Will The Real White Sox Offense Please Stand Up?
by The Cheat on Jun 18, 2008 12:18 AM CDT
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Print| Dates | Runs/Game |
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| 4/28-5/17 | 3.71 |
| 5/18 | 13 |
| 5/20-6/1 | 3.15 |
| 6/3-6/9 | 8.71 |
| 6/10-6/15 | 2 |
| 6/17 | 16 |
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Can we get that physicist from LOST?
Do some crazy time experiments so the Sox are constantly thinking they are hitting against Ian Snell.
I call it the 'Uribe offense'
Hot and cold, but mostly cold.
Although I seem to remember the offense scoring a lot the 1st two weeks of the season, maybe that should be a separate time period.
Both feet on the bandwagon.
all i know
is me and my brother drank 16 shots of jaegermiester in hte bullpen bar, and eventually the sox caught up.
(combined, not indiviidually)
6 pregame, 4 when the first fireworks went off, 4 in the 5thish, 2 in hte top of 7, bang.
so the AAAA journeyman starts over Anderson, yet B.A. is his defensive replacement/pinch hitter later?
why not start B.A.?
did Wise’s old man play pigskin with Kenny Sr. or what?
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
Is Jerry Owens
officially banned from the 40 man roster? This is the 2nd time Wise has been called up. Are they boycotting Owens to ensure a Roster controversy doesn’t begin? I’m not saying I’m a proponent of him, but at least give the guy a chance over Wise.
because he showed last year,
when he sported a fine .636 OPS (67 OPS+) as a 26-year old that he can really handle big league pitching.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
except he's on the 40 man roster?
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
you again with the details.
clearly, pauliek is so distraught over the missing jerry owens that he mixed up the 40 and 25 man rosters.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I Am More Perplexed Than Distraught
And yes I meant 25. I just feel like he isn’t being given a chance, although I wouldn’t say I’m “missing” him. I think he could be playing just AS GOOD if not a little BETTER than B.A. has performed so far this season.
look at his numbers in AAA
and your confusion should end.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
#'s In AAA Is What We Go By Now?
If that’s the case, look @ Wise’s steady decline from an AVG. of .340+ to down to .319?
wasn't he still ops-ing something in the upper .900s in charlotte?
what about jo?
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
tell me what you go by in assessing whether someone should be called up.
your faith that owens can play baseball well right now? he’s doing a poor job of stealing bases. he’s not hitting. he’s not getting on base. outside of blind optimism, why should the white sox expect a better performance at a higher level?
wise, despite that oh so horrible slide you refer to, was still outperforming your boy for the month of june – and with jerry having a ridiculously unstastainable BABIP propping up his numbers.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
I'd Go By
If Wise instills confidence that he can play at or better than B.A.’s level. I honestly believe Jerry Owens CAN play better than B.A. has to this point. I also think SB’s and CS’s are a crapshoot and there’s no real way to assess that just by looking at the #’s.
Not even getting a chance is what’s bothering me. Wise didn’t have a hit until last night when it seemed everyone was getting a hit except for Q. I just don’t understand his 2nd chance at it when Owens didn’t even get a 1st chance.
i'm confused
the guy called up to be a stopgap should be better than the guy who has been on the roster all season?
it’s nice that you have confidence in jerry. since the white sox have way more information than you or i – and you apparently don’t think numbers tell the whole story (with which i certainly agree) – it might be a time to defer to them.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
We'll Never Know
Because as stated in the beginning, J.O. is banned from the TWENTY-FIVE man roster of ‘08.
Okay this is getting silly
Never know what? BA is a 4th Of on this team and his defensive abilities make him more valuable than Owens ability to steal a base. Owens has zero power. I think he’s a great guy but the team is fine without him….
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Wait have you been listening to Scoper and the manufacturing runs
stuff….....
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
he can't even steal bases
he’s completely useless. no defense. no offense. no basestealing. what the hell would we put him on the MLB club for? zero sense. none. not even a little bit.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Here is what you need to know:
he sucks. le end.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
are you fucking serious?
batting average? enter the 21st century, son.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
he was injured yesterday
he could have been called up just like paulie wanted.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
they are readily available to you
so don’t bitch.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Not In Enough Time
To get back to larry typing up 10+ replies. Seems like someone has a lot of time on their hands…
The classic "I DONT SPEND AS MUCH TIME ON THE INTERNET AS U OMG"
amazing.
you have all the time in the world to check out the assorted sites we are constantly citing. first inning, baseball-reference, fan graphs, THT, josh kalk, etc etc etc etc
those are all free and all can tell you that jerry owens is not a major league baseball player. please just stop.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Watch the invectives, Larry.
Pitching, defense, health.
wow.
that’s huge. jo had one more hit over 40 at-bats than wise did. i take it all back.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
i know what you mean.
i feel the same way about the adam russell/mike macdougal/ehren wassermann situation. why aren’t macdougal or wassermann getting second chances? why why why??!?
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
because buddy was really impressed with russells' cajun chicken pasta.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
mmm...beer.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
was it very spicy?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
buddy says it wasn't that spicy - it was just right
but the man has a high threshold. i thought macdougal’s sheep brain stew was good but buddy isn’t that adventurous.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Clearly the team needs to demote BA and put Owens on the team
I mean he does everything better than BA….....
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
but only a little better
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
All I know, is Colin is due major props
he called it pregame: if the Sox lay off Snell’s junk and sit fastball they should cream him.
Maybe Walker visited SSS last night?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Good advice against most pitchers
Especially when they keep trying to paint the outside edge. Snell refused to go inside.
"Still waking up in the mornings with shaking hands"
I was thinking Cheat deserved the props
He put up the chart – colin interpreted it.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
After I read that chart
I put Swish, Thome, and Q in my line-up. Scored major fantasy points last night. What’s the word on Gorzelanny?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 18, 2008 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Q was the only 0-fer starter.
Did his BB’s/RBI help?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Only his OBP
His BA is still spiraling downward. What’s going on with his thumb?
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
Hand has been hurt for 2+ weeks?
I read it was a PK-type hand thing. He needs a week off, I bet.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Gorzelanny has been absolutely terrible this season...
but he is a lefty. He went to Triton College in River Grove, Illinois.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
i was using the pitch f/x stuff
but i liked them charts
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Thome
With Konerko being out, any chance that Thome starts at 1B this week at the Cubs and Dodgers?
No
Agree with larry’s post a few days ago. Bad back + age + memory of Toby Hall’s 2007 ST = DH for life.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
i'd rather lose the production than lose Thome
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Can Dr. Herm help?
I believe they are suffering from MDHS, manic-depressive hitting syndrome.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
herm's a fat fuck
he can’t do anything.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
I always get a kick out of him being the All-Star Game selection
for the best trainer while he’s a tub of lard.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
what does his fatness have to do with anything?
He’s regarded as easily the best trainer in the game
Because he is an expert in keeping athletes in shape
yet he is a tub of goo.
Kind of like a doctor who is a chain smoker.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
i thought you were a parent...
aren’t you well-versed in “do as i say, not as i do?”
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Against Lefthanded pitching
the White Sox are futile; the Pirate announcers (Sox feed was not available through DirectTV last night) were talking with tonight’s starter Tom Gorzelanny (who grew up on the South Side and was a Sox fan) last night; Crede is 5 for 50 against LHP; all of Dye’s homers are against RHP; only Thome, oddly enough, is hitting LHP well. So, even though Gorzelanny sports a 6.65 ERA, I fear that Buerhle is in danger of what Jayson Stark calls another CUS (criminally unsupported start).
Any thoughts on why the Sox can’t hit LHP?
in a change of direction
i’m blaming orlando hudson.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
You mean the lack of Orlando Hudson?
Personally I’m torn between blaming two old standbys: either the lack of a True Leadoff Man or Nazis.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 18, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
no, just orlando hudson.
wherever he’d be and whatever he’d be doing, it’s his fault. fat fuck.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
I blame Ernie Hudson.
“I’ve only been with the team for a couple of weeks, but these slumps are real. Since I joined these men, I’ve seen shit hitting that’ll turn you white.”
by ReservoirDog on Jun 18, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I blame the equipment manager
He probably isn’t stocking enough left handed bats
Well we can probably start with their BABIP being 50 points lower.
Oh hell be honest, it’s Walker’s fault!
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i blame speculators,
the maple bats, and hugo chavez.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 18, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
So since the Sox are facing a lefty tonight...
Would you rather see Ramirez at 2B with Anderson in CF or Uribe at 2B with Ramirez in CF?
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
I want to see...
Adam Russell in the leadoff position, displaying that versatility we’ve been hearing so much about.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
give him time.
he just got called up. i say cleanup. we need someone who can drive in runs. and we know russell can do that.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Seems a shame to waste his game-changing-speed batting cleanup
Did you hear about the time he jumped over Joey Gathright jumping over a car?
by hitlesswonder on Jun 18, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm kinda with JRE
First of all, the guy often bunts for extra bases. And it only takes him two, maybe three strides to move 90 feet, which will help keep AJ out of double play situations.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jun 18, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
tiger out for rest of season; sox path to playoffs cleared
knee surgery.
http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/article/0,28136,1815681,00.html
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Just saw this on ESPN.
At least he won another major. Will be interesting to see who rises up out of the pack.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
He's no grinder
He should amputate and keep golfing, pussy.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 18, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
That really makes what he just did that more impressive.
Oh and the PECOTA odds went up 10% with this news.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i'm not impressed
he said he was taking drugs to mask the pain. he was probably so fucking high he had no idea what he was doing out there. a real grinder would have taken a shot of whiskey before each tee shot.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
i take it all back
“The report that Rocco Mediate heard grinding tells you just how serious the problem is/was.” and you know a guy named rocco knows a grinder.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=480
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
No doubt about Eldrick.
Pitching, defense, health.
Tom Gorzelanny...
Drafted: Selected by Chicago White Sox in 38th Round (1132nd overall) of 2000 amateur entry draft (June-Reg) ... Selected by Pittsburgh Pirates in 2nd Round (45th overall) of 2003 amateur entry draft (June-Reg)
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
ah, the old "manufacture runs" saw
because hitting home runs isn’t a way to manufacture runs. the runs just appear magically.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
"manufacture runs"
single, get the guy over to second, single him home or single to third and sac fly
as opposed to all or nothing home run.
what is the sox batting average with runners in scoring position? risp avg on non-hr hits?
The White Sox...
are actually doing very well with runners in scoring position – .286/.364/.464.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
but jer, he's talking about non-HR batting average
that .260, right in line with their season average, is just atrocious.
and this stuff isn’t hard to find.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?team=CHW&year=2008
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Right
Because when runners are on base, they swing for the fences and make more outs and score less runs. Or if they hit a double or single instead of denting the bleachers they would have better, longer rallies….
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
I was just going to ask you Scoper?
What does manufacture runs mean? Do tell. You want more singles?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
it would be an interesting stat...
to see what percentage of runs scored by the sox are from hr vs non-hr and how that compares to other teams and league averages
Don't know yet but probably high.
But what I do know is they have manage to hit the most HRs in AL and rank 6th in OBP.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i want more hits driven in that are not all or nothing hr swings
when the ball is not carrying well then the sox offense sucks
So more hits, for less homers to score more runs
Gotcha.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
so basically he's asking for the '27 yankees
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
sox are 26-15 in ballparks with hrpf greater than 1.000
13-16 in ballparks with hrpf less than 1.000
shocking
a team that plays in a home run friendly ballpark builds a team as such. what could the front office possibly be thinking?
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
and so they live and die by home run as previously stated
therefore causing streakiness
hopefully they are hot in september
so you want them to change that for what reason again?
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
its great when they are on a tear
but painful when their home run swings go for naught and they cant string together hits to score runs besides via the long ball
watching field of dreams a lot recently?
i can’t say i really care about the pain you – or anyone else – goes through. i like wins. but i guess that’s just me and tdogg.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
What the hell is wrong with you?
What better way to score a run then to knock it over the damn fence?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Something the team does quite well by the way.
Yes droughts are painful but come on man.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Well, that's not what he's saying.
I get it – it’s frustrating when there’s a runner on second and two outs, and the inning ends on a medium-deep fly ball because the batter is trying to hit it out of the park rather than just get any old hit.
But that’s the team that Ken Williams has assembled – Greg Walker or anyone else can’t do anything about that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
actually, he kind of did say that above.
you know, like, when he said he wanted the team to score more runs via the JRE favorite the single and not home runs? i’m not sure why he’d be advocating it if he didn’t think it was better.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
I just got...
that he was saying that the team shouldn’t try to hit home runs all the time, in every situation, like they do.
I don’t even really agree – what they’ve been doing has been working out so far pretty well – but I get it.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry, i read what people are writing
and don’t give them much credit for things they don’t write or contradict.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
i attribute the streakiness to their proficiency for hitting home runs
if you do not believe that is a factor to their up and down offense, then please grace us with your opinion on why the offense is so up and down?
that's probably right.
what difference does that make
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
no difference
but it resulted in a healthy long discussion
now here is to a hot hitting sox the rest of the way and a successful season
Because clearly we KNOW they are trying to hit homers
Nobody tries to go the other way. Get serious.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
My question would be...
what can the Sox do about it? The team is what it is, and those guys are too old to change the way they approach the game.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
the better question is
why should the sox do anything about it?
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
22-11 at home
hrfp above 1.0
They play, I dont know what 81 games there?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Mariners set to release Richie Sexson?
According to one person familiar with moves that are planned, Sexson will be let go, possibly within days. The timing is not set because the team is dealing with other personnel issues that go beyond the procedures for moving Sexson.
Rockies @ White Sox (6/14/2008):
Cy De La Rosa's line -- 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 SO
The White Sox "unlucky" offense dropped Cy De La Rosa's ERA from 8.13 to 6.89.
Delgado will be next
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 18, 2008 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
mets fans will be sooooo upset...
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey he's pounded LP this year
Sign him up!
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Scouts’ views of various players around the major leagues:
White Sox reliever Scott Linebrink: “I thought the White Sox were crazy for giving him that big contract [four years, $19 million as a free agent] but [GM] Kenny Williams is having the last laugh. [Linebrink’s] been ridden pretty hard over the years, and I really thought he was burning out last season, but he’s just one of those guys with a rubber arm.”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7681
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
"I thought the White Sox were crazy for giving him that big contract [four years, $19 million as a free agent"
I think that might be the nicest thing I read….Most of what was written did not give him the benefit of the doubt of just being out of his mind…...
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
well, i sort of have a problem with assessing a contract 2.5 months into it when it's for four seasons.
as i’ve said before, the money may well be worth it if the sox win a championship this year (or he contributes to some combination of playoff appearances or winning seasons), even if he dies halfway through the contract.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
If the Sox win a championship...
most of the moves that Ken Williams made will be justified.
But if they don’t, and Linebrink stinks in ‘09 and ‘10, that will still be a bad signing.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Gee that sounds like most signings.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
yup. searing insight from jre.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Pretty much my point.
If the Sox win a championship, anything is justified.
It’s way too early to make any kind of judgment on Linebrink.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris (Chicago): Will, nobody talks about White Sox Pitching Coach Don Cooper, but he has done a great job the past few years getting value out of certain guys. Where does he rate as a pitching coach?
Will Carroll: He’s had a couple good years, a couple bad years, so I don’t think we have a real handle on him. We don’t have a good handle on coaching. Mazzone and Peterson were by acclimation the two best pitching coaches in the game, but today they’re both unemployed. Simply put, we have almost no idea what effect coaches have. If I can rephrase your question for you and you asked “Would Don Cooper be on a list of pitching coaches you’d interview if you were hiring?” the answer would be yes. Not at the top, but on the list.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
I tell you no respect, no respect...
I ever tell you about our trainer… our trainer Herm. I said to him it hurts when I throw like this – he said don’t throw like that.
No respect I tell you…
You ever see our new util guy Juan… I tell you this guy, when he sits around the field, he really sits around the field. You know this guy…
He is so large, the team jogs around him for exercise.
He’s so large when he steps on the scale it says, “No live stock please.”
Seriously though, Juan isn’t fat, he’s just 4 feet too short.
Will says we have no real handle and then says Coop's had good and bad years?
I’m a little confused by the answer.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
I think its a swipe at last year's bullpen
Like if you give him credit for 05 and this season he gets some of the blame for 07 and part 06. Personally the overall health of Sox pitchers is hugh credit to him and the White Sox Org. He’s one of the better ones but as anything there has to be some talent in the house.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i suppose, but Will would do well to take into account the process
and the inherently small sample size of the bullpen. both Floyd and Danks have improved substantially and both have clearly been changed by Coop. starters, it seems, usually do well in their second year with Coop.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
2006 would be considered a bad year
Though Count and Freddy were hurt, but not enough to leave the rotation. Garland’s shoulder knot was around for about 10 starts… Oh and he “fixed” Javy that year too…
AIM: SouthSideCheat
2006 counts
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Someone probably already noted this in an earlier thread,
but over their current 2-5 run, the Sox have now actually outscored the opposition 30-29. Somewhat amusingly, one of the 2 wins is a 1-run win (over COL on the 13th).
I assume this is because everyone is fat.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 18, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
EVERYONE IS SO FAAAAAAAAAAAT
explodes
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
GET IN ME BELLY!
-Fat Bastard
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
So the Mariners fire sale has started?
I wonder if they are shopping Ichiro at all. He would look good leading off for the Sox.
Even if they would
What do the white sox have that would get them a guy like Ichiro? Fields, Poreda, Egbert is about all we got at the minor league level. Guess they can throw in a guy like Boone Logan from the majors, but still, we don’t have an Adam Jones sitting around.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 18, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No place for Ichiro.
We have DeWayne in CF and a hispanic, bat handler leading off.
Pitching, defense, health.
Im not so sure
that Ichiro would command a huge bounty considering his age and apparent OPS decline that has them moving him to LF to hopefully spark his bat. He would definately demand quality players, but I dont think top tier prospects are a must.
if we're considering his age and his apparent OPS decline
why exactly would a team want to take on the remaining $80M or so on his deal?
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Didn't know about the OPS decline
He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy whose numbers would dip just b/c the team is awful, so it’s probably legitimate. KW said money wasn’t a factor, and with Thome coming off the books the Sox have the cash if that was a problem. If Suzuki can’t play center though it’s pretty pointless.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 18, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprise not much mentioned on this about Hafner.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3450836
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
AL version of Prior?
‘Roids.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 18, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
or we could call on occam's razor
and use the easy answer of unathletic sluggers don’t age well and experience quick declines after age 30? but that wouldn’t have that level of scandal some seem to enjoy.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
hmm
Well, he didn’t get a full-time gig until he was 27, then he was a monster for 3-years and then fell down to mediocraty again. He is built like a linebacker…so not sure where you are getting unathletic from?
Difference between Paulie and Hafner is Paulie is a year older but has played in the majors for 5 years longer…he had more talent at a younger age.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 18, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
you're citing the classic age 27ish peak of a player
the indians simply made the mistake of not seeing him for what he was and handing him a really fucking dumb extension.
i’m using unathletic in the baseball sense (i.e., his tool is mash ball, run slowly around bases, and avoid the field at all costs). obviously he’s “athletic” if he’s playing major league ball.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
True
..not sure anyone saw his body failing him like it has – but you are right, dump extension. Same could be said about Paulie’s extension in 2005.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 18, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
at least konerko's extension
immediately followed a big season, including a postseason in which he owned the angels in the playoffs on the way the sox won a world series. and konerko’s deal had a LOT to do with perception by the fans of letting the face of the championship team walk.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
plus, he's going to get a statue in the JRE garden of great players at the cell.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Right alongside Julio Cruz.
and Zeka Bonura.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Er, that's...
Zeke Bonura.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
it's your garden. spell it however you want.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
Hafner is a bad body
and Paulie was a catcher and 3B coming up.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
You don't have to be all that athletic...
to play third base, and Konerko hasn’t donned the tools of ignorance since he was a teenager.
But yeah, as slow and unathletic as Konerko is, he does get around better than Hafner.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Athletic 3rd base???
Dont go there!!!!
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
I believe that is the first postitive nod to Paulie
you’ve made, JRE. He doesn’t suck as much as Pronk. It’s a start.
Now, how do you feel about Orlando Hudson? Or Orlando Florida? Or Ernie Hudson?
Anything to get away from the bickering. Jeez, we won last night…
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
it was only by 11 runs, though, you POS. ;-)
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The Hafner signing...
was worse than the Konerko signing, yes.
If I’m going to give an eight-figure contract to a first base/DH type, he’d better be a future Hall-of-Famer. Otherwise, I’m going bargain shopping.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Jer, if you had 8 figures with which to go shopping
we’d never hear from you again. Because I’d be on a plane and BAzzle you in the azzle. And then have to put you to sleep with the fishes. With a Cuban Necktie.
;)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
JRE is a target shopper
except when he goes to neiman marcus. nothing in between.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
That sounds about right.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 18, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
right there with you jer
dollar bills, ya’ll
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
cash rules everything around me!
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
I wasn't calling him a 5 tool player
just someone who early in his career had the aptitude for more than DH, something Hafner does not.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
i thought the 6th tool was an accumen for spelling.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
larry-on-the-spot
Always good for a chuckle. At someone else’s expense. AND I DIG THAT ABOUT YOU, BABY.
Like I said, I got my Teutonic on today.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
i actually thought MM had done that on purpose.
whoops. i’ll never give him credit again.
"The Cubs would've won that game. They're the bestest team ever." - SSH2005
maybe he did?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
i realized right after i hit enter on that one. had a chuckle myself. no quarter given around here, but i respect that because i am a stickler for spelling.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
STICKLER FOR SUCKING IS MORE LIKE IT
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
owned.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
Buuuuuuurned!
Classic comeback!
Incineration! You are the Insult Master!
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
to South Park? or?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
aqua teen hunger force. i figured you were familiar considering your profile image and athf share a network.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
or haven't you seen this?
i can’t find the video, but here is the scene i was referencing. video ouija.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
i've seen that one, damnit
i am full of suck.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
To recap:
1. Sox need to DFA Herm Schneider because he is on ‘roids and doesn’t hit enough 2-out singles with men on second, all of whom would be unable to score anyway because they are too fat.
2. Coop once had a bad year, but no one remembers because they had too much jaegermiester in the bullpen bar last night with Hugo Chavez’s brother.
3. Travis Hafner is bad because he is too fat, as is everyone else except Konerko, who we should therefore trade for Ichiro, or possibly Orlando Hudson (one or both of whom may also be too fat, but they were former catchers or 3rd basemen, so they must be thin enough to score from 2nd on a hypothetical team which has hitters who do not always try to hit home runs).
4. Jerry Owens has been banned from the 25 man roster because he plays too many games in below average home run parks. Also, he cannot drink enough jagermeister.
5. Everything else is Juan Uribe’s fault.
That about cover it?
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 18, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions
lol!
For the love of God lets start a baseball game for new information!
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Perhaps we should give you that task everyday, esp off days.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Jerry Royster
is getting statue at the Cell?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 18, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
"whom"
Rudy Law or Vance Law?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 18, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
But I can spell
on occasion.
Weren’t you going home, already?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
I believe they are actually making a
statue of the statue of Harold.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 18, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought they were just going to have him stand around for a while
when he’s not coaching first
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
When I was a kid many decades ago,
Harold almost ran my foot over in his Porsche as he sped out of the player’s lot at the old park. I took that as a “no” as far as getting an autograph.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
Perusing.... Decent discussion on CC on Tribe
http://www.letsgotribe.com/2008/6/18/554273/trading-c-c
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
I think they all badly overstate the likelihood of a decent acquisition for 3 months of CC
Rasmus was being thrown out there. C’mon. I think they could probably convince Ned Colletti that he doesn’t need LaRoche, but outside of that, there aren’t a lot of corner bats available to them.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
dont worry
Cubs fans already have the deal in place: Cedeno, Hill and Murton.
ssh, is that true?
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 18, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's what I'd have to agree to in order to join Let's Go Tribe:
- No political talk. * No personal attacks. * No trolling or flame-baiting. * No profanity, this is a family-friendly site. * No posting under multiple identities. * No blatant site pimping. * Enjoy yourself, and try to help others do the same.
The only thing I haven’t done here is post under multiple identities. Yet.
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
fuck you and hilary clinton, that fucking cunt.
you’re a piece of shit and you don’t know dick. what are you gonna do about it? fuck your family.
visit me at colintjisapussy.com or colinblowingdudes.org
this place sucks. i’m outta here.
mortimer.
dave.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
Trolling and flame-baiting?
Are these guys anti-gay?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
i took no flame-baiting as meaning 'leave the fags alone' or 'don't provoke the queers'.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
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