So...Who Doesn't Really Like Sox-Cubs Games and Interleague Play?
i know two people.
The crosstown classic that became largely irrelevant after the Sox won an actual World Series -- and just not the city's version -- is now just a huge distraction that puts the teams involved at a disadvantage within their divisions. Using personal feelings to dismiss the series' importance is no longer necessary.
Look at it this way: Both teams have six games against a first-place opponent over the next two weekends while their division rivals get at least one set against second- or third-tier opponents. Here's who the other teams will be facing:
- Cleveland: Cincinnati and the Los Angeles Dodgers.
- Minnesota: Arizona and Milwaukee
- Detroit: San Diego and Colorado
- St. Louis: Boston and Kansas City
- Milwaukee: Baltimore and Minnesota
....
Or maybe I'm the outlier, and everybody who cares about baseball in Chicago has these games marked on their calendar. Personally, I've circled the June 30 game against the Indians to denote my favorite part of interleague play:
The end of it.
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I like Interleague when the Sox beat the Cubs...
when they lose, not so much.
by SSH2005 on Jun 20, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cub's sox Series is for stupid fans and stupid writers,
Writers who have nothing else to talk about so they make a Chicago Superteam
Fans have bragging rights over each other, because of 6 games.
And to me it’s like fighting with my wife sometimes…. You can’t win arguments with people who refuse to use logic. So i usually just don’t talk to them, then they try coaxing me in by saying i don’t care and i’m not a fan.
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Jun 20, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are not a fan
You don’t care.
And you can’t satisfy your wife.
There, I said it.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 20, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you my neighbor....?
how do you know all these personal things about me…?
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Jun 20, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wu just assumes everyone is like him.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2008 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't everyone?
If you are pricked, do you not bleed? If you are tickled, do you not laugh? If you are poisoned, do you not die? And if you are wronged, do you not revenge?
Think about THAT while wearing your nipple clamps, buster.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 21, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not ticklish, you bastard. how dare you bring that up?
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sore spot?
so to speak!
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 21, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
iseewhatyoudidthere.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...Not our nose
I have a picture of her in a swimming cap at age fourteen. She looks like a falcon.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 21, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm diving in head first like pete rose.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Cheers from the crowd*
Saaally! STICKWELL!
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 22, 2008 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interleague play is awful...
and the series against the Cubs are just annoying.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 20, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I read that this morning, and I think Jim speaks for me also.
Part of it is the logic he expresses, but the bigger part for me is this:
The crosstown classic that became largely irrelevant after the Sox won an actual World Series …
I find it hard to work up much anitpathy toward Cubdom anymore, except as reflexive humor. My heart doesn’t really much care anymore.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 20, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will that change is the Cubs -- dare I say it -- win a World Series this year?
by SSH2005 on Jun 20, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
I would have been mildly upset if the Cubs had won it in, say, ‘03, but now? More power to ‘em.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 20, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
we had a long debate on here last year (or maybe it was even before that) where i got roundly pilloried for saying the cubs aren’t a rival of the sox and this series is pretty stupid overall. i don’t care about the cubs. like, at all. just another six games of silly interleague. at any rate, i think i’ll just rest on what i’ve said in the past (and on what jim said). but i figured this was a topic that was going to come up inevitably so having a specific place to discuss it makes sense.
by larry on Jun 20, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's "antipathy" btw..
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 20, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, i'm still one of 'em asshole sox fans
who will occasionally rub it into my friends who are cubs fans. but only occasionally. i agree with the post overall, that these series are not only meaningless but put us at a disadvantage this season. (going back to) playing one exhibition game against the cubs would be ideal, but that’s never going to fucking happen.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 20, 2008 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs are somewhere between another game and the Twinkies or Tribe
Since the Sox won it all the interleague doesn’t really mean much until the Cubs win one. I mean, the Cubs could win the next 20 against the Sox and it doesn’t change the only thing that matters: 1 WC for the Sox, 0 for the Cubs.
by madvillian on Jun 20, 2008 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the series is not meaningless for most fans
one cannot deny that there is a definite increase in interests by the fans and media when they play each other
sportscenter is currently running a segment on ozzie v. piniella leading into the crosstown series
plus, i think it means more to the fans. definitely getting more calls and texts from cub fans already talking smack about the upcoming series that you do not necessarily receive when the twins are in town
it may be meaningless or ‘just another game’ for the players when they step on the field but for the common fan i like to believe it definitely creates an uptick on the meter
by The Scoper on Jun 20, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No doubt that many fans care...
but it’s dumb that they do. The Cubs aren’t any kind of rival – they’re not competing with the Sox for any sort of title.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 20, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i forgot to include one of my favorite parts of jim's post
I’ve attended one apiece on both sides of town, and they’re not fun. The reason the atmosphere is “supercharged” is because the stands are packed with too many people who staple their self-esteem to the outcome of six rather meaningless games. The games may be louder, but the volume has the overtones of desperation.
by larry on Jun 20, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, that is a good observation
it’s amateurs night in the stands. Full of the people Lee Elia talked about.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on Jun 20, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
its just for glorified sh** talking until the next series the following weekend
and after that series, it doesn’t carry weight
the bottom line in all the discussions btwn cubs-white sox is world series
by The Scoper on Jun 20, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More reason to ban interleague play:
This year, in a total of 6 interleague series each, the Sox and their current closest division rival, the Twins share a total of one common opponent. That is a total of 15 games played against completely disparate teams at potentially uneven talent levels.
Does anyone know if there is some sort scheduling rule applied to interleague opponent selection, or are these just hand crafted each year? Do they at least try to use some sort of weighting system with the previous season’s record so that teams from the same division are not playing a significantly harder schedule (even then, parity would have to be low for that to work consistently)?
by CatBrains on Jun 20, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't know if there's scheduling logic beyond
pumping up the local established rivalries.
I’ve always wondered why the Sox haven’t played Milwaukee in like 8 yrs. That was a pretty good rivalry, at least in terms of fan interest.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on Jun 20, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when Tony Phillips was around.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jun 20, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Tony Phillips...
That dude was a stud. He sure knew how to take a walk. He just couldn’t stay away from the nose candy.
The Sox then traded him for Peter North-lookalike Jorge Fabregas.
by SSH2005 on Jun 20, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no shit.
125 walks as a 37-year old without much pop is impressive.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 20, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Sox playing the Cubs
If I had no family or friends who were the most insufferable people whenever the Cubs were in first place throughout my whole life it wouldn’t matter. However, that has not been the case. Because of that history, watching the slow torture that is their failed dreams evaporating every year is not instant gratification-esque enough for me. Yes, I want to pound them, if only to blunt the “Ha, Ha” I inevitably hear if we lose, and the excuses if we don’t. It’s nice to have that chip.
And ducking the rivalry (“it’s not relevant any more”, “we’ve won the Series, so who cares”, etc.) isn’t the answer. Gandhi and MLK may have changed parts of the world with non-violent civil disobedience, but we’re from Chicago, and that doesn’t work.
Bring ‘em on. Every year. And stomp the mofo’s.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 20, 2008 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice...
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 20, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent!
that is serious passion-sharing and swagger-showing, WU!
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on Jun 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got my Teutonic on once again
Blood and iron. The Anti-Toonder (pacifist).
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 20, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
interleague play is as lame as wang after running the bases.
and while this (“Look at it this way: Both teams have six games against a first-place opponent over the next two weekends while their division rivals get at least one set against second- or third-tier opponents.”) isn’t always true, it is true that the cubs are a bitch to play no matter their record at the time.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 20, 2008 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it seems like it IS always true for St. Louis vs. KC
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 20, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
though I admit to not looking at the records to see if KC holds its own
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 20, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, it's hard.
Toonder, it’s the “hard” that makes it great. If is wasn’t hard everybody would do it.
Puss. No Honey Badger are you.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess at your age, hard does need quotation marks.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 20, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to start gnawing on a cobra right now
Left Coast has taken you prisoner.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 20, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
life sentence.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 20, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which...
Remember how you asked me if I was going to the A’s-Sox series in August, and I told you I don’t know?
I said that because I wasn’t sure what my situation was going to be. That’s been resolved – the wife and I are moving to Chicago next week, so I unfortunately won’t be around.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 20, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where you gonna live, JRE?
Burbs or city?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 20, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
city hall
provided larry gives the heads-up
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 20, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
City.
Logan Square, to be precise.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 20, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely regentrified, from what I hear.
When I was a kid it was gang-infested.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 20, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About half of Chicago is like that.
I walked around the neighborhood, and I could see the changes.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 20, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
still is
depends upon where you are in that area.
back in 2003, my wife was living there and a teenage kid (gang member) followed a woman who lived in my wife’s building home from the california el stop and strangled her for about ten bucks and her credit cards. of course, the guy used the credit card to buy stuff at a gas station and was promptly caught. brilliant waste of life.
by larry on Jun 20, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's on the other side of Kedzie...
from where I’ll be living.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 20, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, that's where a lot of the action still is.
but that area in general is still quite shady, despite appearances during the day. one of those places where you go down this side street but not that one. ah, you presumably have a car and won’t be wandering around the streets late at night anway. just make sure you know what you’re doing; the woman in my wife’s building had just moved to the area in the last ten days and did something (walk home alone from california el late at night using side streets) that someone who lived in that area for a while wouldn’t have done. i imagine you’re more, shall we say, street smart than that.
by larry on Jun 20, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
back to the land where you don't have to get by on 6 games a year.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 20, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with the move!
If you’re interested, perhaps you, Toonder, and myself could get together and watch the ESPN broadcast tomorrow night?
I understand that you are probably quite busy, but just throwing it out there.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 22, 2008 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LARRY SUCKS LARRY SUCKS LARRY SUCKS
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 20, 2008 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone want to compare Nick Swisher's stats to Ryan Sweeney's
I know swish was 2 for 3 today with a walk, but somehow this just isn’t feeling good… I thought his power numbers were going to go up in the hitter friendly cell…..
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Jun 20, 2008 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here
.347 BABIP v. .265. and patience on the power numbers.
by larry on Jun 20, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure larry, it's all luck.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 20, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right.
swisher just wasn’t trying for the first couple months.
by larry on Jun 20, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait i just looked, it's not that lop sided
just can’t believe sweeney is batting 304 and is 6 for 6 in sb
I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.
by ElDiablo on Jun 20, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
baaaaaaaaaaaabip
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 20, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if sport is just a silly contrivance itself, then rivalry
is the epitome of sport and i happen to buy into both.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 20, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i can't disagree with the logic.
though, to me, it’s just so annoying to be a part of. i’m at a bar in the loop after work today with some co-workers and i’m watching goon fans of both teams living and dying with each pitch. the people who can’t believe he called that 6th inning, 1 out, nobody on strike 1 that looked outside. you know what i mean? it’s exhausting. these are not the sox and cubs fans who really delve into the game. no one could put that much into every pitch of the season.
do i want the sox to beat the cubs? yeah. probably more than most teams, but i can’t act like i’m 12 watching it. i’m too old for that. we all love baseball here, but it would be pretty sad to have baseball get you more excited than anything else in your life, you know? i’d ideally like to watch every sox game each year, but can you imagine doing it while cheering/bitching about every pitch of it?
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2008 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
football is built for this kind of fandom, not baseball.
one game a week. 16 games a season. that you can understandably put more energy into each moment of each game. but 6 days a week for 6 months is something you have to pace yourself for.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2008 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i also hate the fact that i’m rooting against chicago, my city. i wish the cubs and sox were vying for 2 different titles and never met, that way we wouldn’t have chicagoans rooting for chicago to lose. all this infighting is like a civil war. can’t we all just agree to hate detroit?
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2008 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to agree to hate Detroit?
I’m a fairly young lad, so these kinds of games admittedly get me riled up. College students aren’t exactly the most mature of people when it comes to sports, and I was extremely pissed off about yesterday. But, I would gladly sacrifice losing “City bragging rights” if the Sox were to make a playoff run.
And I think the series loses its luster because the Chicago media is horribly dreadful at covering sports. The hype doesn’t just start the week of, these idiots are going on about the series for almost a whole damn month before it happens. The papers create idiotic things like “Which fans are hotter?”
I don’t understand why they have to try so hard. The series sells itself, and people freaking love it. My dad thinks baseball is the most boring sport in the world and wishes they played cricket here, yet even he gets upset when the Sox lose to the Cubs.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 21, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to see someone else notice how media ruins this. Look at my comment below, the exact point.
Another good point I saw on this thread was by MarketMaker: don’t make rooting and winning by some sports team the most important thing in your life. Nothing wrong with getting excited by the series and your team winning (and I go really crazy at times), but there are greater things in life.
by LT_sox_fan on Jun 21, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And of course when they get mushroomed slapped like today
It helps so much to not live and die by these games. Jose was horrible today, what else can you do.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 21, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when i'm watching
whatever the game, even if I don’t expect my team to have a chance, i’m the yelling/moaning sort. i get over it pretty quickly, but in the moment, i can’t get any distance. if you mapped “insane comments vs. time elapsed since event causing insane comment”, it would be near infinite from 0-1 sec and rapidly dwindle thereafter.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 21, 2008 5:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm like that as a participant, as a spectator...not so much.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 21, 2008 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only I could separate the two...
Hence the regular use of “we”. I used to avoid that, but the dispassion didn’t suit me.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 21, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Cubs-Sox series
Baseball is supposed to be fun, and these are fun.
Both feet on the bandwagon.
by vince_ on Jun 20, 2008 5:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would like the series more
If the media would stop discussing the same topics year in and year out. Instead of asking the same questions over and over every year, can we all agree on one answer and just reprint it yearly? All the radio stations and newspapers are very annoying around this time of the year.
Another thing I don’t like is the people without any baseball clue asking me how can I be a white sox fan and not love the cubs. Especially when those people are clueless at all why they like the cubs and pretend to like baseball.
by LT_sox_fan on Jun 20, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+ and -
The positives are that the games generate revenue for the Sox and often puts them on the national stage.
The negatives are that I don’t really give a crap about the Cubs, so, even in the Bay Area, all the hype is annoying (I agree that this series became irrelevant after the 2005 World Series). It puts the Sox on the national stage where they can make asses of themselves, which is what I gather happened last night. I think the other things have been mentioned previously in this thread, so I won’t repeat them.
I can understand why people like this series, but I agree with larry and Sox Machine that we can do without the crosstown classic. I’m not so sure if I’d want to eliminate inter league play all together, because I do like to see some of the different matchups it brings.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 23, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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