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Alexei Ramirez: Player Spotlight

I had a brainstorm in the shower the other day--I do all my best thinking when I'm soapy and naked--Now that there is a solid user base here, with a reasonably wide-ranging set of opinions, I'm always going to be looking to harness the power of that knowledge base. We've done community projections and a fan satisfaction index--I'll run the next one on our next off-day--but now it's time to take on a new project, the Player Spotlight.

My intention for the Player Spotlight would be to build a community scouting report of sorts. Nobody knows the players better than the rabid fans, of which we are many. Collectively we should be able to come up with scouting report as accurate and in-depth as any scout can compile from a few viewings.

So with that in mind, I chose our most mysterious asset for the inaugural Player Spotlight, Alexei Ramirez. Using empirical, anecdotal and your own observed data try to articulately answer some (or all) of the following questions.

  • What is his approach at the plate?
  • Does he thrive on certain pitches? certain counts/situations? Why?
  • Is he vulnerable to certain pitches, and why?
  • What is he like on the basepaths?
  • How is his defense? His arm?

The intent of this exercise is to create both a proper macro-level scouting report--feel free to use the 20-80 scale and your best scout speak--but to catch the little things that may be going on with a player right now. (i.e. Konerko actively looking to got to right field.)

I've got one thing in mind that I've noticed about Alexei, but I haven't seen it mentioned yet in any of the gamethreads. I'll post my own observations sometime this afternoon.

If this proves successful, I'll schedule one of these for every weekday around mid-day, unless the Sox play a day game, in which case there will be none.

Star-divide

Update (The Wizard): Pitch F/X data  from Josh Kalk:

type Speed (MPH) Break x (inches) Break z (inches) Balls Strikes Called Strikes Swinging Foul/Foul tip In play outs Singles Doubles Triples Home Runs
Fastball 91.88 -2.04 9.84 35 8 10 46 27 11 4 0 0
Sinker 91.58 -6.04 6.48 8 2 2 9 7 0 1 0 0
Curveball 77.41 6.58 -5.88 13 5 2 0 3 0 0 0 1
Slider 82.84 2.51 1.66 34 13 13 20 11 5 1 0 1
Change 82.71 5.65 5.48 14 1 10 6 6 0 1 0 1
Cutter 88.52 -0.32 5.99 1 2 1 2 2 1 0 0 0
Splitter 88.82 2.61 6.14 3 2 0 0 5 2 0 0 0

All pitches:

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I'll take a stab at this...

About as simple as you can get:

* What is his approach at the plate?
Aggressive. Doesn’t take many pitches, but makes a lot of contact. Will foul off pitches out of the zone instead of taking them.
* Does he thrive on certain pitches? certain counts/situations? Why?
It seems like he thrives with two strikes. I don’t have the data to back me up, but it seems like when he gets two strikes on him, he’ll foul off a number of pitches before finding a hole somewhere for a base hit. Again, I don’t have the data (too lazy), but that’s just what it seems like. * Is he vulnerable to certain pitches, and why?
High fastballs, like most major league hitters. He’s started to hit breaking and offspeed pitches better lately, but if you get him down 1-2, the best pitch may be a letter-high fastball if you want to get him to strike out. * What is he like on the basepaths?
Fast, but doesn’t have the stolen base instinct of a Scott Podsednik or Carl Crawford yet. As somebody who was playing in Cuba a year ago, that’s understandable. That hopefully will come in time as he gets adjusted to pitchers’ pickoff moves. * How is his defense? His arm?
He occasionally makes the easy play look difficult and the difficult play look easy. Very flashy, but most importantly, very athletic. Remember, he was a SS in Cuba his whole time there. He’s picked up second base extremely quickly and should have no problem moving back to short next year if it’s in the cards for him. Either way, he’s by far the most athletic player on the team. He has a fairly strong arm that we don’t get to see much of at second.

Will...I...be...able...to...play...softball...tomorrow?
Oh, no, Mr. Scioscia. At this time tomorrow, you'll barely be able to breathe.

by UribeAuction on Jun 11, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

taking a quick look at some splits

the numbers definitely back up your impression of ramirez as aggressive, but not as a good two strike hitter.

well over half of ramirez’s hits (26/39) have come on the first or second pitch of an at-bat, 15 of them on the very first pitch. he’s hitting .517/.517/.759 on the first pitch. also, he’s only gotten to a 2-0 count three times, a 3-1 count once, and has never been in a 3-0 count. that’s a free swinger.

with two strikes, ramirez is 9-65, a .138 average. here are his numbers in each 2-strike count:
0-2: .154/.154/.154
1-2: .158/.158/.316
2-2: .000/.000/.000
3-2: .286/.500/.286

one weird anomaly: ramirez has thrived in 0-1 counts, going 8-17 with a double and a homer, but struggled in the seemingly more favorable 1-0 count, going 3-15, all singles.

by Ryno on Jun 11, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

small samples

Not sure what the P value of those would be, but it can’t be statistically sig I’d guess.

by madvillian on Jun 11, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

i doubt many of the observations for which this post asks would be statistically significant.

it's time to accept that we're powerless when it comes to the white sox and turn ourselves over to a higher power: KW

by larry on Jun 11, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

sample size

it’s small, but it’s the only sample we’ve got. and while i agree that these results don’t necessarily tell us anything about the future, they can certainly help confirm or refute anecdotal impressions about what we’ve seen so far.

by Ryno on Jun 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez definitely seems like a quick learner...

In his first few AB’s, he was swinging at every pitch. Now, it seems like he is taking more and more pitches and it obviously has something to do with his newfound success at the plate.

by SSH2005 on Jun 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Definitely a quick learner...

He’s raw but what I was thinking myself to the other day is he doesn’t seem to make the same mistakes twice. It may be small sample size (he just hasn’t had a chance to repeat the same mistakes), but while every once in a while you see Alexei commit a bone-headed mental mistake, its always a different one, and he seems to learn from the experience.

Both feet on the bandwagon.

by vince_ on Jun 11, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plate approach, even though the swing and results are not at all the same, he reminds me of AJ up there more then anyone else on this team.
He’ll swing at some awful pitches, but at the same time doesn’t strike out nearly as much as you think he would. Gets a piece of the ball more often then not, breaks a lot of bats, lots of bloopers mixed in with his solidly hit balls. Also goes back to what UribeAuction said about hitting with two strikes, just like AJ, he might go for it with a hitters count, but if he gets down to an 0-2 count, he’ll be up there battling all day making the pitcher work until he can drop one in over the infielders head.

Also good with the fundamentals like AJ, can bunt (and even slash), gets the runner over.

Every day you see improvement, to the point that it’s pretty ridiculous. Just seems like a natural ball player, no way else to put it really.

He’s in a new league, playing a new position for a first place team and he doesn’t seem the least bit fazed. I assume playing for Cuba has something to do with it, but I just can’t see this guy losing confidence in a slump.

For me, the biggest surprise on this team. Q was supposed to be good at one time until he got hurt, and now he’s playing like he was expected to when he was drafted, so it’s not as surprising. Alexei just gets it done, great athlete, quick learner, good attitude, can’t ask for much more. Can’t wait to see him at short stop the next three years.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Approach at the plate is very aggressive and will swing at pitches out of the zone. Has ability though to foul off bad pitches and avoid striking out. Will work the occasional walk using this method but is not a disciplined hitter by any means—will get himself behind in the count when he should be ahead.

Suprising power for such a skinny frame, he must generate good bat speed.

Excellent all-around athlete with a great arm and seems capable of playing 2B, SS and CF at an average or better level.

by madvillian on Jun 11, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

From Soxmachine
One thing about Ramirez defensively—watch him the next time you go to a game. He stands with his hands on his knees, flat-footed while the pitcher is going through his signs, and doesn’t ready himself any more while the pitch is being thrown. Everybody else on the diamond moves but him.

I scheduled this to post yesterday afternoon, so it’s funny that Jim had a scouting-type note about Alexei in his latest post.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

would be interesting to see a graph with just his hits/in play out to see if there is a pattern

and then maybe a second graph with swinging versus called strikes

hard to see with so many dots

by The Scoper on Jun 11, 2008 1:23 PM CDT reply actions  

click the link to use Kalks tool

Here’s a graph of his hits (though it’s obviously a little light on data)... It appears that Alexei would greatly benefit from better strike zone control, since he has only 3 hits on balls outside the the strikezone.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well he has started taking walks, maybe he has caught on to this too.

How much of that is when he has two strikes and he’s just fouling pitches off? It seems he like does that a lot.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 11, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Seems like he gets behind then fights to a full count, then will walk sometimes. But never seems like he’s ahead 2-0 or 3-1

by madvillian on Jun 11, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some of that data is available at BB-ref

I was gonna dive into it after I finished lunch, but here you go…

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/ramiral03.shtml

click the red link for pitch-data summary, then the glossary to understand the notation

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the pitch data
  • He’s been caught looking just once
  • His strike looking % is less than half that of the league average
  • Swings at 50% of first pitches, almost double the league average
  • Swung at 61% of pitches seen this season (45% is average)
  • Has seen 2 3-0 counts
  • Has seen only 8 2-0 counts, swinging half the time on 2-0.
  • Has seen 4 3-1 counts, swinging half the time.
  • Contact rate is good, average.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

When did Kalk post the 2008 tool?

Been waiting for that since…forever?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 11, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

me too

If nothing else comes out of this post, that was the revelation

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you have the major league averages for the charts like we used for the pitchers last year?

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 11, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danks wants to stay in Chicago...

Mark Gonzales wrote:

Mark Buehrle is in the second of two multiyear contracts with the Sox. And there’s a belief that switching agents could stabilize left-hander John Danks’ tenure in Chicago.

“I’m very comfortable here,” said Danks, who now is represented by Buehrle’s agent, Jeff Berry.

“I definitely love it here. I like management. I like the guys here. In a perfect world, you would spend a whole career here.”

Danks won’t be eligible for arbitration until after 2010, but the Sox have given some players security while buying out their arbitration years. Recent examples include Buehrle, Matt Thornton and since-departed Jon Garland.

“I really don’t know,” Danks said of exploring a multiyear deal. “That’s something for [general manager] Kenny Williams and guys to sit down and think about. That would make me very happy.”

by SSH2005 on Jun 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll take a shot, since I was on his bandwagon just about earlier than anyone

1. Approach at the plate: Aggressive – though more selective than when he first came up, looking as if he was concerned he’d be deported if he didn’t perform.

2. Thriving in certain counts/situatrions: The numbers don’t bear me out, but like last night, on a 3-2 count with 2 outs in the top of the ninth, he found a way to flick one into left field to keep it going – i.e. he seems to be “clutch”. Just feels that way. When I saw him in Tampa he dropped a bunt (which I’ve now seen twice) in a completely meaningful situation (he ain’t just showin’ off). He has a knack for doing the right thing at the plate. High fastballs are a problem, and when he is pounded inside it looks like he has problems (likes to extend those pipecleaners he calls arms).

3. Instincts on the bases and in the field: This is the area of which I am the least sure of myself in rating him. I don’t see many games – when I have seen him he might eff up a play, but as vince states above, he doesn’t seem to make the same mistake twice. He seems very sure of himself in the field (which is perhaps why he rests as Jim points out – maybe the pace of the game is a lot slower in the US as opposed to Cuba, when you might have to duck machine gun fire). I like his approach to the game, and he seems quite intelligent in his approach. Probably like Ozzie himself – more of an instinctual player. I wonder if he looks at tendencies via written material, or if he remembers it by experiencing it.

4. Defense: Very pleasantly surprised at how quickly he’s picked up 2B, since he looked lost in CF. Good range, great arm, not shy about hanging in on the pivot. Wowed me in Tampa with his spinning throw running away from the field on a popup – barehanded catch on the bounce – all in one move.

To me (perhaps I sound like JRE liking the singles hitters) this is the steal of the season. Any guy who I outweigh that is tearing it up in the infield is a lightning rod for my attention. If he shifts as easily to short we’re in for a good few years. Dis keed, he a baseball player.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

well, I don't know any blogs that have banned his name!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 11, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

My own little observation that I alluded to in the post

We’ve seen not-so-much a shorter swing from Alexei in the past week, but a more controlled swing. From my memory, he’s had only one of those falling on his ass swings that were so prevalent as he posted a sub-.200 OBP into May. Those swings were the main reason I wanted him sent back to AAA. I don’t know if it’s been coaching, or just an adjustment that Alexei’s made on his own, but he’s scaled back his swing a bit.

Which brings me to my real observation… He’s begun choking up on the bat a bit. He’s not David Eckstein or Placido Polanco in there, but he’s got some space (visible on TV) between his bottom hand and the knob of the bat. This may have something to do with the extended at-bats we’ve seen lately, and the astonishing K/BB ration over the last week (1:4).

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

hmmmm

you mean to say – someone is “coaching” his “batting”.

who?

by hugh on Jun 11, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

who? there can only be one explanation

Q!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 11, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barry Bonds has a new job

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

another totally anecdotal observation

but alexei seems much more prone than some of other hitters to shorten his swing as it gets later in the count. he still seems to use that big swing more (or exclusively) on the first or second pitch.

it's time to accept that we're powerless when it comes to the white sox and turn ourselves over to a higher power: KW

by larry on Jun 12, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Baseball smart - like Hawk says, the best baseball player on the team.

High praise, indeed.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 12, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone had to step up after erstie left

it's time to accept that we're powerless when it comes to the white sox and turn ourselves over to a higher power: KW

by larry on Jun 12, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs data

Missle ranks behind only Vlad and Miguel Olivo (among those with at least 140 PAs) in percentage of pitches swung at outside the zone

He has a surprisingly small variance between his contact rate on pitches in the zone (83.4%) and out of the zone (75.6%).

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Missile?

Et tu, Cheat? No Slash, no Cuban Necktie? I could’ve sworn it was only yesterday that you railed against the Sox marketing dept’s efforts/manipulations at nicknaming players.

(WU shuffles off to irrelevance.)

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Missle was Ozzie

I don’t feel dirty using it.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 11, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

A tool of the marketing department, he is.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

incorrigible.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 11, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a really great project, Cheat

very cool idea. can we end with a 7 skills/5 tools community vote a la Tango?

as for Alexei, I don’t feel qualified to say much because i’ve missed his hot streak almost entirely. I honestly didn’t think he had this in him having seen so many of those ugly ABs early in the season. The “fast learner” tag seems completely apt. I’d really like to see a pitches/pa graphed over time. Is he changing his approach or just adapting rapidly to major league pitching? Either way, it’s highly impressive. Hopefully whatever has gotten into Crede wrt his walk rate gets to Alexei, but it isnt nearly as necessary since he’s a future SS.

btw, how impressive is it that Kenny may have solved our issues up the middle with Beckham, Alexei and Swish? Add Q! to that and that’s a pretty nice future core.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 11, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Well said re: KW

If we go to the playoffs he’s gotta be Exec of the Year. Absolutely.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Fields

At worst a pretty solid 6 or 7 hitter as part of the core.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 11, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's important to remember

but I was trying to show how Kenny had problem solved regarding the concerns we were all moaning about about this time last year. So offseason and draft were the only players under consideration.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 11, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

PK gets night off; BA in center

OC, SS; AJ, C; Q, LF; Thome, DH; JD, RF; Crede, 3B; Swish, 1B; Alexi, 2B; BA, CF. Vazquez pitching.

it's time to accept that we're powerless when it comes to the white sox and turn ourselves over to a higher power: KW

by larry on Jun 11, 2008 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Is this due to the pitching matchup?

It just seems to me, if we’re gonna use our best defensive player, to put him out there on the night that our best strike out pitcher is pitching, seems like somewhat of a waste. I’d rather wait until Buehrle pitches, regardless of the match up.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 11, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Javy is the most extreme flyball pitcher we have

If it’s intentional, I’d say it’s actually pretty astute.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 11, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

ozzie apparently can never win with his lineups

it's time to accept that we're powerless when it comes to the white sox and turn ourselves over to a higher power: KW

by larry on Jun 11, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paulie's old

and they’ve not had a day off for a bit. Plus, Paulie’s off the greenies. (Ask Jayson Stark.) Swish might need to restat first, too, though he is now officially Chicago Tough (thanks, Wiz).

BA’s young, had many days off, and Comerica is large and vast. A gazelle vs. a puma. I’ll take the gazelle.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is this Jayson Stark nonsense you're throwing around WU?

fwiw, Paulie’s pitch f/x data looks pretty ok to me. He’s still mashing fastballs, handing breaking balls and struggling mightily with changeups.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 11, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

stark

reported that some people around baseball think the reason home teams are so dominant this year is because players aren’t using greenies anymore and are more tired on road trips. it was one of many theories which he mostly dismissed, chalking up the poor overall road records as anomalous.

by Ryno on Jun 11, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he listed it #1 on his "why are teams doing

lousy on the road?” piece before caving to “it’s a statistical anomaly” bullshit copout. If that’s the case, don’t tease.

Bastard Stark. I know he’s talking about Paulie.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amazingly

Has quickly transformed himself from a deer-in-the-headlights, overmatched rookie with a sweeping, clueless swing to a poised batter with a quick/compact swing that can protect the plate and hit with pop.

He must be worshiping at “The Church of Q!”

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 11, 2008 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I think this may have been mentioned by Dan Bernstein on The Score,

but since I am convinced I thought of it independently beforehand, I’ll mention it anyway: I get an Ivan Calderon vibe from the Slashy Missle. He looks alternatively hopeless and wonderful from one at bat to the next (and even one swing within an at bat to the next). He is alternately infuriatingly awful and almost incredibly good in the field. He seems to have a knack for being involved in weird plays, which almost always turn out to be good for the Sox. He is somewhat odd looking (obviously in a completely different way than Ivan). He seems kind of raw, but almost always makes good decisions. Overall (at least so far), he is a good (not great) player who is just a fun to watch and root for.

Obviously, this “analysis” is beyond anecdotal (not to mention completely unresponsive to Cheat’s lists of questions), but thought I’d bring it up FWIW.

by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 11, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

If Alexei Ramirez = Ivan Calderon offensively...

we should probably be happy with that sort of production from 2B.

.272 AVG / .333 OBP / .442 SLG / .775 OPS / 113 OPS+

Those are nice numbers from a second baseman.

by SSH2005 on Jun 11, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does that mean he will die an untimely death, too?

AEG, you are a cold mofo.

Cold.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're a hard man.

josh should be updating it daily.

it's time to accept that we're powerless when it comes to the white sox and turn ourselves over to a higher power: KW

by larry on Jun 11, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

damn straight

statdorks have high standards for everyone else.

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 11, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you know his excitement state?

You POS.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

larry's got his fingers on the electrons

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 11, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alexei

Is very good when batting with RISP.

by Rockraines on Jun 12, 2008 10:42 AM CDT reply actions  

alexei's swing
“He has that look like he’s on a mission,” Walker said. “But if you look at him physically, being thin like he is, you don’t realize how strong he is, how quick he is. But his mechanics, when they’re good, they’re really good. When they’re bad, they can get very bad.

“But the thing I’ve noticed about him since spring training is that he’s very smart. He knows how to make adjustments. The first few weeks of spring training he was trying to impress us and trying to do too much. His swing was timing-based and very long. But you still could see the physical ability was there.”

The Sox saw Ramirez start to tinker with his leg kick and his stride, and the improvement was noticeable toward the end of spring training. He convinced the Sox’s staff to keep him on the Opening Day roster even though this is his first year playing organized baseball in the U.S. after leaving Cuba.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-080611-alexei-ramirez-chicago-white-sox,1,5248550.story

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 12, 2008 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

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