Another Terrible Day at the Trop
I hear Ozzie just went off on a rant, and I don't blame him. I just returned from another Sunday Kids' Day at the Trop, and am seething about a number of things. I will compose myself, however, to give a little backdrop as to the gestalt of the day.
-My 71 year old father brought his 70 year old friend Ed f rom the over-55 community, and lo and behold, Keith, there IS knowledge in old codgers. Ed was born and raised at 63rd and Halsted (IIRC), and at age 5 became a Sox fan honestly - an 8 year old bully asked him if we was a White Sox or Cubs fan. He relates "I picked the one that sounded cuddly and safe, being 5 years old. The kid told me 'If you don't change your mind now I am going to hit you in the mouth. You live on the South Side, you root for the Sox. Understand?' So from that day forward I was a Sox fan." Ed is a Sabermetrician, one of the first (he says), and (hold on, Wiz) knows from VORP, OBP, OPS, etc. So it was a fun day from that perspective - finding a die-hard well-informed Sox fan in Cent'l FL.
-The Trop should be blown up. There were at least 3 noticeable instances where players lost the ball in the lights (at 3 PM EST) - Crawford and Gomes making diving catches in LF that were fairly routine plays, but that neither player picked up off the bat, and AJ's befuddlement at a foul pop-up that Konerko caught, sprinting (?!) to the Rays dugout. AJ never left the catcher's box, having never seen the ball. There were at least 3-4 other balls that nearly hit the lights that were routine pop-ups.
On to the game:
-Sonnastine should've been lit up like Johnny Torch. We should've had at least 5 runs off him. He was extremely lucky to only have given up 3. He looked like the pitcher the rest of the league has seem (above 5 ERA).
-Buehrle, once again, was extremely unlucky. The 2nd and 3rd runs were scored only because the first 2 runners in the 5th got litle cheapy squib/bloop hits to RF. He gave up the ringing triple to Gross but then proceeded to get out of the guy-on-3rd, no-one-out situation with no further damage. He deserved better.
-Slash (dammit, I'm gonna keep trying)/A-Ram is, if he keeps playing like this, an IF version of Quentin (where was Q-perman, anyway?). 3-4 at the plate, and the out was probably the longest/highest out of the day, hit 1/8" too low on the ball. More impressive than the fact that his hits went to left, right, and a bunt single (with 2 outs) was the play he made on Riggans' double in the 5th. It was a sawed-off bloop hit that spun toward the RF foul line once it hit, and threatened to score Gomes from first. Slash grabbed it running away from the field, barehanded on the first bounce, did a Don Kessinger-like spin throw to 2nd and kept the run from scoring. A helluva play. A-Ram was a joy to watch and seems to be getting his USA sea legs under him.
-The old and white guys are trying (witness Thomer's 10th inning busted-bat hustle double, catching Upton with his pants around his ankles). However, after Konerko actually got a hit to RIGHT field the 2nd inning it seemed like no one from 3rd through 7th in our lineup cared to poke it the other way (Thome's ringing double to left-center in the 7th being the exception). And with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs the middle of the order continues to choke. Ed ,who coached for a small college team, asked the question "Why does everyone seem to drop their shoulder and try to hit a fly ball?" Can't believe the amount of pop-ups in clutch situations (yeah, Crede had another one) we saw.
-Old and young alike see the following:
1. Swisher is horrible, the called 3rd strike to end the top of the 10th being a perfect end to a horrible day at the plate. (Yeah, he got a hit because first base got in the way of his grounder in the 2nd.)
2. Paulie's hand seems to be OK - he was killing it in BP, hitting ropes and HR's as he pleased. I would imagine if here were in such pain he might've gone easy. Yet he is clueless with runners on. Ditto Dye, Thome, Crede, and Swisher.
3. Walker needs to be a sacrificial lamb. A 70 year old sees it, as does a 50 year old, and I'd bet a few 30 and 10 year olds on this site, too.
4. Thornton NEVER should pitch more than one inning. He blew away folks in the 9th and gives up the gopher leading off the 10th.
5. Perhaps to emulate Swisher/Thome and their "gaudy" OBP (with respect to their paltry AVG), or perhaps Q!, the Sox take a LOT of first-pitch strikes. Say what you will about OC, Slash/AR, etc. but sometimes when you've got a pitcher on the run you get aggressive. They seem pretty passive (or they are just being fooled constantly).
6. No duh, but the Rays are better than us. Think 2005 Sox with less payroll and more upside. Just doing enough to win. We were amazed that 2 first place teams had so many guys hitting near Mendoza - I believe only Upton wasthe only player on the fieldover .300; But they are exciting to watch.
All told, another fucking game we should've won with any timely hits. Crede seems to be done, Thome (his 2 hits not withstanding) looks over-matched. Paulie is stuck. JD had no clue at the plate in any situation. So instead of leaving St. Pete with 3 of 4 in the "W" column we get the opposite.
Frustrating game, though it was a pleasure to watch Ramirez' creativity, AJ's determination, the professionalism of Buehrle, and Thome's hustle play. I think we have to sit Swisher, play BA, maybe try a healthy Uribe at 3rd - shake up the somnambulists that is the middle of our order.
And where is Q!?
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I changed your headline when I upgraded this to the front page WU
I don’t mind swearing, but didn’t want it in 24 pt font on the top of the site
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Jun 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Tampa Series
I am as frustrated as anyone else. However, I don’t know what they could do to just become an average hitting team. With pitching like this, it is a shame that Nick Swisher, Paul Konerko, Jim Thome, etc, can’t even hit .250 which is still considerably below their career averages.
by Alan Snipes on Jun 1, 2008 10:26 PM CDT 0 recs
I may be guilty of picking nits here
but .250 is almost Swish’s career avg prior to this year (.251 to be exact)
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on
Jun 1, 2008 11:16 PM CDT
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My grasp at rationality...
It’s frustrating to see such excellent pitching wasted repeatedly, and to be honest after the end of today’s game I was very slightly tempted to post that the Sox should DFA Swisher and have Crede carry his bags. But, I then proceeded to play (and lose) a truly excellent pickup soccer game to a bunch of 5 year olds which helped restore my sense of proportionality.
The Sox basically have no options to improve their offense. They don’t have minor leaguers to trade with Fields hurt and they can’t bring up Fields (with him hurt). The Sox have to hope Swisher can turn himself around…I think Thome and Konerko are what they are at this—I don’t expect either to improve the rest of the year. What I would do is this:
1) Hit Swisher 2nd…I’m not a big believer in order juggling mysticism, but what the hell. Plus he ha shown OBP skills in the past, so it might work.
2) Play Ramirez instead of Uribe. I know I just agreed with Cheat that there’s little difference between the two, but Ramirez is actually hot right now. Play until he cools off and then play him a little longer to see if he gets hot again. His OBP will be bad, but still maybe better than Uribe and I’d rather see that than power.
3) Get Fields healthy and bring him up. Have him take at-bats from Thome against LHP and Crede as well.
That’s it. There’s not much else that can be done.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 1, 2008 10:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Swisher at 2 might not be a bad idea...
At the least, he’d see a lot of fastballs ahead of Quentin. If he can’t hit those, maybe it’s time for him to catch the next flight to Charlotte.
Will...I...be...able...to...play...softball...tomorrow?
Oh, no, Mr. Scioscia. At this time tomorrow, you'll barely be able to breathe.
by UribeAuction on
Jun 1, 2008 10:52 PM CDT
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"and have Crede carry his bags."
Ill forget for a second the joke of DFA for Swish but in all seriousness why the Crede bashing? What am I missing? The only real thing wrong with Crede right now is his ridiculous stats vs LP but that can’t last. His power numbers were down in May but he still posted a .793 OPS.
by Tdogg on
Jun 1, 2008 11:13 PM CDT
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His walk rate is well above his career line.
I’m optimistic that Joe can be an average 3b offensively
and, probably, an above average defensive 3b.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Jun 1, 2008 11:37 PM CDT
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Crede already has 11 errors on the season...
and many of them on routine throws to first base. I don’t see any way that Crede can be considered an “above average defensive 3B” by the end of the year, unless he doesn’t commit another error until the end of the season.
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 12:45 AM CDT
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Because errors or lack of them are telling stats right?
Not range or anything. Crede has 6 win shares this season. Tied for 2nd for AL 3rd baseman. 1.1 of it from fielding. 3rd best in the league.
The Sox have other problems. Crede is not 1 of them.
by Tdogg on
Jun 2, 2008 12:50 AM CDT
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I mention errors because he has made many of them on routine throws to 1B...
That is a bad error.
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 7:54 AM CDT
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For every error he's made,
he’s made 1 1/2 – 2 spectacular stops that few if any other 3B makes.
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The first rule of SnakePit is – you do not talk about Carlos Quentin.
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by ballyb on
Jun 2, 2008 6:42 AM CDT
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Crede will soon be back down to his career OPS of .755 just like I told you...
The pop-ups have only just begun.
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 12:31 AM CDT
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You really hate stats huh?
OPS April .847
OPS May .793
OPS last healthy year 06’ .829
OPS this year .822
The Sox have played the least home games in MLB
Yep you are right on track.
by Tdogg on
Jun 2, 2008 12:38 AM CDT
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And Crede is down to an .800 OPS right now...
He could be at .755 in a couple weeks. His OPS has definitely been falling, has it not?
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 12:40 AM CDT
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What part of .822 don't you understand?
Falling from his torrid start? Of course. But pretty steady dude. And he hasn’t even hit in the Cell summer months or left handers yet.
by Tdogg on
Jun 2, 2008 12:43 AM CDT
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Crede is not really that much better against lefties than righties in his career...
Crede’s career line versus righties: .257 / .301 / .449 / .750
Crede’s career line versus lefties: .264 / .322 / .442 / .764
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 7:58 AM CDT
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Thats my point
His line vs LP this year. .103/.186/.128.
I think its fair to think that will improve. What is your malfunction regarding Crede? I mean really. With all the things to possibly rail on why the pesistence with this? Crede is not the issue for this team.
by Tdogg on
Jun 2, 2008 8:12 AM CDT
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What is your malfunctionHa, that just made me think of Full Metal Jacket
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on
Jun 2, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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whoops, botched the quote, oh well
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on
Jun 2, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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I have no malfunction regarding Crede...
I like the way he has hit thus far but I just know that he will soon be back to his career averages. 2006 was a fluke.
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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you could at least account for his improved walk rate
and if you think that his throwing errors aren’t going away, then why is he going to revert wrt his hitting? are not both matters of track record vs. short term trend? you haven’t resolved this well at all.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Jun 2, 2008 7:40 PM CDT
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I never said that about Crede's defense...
What I meant was that all of these early errors are likely going to keep him from being an “above average defender” at 3B on the season. He could be great from now until the end of the season but the early terrible defense is going to hurt his defense on the season.
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 7:46 PM CDT
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was it not clear i was referring to here on out?
sorry.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Jun 3, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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Crede’s not the problem. He has very good lateral quickness. I am surprised by the amount of throwing errors tho. Considering he’s coming off back surgery, I’m happy with his progress so far.
by SoxfaninAZ on
Jun 2, 2008 8:15 AM CDT
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I said it was irrational
Seeing both Swisher and Crede fail late in the game made me feel a little antagonistic towards them. I obviously don’t want either guy DFA’d—it wasn’t a serious suggestion, just an expression of frustration.
by hitlesswonder on
Jun 2, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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DFA swisher?
Are you crazy? He’s sucking, but my god, he’ll turn it around at some point.
by madvillian on
Jun 1, 2008 11:31 PM CDT
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Sweet Josephine
I didn’t mean the Sox should really do it—later I said they should bat him 2nd. I was just describing how frustrating that K was to watch.
by hitlesswonder on
Jun 2, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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Hear ya.
Obviously, the draft pick stuff is a big consideration. I’m not saying it has even a snowball’s chance in hell….but I CAN understand the idea crossing someone’s mind given what’s going on .
by dantesox on
Jun 2, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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My Prediction
The Sox win Tuesday night and play well and Guillen and KW will forget how crappy this team is at hitting.
by striker on Jun 1, 2008 11:12 PM CDT 0 recs
How about
Floyd fiiiiinally finished off a no-hitter so everyone gets sidetracked by that and conveniently forget about the offense.
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on
Jun 1, 2008 11:18 PM CDT
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This sounds a lot like getting caught up in the micro-focus of a single game
On the other hand, why is the Mendoza line exerting gravity proportional to our expectations for our best hitters? For veterans who’ve long established their hitting acumen, it’s just bizarre.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Jun 1, 2008 11:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Our offense has been shitty for much longer than one single game.
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 12:32 AM CDT
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if only that were more relevant to the whole of what i typed
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Jun 2, 2008 2:50 AM CDT
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Nice recap, WU
Sounds like you had a good time talking with the old man. Too bad you couldn’t bring home a winner, ugly.
This team is very frustrating to keep track of, but I agree with the consensus, pretty much the only option is to stick with the players they’ve got and hope it works out. Sheesh.
Even if it is just shuffling deck chairs, can we bring back the “Fire Greg Walker” campaign? Maybe these guys would respond to new blood, but it’s really more for my shits and giggles.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 2, 2008 12:16 AM CDT 0 recs
Agreed...
Regardless of whether or not it will affect the offense (it probably will have no affect), Walker should be shit-canned. For no other reason that it will show that the White Sox organization actually gives a crap about production in one’s job performance. It took how long for the Sox to do anything about their crappy minor league development staff? The fact that Greg Walker still has a job is getting embarrassing.
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 12:37 AM CDT
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I dont think he matters much
But Id like to see Walker canned also.
by Tdogg on
Jun 2, 2008 12:41 AM CDT
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Seriously, if they all really like the guy, give him a job in PR or something
and give the players an alternative. Can we bring in Hrniak as a “special adviser” ? Whatever it takes to constitute real change, I don’t care what the formal proceedings look like.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on
Jun 2, 2008 2:54 AM CDT
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We need somebody in Latin America and the DR.
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by ballyb on
Jun 2, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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hriniak
wikipedia says he has opened his own hiktting school
I assume he prefers it there…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Jun 2, 2008 1:48 PM CDT
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Great story and recap, WU.
I may have seen you on the tubes yesterday. Was your Dad sitting to your right, both of you wearing Sox jerseys and hats? He with sun glasses around his neck?
Anyway, despite the outcome, I’m glad you had a good time with the old man/men.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 2, 2008 7:30 AM CDT 0 recs
Thanks re: compliment.
Nope – he was sitting to my left. Those guys were probably 2 rows below us.We were 20 rows up from the field, to the left of the Sox dugout. I was with 2 old tall grey panthers. Like yourself.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Jun 2, 2008 7:33 AM CDT
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Sox want Brett Wallace?
But the AL scouting director said he wouldn’t be surprised if the Sox take Arizona State’s Brett Wallace, a left-handed-hitting infielder, if Beckham has already been selected.Wallace, the 2007 Pac-10 Player of the Year, was batting .415 with 21 homers and 81 RBIs in 58 games. ASU coach Pat Murphy moved the 6-foot-1-inch, 245-pound Wallace from first to third base this season.
The scouting director believes Wallace could turn out to be a better hitter than Alonso or South Carolina first baseman Justin Smoak.
by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 8:07 AM CDT 0 recs
What am I missing?
Obviously, we haven’t been hitting well. I don’t need Ozzie pointing it out, and I don’t need to come to SSS to figure that out either. Having said that:
1. The Sox are in first place.
2. Five teams in MLB (only two in the AL) are .500 or better on the road, and the Sox are one of them.
3. The Sox have played 22 home games and 34 road games to this point.
4. The Twins have played 31 home games and 25 road games.
5. The Indians have played 32 home games and 24 road games.
Heaven forbid, I’m actually going to feel pretty good about this team right now and enjoy them. The funny thing is that had the Sox won yesterday by a score of 4-3, everybody would be fine, Kenny and Ozzie would be hugging, sports radio would be singng their praises and we all might be appreciating how much better this team has played this year than most of us anticipated.
by palehose67 on Jun 2, 2008 8:08 AM CDT 1 recs
Clearly because everybody
Expected the Sox to be in first place and run away with the division before the season started. They have been a HUGE disappointment and have no hope for the future.
They have faced very weak pitching lately and should have pounded it.
Konerko, Thome and Swisher will never hit again.
We should all buy Cubs hats.
The funny thing is the great Hawk actually called this if they lost that game.
by Tdogg on
Jun 2, 2008 8:16 AM CDT
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Expectations are raised when all of the other teams in the division are playing like shit...
No one expected the Tigers to be this bad either.
by SSH2005 on
Jun 2, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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Well, sure, if we won I'd be happy
But we didn’t – and had every opportunity to do so. We were facing a pitcher who is not “hot” and just didn’t execute basic, fundamental strategy (get home the runner from 3rd with < 2 outs). We may have a played a lot of games on the road (and done very well) but we’ve had an easy schedule, too.
And, yeah, many of us did not expect this record at this point, including me. It seems a shame to waste good pitching and the fact that all the new guys/rookies/2nd year guys, without exception (well, maybe OC is the exception) have played beyond any reasonable expectation makes the “core” performance (aside from AJ/JD) more frustrating.
We’d win these in 2005, which points out how fortunate we were, and how little margin for error we had then (and now).
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Jun 2, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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The very statement
“if we’d won I’d be happy” is exactly what I’m talking about. I, by no means, am pointing at you, WU, but it’s the constant “what have you done for me in the last two hours” attitude in sports that is so silly. And, of course, it’s that same attitude that feeds sports radio and certain crazy sports columnists (not that we have any of those kind in Chicago). Especially in baseball, the season is such a long haul, that the big picture must always be the focus. And for two months now, this team has been pretty good.
by palehose67 on
Jun 2, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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Thanks for the specifics on the Home / Road splits for the division.
Also Detroit has played 24 H and 32 R.
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Detroit is very similar to Chicago.
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by ballyb on
Jun 2, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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sorry. 20 out of 26 in chicago
counting the 3 at wrigley
by The Scoper on
Jun 2, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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26 out of 32 actually...blah
excluding the cub series…upcoming opponenst win-loss record for this stretch is a collective 204 – 247.
Only the twins at 29-27 and oakland at 30-27 have winning records
the others:
kc 23-34
det 24-32 road
col 20-37
pit 26-30
la 27-29 road
cle 25-31
by The Scoper on
Jun 2, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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Final answer?
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by ballyb on
Jun 2, 2008 10:41 AM CDT
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Nothing at all
But losing three close games in a row despite stellar pitching will bring on the negativity.
Overall, I like that the Sox hung with the Rays in the three games they lost. I’m glad the team is in first, but I fear that wasted opportunities will be a problem come season’s end, ie they will end up 3 games back of the eventual division winner despite >5 games they “should have” won.
Quite frankly, it’s maddening that they couldn’t pull it off in the two one-run games because of the multitude of opportunities. And honestly, I would have been happy with splitting the series.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on
Jun 2, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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Quote from Kenny
’’Very interesting, very disappointing,’’ Williams said. ’’It’s never a good idea to throw your boss under the bus, especially when that boss has had his back as much as I have. I guess that lineup will be real interesting to see on Tuesday.”
In other words, don’t expect any changes.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on Jun 2, 2008 8:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Certainly not from Kenny
There isn’t much he can do. His hands are tied with restrictive contracts and underperformance. BTW, what is Fields status? I keep hearing/reading that he is hurt.
"Still waking up in the mornings with shaking hands"
by thekever on
Jun 2, 2008 8:23 AM CDT
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He was definitely hurt a few weeks ago...
But I think he is healthy again. (tendinitis in his right knee) The last game he played was on May 28th, so I’m not sure if something happened recently.
"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca
by BoKnows on
Jun 2, 2008 8:38 AM CDT
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Kinda young to have tendinitis in the knee
already.
If relatively healthy, though, I’d call him up, if only to shake it up a bit.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Jun 2, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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I had tendinitis in my knees at age 14
so I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Rest, followed by stretching and strengthening could take care of the tendinitis, or at least it worked for me.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on
Jun 2, 2008 1:47 PM CDT
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Josh has tremendous personal faith
that will heal any injury in miraculous ways. Worked for Reggie White every single time. Except for the arrythmia.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on
Jun 2, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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Whoo, hope I don't get one of those
Perhaps Reggie White’s tremendous personal faith could work for me as well? I’ve got a creak in my neck that could use some attending to ;)
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on
Jun 2, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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Ouch.
Has enough time passed to joke about RW’s death?
Yes. We’re not Packer Backers, right?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on
Jun 2, 2008 8:02 PM CDT
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I find KWs remarks funny
Seems like Oz has never said anything bad – even this (KWs thin skin showing again), about him. Oz is frustrated, he has to deal with the press every day, he has to answer for the lack of offense with players that are given to him… yet Williams then wines about being thrown under the bus.
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Jun 2, 2008 8:24 AM CDT
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Kenny...
...actually made some good moves over the winter. Linebrink, Dotel, Q!, ARam. So so is OCab. Swish has been horrible. It’s tough to throw Kenny completely under the bus. Maybe a little shove.
"Still waking up in the mornings with shaking hands"
by thekever on
Jun 2, 2008 8:34 AM CDT
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I took it as Kenny diffusing the situation
He deftly took the focus away from the players and made it into a critique about himself. I would be surprised if there was actually any tension between Guillen and Williams over this.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on
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With ya.
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