Pittsburgh: Chicago's Punching Bag

The Pirates found themselves up 6-0 after an inning and half Tuesday, and headed to the ninth down a touchdown. Kansas City may be the cure for what ails ya, but Pittsburgh is Chicago's bitch this season. The Pirates have allowed 127 runs in 15 games (3-12) against Chicago baseball teams this season. They've allowed 13 or more runs 4 times in those games.
I could write about what a great comeback the Sox put together Thursday, but I'm not convinced that they deserve the lion's share of the credit. Pittsburgh sucks, which is why I was talking about driving the bandwagon last week. [Note by The Cheat, 06/19/08 11:47 PM CDT ] I'm willing to rethink my position. I just saw a Fact Screen on ESPN's Baseball Tonight that said the 37 runs were the most runs the Sox have ever scored in a 3-game sweep.
About that bandwagon
10 days ago, I was talking about the incredible opportunity the Sox had to put the division away in June. The Sox have gone just 4-5 in the interim, averaging 2 runs a game before the gift that is the Pittsburgh pitching staff showed up on the south side. Their division lead has shrunk, not expanded, by two games.
The division which you guys rated the toughest in baseball (Twice) is decidedly mediocre, and looks like it will be a cripple fight into September.
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I took the under on that division strength too
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jun 19, 2008 11:25 PM CDT
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I can't figure out how to link to old polls (or even look at the results)
I remember that I only made it because I saw a CSN poll that I thought was terrible skewed towards the AL Central. I was sure that you guys would have another division on top, but I was wrong…
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on
Jun 19, 2008 11:30 PM CDT
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you didn't do it as part of a story/fanpost/fanshot?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jun 20, 2008 12:27 AM CDT
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I think I was one of those
Who predicted record offensive outputs from Cleveland and Detroit in the greatest division evah.
by Ozzie Montana on
Jun 19, 2008 11:30 PM CDT
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pirates 31-27 against non-chicago teams.
no idea how.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on
Jun 19, 2008 11:58 PM CDT
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play a bunch of shitty teams and you have an okay chance of going roughly .500
play good ones and…not so much.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jun 20, 2008 12:27 AM CDT
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Yeah as nuts as it seems
Chicago has 2 quality baseball teams in the same year
by 815Sox on
Jun 20, 2008 8:01 AM CDT
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hee.
Like you’re really an authority… Sorry colintj, but I don’t know who the bloody hell you are, and I doubt you have any idea what’s going on.
by felixfelicis on Jun 25, 2006 2:25 PM EDT
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2006/6/24/193526/460
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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i'd like to know why an english guy thinks he knows more about baseball than colin.
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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and I'd like to see Keith argue soccer with him too...
cheeky little kicks and all…
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Not only has Toby Hall
been a solid backup catcher this year, but apparently he also carries injured children into the dugout to receive medical attention:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-baseball-injury_both_20jun20,0,4082027.story
by palehose67 on
Jun 20, 2008 8:45 AM CDT
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Kid could have died
But what about the swag? No mention about how much the kid hocked his freebies for on ebay.
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on
Jun 20, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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the sox need to keep an eye on this kid.
he’s got grinder written all over him.
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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looks like a lawsuit
the sox trainers and a nurse released the kid with a clean bill of health, four days later he is having brain surgery.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on
Jun 20, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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did we read the same article?
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on
Jun 20, 2008 12:09 PM CDT
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line drive to skull, no obvious sign of injury = obviously okay, enjoy the game kid
A trainer and a nurse found no obvious sign of injury, and sent Griffin back to the seats with signed bats, balls and an ice pack, Kemp said.
I think the prudent action is skipping the swag and calling a goddamn ambulance.
ungrindy, i know. but you live in cali, right? which is so ungrindy it is verging on gay.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on
Jun 20, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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2 days later he's playing baseball, 5 days later he's swimming.
what lawsuit? where’s the negligence on the Sox part?
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 12:18 PM CDT
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there likely is none, but has that ever stopped lawyers from trying?
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on
Jun 20, 2008 12:22 PM CDT
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you also said he had brain surgery 4 days later. wrong.
big difference between 16 days later “potentially” having to have a relatively low-risk operation to repair skull (of course surgery is always risky) and having “brain surgery” “four days later.”
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on
Jun 20, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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speaking of bandwagoning....
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080620
quality.
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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I get "page doesn't exist"
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Try this...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080620
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on
Jun 20, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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DAMMIT
Copy the whole link and paste it in your web browser address. Somehow the numbers at the end aren’t active in the link.
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on
Jun 20, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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no. too much trouble.
but thx anyway.
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:02 AM CDT
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here
highlight the desired text (http:// sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/080620), click this button
and paste the link there too
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Jun 20, 2008 3:03 PM CDT
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My lineup today against the Cubs....
SS OC
C Toby
LF Quentin
RF JD
1B Swish
3B JC
CF BA
2B Uribe
P Danks
This won’t happen….anyway I want Hall in there because he’s 9-22 lifetime against Lilly. Uribe 3-12 lifetime with 2HRS….not a great argument for Uribe over Alexei…but definitely for TH over AJ…just can’t see AJ riding the pine today even though I’m pretty sure it’s the right move.
by stanchar on
Jun 20, 2008 8:48 AM CDT
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Looks alright to me.....
Hall could play, seeing as AJ will play the next two. I doubt Ozzie would hit him that high, though.
by dantesox on
Jun 20, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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Despite my enthusiasm over Hall,
I want AJ in just for attitude’s sake.
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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Uribe is terrible
Alexei’s superior talent alone qualifies him over Uribe.
by Rockraines on
Jun 20, 2008 9:35 AM CDT
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did i miss it when we signed JC?
i think i’m calling world series. and sixth in the order?
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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while he's leading the league in redeeming sin,
he still struggles against lefties.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on
Jun 20, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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and if the infield tarp leaks he can walk on the water
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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and when we're in extra innings,
and no more beer is being served, he can turn the aquafina into wine.
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 11:23 AM CDT
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Et tu, Cheat?
The division which you guys rated the toughest in baseball (Twice) is decidedly mediocre, and looks like it will be a cripple fight into September.
Didn’t take you long to distance yourself from the masses, Boss. Cast aside the first day of summer….
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jun 20, 2008 9:04 AM CDT
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I voted for AL East
And had NL West second…
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by The Cheat on
Jun 20, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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OC SS, AJ C, Q LF, JD RF, swish 1B, joe 3B, missile 2B, BA CF, danks P
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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I was thinking...
what a shame to lose both PK and JT for this series, but then I thought again. I really don’t have any complaints about this lineup at all given recent performances.
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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some might even say
that PK (no disrespect to your man-crush) and JT have been holding us back this season.
Just a thought.
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 10:41 AM CDT
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Crede is my man-crush, BA my boy-crush, ARam my toy-crush.
and ‘some would say’ that JT is doing just fine.
Anyway, get my crushes right!
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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my god
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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If we could only fill in C, 1B, SS, RF - you'd be in a constant orgasmic state during the games.
Heart couldn’t take it for long.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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it's hard to keep up with your fickle old mind
there was a day when PK was your one and only…
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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yeah. when he 1st got here 20 years ago.
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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and when you used to consider him relatable...
“a little scruffy…but handsome!”
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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Who is "JT"?
Justin Timberlake?
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Jun 20, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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ROFLOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Jun 20, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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there's a growing concern that some might say that
but they work for the suntimes.
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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wha-?
I never told you about my respect for Mariotti’s expertise?
I pretty much listen to whatever he says.
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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i thought this was amusing about BA
line against lefties (in admittedly limted PAs): .172 .200 .483 .683
with an .095 BABIP. sheesh. small sample size but i can’t recall many instances of seeing a BABIP below .100 for splits of nearly any size.
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Can we get a snip of BP's pre-game?
Please?
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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hasn't been posted yet. usually up around 11.
you’re always very anxious.
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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at my age it's minute-to-minute.
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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Will be great if Q! (formerly known as Q) shows his stuff this weekend.
The honeys in the bleachers will be swooning over the Sox outfield – Q!, Brian Nikola Anderson, Jermaine.
Will definitely be some converts this weekend.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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well, you may be right about LF and CF. But I don't think they allow
wheelchairs in the RF bleachers.
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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The honeys love JD.
Decent, hard working, classy.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:54 AM CDT
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and wears his pinstripes well.
in a honey’s opinion.
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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Thome
Has an OPS+ above 100, he has sucked for his standards, but isn’t doing that poorly.
by madvillian on
Jun 20, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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meant for HSA presumably...
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:48 AM CDT
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no, not doing horribly.
but certainly not up to standards, no.
Not coming through in many clutch opportunities.
by homesickalien on
Jun 20, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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now that I think about it, there's a possibility she's pulling (y)our leg...
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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stop while you're behind!
I warned you to NEVER argue with uncle larry, and you’re tempting him mightily.
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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hmmm
I’m no Cubs fan, but I have sort of picked them as my favorite to win the pennant, so I have been following them a bit closer than I normally would this year. Last night I even went so far as to wade into the game threads over at the estimable Bleed Cubbie Blue. Just to lurk, mind you. The takeaway: Cubs fans are a little scary. Great fans, mind you. Knowledgeable as all get-out. But scary in the lets-analyze-a-groundout-from-15-directions kind of way. I have had some people ask me why I don’t link to more team-specific blogs. Nothing personal or particular to BCB, but I think that live-or-die on every pitch dynamic has something to do with it. I’m pretty obsessed, but I just can’t get that passionate or involved in the moment-by-moment like those guys do.
yeah, people on sites like SSS are fucking crazy.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/tht-daily-swooning/
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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BCB
Is like SSS on roids. They have factions and their factions have factions. I guess going 100 years without a WS win will turn people crazy like that.
I was pretty into the shuadenfreude thing back in ‘05 but haven’t read BCB or NSBB since then other than for a brief foray every couple months or so.
by madvillian on
Jun 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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we have factions, too
you’re either with me. or you’re my bitch.
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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don't forget bhoov: he has colin and me.
except when he doesn’t do his research.
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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as requested
Matchup: White Sox (41-31) at Cubs (45-28), 1:20 p.m. CT
Probable Starters: John Danks (80 2/3 IP, 3.01 RA, 1.25 WHIP, 61 K) vs. Ted Lilly (85, 5.08, 1.33, 83)
Pythagorean Record: White Sox, 44-28 (356 RS, 274 RA); Cubs, 46-27 (396 RS, 295 RA)
Hit List Rankings: White Sox, #4; Cubs, #1
Prospectus: The Southsiders have already thrown down the gauntlet, courtesy of pugnacious White Sox general manager Kenny Williams, who had this to say about the difference between the rooting loyalties for the two Windy City teams: “You might as well build a border, a Great Wall of China on Madison, because we are so different. We might as well be in two different cities. The unfortunate thing for me when I look at a lot of this is it’s a shame that a certain segment of Chicago refused to enjoy a baseball championship being brought to their city [in 2005]. The only thing I can say is, happy anniversary.” Although it is the 100th anniversary since the last year the Cubs won a World Series, they’ve cruised into June with the best record in baseball, the first time they have been in such a position since that 1908 season. Williams hardly needed to provide a spark in order to ignite passions—both teams are in first place, the first time that has been the case since their cross-city battle started counting in 1998. The series stands 29-28, advantage Cubs, so the Sox will have a chance to draw even by taking two of three in Wrigley, or pull ahead with a sweep.
Perhaps Williams is bitter because Chicago’s loyalties have been so clearly manifested in the attendance totals of the two teams. The front-running Cubs are drawing 40,345 fans per game to the Friendly Confines this season, while the White Sox, who have the largest cushion of any of the six first-place teams in the majors (4.5 games), are averaging only 27,492 fans per game at U.S. Cellular Field (down from last year’s average of 33,141), perhaps a product of their disappointing 72-90 record in 2007. The average figure for the Cubs is the highest in franchise history. Back in 1908, when the Cubs won their last title, the team played at the West Side Grounds, and averaged just 8,422 fans per game—which nevertheless ranked second among the eight teams of the National League.
by larry on
Jun 20, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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Pythagorean Record: White Sox, 44-28 (356 RS, 274 RA); Cubs, 46-27 (396 RS, 295 RA)
Thx for the post.
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by Chiburb on
Jun 20, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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A Pythagorean Record and $2 will get you on the LaSalle St. bus.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on
Jun 20, 2008 11:48 AM CDT
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To each his own.
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Jun 20, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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$20 wouldn't get me on a LaSalle St. bus.
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Mr. Elitist
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on
Jun 20, 2008 12:43 PM CDT
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Raining now, likely to storm soon.
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Jun 20, 2008 12:03 PM CDT
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Tiny little cell over Chgo.
Cubs are all asleep in cots in the locker room after their trek northward last night. They have planes circling Wrigley Field seeding the clouds, the need a few more hours of rest.
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Are you decribing Sox Park?
Tiny little cell? (And that’s redundant, sir.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jun 20, 2008 1:18 PM CDT
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*describing*, GD it
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
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A Seattle reunion for Cora?
The Seattle Times reported in Friday’s editions that White Sox bench coach Joey Cora could be a candidate for the Mariners’ managerial position if ownership elects not to retain interim manager Jim Riggleman. ...http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/06/a-seattle-reuni.html
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