everyone else). I’d rather have Saltamacchia than Teagarden personally. The boy can hit.

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on May 8, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

this is from a non-texas based observer

but i was talking to one of our dallas-based partners about the rangers and their continual fuck-ups. he didn’t know the answer to this but is there concern about how they develop pitchers in the minors? they’ve had quite a few good pitching prospects who have either not produced or produced upon leaving the organization. obviously there is lots that go into such things that are outside the reasonable control of an organization but any thoughts?

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 8, 2008 12:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Do you who was the king of player development?

A guy who could spot talent a mile away and then mold it like Michelangelo?

I took the "under".

by winningugly on May 8, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

buzzy bavasi

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 8, 2008 12:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

games sucked major balls...

That’s why you don’t get all excited about one offensive breakout.

Our offense still sucks but it’s probably just luck.

by SSH2005 on May 8, 2008 7:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Instant Karma

Buehrle grabbing Uribe’s bat to smash the dugout space heater? Coincidence? I think not…

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 8, 2008 7:38 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I think the entire

staff has the same feeling, and not just towards Uribe. Offense is what it is, not too good. I see this thing turning around in a couple of years when some of our top prospects make it to the show. Oh, wait a minute.

Buehrle has completely lost it…he is getting pounded this year. We got him locked up though – thank god.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 8, 2008 7:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What top prospects?

And Buehrle is definitely done…certainly don’t need more than 20% of a season to make that judgement

by hitlesswonder on May 8, 2008 8:14 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We don't have any

I know.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 8, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yep thats it

Its all Buerhle’s fault.

by Tdogg on May 8, 2008 8:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It is not Buehrle's fault

I never said that…I just said he has been getting pounded this year. But, after checking his starts this year he has been hit hard 3 out of 7 starts – so maybe “pounded” was a little much.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 8, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the heater is on sale
I know this isn’t Craig’s List or Ebay, but anyone out there need a used outdoor space heater? Decent condition, slightly “loved.”

http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/05/end_of_a_quick_homestand.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 8, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

it sez

“Juan is very protective of his bats”

So much, that he doesn’t even like to get baseball marks on them…

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 8, 2008 2:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just a couple of quick points.....

I’m not sure who pointed this out here a few days back (probably a few people), but we can bitch and complain all we want about the top of the order, 2B, etc…..but none of it means anything when you look at Thome, Konerko, Dye, AJ, etc…..if those guys don’t hit, well we see what happens.

Also….without a doubt KW has made some bold moves of late that really look great….but he’s going/maybe already does regret the Buehrle signing, Dye extension, not dumping Konerko in the offseason…..but before I blame KW for this I have a feeling there was pressure from the business side (ticket sales) to hold onto Buehrle, Konerko…..

Bottom line—-we suck now and will probably suck for the next 2-3 years.

by stanchar on May 8, 2008 9:34 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

KW was stuck with both of those

PK gives the game Paul to JR – hits the HR in the WS… fans would have been PO’d / Buehrle, same thing. I really think KW was ready to pull the trigger but there was a lot of pressure on the bus, especially since Mark cornered them with the discount to stay. (Don’t forget – Oz made the statement to the fans that if Mark struggles in the future….something like that, after the signing)

by Brush Back on May 8, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

lets not forget that KW explored

trade options with Dye and MB. Pretty hard, I bet. Probably exploring trading Konerko quietly. The returns just aren’t there.

That doesn’t mean that the alternative should have been to lock up Dye – that wasn’t smart.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 8, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thats the one I hate the most

When he had 2 productive years that would have resulted in draft choices

by Brush Back on May 8, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

when it rains it pours.

in 48 plate appearances prior to last night, nick “i can’t fucking believe a major league team can get away with playing you at shortstop even for one game” punto had driven in two runs. after last night, well, now he’s got seven. for a piranha, that dude sure doesn’t eat very often.

Repeat after me: reading comprehension, even a little bit of thought before posting, and basic research are not signs of weakness.

by Toonderstrook on May 8, 2008 9:49 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

No shit.

That team sucks. That is not a good lineup, even adding Mauer. And I’m glad I’m at work today….that way I don’t have to listen to Hawk come for hours all over Carlos Gomez. Please. Decent prospect with some obvious tools…but come on, Hawk. He was even making Rickey Henderson comparisons.

by dantesox on May 8, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hawk did that only because

Carlos can’t be measured up to a real gamer like Owens

by Brush Back on May 8, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Doesn't matter

who the Twins have in their lineup. They have all been (or will be) Sox killers at some point. That goes back several years. Punto is just another example. Torii Hunter, Shannon Stewart, Jacque Jones, Lew Ford, hell, even AJ killed the Sox at various points during their Twins tenure. Every year, no matter the payroll, the Twins find a way to be competitive. It probably has a lot more to do with good managing than the skill level of the folks on the field or in the batter’s box. It’s tough to hate a team like that.

C'mon, Smokey! This isn't 'Nam, it's bowling. There are rules!

by thekever on May 8, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not to me

The Twins and Cleveland can go screw themselves forever as far as Im concerned.

by Tdogg on May 8, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

amen brother!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on May 8, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It's the Consistency

It’s like we have whole team of Juan Uribes!

by phastphil on May 8, 2008 9:51 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

I love how everyone now thinks the Buehrle signing was a mistake

I’m sorry, but a LHP with his track record and at his age (which is young for a FA pitcher) for 4 years at well-below market rate was not a mistake. Granted, he could turn out to be done, so there was some risk. It’s still not a bad signing.

Who else were the Sox going to spend that money on? It’s not anywhere near enough to get an elite FA pitcher. Who would the Sox have inn the rotation instead right now? Broadway? Kyle Lohse? For goodness sake.

by hitlesswonder on May 8, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Masset

When starting he can hit the high 90’s on the speed gun.

(this is a brutal attempt of a joke)

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 8, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

certainly

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 8, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The Buehrle signing...

was the best move Kenny Williams made last year. The Dye and Pierzynski extensions were way, way worse.

Buehrle will be fine.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on May 8, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I pay no attention to that.

Starting pitching is probably where the team is best off right now (cost price points included). This wishy wash stuff with Mark is goofy. He certainly had a bad year in 06 but duh what about the rest of his career?

by Tdogg on May 8, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lol

Smart ass I meant moving forward. But okay take out the probably.

by Tdogg on May 8, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

offense on the upswing?

I thought you were referring to Buehrle’s wielding of Uribe’s bat on a hapless space heater.

... Just proving that it isn’t the bat’s problem—the bat can actually hit something.

by ruffster on May 8, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

HA!

“Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. “

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on May 8, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i thought i'd seen some sexy, sexy lineups. but this one takes the cake.

nothing like leading off a guy with a negative EqA.

Ramirez, SS; Q, LF; Thome, DH; PK, 1B; Dye, RF; Swish, CF; Crede, 3B; Uribe, 2B; Hall, C. Pink-chinned John Danks takes the mound.

Jesus H. Larry! I said the first half!

by larry on May 8, 2008 10:50 AM CDT reply reply   0 recs

Yikes.

Ramirez leading off? Reaching is not the word.

by Tdogg on May 8, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

desperate times, man

I am ok with just about any change at this point.

Put Thome at short, I don’t care.

Since they arent going to make any REAL changes (i.e. give anybody some walking papers).

Give me a reason to watch just for novelty sakes…

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on May 8, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ARam II

Is just as likely to lead off with a double as a K so what’s the difference right now? Okay as likely is a stretch but I thought I’d try!

by Tdogg on May 8, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You wouldn't take his '98-'02 OPS's in the .800s?

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 8, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Obviously I would...

I was just making the comparison about how Ramirez seems to hit a lot of deep flyouts that would be homers if he had more power.

by SSH2005 on May 8, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And I was thinking about Durham's doubles,

some of which turned into HRs.

"Lipstick traces on cigarettes can get you in trouble or remind you of the wonders of the night before."

by Chiburb on May 8, 2008 11:33 AM CDT to parent up