Placating Youz Guys
by colintj on Jun 16, 2008 12:25 PM CDT
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PrintI don't have much to say about yesterday's game. It was disappointing to get beat by the Rockies' pen again, since, like I said, I don't really think much of it. But I might think of some other stuff to write in this space and I leave that option open. In any case, an open thread is probably a decent idea. Feel free to link dump and I'll get them up on the main post if they're worthwhile. **EDIT** I was too lazy to put up all of Wiz's links, but they all satisfy the worth requirement.
I do want to ask what you would place the Sox playoff odds at. Larry said 2/3 as a convenient ratio and having had a look at the Tigers' BP team audit (see BP Playoff Odds Update ) and considering Victor Martinez is done for 6-8 weeks, I like our chances. I'll say over/under 70%. Let's see some long winded well considered responses. And I still want to see someone convincingly photoshop a skinny Torpedo Boat.
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UPDATE (The Wizard): Is Konerko DL bound?
... As if the final score weren't bad enough, the health of Paul Konerko is worrisome. A trip to the disabled list may be coming after he missed Sunday's game with a strained muscle in his left rib cage. "When you've got the problem with the rib cage, I hope for the best, but I'm not too optimistic about it because I know how the thing can be," manager Ozzie Guillen said. "We're going to make a decision [Tuesday] to see what we'll do. "Most of the time [the DL] happens because that's a real sensitive area and one you use the most playing baseball."
Jim Thome missed three weeks with a similar injury last season. Konerko first felt the pain during pregame indoor batting practice. "I've never had anything happen like that," he said. "I don't have any answers. I took a swing and ended the day, and that's that. We'll see where it's at on Tuesday." ...
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Thanks, colin
And since I whined about a new thread, I may as well post. Didn’t see any of the games this weekend (something about family and work) but was disappointed in the series loss. The guys seem to be in need of a rest (Thomer’s back, Paule’s ribs/Q’s hands – where is Moises Alou to toughen up the piedras when you need him? – Dye, Crede, etc.). Today is a welcome day off.
If PIT isn’t the cure for what ails us, we’re in trouble. (bally, I KNEW I should’ve left well enough alone on my sig.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
yeah way to fix what wasn't broken WU
and if we lose the PIT series, I think I’ll officially get concerned. It’s just hard for me to be too disappointed when I, like you, took the under.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
it amazes me still.
i have never seen such grousing over a team that had very little expectations of making the playoffs but still sits with a 4.5 game lead less than a month from the all-star break.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said before...
Expectation increases when every other team in the division sucks.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
but that's not true
sucks and wounded are different.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
the Twins and Royals suck though
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
is it worse to...
have little playoff expectation and be 38-31 and ahead 4.5 games in the division on june 16 or have little playoff expectation and be 43-22 (7 games better) and ahead 5 games in the division on june 16?
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
no.
ssh feels worse because the other teams in the division are struggling. totally understandable. just wanted to know what other people thought. obviously, the 43-22 team only up 5 games was the 2005 white sox. i am torn, but in the end i think i agree with mm that b is worse because that ‘05 team was playing out of its mind, above pythag, and was still only 5 games up.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
for serious
how many of us predicted winning 85 games? zero? maybe WTGTD, but he’s insane and doesn’t count anyway.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
and i think there were a few who said that 85ish wins was certainly achievable for the sox, assuming certain things happened.
so far, they have. the expectation for this team has been raised but it probably shouldn’t be (at least not too high). this is not a great team by any means (using 90+ wins as a rough measure of “great/very good”). they are a pretty good team who has taken advantage of some fortuitious circumstances. right now, it looks like pretty good, or 87ish wins, will get it done in this division. still a long time to go and, of course, that’s why they play the games and don’t have a guy living in his step-mom’s basement playing the season on his computer.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
I think we (me included) didn't expect to be so good in the pitching dept.
if the pitching was average we would not be bitching so much about the O
but now with starting pitching being so good and the bullpen too, the situation changes
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
The worst thing will be if...
Ozzie sticks Ramirez in CF and Uribe at 2B with Konerko on the D.L. Brutal.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
why?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Because Uribe will be in the lineup.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
Uribe won't be playing more than
BA.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Mental health wise
The Sox do need to win the series. I too think with all the things happening in the division things are still looking very good for the team. Part of what ails the fanbase is watching the cubbies perform (which isnt a surprise.) It has been a very pleasant year for me so far.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Thinking about how much talent KW added to this team over the winter makes me feel pretty damn good
that plus Gordon and you have to like our long term prospects, regardless of the aging cornermen
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
speaking of gordon
Monday, June 16
Florida State vs. Miami, 2 p.m. (ESPN2)
Stanford vs. Georgia, 7 p.m. (ESPN2)Tuesday, June 17
Rice vs. LSU, 2 p.m. (ESPN2)
UNC vs. Fresno State, 7 p.m. (ESPN2)
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Not this part of the fan base
I could give a rat’s patoot as to what the Northerners are doing. Keep your eye on your own job/wife, and don’t covet you neighbor’s (right, SSH?). Heightened expectations fanned by over-the-top performance by the Sox (Tdogg/bhoov excepted) and woeful underperformance by our competitors leads to disappointment. I don’t mind when I know we are going to suck, and we do. I mind when I KNOW we are going to suck, and we don’t, and then I buy into it.
And THEN I get smacked in the teeth. THAT’S what I have experienced (except for 2005) just about my whole life. Which is why it’s better to set low expectations. KW’s moves have worked out very well, and it has been pleasantly surprising.
So follow through, GD it. Close!
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
I heard Konerko to DL, and Sox sign Lofton.
Though I haven’t seen the press release.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Heard where?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Either Soxtalk or Bleeding Cubby Blue.
Or maybe the 2nd game thread from yesterday.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
from someone other than SSH?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
I hope you are serious...
I would blow my load.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
just don't cross streams with Pete
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
My son is too busy giving me golden showers.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
Lucky kid
I’d bet you’d have some folks standing in line for that opportunity (only if you wearing a Cubs hat).
;0
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
If I wanted a golden shower...
I could just go spend some time in the bathrooms at The Urinal.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
honestly, though
and i realize i’ve been all for this one, but i’m not sure why these two moves would be connected, unless paulie is out for a long time. lofton hasn’t played baseball since october. even assuming he’s in shape right now, i don’t see how he can go right on the major league roster. the most aggressive timeline would be, what ten days down in charlotte? even that seems too quick.
at any rate, what i guess i’m getting at is that i wouldn’t call this a “sudden” move predicated by PK’s injury. it would pretty much have to be related to an assessment of someone else, whether that be BA, uribe, ozuna, so on.
obvious caveats w/r/t rumor.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Well, assuming Konerko is out for awhile...
and since Ozuna hardly ever plays anyways, maybe they would just DFA Ozuna once Konerko is healthy. That would be ideal.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
Bring up Fields, assign Lofton to Charlotte
then DFA Ozuna when Paulie’s ready
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Where did you hear this, Chiburb?
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
Rocco starting to melt
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
I am in the USSR (work)
and can’t get on a sports site. What’s the spread?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
shit, that mitochondrial stuff baldelli has sounds really, really bad.
melting? wizard of oz stuff.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
who ever thought a small amount of liquid would ever fall on meeeeee!
/futurama
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
TIger up by 3 thru 10
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i'm betting the sox take it on the back nine
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
LOL...
That last putt by Tiger was sick. Poor Rocco.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
Thanks
Did anyone really Mediate had a shot? A real shot? Today?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Nope.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
why not?
he played woods even over four rounds. tiger obviously would be favored. i guess it depends upon what you mean by “real” shot. 1 in 3 good enough?
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
well
i would have said little chance if this were a healthy/sharp woods. but he wasn’t. and it showed over the four prior days. which why they’re in a playoff and not at home with woods holding another trophy
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Fun as shit to watch
My wife woke me up at 4:45 AM to watch the replay on ESPN.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
fourth time might just be the charm, WU
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Tiger plays Rocco back in WU
Only up 1 now
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Sorry thru 12
But now Tiger putting for eagle and Rocco from Sand trap for Eagle on 13
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Both birdie 13
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
I'm going home to watch
Our tech is all effed up today anyway. Screw this.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
You watching now?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
What a ridiculous shot out of the bunker by Tiger there.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
Lofton
• Still aloft: We hear the White Sox recently made the most serious run yet at signing Kenny Lofton. But Lofton is still looking for a deal in the $2.5-to-$3-million neighborhood, which wasn’t what the White Sox had in mind. We take this as not just an indication of Lofton’s mind-set, but an indication of the White Sox’s shopping plans between now and the deadline. Barring injury, they figure to be mostly in the market for a left-handed-hitting complementary part—ideally one who can motor a little.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Lofton-s-asking-price-was-too-steep-for-White-So?urn=mlb,87987
All I can find now.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Pitch Times
White Soxhttp://fastballs.wordpress.com/2008/06/15/updates-and-pitch-times/
17.2 Mark Buehrle
20.5 John Danks
21.6 Gavin Floyd
22.8 Jose Contreras
22.9 Javier Vazquez20.3 Scott Linebrink
20.7 Matt Thornton
20.8 Nick Masset
21.4 Boone Logan
22.7 Octavio Dotel
23.9 Bobby Jenks
sorry if this has been posted before…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
THT's Dartboard divisional picture
AL CENTRALhttp://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/tht-dartboard-june-15-2008/White Sox – 93
Indians – 78
Tigers – 77
Twins – 71
Royals – 64
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
A TC column?
It’s time to start the “tip your cap” count, as Ozzie opted for the ol’ cliché after Saturday’s loss to Jorge De La Rosa, who came in with an ERA over 8 but left after five shutout innings of 1-hit ball.http://www.chitowndailynews.org/articles/show/14851Maybe there should be a column for cap tips (TC) next to wins (W), losses (L) and games back (GB) in the newspaper’s standings. The White Sox enter play tonight 38-31 with 12 cap tips, 4.5 games atop the AL Central.
I don’t want to hear anyone associated with the Sox, anyone who has ever worn a Sox hat or t-shirt, use the patented “tip your cap” line ever again.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
with some love for david cook too JRE
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I saw that he got promoted to AAA.
It’s probably nothing, but there’s not much to be interested in down there.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 16, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
david cook = 2007 jason bourgeois
the sox should take advantage of the magic.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Brutal.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
omg what a freaking shot on 15
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Sickening.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
that was a putt. sheeeeeeeit
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Bill Bavasi done got fired
http://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=907>And boy did he deserve it
Never like to see an incompetent relieved of his GM duties though.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
gah
why do you have to use quotes in the tag?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Bill Bavasi Fired
The Mariners fired Bill Bavasi today. According to the press release, “Vice President/Associate General Manager Lee Pelekoudas will take over as the interim General Manager.” Pelekoudas will be a candidate in the team’s permanent GM search.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/06/bill-bavasi-fir.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
and damn if my sales didn't go up 25 percent!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
damn golf getting in the way of my soaps!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Completely OT: any you guys going to pitchfork this year?
thinking Ryno or DI maybe? Mission of Burma are playing Vs. all the way through on Friday night
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Rocco is really feeling that putter right now
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
So. Close.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Tiger blowing it?
Sure looks like it…4 out of last 6 he bogeyed.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
nailed his drive on sixteen
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
you mean 17
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel like I would watch more sports if they were announced the way golf is
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
understated and often very existential
Not to mention informative
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
I dont care what happens from here on out
Rocco has impressed the hell out of me today.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Weir was the last to do this to Tiger right?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
All-Star voting update
Write in Quentin for ‘08 All-Star GameOutfielder needs your support to go the Midsummer Classic
A get-out-the-All-Star-vote campaign for Carlos Quentin, put on by the White Sox in the time-honored tradition of Chicago political campaigns, should be considered a qualified success.
On one front, the White Sox left fielder has more write-in support than any other player not listed on the official American League ballot, according to the latest round of on-line voting results released on Monday. Clearly, Quentin’s strong candidacy has been thrown in front of the fans on a consistent basis.
But that strong showing of support still has not been good enough to put Quentin in the top 15 among outfielders. ...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I voted my 25 times
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Tiger pars, Rocco with a short putt for his own par...
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Comes down to 18
and Tiger needs to gain a stroke.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Going to 18...
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
What is the sudden death policy for ties here?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
I have no idea...surprised they haven't mentioned it yet
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Tiger limping real bad
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 16, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if its Hole 1
Tiger may be in trouble regardless.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Limp Wang
According to foxsports.com, Yankees starter Chien-Ming Wang will miss at least six weeks after injuring his right foot while running the bases in Houston on Sunday. An examination Monday showed Wang partially tore a tendon and sprained his foot. He will be on crutches and wear a protective boot for the next six weeks.
http://blog.baseballdigestdaily.com/blog/_archives/2008/6/16/3747836.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
more good news for the Sox...
I really like Wang though. He’s got such a big sinker.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
They will probably go after Sabathia hard now.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
I doubt they have the 'spects for it
Montero is off limits and Betances isn’t enough on his own. Jackson is struggling too.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
will it require much?
I thought Johan would’ve net the twinkies much more…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Depends on how the Yanks want to make the playoffs
If I were them, no way I would do it. They’d need to sign CC and I think there’s going to be a ton of interest and competition.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
are we forgetting the a priori that the indians would effectively be conceding the season with such a move?
it’s june 16 and they’re six out. not gonna happen.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Hafner and Martinez and Westbrook are out for the critical stretch before the deadline
Losing 3 games in the race could happen in short order
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
sure, lots of things could happen
and gaining those 3 back could also happen in short order. barring a total collapse, the indians aren’t going to trade cc. we’re talking 10+ out with major injury concerns. this division is there for the taking. if they could make up 10+ games against the sox in 05, they can do the same this year. shapiro isn’t a dummy. if they’re going to let him go, those two picks are arguably better than what they’d get in trade at this point and they’d get to keep cc for a shot at the playoffs. total collapse would need to happen and the indians don’t particularly look like they’re going to collapse.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
the picks are what I'd hold out for unless the Yankees got desperate
I’m sure Shapiro was perfectly fine with taking the picks before the season started, so to get desperate now makes little sense. I don’t think the Yankees can make the kind of offer he couldn’t refuse and I don’t know why they would if they did.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
have the Tribe given up on signing CC for sure?
I think that sucks for the game
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
The Johan signing pretty much did that in...
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Eh, Twins decided they wanted Cuddyer and Morneau
is that the same?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
i'd bet the indians extend him before the season ends.
they certainly have the money to do it. the question is whether they want to commit it to cc. i’d say they probably should.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
me too...I was under the assumption they would make a very competitive bid anyway
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Nope not going to happen.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
You casually throw out
They have the money to do it. They do and they don’t. Signing CC would take pretty much all of their budgeted money (and they do want to upgrade their offense. They feel like their depth in starting pitching allows them to take the hit. Mark S has pretty much said they won’t be commiting those type of dollars for 6 years (so CC would have to concede that to stay). CC likes Cleveland but has said he would welcome the challenge of a big stage (city). Bloggers like Jay who certainly follow the Indians intently seems to believe the same.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
link to their budget?
and nothing i “throw out” is casual. rhetoric is rhetoric. i recall this time last year when another left-hander wasn’t going to concede this and another al central team wasn’t going to do that. if it gets to september and they haven’t extended him, i’ll probably swing the pendulum towards him being let go.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
I never said Mark wouldnt resign with the White Sox.
Regardless the White Sox budget and Clev are vastly different. You can certainly believe what you want.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
The reference to ballpark budget was pretty close to what Shapiro
said an interview on XM after signing Carmona to his extension and being questioned on CC. He didnt rule it out but he pointed to Santana’s contract and the difficult decision it would be in committing maybe a 1/4 of the payroll to 1 player. Didnt mention actually numbers. He put a lot back on CC and would he be willing to concede somethings. A successful season would probably enhance the chances and coffer.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
fighting the straw man? i never said anything about your opinion on MB's chances of re-signing.
and vastly different you say? operating revenue of $193M v. $181M. operating income $30.6M v $29.2M. oh, the chasm. rhetoric is rhetoric is rhetoric. the indians have spent in the past, tdogg. how soon we forget, eh.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Sure they have Lar
But they have been crying a different tune for a little while now. Besides Im not sure you could even convince yourself that Mark S would even believe it was good baseball sense to sign a pitcher to that type of contract. Again that Santana comparsion and the money he got but a serious dent in the probablity.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
My budget reference was to payrolls and expected decline or increase
I didnt realize you were refering to income.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
because those two are not connected in any way, right?
come on tdogg.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
I didnt realize the incomes were so similar
But you still have to spend it.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
true
and i think they’re going to spend it. the point, which you and i have both made, is whether they’ll spend some of it on cc. i personally think that question turns on things outside, so to speak, those directly related to cc. like whether they can improve themselves offensively via the trade route (the rumors regarding the pirates have been out there and probably carry more weight at this point than the cc to the yankees rumors). and who will be available in free agency. if guys like dunn and texeira are traded to teams that extend them (or are otherwise extended), the main offensive upgrades on the FA market are gone. you then have to wonder if trading some of your young pitching for offense (or something similar to that route) and re-signing cc isn’t a smarter course of action than letting him go.
i don’t by any means think it’s a slam dunk. 60/40 maybe with a whole lot of moving parts.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
that left-hander agreed to a 4-year deal
do you think cc will do it too? or will they give him 5-6 years?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
they'd probably have to go five if they wanted to get anything done
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
But Im certainly willing to go double or nothing on him signing there Lar.......
You are playing with house money.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Damn how fucking good is Tiger
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
wow, what a strike!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Effectively tied at this point
Rocco is going to have to putt his ass off to get this one
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Not the best putt from either
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please let rocco make this
I’d hate to see him lose like that
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There you go.
No steenking Scott Hoch there. Nice.
For the old guys.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
so what hole will they play now?
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7 he said, then 8th
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Just the day before Monday.
Kids gone and all.
2 days off not enough.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
pretty sure I heard
“OLD GUYS RULE” from the gallery
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Rocco is really going to have to shot make now
The swing on that drive looked really odd to me…but I don’t know shit about golf
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Making up two strokes on consecutive holes...
That’s Tiger for you.
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Playoff was one for the ages.
Pitching, defense, health.
Re playoff odds.
Larry and Colin must be doing some extreme drugs to say 2/3 and 70%.
Konerko down, probably no big deal in the short term. Thome not improving much. Crede very hot and cold. Contreras hasn’t looked great lately. Oh, and let’s not forget the slump Q! is in. Maybe he’ll struggle mightily in his 1st post- “big time success” slump, maybe not.
3 teams are within 6 games of us with 93 games remaining, that’s right 93 games.
IMO, 50 / 50 at best.
Pitching, defense, health.
wow. extreme drugs to say there's a roughly 13% greater chance than you think, huh
hyperbole at its best.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
since this isn't an exact science
there’s nothing wrong with having differing opinions and differing ways to come up with the sox’ chances. but before we start bringing out the “your an idiot” and “what r you on crak?” invectives perhaps you may want to consider that, i don’t know, the people who have a differing opinion than you have, gosh – here’s a shot in the dark – some basis for what they’re saying? like, just for instance, the fact that teams this century that lead their divisions at this stage in the season have enjoyed a better than 2 in 3 chance of making the playoffs. i’m sure you know i could go on. suffice to say, i think my opinion (and your opinion, as well) is eminently reasonable.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Excelent point
I do think people sometimes forget the basic math or just plain ole history apsect of it. Thinking like that puts % in its proper context.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Invectives?
“Mr. Thin Skin.”
You can dish it out though, Larry.
BTW, 2/3 = .66666666666666. ~~ .67
.67 – .5 = .17 ; )
Pitching, defense, health.
i know a putz when i read them
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
So you think its a 50/50 chance that
“x” team over takes the Sox and wins the division?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Not at all.
That’s not the ?. They’re saying (maybe joined by you) that
PlayoffProb (Indians) + PlayoffProb (Twins) + PlayoffProb (Tigers) +
PlayoffProb (Royals) < 50% + Prob of the AL wildcard coming from Central Division.
I disagree.
Pitching, defense, health.
The Indians need more bats and the Tigers need more arms
Neither has what they need in the system and neither is particularly capable of buying at the deadline. What reason is there to see them play the second half better?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
I mean from your own sig, the Sox have the three things in question.
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you're fucking batshit crazy, colin
this reminds me of that debate madvillain had with tdogg over crede’s OPS for the year. .740? sure. .785? you’d have to be motherfucking out of your ever-loving mind to think he could do that.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
and fwiw, the twins and royals chances are basically zero.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
You guys and you opinions of the Twins
make me laugh.
They win, thats all I know.
Pitching, defense, health.
and all i know is the sox win.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
whatever, hawk. they don't win nearly as often as the cubs.
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Since playoff system began
Twins qualified 8 times.
Sox qualified 4 times.
Since 2000
Twins qualified 4 times.
Sox qualified 2 times.
Pitching, defense, health.
did they ever make the playoffs when they gave up
more runs than they scored?
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No,
but the Padres did in 2005 and the Diamondbacks did last year.
Pitching, defense, health.
exception or rule?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Like last year when they had the same team more or less but with Johann Santana?
they weren’t building to win this year and they know it and we should know it.
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Yeah I guess I am then.
I would gather close to 2/3 of the teams up 4.5 games thru 93 games win the division or make the playoffs. The wildcard number being so low is only a function of the division playing so bad. If the Sox and say the Indians or Tigers were battling at the end for 88-89 wins their WC percentage would be pretty high. Hell 88-89 wins might win the Wildcard this year with the toughness of the East.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Cant help there. Im just guessing.
Anybody have subscription to B-ref and is that something you can run?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Honestly,
I’d like to peruse these After X games, a team up Y games makes the playoff Z% of the time.
Are those stats available?
Pitching, defense, health.
just look at the historical standings
for this date and then the end of that season. it’s all there.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
maybe your secretary could do that for us.
Pitching, defense, health.
duplication of effort is a waste of resources
i already did it myself which is why i referenced it in the original post above. if you don’t believe me, my policy is let the person do it themselves.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Rough Calcs
For just the last 6 years listed on ESPN. 11 teams have led a division by 3.5 games on this date.
10 made the playoffs.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
The thing that jumps out at you
And probably is the same moving further in history, is its not likely a team leads by 4 games or more by this date.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i used 4.5+ game leads or more...
and got 9 for 11 since ‘02.
in addition, since and including the 2002 season, 2/3 (24 of 36) of teams leading the standings on june 16 have gone on to win their division, irrespective of division lead at the time.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Back to Larry's point
Its not exactly rocket science to be saying the White Sox have about a 2/3 chance right now of making the playoffs.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Guess that's why I'm not a rocket scientist.
Pitching, defense, health.
Thanks.
Impressive.
I guess it’s climbing the wall of worry.
Pitching, defense, health.
Your a Sox fan
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Hey, that I can understand
I pegged their chances at 70% and I haven’t even committed a foot to the bandwagon yet. Following Michigan football and the White Sox is to expect heart break. I just need to say to myself:
1997200519972005199720051997200519972005199720051997200519972005…
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
the 7 and the ellipsis got cut off for whatever reason.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
i'm guessing that...
...you don’t get to see nearly as many cleveland, detroit, minnesota, or kansas city games as you do white sox game (i hardly get to watch many white sox games, let amoneal central teams at all post-move). if that’s true, you see the occasional sox suckitude and worry. it’s natural. but at the same time, you’re missing out on seeing all of the other al central suckitude when they aren’t playing the sox, too.
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Another good point.
I have probably watched more Indian, Tiger and Twins games than ever before. When the Sox got off to a good start I instantly and stupidly began to scoreboard watch and follow the competition. That was my main beef a couple of weeks ago and earlier this year. Watching the faults of other teams on a daily basis and comparing them to the Sox’s flaws provided me with a little more comfort.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
checking out the BP team audit pages did the same for me
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This weekend's bullshit of
errors,
missing cutoff men,
baserunning ridiculousness,
uncontested stolen bases
.
.
.
We don’t have a big margin of error and losing game after game IMO because of that crap really makes me pause re their chances.
Pitching, defense, health.
i don't think that's why we lost
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2 unearned runs on Sat. and we lost 2 - 0.
Sunday and the Detroit games had subtle nuances.
Pitching, defense, health.
Isn't that the hitters' fault?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
i would have thought watching the white sox play the AL central
and putting up the .650 or whatever against them would have been a fine enough substitute.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
small sample sizes...
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
watching a few games is a bigger sample?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
it was a joke.
regardless, i don’t think you’d have a very good gauge of the sox only watching them play al central teams, so why would you have a good gauge watching the other al central teams only playing the sox (a far fewer number per team)?
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If you were only judging them relative to each other, the former would be fine
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
this all started with the playoff likelihood issue.
in that case, you don’t judge the white sox relative only to other al central teams, especially not less than half the season in. i’m sure to win a division you typically have to perform well against your division opponents based on the sheer number of times you play them, but again, after 70 games, i don’t think it’s enough. i suppose you’re basing the tigers are coming on the fact that the sox are only 5-4 against them?
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I dn...Ive kinda lost what we're talking about exactly
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
yeah, i sort of lost why we're arguing about playoffs odds
this is one of those things where no one is going to end up “right” or be able to prove their method.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
interesting.
since ‘04, only two of the twelve american league teams have won a division did so with a losing record against any division within their own league.
both teams did so in '05 and met in the alcs. the won with the worse performance against a rival division won the world series. if we use the small sample size, sox currently 7-12 against the east (no red sox yet) and 6-6 against the west (no rangers yet). maybe lightning will strike again.Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
For that kind of disagreement, I would have liked to see more reasoning.
You essentially said “things are up in the air” and then pasted a number on there. History and prediction models put it higher. Hell, THT pegged us for 93 wins and the next best in the Central won 78(?). But really, check our record in the Central. We’ve demonstrated that we’re the best in head to head matchups so far. Halfway through the season, that means something significant.
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Sounds familiar
After seeing the White Sox get swept by a division rival that happens to be a better team, I think the Sox are done for this year. I don’t care what the standings say. It’s early and we don’t get to play the Royals, Twins and Giants all year. The Sox simply lack talent, and what little of it they have is just waiting to get hurt. Time for a sell-off, even though few of our players are worth anything. —Jeff Kay, Chicago
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/askthewriter/cs-080616-ask-mark-gonzales-chicago-white-sox,1,122094.story
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
lol
So they can cancel the remaining 15 games vs KC?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
if it's a white flag when you trade away key pieces down 3.5 games,
what in the hell is it when you make those types of moves up 4.5?
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
pre-emptive strike
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
they can cancel the rest of the season.
even if they make the playoffs, they don’t have a chance of winning a game… Let alone a series.
I believe that was statistically proven by a poster in yesterdays game thread.
They don’t have the offense to score a run against another playoff team. Or something like that.
Take it to the bank.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
And I thought I struggled with the team.
SSH is that you?
Pitching, defense, health.
Nady has MRI on injured left shoulder
Xavier Nady had an MRI exam on his left shoulder at Allegheny General Hospital on Monday, with the results revealing a Grade 1 acromioclavicular joint sprain. Encouragingly, however, the procedure showed no damage done to his rotator cuff or labrum.Consequently, the Pirates have determined not to put Nady on the disabled list. The Pittsburgh right fielder will join the club in Chicago on Tuesday for the team’s three-game set against the White Sox.
The club is expected to then decide within the next two to three days what it plans to do next.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080616&content_id=2941884&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Georgia's on right now
6pm ESPN2
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gametracker
http://ncaasports.cstv.com/gametracker/launch/gt_mbasebl.html?event=609908…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Beckham will be up in a few minutes
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Beckham up
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coming up
erin andrews
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Took two fastballs away, was late on a fastball he fouled off
then took a curve right there for strike 2. Change in the dirt pushed the count full and then Inman threw fastballs on which Beckham was late until he finally flied out to right.
No thoughts on his swing yet. Inman was working 92-94 with his heat.
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singles through the right side in the 4th...average over .400 again.
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Beckham up in a bit again...
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
single through/near shortstop
avg .402 now
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
He'll face this kid Young who can't break 88 and is junkballing his ass off
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Still don't know what I think of his swing
Ripped a single through the 5.5 hole on a curve. He’s 2-4 on the night and may get a 5th AB.
Fwiw, Jason Castro is the opposing catcher and he looks to be really good defensively and he’s got a HR today.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
iirc, people would have thrown an even bigger shitfit if the sox picked castro, right?
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Castro was a massive overdraft in most eyes.
I like Beckham; I haaaaaaate the Castro pick from what I know about him.
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It would have been a justifiable shitfit imo
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
He takes a big cut and I'd be surprised if he didn't have contact issues when he gets to the bigs
Not that I’m an expert, but I like the Khalil Greene offensive comp.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Mike Patrick sucks ass
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Oh, I was going to say I liked Beckham's arm
I’ve seen a couple nice throws over to first now. He’s got the arm for short imo.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Georgia takes the lead, Beckham scores the tying run
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
he's in it to win it, according to the video that ssh loved so much.
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Grindtastic
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Beckham probably not going to get another AB barring a Georgia 2 out rally in the bottom of the 8th or a blown save from fist rounder Josh Fields
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Er...first rounder.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
freud much?
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
kurkjian picks all-stars so far...
...three white sox position players and ZERO pitchers.
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3??
Other than Q, who deserves it?
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aj reserve and crede starting
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe's been pretty good, but ARod is ARod.
AJ has been rough behind the plate this year.
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just the messenger.
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I've always been in favor of killing. and I sure do hate messengers.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
sweet.
maybe that can be the new catchphrase: “the first thing we do, let’s kill all the messengers.” although i guess i’m dying either way.
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by Toonderstrook on Jun 16, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Man we've got a lot of killing to do now
1)Cubs fans
2)Messengers
3)Ourselves
I know the method for 3 is decided (off the Hancock aiming for tourists) but 1 and 2 are up for debate.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
By the way, I love listening to Orel do the color
He picks up on mechanical issues and he’s like Stoney with his pitch prediction.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Some speculation.....
I know rumors are swirling that PK is going to go on the D.L…....just looked at the Charlotte box and Fields was not in the lineup tonight…....probably just getting a night off or hurt…
not sure that helps
considering charlotte is awful with keeping their roster up to date. carrasco has been pitching for a couple weeks now and yet is still listed on the DL. liefer has been retired for over three weeks and is still on the active roster.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
don't know if anyone pointed this out above
but I’m not really worried about making the playoffs this year. I think that we have a good enough team to win our division. What worries me about our team is that our old guys (thome konerko and uribe in particular) are going to keep us from competing for a championship. We need more speed and on base percentage players to compliment our pitching.
kenny didn’t put this team together to try and just get to the playoffs after all.
I'll tell you what concerns me
Their rushing defense. Can’t get deep into the playoffs if you can’t stop the run.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jun 16, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm with you colin
orel is great when he does the commentary…he gives great insight on all the pitchers and is interesting to listen to even when he’s going with mike patrick who referred to the yount kid from stanford as robin yount a few times
Ugh...Marcus Thames' last seven hits our homers....
2 tonight off of Lincecum….Tigers up 3-1 heading to the bottom of the 4th…..like the Jeffersons—they are movin’ on up.
He's a nice little piece...
But that’s not going to continue.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Still doing the great predictions huh?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
you're my hero stanch
only you could be so bold
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