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Another Terrible Day at the Trop

I hear Ozzie just went off on a rant, and I don't blame him.  I just returned from another Sunday Kids' Day at the Trop, and am seething about a number of things.  I will compose myself, however, to give a little backdrop as to the gestalt of the day.

-My 71 year old father brought his 70 year old friend Ed f rom the over-55 community, and lo and behold, Keith, there IS knowledge in old codgers.  Ed was born and raised at 63rd and Halsted (IIRC), and at age 5 became a Sox fan honestly - an 8 year old bully asked him if we was a White Sox or Cubs fan.  He relates "I picked the one that sounded cuddly and safe, being 5 years old.  The kid told me 'If you don't change your mind now I am going to hit you in the mouth.  You live on the South Side, you root for the Sox.  Understand?'  So from that day forward  I was a Sox fan."  Ed is a Sabermetrician, one of the first (he says), and (hold on, Wiz)  knows from VORP, OBP, OPS, etc.  So it was a fun day from that perspective - finding a die-hard well-informed Sox fan in Cent'l FL.

-The Trop should be blown up.  There were at least 3 noticeable instances where players lost the ball in the lights (at 3 PM EST) - Crawford and Gomes making diving catches in LF that were fairly routine plays, but that neither player picked up off the bat, and AJ's befuddlement at a foul pop-up that Konerko caught, sprinting (?!) to the Rays dugout.  AJ never left the catcher's box, having never seen the ball.  There were at least 3-4 other balls that nearly hit the lights that were routine pop-ups.

On to the game:

-Sonnastine should've been lit up like Johnny Torch.  We should've had at least 5 runs off him.  He was extremely lucky to only have given up 3.  He looked like the pitcher the rest of the league has seem (above 5 ERA).

-Buehrle, once again, was extremely unlucky.  The 2nd and 3rd runs were scored only because the first 2 runners in the 5th got litle cheapy squib/bloop hits to RF.  He gave up the ringing triple to Gross but then proceeded to get out of the guy-on-3rd, no-one-out situation with no further damage.  He deserved better.

-Slash (dammit, I'm gonna keep trying)/A-Ram is, if he keeps playing like this, an IF version of Quentin (where was Q-perman, anyway?).  3-4 at the plate, and the out was probably the longest/highest out of the day, hit 1/8" too low on the ball.  More impressive than the fact that his hits went to left, right, and a bunt single (with 2 outs) was the play he made on Riggans' double in the 5th.  It was a sawed-off bloop hit that spun toward the RF foul line once it hit, and threatened to score Gomes from first.  Slash grabbed it running away from the field, barehanded on the first bounce, did a Don Kessinger-like spin throw to 2nd and kept the run from scoring.  A helluva play.  A-Ram was a joy to watch and seems to be getting his USA sea legs under him.

-The old and white guys are trying (witness Thomer's 10th inning busted-bat hustle double, catching Upton with his pants around his ankles).  However, after Konerko actually got a hit to RIGHT field the 2nd inning it seemed like no one from 3rd through 7th in our lineup cared to poke it the other way (Thome's ringing double to left-center in the 7th being the exception).  And with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs the middle of the order continues to choke.  Ed ,who coached for a small college team, asked the question "Why does everyone seem to drop their shoulder and try to hit a fly ball?"  Can't believe the amount of pop-ups in clutch situations (yeah, Crede had another one) we saw.

-Old and young alike see the following:

1.  Swisher is horrible, the called 3rd strike to end the top of the 10th being a perfect end to a horrible day at the plate.  (Yeah, he got a hit because first base got in the way of his grounder in the 2nd.)

2.  Paulie's hand seems to be OK - he was killing it in BP, hitting ropes and HR's as he pleased.  I would imagine if here were in such pain he might've gone easy.  Yet he is clueless with runners on.  Ditto Dye, Thome, Crede, and Swisher.

3.  Walker needs to be a sacrificial lamb.  A 70 year old sees it, as does a 50 year old, and I'd bet a few 30 and 10 year olds on this site, too.

4.  Thornton NEVER should pitch more than one inning.  He blew away folks in the 9th and gives up the gopher leading off the 10th.

5.  Perhaps to emulate Swisher/Thome and their "gaudy" OBP (with respect to their paltry AVG), or perhaps Q!,  the Sox take a LOT of first-pitch strikes.  Say what you will about OC, Slash/AR, etc. but sometimes when you've got a pitcher on the run you get aggressive.  They seem pretty passive (or they are just being fooled constantly).

6.  No duh, but the Rays are better than us.  Think 2005 Sox with less payroll and more upside.  Just doing enough to win.  We were amazed that 2 first place teams had so many guys hitting near Mendoza - I believe only Upton wasthe only player on the fieldover .300; But they are exciting to watch.

All told, another fucking game we should've won with any timely hits.  Crede seems to be done, Thome (his 2 hits not withstanding) looks over-matched.  Paulie is stuck.  JD had no clue at the plate in any situation.  So instead of leaving St. Pete with 3 of 4 in the "W" column we get the opposite.   

Frustrating game, though it was a pleasure to watch Ramirez' creativity, AJ's determination, the professionalism of Buehrle, and Thome's hustle play.  I think we have to sit Swisher, play BA, maybe try a healthy Uribe at 3rd - shake up the somnambulists that is the middle of our order.

And where is Q!?

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I changed your headline when I upgraded this to the front page WU

I don’t mind swearing, but didn’t want it in 24 pt font on the top of the site

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 1, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tampa Series

I am as frustrated as anyone else. However, I don’t know what they could do to just become an average hitting team. With pitching like this, it is a shame that Nick Swisher, Paul Konerko, Jim Thome, etc, can’t even hit .250 which is still considerably below their career averages.

by Alan Snipes on Jun 1, 2008 10:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I may be guilty of picking nits here

but .250 is almost Swish’s career avg prior to this year (.251 to be exact)

by jeeves on Jun 1, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My grasp at rationality...

It’s frustrating to see such excellent pitching wasted repeatedly, and to be honest after the end of today’s game I was very slightly tempted to post that the Sox should DFA Swisher and have Crede carry his bags. But, I then proceeded to play (and lose) a truly excellent pickup soccer game to a bunch of 5 year olds which helped restore my sense of proportionality.

The Sox basically have no options to improve their offense. They don’t have minor leaguers to trade with Fields hurt and they can’t bring up Fields (with him hurt). The Sox have to hope Swisher can turn himself around…I think Thome and Konerko are what they are at this—I don’t expect either to improve the rest of the year. What I would do is this:

1) Hit Swisher 2nd…I’m not a big believer in order juggling mysticism, but what the hell. Plus he ha shown OBP skills in the past, so it might work.

2) Play Ramirez instead of Uribe. I know I just agreed with Cheat that there’s little difference between the two, but Ramirez is actually hot right now. Play until he cools off and then play him a little longer to see if he gets hot again. His OBP will be bad, but still maybe better than Uribe and I’d rather see that than power.

3) Get Fields healthy and bring him up. Have him take at-bats from Thome against LHP and Crede as well.

That’s it. There’s not much else that can be done.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 1, 2008 10:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Swisher at 2 might not be a bad idea...

At the least, he’d see a lot of fastballs ahead of Quentin. If he can’t hit those, maybe it’s time for him to catch the next flight to Charlotte.

Will...I...be...able...to...play...softball...tomorrow?
Oh, no, Mr. Scioscia. At this time tomorrow, you'll barely be able to breathe.

by UribeAuction on Jun 1, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"and have Crede carry his bags."

Ill forget for a second the joke of DFA for Swish but in all seriousness why the Crede bashing? What am I missing? The only real thing wrong with Crede right now is his ridiculous stats vs LP but that can’t last. His power numbers were down in May but he still posted a .793 OPS.

by Tdogg on Jun 1, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His walk rate is well above his career line.

I’m optimistic that Joe can be an average 3b offensively
and, probably, an above average defensive 3b.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 1, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crede already has 11 errors on the season...

and many of them on routine throws to first base. I don’t see any way that Crede can be considered an “above average defensive 3B” by the end of the year, unless he doesn’t commit another error until the end of the season.

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because errors or lack of them are telling stats right?

Not range or anything. Crede has 6 win shares this season. Tied for 2nd for AL 3rd baseman. 1.1 of it from fielding. 3rd best in the league.

The Sox have other problems. Crede is not 1 of them.

by Tdogg on Jun 2, 2008 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For every error he's made,

he’s made 1 1/2 – 2 spectacular stops that few if any other 3B makes.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really hate stats huh?

OPS April .847
OPS May .793
OPS last healthy year 06’ .829

OPS this year .822

The Sox have played the least home games in MLB

Yep you are right on track.

by Tdogg on Jun 2, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Crede is down to an .800 OPS right now...

He could be at .755 in a couple weeks. His OPS has definitely been falling, has it not?

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What part of .822 don't you understand?

Falling from his torrid start? Of course. But pretty steady dude. And he hasn’t even hit in the Cell summer months or left handers yet.

by Tdogg on Jun 2, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats my point

His line vs LP this year. .103/.186/.128.

I think its fair to think that will improve. What is your malfunction regarding Crede? I mean really. With all the things to possibly rail on why the pesistence with this? Crede is not the issue for this team.

by Tdogg on Jun 2, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is your malfunction

Ha, that just made me think of Full Metal Jacket

by jeeves on Jun 2, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no malfunction regarding Crede...

I like the way he has hit thus far but I just know that he will soon be back to his career averages. 2006 was a fluke.

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you could at least account for his improved walk rate

and if you think that his throwing errors aren’t going away, then why is he going to revert wrt his hitting? are not both matters of track record vs. short term trend? you haven’t resolved this well at all.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 2, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said that about Crede's defense...

What I meant was that all of these early errors are likely going to keep him from being an “above average defender” at 3B on the season. He could be great from now until the end of the season but the early terrible defense is going to hurt his defense on the season.

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was it not clear i was referring to here on out?

sorry.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 3, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crede’s not the problem. He has very good lateral quickness. I am surprised by the amount of throwing errors tho. Considering he’s coming off back surgery, I’m happy with his progress so far.

by SoxfaninAZ on Jun 2, 2008 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said it was irrational

Seeing both Swisher and Crede fail late in the game made me feel a little antagonistic towards them. I obviously don’t want either guy DFA’d—it wasn’t a serious suggestion, just an expression of frustration.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 2, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DFA swisher?

Are you crazy? He’s sucking, but my god, he’ll turn it around at some point.

by madvillian on Jun 1, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Josephine

I didn’t mean the Sox should really do it—later I said they should bat him 2nd. I was just describing how frustrating that K was to watch.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 2, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hear ya.

Obviously, the draft pick stuff is a big consideration. I’m not saying it has even a snowball’s chance in hell….but I CAN understand the idea crossing someone’s mind given what’s going on .

by dantesox on Jun 2, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Prediction

The Sox win Tuesday night and play well and Guillen and KW will forget how crappy this team is at hitting.

by striker on Jun 1, 2008 11:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about

Floyd fiiiiinally finished off a no-hitter so everyone gets sidetracked by that and conveniently forget about the offense.

by jeeves on Jun 1, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This sounds a lot like getting caught up in the micro-focus of a single game

On the other hand, why is the Mendoza line exerting gravity proportional to our expectations for our best hitters? For veterans who’ve long established their hitting acumen, it’s just bizarre.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 1, 2008 11:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice recap, WU

Sounds like you had a good time talking with the old man. Too bad you couldn’t bring home a winner, ugly.

This team is very frustrating to keep track of, but I agree with the consensus, pretty much the only option is to stick with the players they’ve got and hope it works out. Sheesh.

Even if it is just shuffling deck chairs, can we bring back the “Fire Greg Walker” campaign? Maybe these guys would respond to new blood, but it’s really more for my shits and giggles.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Jun 2, 2008 12:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

Regardless of whether or not it will affect the offense (it probably will have no affect), Walker should be shit-canned. For no other reason that it will show that the White Sox organization actually gives a crap about production in one’s job performance. It took how long for the Sox to do anything about their crappy minor league development staff? The fact that Greg Walker still has a job is getting embarrassing.

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think he matters much

But Id like to see Walker canned also.

by Tdogg on Jun 2, 2008 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, if they all really like the guy, give him a job in PR or something

and give the players an alternative. Can we bring in Hrniak as a “special adviser” ? Whatever it takes to constitute real change, I don’t care what the formal proceedings look like.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 2, 2008 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need somebody in Latin America and the DR.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hriniak

wikipedia says he has opened his own hiktting school

I assume he prefers it there…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 2, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great story and recap, WU.

I may have seen you on the tubes yesterday. Was your Dad sitting to your right, both of you wearing Sox jerseys and hats? He with sun glasses around his neck?

Anyway, despite the outcome, I’m glad you had a good time with the old man/men.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 2, 2008 7:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks re: compliment.

Nope – he was sitting to my left. Those guys were probably 2 rows below us.We were 20 rows up from the field, to the left of the Sox dugout. I was with 2 old tall grey panthers. Like yourself.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 2, 2008 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sox want Brett Wallace?

Link:

But the AL scouting director said he wouldn’t be surprised if the Sox take Arizona State’s Brett Wallace, a left-handed-hitting infielder, if Beckham has already been selected.

Wallace, the 2007 Pac-10 Player of the Year, was batting .415 with 21 homers and 81 RBIs in 58 games. ASU coach Pat Murphy moved the 6-foot-1-inch, 245-pound Wallace from first to third base this season.

The scouting director believes Wallace could turn out to be a better hitter than Alonso or South Carolina first baseman Justin Smoak.

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 8:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What am I missing?

Obviously, we haven’t been hitting well. I don’t need Ozzie pointing it out, and I don’t need to come to SSS to figure that out either. Having said that:
1. The Sox are in first place.
2. Five teams in MLB (only two in the AL) are .500 or better on the road, and the Sox are one of them.
3. The Sox have played 22 home games and 34 road games to this point.
4. The Twins have played 31 home games and 25 road games.
5. The Indians have played 32 home games and 24 road games.
Heaven forbid, I’m actually going to feel pretty good about this team right now and enjoy them. The funny thing is that had the Sox won yesterday by a score of 4-3, everybody would be fine, Kenny and Ozzie would be hugging, sports radio would be singng their praises and we all might be appreciating how much better this team has played this year than most of us anticipated.

by palehose67 on Jun 2, 2008 8:08 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Clearly because everybody

Expected the Sox to be in first place and run away with the division before the season started. They have been a HUGE disappointment and have no hope for the future.

They have faced very weak pitching lately and should have pounded it.

Konerko, Thome and Swisher will never hit again.

We should all buy Cubs hats.

The funny thing is the great Hawk actually called this if they lost that game.

by Tdogg on Jun 2, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, sure, if we won I'd be happy

But we didn’t – and had every opportunity to do so. We were facing a pitcher who is not “hot” and just didn’t execute basic, fundamental strategy (get home the runner from 3rd with < 2 outs). We may have a played a lot of games on the road (and done very well) but we’ve had an easy schedule, too.

And, yeah, many of us did not expect this record at this point, including me. It seems a shame to waste good pitching and the fact that all the new guys/rookies/2nd year guys, without exception (well, maybe OC is the exception) have played beyond any reasonable expectation makes the “core” performance (aside from AJ/JD) more frustrating.

We’d win these in 2005, which points out how fortunate we were, and how little margin for error we had then (and now).

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 2, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The very statement

“if we’d won I’d be happy” is exactly what I’m talking about. I, by no means, am pointing at you, WU, but it’s the constant “what have you done for me in the last two hours” attitude in sports that is so silly. And, of course, it’s that same attitude that feeds sports radio and certain crazy sports columnists (not that we have any of those kind in Chicago). Especially in baseball, the season is such a long haul, that the big picture must always be the focus. And for two months now, this team has been pretty good.

by palehose67 on Jun 2, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the specifics on the Home / Road splits for the division.

Also Detroit has played 24 H and 32 R.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Detroit is very similar to Chicago.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

26 out of 32 actually...blah

excluding the cub series…upcoming opponenst win-loss record for this stretch is a collective 204 – 247.

Only the twins at 29-27 and oakland at 30-27 have winning records

the others:
kc 23-34
det 24-32 road
col 20-37
pit 26-30
la 27-29 road
cle 25-31

by The Scoper on Jun 2, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Final answer?

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing at all

But losing three close games in a row despite stellar pitching will bring on the negativity.

Overall, I like that the Sox hung with the Rays in the three games they lost. I’m glad the team is in first, but I fear that wasted opportunities will be a problem come season’s end, ie they will end up 3 games back of the eventual division winner despite >5 games they “should have” won.

Quite frankly, it’s maddening that they couldn’t pull it off in the two one-run games because of the multitude of opportunities. And honestly, I would have been happy with splitting the series.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Jun 2, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quote from Kenny

’’Very interesting, very disappointing,’’ Williams said. ’’It’s never a good idea to throw your boss under the bus, especially when that boss has had his back as much as I have. I guess that lineup will be real interesting to see on Tuesday.”

In other words, don’t expect any changes.

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by BoKnows on Jun 2, 2008 8:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Certainly not from Kenny

There isn’t much he can do. His hands are tied with restrictive contracts and underperformance. BTW, what is Fields status? I keep hearing/reading that he is hurt.

"Still waking up in the mornings with shaking hands"

by thekever on Jun 2, 2008 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was definitely hurt a few weeks ago...

But I think he is healthy again. (tendinitis in his right knee) The last game he played was on May 28th, so I’m not sure if something happened recently.

"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca

by BoKnows on Jun 2, 2008 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda young to have tendinitis in the knee

already.

If relatively healthy, though, I’d call him up, if only to shake it up a bit.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 2, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had tendinitis in my knees at age 14

so I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Rest, followed by stretching and strengthening could take care of the tendinitis, or at least it worked for me.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Jun 2, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh has tremendous personal faith

that will heal any injury in miraculous ways. Worked for Reggie White every single time. Except for the arrythmia.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Jun 2, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoo, hope I don't get one of those

Perhaps Reggie White’s tremendous personal faith could work for me as well? I’ve got a creak in my neck that could use some attending to ;)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Jun 2, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch.

Has enough time passed to joke about RW’s death?

Yes. We’re not Packer Backers, right?

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 2, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find KWs remarks funny

Seems like Oz has never said anything bad – even this (KWs thin skin showing again), about him. Oz is frustrated, he has to deal with the press every day, he has to answer for the lack of offense with players that are given to him… yet Williams then wines about being thrown under the bus.

by Brush Back on Jun 2, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny...

...actually made some good moves over the winter. Linebrink, Dotel, Q!, ARam. So so is OCab. Swish has been horrible. It’s tough to throw Kenny completely under the bus. Maybe a little shove.

"Still waking up in the mornings with shaking hands"

by thekever on Jun 2, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I took it as Kenny diffusing the situation

He deftly took the focus away from the players and made it into a critique about himself. I would be surprised if there was actually any tension between Guillen and Williams over this.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Jun 2, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With ya.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what's frustrating...

...if only Swish, Thome and PK were hitting a reasonable .250 we’d be winning these games w/ all those RISP. But now it’s like we’re driving with a flat tire. Happy to see BA not crap his pants at the plate yesterday and contribute. Thome looks old and slow. PK is hurting. Think we should stand pat for now and fatten up on KC.

by RoyEgan on Jun 2, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If your father had tits, he'd be your mother.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, were Ozzie's comment really harsh towards Williams?

I’ve read them several times and I don’t see it.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 9:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure Williams is laughing behind closed doors (re the remarks).

Let everyone think a mutiny is imminent.

If Guillen (and Williams) aren’t frustrated after the offensive performance in 4 of our last 5 losses, then something is rotten in the State of Denmark.

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The second rule of SnakePit is – you DO NOT talk about Carlos Quentin.

by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And is there anyone here who DIDN'T see Mary Otty's rant coming?

agree re
Williams/Ozzie. Just another Cow-chip.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 2, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

MARIOTTI - Talk about a vendetta.

“The Sox are in first place, too, but the mood is decidedly more negative thanks to You Know Who. “

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recent struggles and yesterday's frustrations

remind me of a kids’ book my niece used to read. Paraphrasing the title:

Ozzie and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 10:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

perspective

Are you aware that Carlos Quentin, Jermaine Dye and Joe Crede rank 3rd, 18th and 26th in the AL in OPS?

Crede leads AL 3b in OPS (Arod was hurt). Joe Crede’s .800 OPS is good for an OPS+ of 115. In ‘06 his OPS of .829 was good for an OPS+ of 107. We have 2 of the top 20, 3 of the top 30 and 5 of the top 40 hitters in the AL by OPS. Our .727 team OPS is 6th in the league. The point is that offense is really down in the AL. So far this is a different run scoring environment. We’re actually quite average on offense.

As far as “clutchness” or batting average with runners in scoring position. Yes, it’s incredibly frustraing to watch, but it happens. Either you don’t believe in clutch and this is just a random variation around a mean amount of “clutchness”, or you do believe in clutch and thus eventually “clutch” players like Joe and Paulie will come around. Either way you have to believe this poor team wide performance with RISP will soon abate.

Swisher has never had an OPS+ less than 100. He is not, at age 27, going to continue to post an OPS+ of 74. The lack of home games has already been described.

Plain and simple it’s a slump. They’ll come out of it and resume being an average offense. If the pitching holds up we’ll be fine.

by bhoov on Jun 2, 2008 11:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why on earth would anybody listen to reason?

If the pitching holds up and the offense does rebound to just avg (possible with home games and opponents this month). The team should be at least 10 games over .500 by the end of the month.

by Tdogg on Jun 2, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't jinx it Tdogg.

I wanna believe that, too.

by dantesox on Jun 2, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There ya go, bhoov,

being all logical and making sense. What’s wrong with you?

by palehose67 on Jun 2, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! That's what I always tell him!

Write your own material!

;-)

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 2, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last 14 days,

Swisher’s BABIP is .200 exacyly.

Watch out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exacyly!

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG DO A LITTLE RESEARCH NEXT TIME

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 2, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what you're taking about at all.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 2, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i do?

i’d like some evidence. i don’t remember making a point of it. the only person i make a point of responding to is matt, but that’s because i know him IRL. oh and beano too.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 3, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take a look at Aardmsa’s minor league and major league stats and then compare them to Masset’s. Masset is much worse than Aardsma and it’s not like Masset is much young than Aardsma. Do some research next time.
by SSH2005 on Jan 22, 2008 12:46 PM EST

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 2, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you think

about Steve Stone intimating the Sox trade O Cabrera, moving Alexei to short and inserting Uribe at second? He was on North’s show this morning….he doesn’t have any inside info and made that abundantly clear…..that’s something to consider…..unfortunately…1) it would be risky 2) to where and for what? Obviously, it would have to be offense….but making that work considering everything seems next to impossible.

by dantesox on Jun 2, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OC's looking much better since getting his grudge on with the scorekeeper,

both in the field and at the plate. What will we get for 2/3 season of a free-agent-to-be?

What’d we get for Gooch? Not much.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 2, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I mean.

It would have to be atrade like him for Sexson….where the other guy has salary and a similar amount of years left on the contract. And, no, I don’t want Sexson…..just a decent example.

by dantesox on Jun 2, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you going to get more than a

supplemental draft pick? I think not. OC stays. Alexei stays at 2B. Juan becomes utility player. Ozuna gets the boot.

by bhoov on Jun 2, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely agree, bhoov

though your overall assessment of our prospects, IMO, are a bit rosy. I have a hard time seeing the pitching holding up, and we have no one to replace the old guys. But I still like this year’s version better than 2007’s.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 2, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

what I said was IF our pitching holds up we’ll be fine. I didn’t say that it would hold up. I was pointing out that we shouldn’t let a stretch of poor hitting with RISP destroy our hopes.

In fact, I would be surprised if we finshed 2nd in the AL in ERA. Floyd in particular is going blow up at some point I think. And the bullpen is beggining to show that it’s not THIS good. I’d expect us to finish in the top 5 in ERA though, and that along with an average offense will be enough to at least keep us in the race deep into the summer.

by bhoov on Jun 2, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if the pitching 'holds up" (and we're doing much more than

holding up) or slides somewhere within the top 5 I think the other Central teams start getting it together at some point. Still look for .500-ish from us at best.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 2, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think our thoughts may be off

by 4 wins or so. I’m expecting 82-90 wins. It sounds like you’re expecting 78-86 wins or so. That seems reasonable as well. We shall see.

by bhoov on Jun 2, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't really make sense

if you want to improve the offense, getting uribe back in the lineup regularly doesn’t seem like the most sensible move. and then who would you get for cabrera and who would he replace? the best you might get is a platoon parter for thome, which doesn’t seem like much consolation for putting profundo back in the everyday starting nine and losing the draft picks cabrera will bring.

by Ryno on Jun 2, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that's silly

It would:

1) Weaken the offense which is the current bottleneck in Sox performance
2) Lose the Sox likely A-level compensation
3) And get the Sox very doubtful value—nothing the Sox could acquire would improve the offense.

A better idea is to play Alexei at 2B and hope he and Ocab stay hot

by hitlesswonder on Jun 2, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez is the starting 2B according to Gonzo...

Mark Gonzales wrote:

The only players who appear immune to major changes are A.J. Pierzynski, Jermaine Dye, Carlos Quentin, Cabrera and Alexei Ramirez, who appears to have seized the starting second base job from Juan Uribe.

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if ARam is hitting, his D is good enough and it makes Uribe what he actually is

defensive replacement extraordinaire.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 2, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks very reverse discriminatory to me.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

since very little can really be done

i’m terrified that ozzie’s dramatic shakeup will just involve playing ozuna more.

by Ryno on Jun 2, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe he's trying to get Kenny to re-sign

Rob Mackowiak and Darin Erstad.

How about Pods? A leadoff guy with, um, speed…sort of.

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 2, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

pods did go deep against the mighty cubs the other day.

by Ryno on Jun 2, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He said on a radio interview that

he is “finally feeling like 100%”

Although…I think I may have heard that line in the past.

And I don’t ever again want to watch a guy turn routine flies into an adventure like he did.

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 2, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone think it's funny that...

Erstad has been a productive player for the Astros because they are actually keeping him on the bench?

73 AB
.315 AVG
.333 OBP
.466 SLG
.799 OPS

Has Hawk even uttered the name Erstie ever since he fluffed his ass like crazy last season?

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I’ve thought of posting that a few times, but the less I think of last year, the better.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll look good

until he snaps an ankle, bruises a groin, etc.

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 2, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The chances of that happening are a lot less...

when he isn’t starting in CF for the Astros each and every day.

by SSH2005 on Jun 2, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie needs to look in the mirror

Sitting Q! when they have an off day today? When a split would have made everyone feel a whole lot better? That’s just idiotic.

Does he really expect Kenny to be on the phone today and have fresh talent on the field tomorrow night?

On the upside, they have 18 to play with KC! And, other than the 6 games with the Shlubs this month, things look pretty promising vs. KC, MN, Detroit, Pirates and Dodgers. If they can’t make up some ground in June, then they don’t have what it takes this year.

My thoughts for a “shake up” would be a pep talk by Chuck Norris, followed by an MME match between Chuck and Q!

If THAT doesn’t get the troops fired up, I don’t know what would.

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 2, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What do you know, the Royals on a tear - 2 in a row.

And their ace, Zack Greinke, starts off our homestand.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, just Thome, Swish and PK...and Juan, if he plays.

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 2, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

$2.

I’ll take the Sox.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Don’t break the bank!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 2, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you better save your Shenanaganzas for the kiddo.

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by ballyb on Jun 2, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whats a guy to do?

I think Ozzies little rant is a stroke of genius and a move that could pay off later in the season. The offense has been brutal, Ozzie aint lyin, but we’re still in first. After an offseason of playing it safe in free agency this rant puts enormous pressure on KW to add a solid player. If he doesnt make a move then the “Ozzie was right” sentiment, not to mention future rants of frustration will increase. KW cant wimp out especially with the heart of the order staring the Mendoza line right in the face… As a fan I like the so called outbursts, at least he cares enough to be upset.

I’m very impressed with A. Ramirez and expect him to be leading off soon. I think we need a center fielder. can Ramirez play center?

by No It All on Jun 2, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

speed + pop = spark plug

ehh not sold on this whole not enough walks concept. I’m with you as far as not wanting to diminish his aggressiveness tho.

by No It All on Jun 2, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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