Let's Forget This Weekend
I'm sitting here procrastinating, reluctant to put fingers to keyboard, watching SportsCenter on ESPN. They're doing a story on rabid fans and their plans for the afterlife. They've profiled some fans having their ashes spread on an English football pitch, others being buried in a special area next to the stadium, and a line of MLB-themed caskets and urns. There's a 40-year old in a Yankees T-shirt sitting in a dank little room full of Yankees memorabilia with the Yanks urn on his lap.
I'm not one of those guys. I have a couple 2005 T-shirts, one (replica) Jersey (no name or number), one Sox hat that I don't wear anymore and a few thousand baseball cards '88-'90 in my closet. I'm a Sox fan, obviously, but I don't wear it on my sleeve. In fact, there are plenty of people who have no idea that I run this site or that part of the reason I don't wish to discuss the latest reality show fad is that I was busy watching one of the 150 Sox games a year that I'm able to fit into my schedule.
I don't know exactly where I'm going with this, but I think my initial point was supposed to be about perspective. I think I have it. I can't always be sure, but I think, as obsessive as I am about the Sox--and you have to be obsessive to write about them for 4 years for essentially no benefit--that I keep it within the realms of the clinically sane.
There are times that I just need to vent or take a few days off, and I've never hesitated to do either.
That being said, I think I'll refrain from writing about this past weekend's thrashing at the hands of the Cubs. I was already tired of the Cubs-Sox hoopla when I was asked to provide some quotes for a Chicago Tribune story on "whether both teams’ good play so far this year will affect the fans’ sense of rivalry."
I never responded--I rarely respond to anything that hits my inbox--Somehow I doubt the traffic gained from my single 'I don't really care about the Cubs. They're just another team.' comment would have been worth the time and effort of moderating the trolls it would no doubt attract. I'm sure the Powers That Be at SBN won't appreciate reading this, but I have no intention of making this the biggest Sox site on the net.
I want to have a site that I don't have to babysit. And it should be filled with the best and brightest the White Sox faithful has to offer. So, my gift to you this Monday morning, an SSH-free day. He'll be back tomorrow, but I thought it best for all of us if we had a day to decompress in his absence.
You're welcome.
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One thing about the game
because it’s humorous…
Best media moment: A Sun-Times columnist asking security staffers Saturday to safeguard him from one of his colleagues, who asked for a conversation. Request denied.which reinforces what I posted in ChiBurb’s letter to the editor FanPost
It apparenly happened Saturday because this note was included in the Trib’s liveblog
Jay Mariotti asked for a security presence to safeguard him from his colleagues. UPDATE: Mariotti is cornered in the lunchroom with his cell glued to his ear, whining to his bosses about the inconsiderate behavior of his Sun-Times peeps, who apparently don’t like him.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Jun 23, 2008 12:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
poor jay
on top of that my friend was in the city yesterday and Mariotti almost got hit by a car.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*saw
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karma - if it only made contact!
d*mn the bad luck.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
the way he told the story Mariotti had Toonderstrook and Larry on speed dial… He was probably instructed by one of them to carry around a “spare” neck brace.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat you're the best bcause of that
You let me post whatever I want no matter how shite the quality out of sheer faith in the goodness of Sox fans and then completely negate the value of a three game series with our “rivals”. Evidence further that you navigate the complexities of blogdom brilliantly. Thanks again for the respite and the space to express myself. How you stay nearly without ego in a pursuit that’s so egotisic I won’t know.
/asskissing but what the fuck ever
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 1:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank You!
I know I don’t post on this site very often but I am a bigger Sox fan than I let on. I watch as many games as I can and though I do not let it consume my life I do my best to catch up every day when I do not have a chance to watch the game. Part of my nightly routine is to spend at least 20 to 30 minutes reading this blog depending on the degree of interest the posts provoke on any particular night. One of the reasons I go here instead of any of the countless other places where I can get my sox news from is that, unlike most other places, when I come here I am always certain to find what you (Cheat) were referring to as perspective.
I know I can always come here and see the whole picture. For every person who is screaming that the season is over there is a voice of optimism whispering in the background. For every person preaching on ignorant hope there is a voice of realism ready to bring them back to earth. And for every weekend when there just aren’t enough words to really make sense of what happened, there is Cheat, offering us perspective.
I don’t always agree with everything that is said here, and I certainly don’t get as fanatic as some of you here but I love baseball and I love my Sox just like the rest of you. I am grateful to be able to come here everyday and this post only reminded me why. Thanks Cheat!
by Sox Fan Louie on Jun 23, 2008 1:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheat would be singing a different tune
if we would have swept the Cubs. I have a feeling that a little bit of Cheat’s “Sox Pride” died over this weekend. Cheat if you ever need a break, WTGTD will be more than happy to post a recap. My sox pride was reinforced over this weekend, I was obviously wrong to think this team was going anywhere.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This weekend -- quite obviously -- sucked
I was looking forward to this series more for the fact that the Sox were going to get a chance to show what they had against one of baseball’s best. Not that a three game set out of 162 is something you can draw a whole lot from, min you, but it was still a series I was certainly looking forward to. I don’t want to completely discount the “Crosstown Classic” factor - my dad is a Cubs fan and at Marquette I know a lot more people who root for the boys in red and blue than I know Sox fans - but it’s certainly lessened over the years (I’m sort of sidetracking here).
I’m just disappointed because we didn’t see the good or even average Sox team. Outside of a handful of guys (Dye, Danks, Quentin… some other guys had a non-terrible but nothing noteworthy series, too), we saw a poor weekend from our guys. Whether it was Contreras throwing BP on Saturday, Vazquez suddenly (or maybe not so suddenly—he’s been shaky his past several starts, although I expect him to rebound. He’s battling his command right now, that happens.) having no inkling on where the strike zone is, Crede not hitting the ball hard…
I don’t know… I’m sorry if this reads as more of a ramble. This weekend was tough, but it’s times like this that I’m glad I’ve completely weened myself off of ESPN “analysis” and other mainstream media output. This has become my sole outlet for talking Sox, as it’s generally a great balance of passion and reason minded-ness.
by CWSKeith on Jun 23, 2008 2:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheat, have I said thank you lately?
I agree with the above posters and have only one thing to add:
An SSH-free day is like when the lifeguard at the public pool blows his whistle to signal “adult swim”.
Thx for that too.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 4:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I went to this game
My second (and last) experience in the bleachers at Wrigley.
The heckling in the bleachers was pretty brutal.
The Sox’ play was also brutal.
But as I contemplated after the game whilst getting my drink on, the only thing that really upset me about this game is the Sox only being 1 1/2 games in 1st. Ultimately, I could give a rats patootie about how the Sox play the Cubs; any Cubs fan heckling really has no bite because you can end any argument with “talk to me when you win a World Series in your lifetime.”
Vazquez was poor today, in fact, I’ve got a terrible record watching the Sox in person this season – 0-3 and only 2 runs scored over all 3 games. But still, it’s just one weekend against an opponent that is not in our division. If the Twins had lost today I wouldn’t have really cared that much.
This may not be a great team, but I still think they are a good team. They just didn’t show it today at all.
Both feet on the bandwagon.
by vince_ on Jun 23, 2008 4:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Count me in as one of those whose ashes are getting spread
on the old Comiskey site (yes, it’s a parking lot) and has 2 actual seats from 2005 sitting in my garage. That being said, I don’t live and die with each win/loss, but rather frequent this site because of the diverity of opinion and the interesting ways those opinions are present. It’s fun.
That being said, it hasn’t been as much fun this past weekend, so thanks, Cheat, for allowing (perhaps) some fresh air to permeate. Everyone needs a break once in awhile.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 6:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm, did you mean "diversity of opinions"?
back to your old tricks, eh WU? ;)
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 23, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only good news
is I was unable to watch most of Saturday and all of Sunday. Brutal. Should I be concerned about Javy? Did he look that bad (wild) or is he just going thru “that” period most go thru at some point in the season.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Jun 23, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im pretty sure it's mechanical, so I figure Coop will hopefully get that cleaned up
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is 4 starts in a row, IIRC...
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never saw him with serious control problems before.
Behind in most counts – not good in the majors.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His shoulder is flying open again
which hurts his control with his fastball, and it makes his curve roll rather than snap. It basically makes most of his pitches junk. Its a flaw that he has fallen into many times over his career, and you can even see AJ telling him to stay closed.
by Rockraines on Jun 23, 2008 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I could see him emphasizing and pointing to his own front shoulder when he threw the ball back
accurate diagnosis IMO
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what / who is SSH?
and why is today a free day?
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
South Side Hate?
He’s a fence sitter who leans to the North Side, and is about as pessimisstic as a man can be. Not great to have to listen to when we are already down. Not as much of a problem when the Sox are winning.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don't you just ban him
if he is such a pain in the ass
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat, rightly so, is slow to ban people.
I think he trusts that the grown-ups here can self-police the Negative Nellies, and that’s true for the most part. However, at times it becomes tiresome, and easier to just stay away from the site or gamethreads for a while.
In this case, Cheat chose to give a “timeout”. Do they have such things in modern Brit parenting?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as I say below
I don’t think it’s censorship, no one is stopping him going and setting up his own web blog.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s good to have a counter point and someone to play devil’s advocate, but some days you can do without it. I think a a temporary ban works well here.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not even counterpoint
Banning somebody for going against the grain would be stupid.
It’s the nonstop harassment and tailing posters from thread to thread whenever a point of evidence happens to fall in his favor that gets tiresome—especially since there’s a gigantic mountain of proof (Andruw Jones, Eduardo Perez, various Wilsons, for starters) that shows his analysis is merely reactionary.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jun 23, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice reaction, GIT
Wait, I’m reacting, too! Jim, you got me.
;)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Wasn’t much I could say, he was definitely right, and I was not.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it can be tiresome but banning him, even for a day, is still stupid on my book
grow some thick skin folks
if you don’t like the guy, don’t read/respond to his messages
I don’t have a problem with SSH
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSH is the SHIZNIT!
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that
I just don’t like banning someone because we don’t like with his pov on the sox
I admit I’ve banned a couple users fro m SSS but that was either for spam or hate
SSH hasn’t done either of those…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know
i was agreeing with you until i read over his comments on the gamethread this weekend (this search function is a handy tool). i’m quite glad i decided to foresake those after friday. things got totally out of hand with that guy. i don’t care about his point of view on the sox. however, i’m fairly certain posters on here do not need to be called “pussies” and “jobless loser” repeatedly. this has nothing to do with thick skin. it has to do with displaying a level of civility commensurate with reasoned discussion. i’m sure we would all admit to crossing the line once in a while in this area when frustration or whatever gets the better of us. but he crossed well over the line and stayed there. i’m fairly certain that if SSH was not a regular poster on this site he would have been outright banned for his conduct this weeked because i’ve witnessed others banned permanently for lesser conduct.
i'm retired. get off my lawn.
by larry on Jun 23, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, eff you.
Puss.
;)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, we are allowed to use 'pussies' but he's not?
that smacks of hypocriticy
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
spellcheck may be needed at the end!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have i missed a lot of other posters exhibiting similar malice towards other members of this community?
if so, throw them in there, too.
i'm retired. get off my lawn.
by larry on Jun 23, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
<--- Yes!!!
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
take a look yourself
term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"malice"
and now i’ll go back to my not posting.
i'm retired. get off my lawn.
by larry on Jun 23, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, don't be like that, lar
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean SSH used it maliciously but you/we didn't?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiz, I am usually on your side
but if you can’t see the stylisitc and intellectual differences in the posts of our 2 protaganists this is going nowhere. Just read the posts. SSH added almost nothing and was beating his opinion over our heads with a club (Cub?).
IMHO.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who decides that he adds nothing?
isn’t that arbitrary?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
christ. meaningless discussion is why i'm avoiding posting and here i am dragged into it again. i'll remember to just stay quiet in the future.
is calling someone a jobless loser, and other variants thereon, adding anything? seriously? and people say i argue just to argue.
i'm retired. get off my lawn.
by larry on Jun 23, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course calling someone a jobless loser doesn't add anything
no question there
my point is why when we do it is humor and when SSH does it is malice?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Basically every regular user expressed severe annoyance toward him
That’s a qualititative measure. In my little Cubsessed fanpost I laid out my reluctance to take punitive measures, but it got the point where long time users like larry and WU were avoiding the site. Again, that’s a qualitative measure: the value of the community is reduced when the intelligent user base is reduced.
And as long time users of the English language, I don’t see why we can’t determine the qualitative difference between “Monsignor Non Sequitur” and “jobless loser”. One’s a clear attempt at humor and the other is not.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
the level of my english is not where I’ll feel qualified to judge his intent so I’ll leave it to those with a better grasp
ps. there’s no irony, at least none intended in my words
I don’t think I can determine so I’ll drop it…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’re something else, wiz. i wish i retained your level of naivety.
i'm retired. get off my lawn.
by larry on Jun 23, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a little much
don’t be such a grumpy mcgrumperson :(
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I thought it wasn’t malicious
my english comprehension ain’t the best…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Good posting" is obviously subjective
I won’t fault him for Friday, the negative comments started before Dotel blew the game when the offense didn’t move any runners and Cheat posted that “worst inning ever” comment. It just went south after that and SSH just became bolder with his whining.
I don’t think it’s right to ban someone from a forum where he can vent. The team was bad this weekend, I think a lot of us were more than pissed off.
The problem, at least IMO, was that he was attacking people for no reason other than the Sox were losing. I think I made a comment about easing up on the pessimism, and a personal attack followed. I’m a big boy and can handle that, but this isn’t the ESPN board. Personal attacks should never surface here, and if so extinguished easily. I’m a newcomer to this site and love how it’s allowed me to become more passionate about the Sox while learning more about evaluating players. Why should that opportunity be sullied with people who are just using gamethreads to bait people?
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 23, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
personal attacks are legitimate grounds for suspension
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
I understand playing devil’s advocate and provoking the more intellgible of regulars on the site (I am not speaking of myself here, mind you) to defend the difference in conduct between themselves and SSH.
I haven’t been around long, but I could distinguish that difference in my very first gamethread here.
SSH is probably only not banned because he does provide some statistical and legitimate commentary, IMHO.
But overall, I wonder if he isn’t just here to provoke and be provoked. Some guys just walk into a bar looking for a fight, and that’s sort of how I think of him.
But just as has been mentioned – the best way to fix the bully is to ignore him. Let him talk to himself if he bothers you.
My “pussy” count is probably still in the single digits, but you can tell when it is used in bullying or in humor. Like Larry said, SSH exceeds the usual need for thick skin. You need thick skin and the ability to just look the other freaking way.
Treat him like any other Cubs fan!
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to stay out of it for personal reasons
but…
I think you’ll find that SSH started it maliciously after learning that HSA was a female. His reply to that, without looking it up, was “Pussy Pussy Pussy”.
You’ll also find that most “pussy” usage after that was clearly mocking him and his cluelessness.
At least that’s how I remember it.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
I JUST GOT MY NEW SIG!
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I asked if you were in a bad mood, Wiz
Itchin’ for a throwdown, ain’tcha?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How come I was never banned?
Must have been that while I was being an asshole… I was funny doing it.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youre kind of like the resident jester
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was harsh...
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
tag line!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thx
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the player haters ball would have it...
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE!
“Well well well, if it isn’t the most diabolical haters this side of the Mississippi.”
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word
This sight is awesome.
Maybe this weekend motivates the Sox…
Ozzie is great because I think he is just as upset as any of us. Maybe now his earlier plea(s) for a roster move gains some traction? Dewayne Wise was impressive and added some much needed speed in center. Thome can’t even play 1st for 1,2,3 games? Swish struggled at first and at the plate. And whats with this pitchers batting nonsense anyway I like AJ, but his D is lacking and I’m still uneasy about him batting second. CQ can’t do everything the entire year (has a write in ballot allstar ever won MVP?).
All that said we are in 1st. Bring on the Twins, we weren’t going to win it without beating them anyway. Maybe warmer weather will heat up our hitters, which seems to be Ozzie’s new catch phrase to keep himself from expressing a desire for more offensive firepower.
by No It All on Jun 23, 2008 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good early season test
The crowds this weekend had to be the near-loudest many players have experienced, in or out of dome. Interesting to consider the effect on both teams.
It was painful that the Sox as a team seemed to regress through the series to last night’s whimper.
In the end, I think the Sox are more than competitive with the north-side team.
by tommyjoepeters on Jun 23, 2008 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am forcing myself to step back from the ledge and
put my very “cranky” weekend in the rearview mirror. Talk about a trainwreck…geez…and on national TV…double geez.
This weekend could set things right with the Sox world again…or make it completely unbearable…who knows?
However, beyond this weekend, on the upside, the Sox schedule isn’t terrible in July with 6 vs. KC, 6 vs. TX, and a smattering of games with Oakland, Detroit and a whopper of a series in Minnesota and the tail end. These are series that SHOULD be won by the Sox if they buck up and get their act together, with pitching and hitting in sync. Hey, it could happen.
Meanwhile, in July, the Twins have many games vs. Cleveland and Detroit (so it will be nice to watch the rest of the division beat each other up), as well as series in Boston and New York.
So do like Steve Perry and…”Don’t stop believin’, hold on to that feelin’”
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Coincidence
That I used all seven of George Carlin’s words you cannot say on TV last night while I was watching the game?
RIP George – I know he is in heaven with Tim Russert, arguing politics and snorting an eightball.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow - just happened yest - I had to look it up
I thought you were joking or I missed hearing about it. Jeez – didn’t realize he was 71. (Dam I’m getting old)
by Brush Back on Jun 23, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was already too beaten up by Jose's stellar performance on Saturday
and Vazquez’ start too get really excited.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alcohol is a beautiful thing
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another "thank you" message
I was really excited when I found out about Southsidesox.com. A modern look with really knowledgeable analysis and comments. So thank you for keeping this going and writing. Your effort are not getting wasted. Fans like me learn more about the game and about the sox. Some stats you provide I would not be able to dig myself or even know where to start digging for them. Even though I have been on this site for maybe a couple months now I can say I am much more understanding and knowledgeable fan because of reading the posts here.
by LT_sox_fan on Jun 23, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're welcome.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed lots of "newbies" on the site as of this weekend
They all seem very upbeat and interested in sharing their thoughts.
I guess they haven’t met larry yet.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ain't that the truth!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like larry's taking a break, too
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hooray! See? There is good news to be found on this dismal Monday
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to disagree
I enjoy reading what Larry has to say, it’s either comical when blasting away on someone or informative.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
usually one or the other or both. Very amusing until he unleashed his whip on me…then not so amusing.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, agreed.
I think we’ve all been there.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Larry's "fresh bait."
But it’s cool because at least it’s a worthy assailant.
I would mind getting pecked to death by a seagull.
With utmost respect, I would die in the mouth of a shark.
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't drop
blood in the water when Larry’s around. Confused by the poem, are you trying to win Larry’s heart?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't a poem.
And no. I have already won Larry’s heart. (ha! yeah right :)) I’m being truthful. You shouldn’t cower when someone is teaching you a thing or two about how to act in public.
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's to say
that person is the right person to teach you how to act in public?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody.
I can tell for myself.
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed his presence
I’m not the most experienced Sox fan. If I ask a stupid question, I don’t really mind if some anonymous commenter makes a pithy remark. Besides, this is a sports blog, there’s obviously a sarcasm quota to be filled.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 23, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what's SSH doing?
Emailing Rotoworld bulletins about inconsequential players to himself?
Carving a Cubs logo into his arm?
Calling everybody named “Larry” in the phonebook?
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jun 23, 2008 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Washing the three different Cubs jersey’s he wore over the last three days? (I’d bet Theriot, Dempster and DeRosa myself)
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually enjoy the Rotoworld bulletins on inconsequential players
I’d estimate at least 50% of baseball blogging consists of people posting how a recently DFA’d Player X is better than the last bench player on the team they follow. Given that Ozuna is at the end of the Sox bench, I’m a sucker for arguing such minutiae.
by hitlesswonder on Jun 23, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah me too
He’s pretty good at bringing in outside info/links and having a reasonable opinion about the things in question. By and large before the weekend he was nothing more than persnickety.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of big positives to come out of this weekend
Danks, talk about someone who walked the walk. He shut down that potent offense with the wind blowing out in a bandbox. He has really taken a step forward this year.
Jermaine Dye’s power streak.
Carlos Quentin back to taking pitches and hitting the ball.
by southsideirish71 on Jun 23, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CQ
Definitely seems to raise his game when others on this team are struggling, not sure if it just happens to be coincidence due to his injury and now recovery, or if he just is one of those guys who rises to the occasion when needed most.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Registering using his wife's email address.
Maybe “LT_sox_fan” above?
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To Sox Machine re So what's SSH doing?
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LT seems to like the Sox though
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely should have used a smilely face.
I hope there was no doubt, LT_sox_fan, that I was joking.
; ) : ) ; ) : ) ; ) : )
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew you were being sarcastic
I was just doing more of the same.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very disappointing
but still a lot of season left
by The Scoper on Jun 23, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"It's never just a game when you're winning." - George Carlin (1937-2008)
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carlin died?!?
Thats such a fucking shame
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSH censorship
Quite Orwellian, yet appreciated.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why is it censorship
kick him off if he is a pain in the arse, no one is stopping him setting up his own web blog.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because someone's thoughts are being supressed because we don't agree with them
As I noted, I think it’s a great move.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not supression
he can set his own blog up and call it whatever he likes, he should be told to fuck off
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, good thing we broke off from the Mother Country
a couple of millenia ago or we’d all be speaking…..oh, never mind.
BTW, Gordon Brown blows chunks.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or we’d all be speaking…..
of ZedZed Top.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blows chunks?
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I immediately think of Kevin Kline in "A Fish Called Wanda"?
Try and come into the colloquialisms of the 21st century. And you’re welcome for saving your crumpets in WW II. (And thanks for backing us in the Middle East – that took stones by Mr. Blair.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never seen that film
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just messing with you
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you mean Bulimia?
that’s not Brown, but Prescott Blair’s deputy, he recently confessed to being bulimic in his biography.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that took stones by Mr. Blair
no, that took stupidity
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiz, you in a bad mood?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
why?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind, then. My mistake.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no mistake at all
thanks for the hug that was coming my way!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does GB blow chuncks?
I haven’t been paying much attention to international news lately, did he do something with the financial markets?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 23, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSS is the defacto best place to talk about the Sox
Keeping dudes from that because they momentarily lapse from “proper decorum” is totally suck. SSH isnt getting more than a day because he doesn’t deserve any more than that. And some (not me) would argue he deserves less. Forgive me, but he’s provided significantly more to the site than have you.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't care less either way
it’s you lot who are moaning about him, one day ban, load of bollocks, let him post or if he such a big pain in the arse ban him.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or decide on a different course of action altogether that makes sense considering the
events in question. and, hey, that’s what Cheat did! it’s a wonderful thing.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else concerned that
the tigers are 5 games back and playing well?
by The Scoper on Jun 23, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not yet, I'm busy worrying about the Twins
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cooked also.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins are cooked?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Search SSS with "cooked"
and scroll to June 10 post by one of our regular posters.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too much work
I’ll just admit to failing to spot your sarcasm.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i searched it
and no results for june 10th
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy am I glad I wasn't around a tv this weekend...
or my computer.
Friday’s gamethread demonstration was about all I could take – I am nervous to sift through Saturday’s discussion…especially since it warranted a 24-hour banishment for SSH.
But like everyone else said – this site is truly incredible for the discussion it generates through very intelligent and informed members, namely the editors, but also some contributing fans. Cheat and Wiz (Colin and Shaft), you guys dedicate enormous time to allow us fans to have an arena for expression, information, and devotion. And your work is much appreciated.
And thanks for the one good piece of news today. I came to work only to find out that my dearest hero has left this earth – I truly feel like a friend is gone. (And strangely, it’s not SSH).
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, she doesn't mean MarketMaker. She's refering to George Carlin.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is George Carlin?
is he a commentator?
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
England doesn't appreciate the greatness that is George Carlin?
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never heard of him
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ever heard of "Google"?
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought I'd ask you lot
more fun that way
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Was" George Carlin
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, can the woman speak for herself?
(I initially thought she was referring to you, you OPOS. Glad you are above ground yet another day.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a great uncle who answers "How are you?"
with “Six feetabove ground and breathing!” Amazing what being in the Purple Gang will do for your life expectancy.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to MarketMaker?
Is he gone too?
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has an actual job, I imagine
He was very active over the weekend.
You got a man, remember?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now.
Just wonderin’ what I missed. I wasn’t asking for personal reasons, Uncle WU.
:P
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uber-lardy.
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 23, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see at least ONE attorney
who hasn’t packed it in.
And yes, 95% of my commentary is bad for your cholesterol level from a baseball information sense.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only if i can evade the banning effort...
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 23, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTGTD has quite the constituency...
I’m afraid I cannot be the dyke to hold back the flood….
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i understand. what would the wtgtd and larry sandwich look like without you as the bread? ;-)
Half Dome is my bitch. Shasta is next.
by Toonderstrook on Jun 23, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll bring the mayo...wait, what are we talking about?
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MM, are you volunteering to be BAzzled in the azzle?
Mayo-NAISE!
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, i was offering to drizzle on larry and wtgtd
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
larry and wtgtd's azzle, to be accurate.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for the clarification
I would’ve pined all night….
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hate misunderstandings.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who's on TAP for breakfast
tomorrow?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll let you know once i see where frpt and bg open up tomorrow.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh, what's the dog,
what’s the tail? (And “tail” my friend, is higher on the list at age 27.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they're just trying to gather up 2 more pitchforks
and 1 more board with a nail in it.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 23, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Constituency: A group of supporters or patrons.
When did this happen?
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's doing how he do. working by day, perusing sss with his down time.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems like i should have been given credit for something if the comment is gonna be that long.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
George Carlin - for the record (from Chicagotribune.com)
George Carlin, the acerbic, Grammy-winning comedian whose career spanned more than 50 years, died of heart failure Sunday after being admitted to the hospital complaining of chest pains, a hospital spokesman said. He was 71.
Carlin, who had a history of heart problems, died at St. John’s Health Center in Santa Monica shortly before 6 p.m., said his publicist Jeff Abraham.
The comedian, who toured college campuses for years and made a name for himself using dirty language and delivering biting social commentaries, had released 22 solo albums and three bestselling books.
He finished a show at The Orleans in Las Vegas last week and was planning to take the month off to relax and work on a new book of essays and musings, Abraham said.
Carlin normally took summers off and was scheduled to begin touring again beginning with a July 20 performance at Humphrey’s Concerts By The Bay in San Diego. He had dates lined up through December, Abraham said.
“He was looking forward to it,” Abraham said.
Carlin went to the hospital Sunday afternoon because “his heart just didn’t feel right,” the publicist said.
Carlin starred in a variety of TV and movie roles and gained fame for a routine about the seven dirty words that could not be uttered on television.
“There are three ingredients in my comedy,” he said in a 1991 interview with the Los Angeles Times. “Those three things which wax and wane in importance are English language and wordplay; secondly, mundane, everyday observational comedy—dogs, cats and all that stuff; and thirdly, sociopolitical attitude comedy.”
He earned several gold comedy albums and five Emmy nominations.
Carlin was arrested in 1972 in Milwaukee for using indecent language. In a separate case in 1973, a radio listener complained after a station played part of his album. That case went the Supreme Court, which in 1978 ruled in favor of the Federal Communications Commission, saying the radio station could not broadcast those words at times when children could be listening.
Last year, he said a highlight of his career was a 1992 HBO special titled “Jamming in New York.”
“That was the point where I probably became more of a writer who performed his own material.
“The material became more like essays, they became more socially conscious, and it was just a major jump from being what I think of as only an entertainer to being an artist-entertainer,” he said in a 2007 Times interview.
Last year, Carlin released “George Carlin: All My Stuff,” a 14-DVD collection of his HBO specials from 1977 to 2005. He had shown no signs of slowing down.
Just last week, the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts announced Carlin would be awarded the 11th annual Mark Twain Prize for American Humor.
The center is scheduled to honor Carlin at a tribute performance by former colleagues on Nov. 10, which will be broadcast later on PBS. Actor and comedian Billy Crystal won last year’s Mark Twain prize.
Carlin was born May 12, 1937, in the Bronx and grew up in New York.
He is survived by wife Sally Wade; daughter Kelly Carlin McCall; son-in-law Bob McCall; older brother Patrick Carlin; sister-in-law Marlene Carlin and longtime manager, business partner and best friend Jerold Hamza. Carlin’s first wife, Brenda, died in 1997.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like Lenny Bruce
or someone like that
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, similar...but more of a "hippie"
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lenny was basically his
mentor. Carlin was arrested in the 60’s when Bruce was arrested for is obscenity. Your article doesn’t mention that Carlin had three NON-fatal heartattacks in his life due to the fact that he snorted more than a blizzard of snow. The fourth and final heart attack got him…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Trib was just being nice.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lesson for us all..."Don't do drugs"
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got to 71
And was successful while doing it, I’m not sure he’s really a good example of why people shouldn’t do Drugs.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm 45. Dying at (i.e. "getting to") 71 isn't all that appealing to me.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
71 is about the life expectancy of males right now
Not unusual to see him shuffle off the mortal coil. Weird, though – both of my folks were born a year earlier, and I just cooked dinner for their greedy appetites last night. Hard to think of them moving on one of these days.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't it 78?
the folks in FL surely threw a party when they heard this!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said about..
71 isn’t that far off of the average I’m sure. It fluctuates based on region, race, etc.. too. Unless we want to look at Carlin’s history & family, it’d be hard to say the actual expected average, 71 seems fair enough considering WU only said, “About the life expectancy..”
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is if you are 45
Not for the folks who are already there.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure most people would like to live past 71, but dying at 71 isn’t a tragedy or an example of why Drug use is dumb. The guy lived a relatively long life, was very successful, was very intelligent, and used drugs. I can’t see how that’s a lesson for anyone to not use drugs. If he died at 41 or 51 or became less coherent with time, I’d agree with you.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he had just about the most clear-minded and
intelligent perspective on life….and he knew how to articulate it.
There are perfectly sober writers/comedians who can’t say half of the things he did – or notice the nuances of this world like Carlin did.
His analysis of the English language alone is mind-boggling.
I don’t care how many drugs he did. He was sharp beyond any dulling that drugs could possibly influence.
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure he lived the healthiest life
with 4 heart attacks and all…maybe could have lived a little longer and more fulfilling life with less drugs??
Most people who fight addictions like he did don’t really put a positive spin on life…
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is even questioning how fulfilling his life was?
He did and saw more life than most of us could even imagine.
And through whatever drug use, he still had his head in a better spot than your average joe.
If you read any of his stuff you could see that not only was his life fulfililng, but his head was so far OUTSIDE of his asshole, that we all could learn a helluva lot from his observations.
I’d rather live 71 (or 50!) fulfilling years, than 80 or 85 boring ones where I kept my mouth (and my mind) shut.
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather you live 85 fulfilling ones. 71/50/85 ain't mutually exclusive
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...we saw a Sox WS! We can all die happy!
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You probably won't feel that way when you're 71
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't know 'til I get there.
“Live fast, die young and make a good-looking corpse.”
Right Chiburb?
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicky Romano, Knock On Any Door.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am questioning it
He entered rehab for drug and alcohol addiction at the age of 67. How fulfilling was that?
I am not arguing that the man was a very intellectual human being who was an artist at putting observations and political insight into his comedy routines and very articulate in that sense. I am questioning what he could have been had he not been so messed up on drugs and alcohol.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not as insightful? Not as funny?
Amazing how some ballplayers did so well on coke, greenies, or juice.
And how some lost their edges when the cleaned up. Carlin kept his.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your stance
is coke and alcohol are to comedians as steroids/PHD’s are to ballplayers?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
His point (not stance) is that Carlin was above the drugs.
by homesickalien on Jun 23, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that who are any of us to judge the totality of another's work?
who’s to say that what made him/them use drugs wasn’t part and parcel of what made him/them genius in the work?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy
1. Judging is a part of life. People judge you I am sure, your boss?! Your wife? Your in-laws? You judge others…the players on the White Sox??
2. If he needed drugs to make him a genius, that is really sad. That is like saying…don’t judge Barry Bonds because he took steroids, that is what made him who he was!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're either being intentionally obtuse, or you're
arguing to be arguing.
Either way, last attempt, Belushi was a comedic genius. I’m saying that the drug use that killed him is part of the totality of him that allowed/created his genius. And I’m saying there are athletes for whom the same is/was true.
You’re like my wife: I toss my thought out there and she conflates it “condoning Bond’s steroid use”.
So go ahead and judge, God. If drugs ain’t for you, fine. They are for others, and many of those others have brought me much joy in comedy, music, and sports.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Wraps necktie around bicep,
holds it in his teeth, pulls it tightly, injects. Trades. Loses $5000. Injects again. Trades. Makes $10,000.
Maintains opinion.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's it, i'm closing the blinds to my office.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have infrared, bro.
All seeing. Commando.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: You’re like my wife
oh snap!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
that was pretty harsh. Argue and debate about a subject, but then get compared to someone’s wife? Not relevant.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither
I am just saying that his life may have been just as inciteful without the drugs. Artistically do drugs open ones mind and make them better, sure. Athletically do drugs create an advantage to a player to make them better than their competition, sure. Does that make my life more enjoyable, no.
Does this grow demons in their lives…sure. Ask Marion Jones and Barry Bonds. Ask Chris Farley.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In some rare cases, DRUGS = PRESERVATIVE
Just ask Keith Richards
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks great
and hjas a stable marriage. Who’da thunk it?
He’s pickled, you know.
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by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*has*. Sigh.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a pretty huge distinction between sports and art in this regard.
One has rules, the other doesn’t.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 23, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave Barry out of this
He still had to hit a round ball with a spheric bat, no matter how big his muscles were/are. IMO who cares if these guys kill themselves to be superior athletes… It’s their lives. I know for the sake of records and record books that we hope that all records are to be legit, but who knows what kind of animal steroids people were taking in the 60’s and 70’s. Just because there is more scrutiny and press today does not mean that the old records are sacred by any means
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one feel cheated
You spend money and time in something that you love only to find out that it is smoke and mirrors.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a survivor of said era
chemistry wasn’t nearly as efficient as it is today, especially sports-related. Greenies were the thing, and of course John Barleycorn. Lots of stuff to rub on your shoulder/arm, but little to be ingested.
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by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do people of Ruth's era
feel cheated as well? Considering he was a man playing against little leaguers? Home runs don’t mean all that much to me, yeah they are flashy and spontaneous but I would rather see a guy hit .350 with 25 home runs than a guy hit 260 with 50 home runs. I think someone taking a shot at Dimagio’s hit streak or Ted Williams batting .400 is much more interesting than McGwire and Sammy obliterating Maris’ record.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More singles right?
No, I don’t think the people in Ruth’s ERA feel cheated…he was a heck of a ballplayer, who did it without PED’s. He was just better than the competition by a longshot – Jordan, Woods, Sanders, Russell….that crowd. Not Bonds who did it by using Balco.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby my point about
Barry is that he was playing against pitchers who were roiding. I think it gives a pitcher more of an advantage than a hitter… Bonds was a great player before balco and a great player afterwards… I would not necessarily say he was a “better” player after the PED’s, if anything he became more of a one dimensional guy. He got to big and creeky to really be of any help in the outfield, and he became slow. He was viewed as a better player though because of the fan’s and media’s infatuation with the long ball. So maybe I could make a case that he was actually worse off by taking PEDS.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was unreal on the PED's
OPS
2001: 259
2002: 268
2003: 231
2004: 263
Previous high was 205 in 1992.
He was 10-years older and a ton better – chemicals did that to him. He was a better all around player when he was younger, but he became a monster at the plate after Balco.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure he slugged a little better
but did the PEDs make his vision and or knowledge of the strike zone better? I am just saying that yes it does look like he became a much better player over night… but in reality he sacrificed 2 dimensions of his game for it. SO yes of course he was a better hitter but can we say he was a better all around ball player? I have no clue how to calculate his value as a 5 tool player as opposed to a great 1 tool player.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
acutally 3 dimensions
i forgot watching him try to throw with those huge ass arms that had no range of motion after he ballooned up.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on trends
when 2001 hit his skills would have started to erode anyways. he put together another 4 solid years of hitting. As a 36-40 year old player on PED’s he was an MVP…without the drugs, he wasn’t going to be a 5 tool player anyways.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it may be a little rhetorical
to ask ourselves how much his skills WOULD have eroded. I guess the real question is how fast those skills would have eroded off of a 200lb 36 year old and a 275lb 36 year old. U see what I am saying? I think this will continue to be a great debate among HOF voters.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um, but than what competition
how would ruth fare with the inclusion of negro players. perhaps i’m playing devil’s advocate, but need a more comprehensive approach when defining ‘era’
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 24, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Religion convinced the world that there’s an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there’s 10 things he doesn’t want you to do or else you’ll to to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He’s all powerful, but he can’t handle money! [...] I’ve begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It’s there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There’s no mystery, no one asks for money, I don’t have to dress up, and there’s no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate. [...] Religion is sort of like a lift in your shoes. If it makes you feel better, fine. Just don’t ask me to wear your shoes. And let’s not nail the lift to the natives’ feet.”
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiburb you should youtube zeitgiest
the greatest story ever told…
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Piling onto the Cheat-love bandwagon
Thanks for offering up daily (or almost daily) doses of perspective, we can all use some from time to time. Today’s gift is also greatly appreciated, although I think SSH could certainly use some perspective as well, that or tranquilizers.
I watched a grand total of none of the games this weekend (a friend’s bbq complete with Don Q mojitos was just too good to leave yesterday evening), so I’m not all that concerned about the goings on with the Sox. As with a lot of others, I didn’t think the team would be so competitive this year, so it’s nice to see them doing as well as they are. I hope they can make the playoffs, but wouldn’t be destroyed if they didn’t.
One annoying thing about this weekend’s series was getting a text from a sCrUBs fan friend last night asking me where to send the broom. I texted him back that he can keep it to remember last week’s series against the Rays.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 23, 2008 12:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't going to come to the site today
but I’m glad I did. Perspective is very important. Cheat, you’re the best. And it’s still nice to be in first place. First place. Come on!!! (Please read “Come on!!!” with best Job impression from Arrested Devlopment).
by palehose67 on Jun 23, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
should should should should should should shoul shou shou shou shou sh shs sh sh sh sh
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE'S GOT BEES!
Gob gets tackled
Lucille (calmly): They don’t allow you to have bees in here.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donny: Are these the Nazis, Walter?
Walter Sobchak: No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there’s nothing to be afraid of.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
say what you will about the tenets of national socialism; at least it's an ethos!
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about he sends his broom
so he gets BAzzled in his own azzle?
If larry never posts again he has given me the gift of that statement. And I am grateful.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
To rhythm.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring me up to speed here, please
Did larry say he was never posting again? What the hell happened over the weekend?
I thought about telling my buddy to get BAzzled in his azzle, but went for what I thought was the more witty of the two comebacks. If the Sox tank it again next weekend, I’ll use your comment.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 23, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well you are more clever than me
I’m direct and scatalogical. Crude.
larry expressed weariness Friday night, IIRC, and intimated he might take a break. Since some of the best and brighest opinions reside on the site I would guess he’ll be back (I bet he’s twitching as we speak), but I have no special insight.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's only a matter of time until my addictive insights get him fiending for a fix.
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't watched any games
until yesterday. Notified the wife I was off kid duty starting at 7 PM (watched ‘em most of the day). Got a beer, plate of food. Plopped down and Javy throws 8 straight balls. The rest was history. At the end I was thinking that was not fun.
But today is a new day. We’re still in 1st place. I’m going to the game friday. Cubs are below .500 on the road. Life’s good.
by bhoov on Jun 23, 2008 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, Great Post Cheat.
1. Re: Perspective. I agree it’s important, but complicated. Example: I turned off the game when Javy walked Fukudome on 4 pitches to lead off the game, and didn’t turn it back on for any extended period until the Sox were down 4 with no shot to come back. It was painful to watch, and I figured, why depress myself? Once they were down 4, it was “safe” to watch again, since there was virtually no shot they would come back, and if they did, it would have been awesome. Is that perspective? I don’t know. I was not depressed, but I was also (some would say, including maybe me) a crappy fan. Perspective in sports is quite the Catch-22—when you’re watching a bunch of strangers with whom you probably have very little in common playing a kids’ game, rooting for clothes, wouldn’t true “perspective” argue for stopping altogether? After all, what’s the point of wasting 3 hours a day doing that if you’re not going to be passionate about it?
2. Re: SSH. I’m hoping today’s absence is mutual - i.e., he decided he needed a break from the site too. There is nothing wrong with pessimism - I suspect that most of us, as Sox fans, are generally pessimistic (otherwise, we’d be Cub fans), and in my experience, thoughtful people tend to be pessimistic. I don’t generally have a problem with SSH—his debates with Larry, Colin and virtually everyone else are usually fun reading and Lincoln-Douglasesque (actually, just exchange the word “slavery” for “Walker”, and it’s practically verbatim). Some of the stuff over the past couple days was more over the line, but hey, it’s Cubs-Sox and it’s the Internetz.
3. Re: The Team. At this time, in this place, the Sox are just not as good as the Cubs. This is not a crime—the Cubs look like the best(est) team in baseball this year, and are just brutal (in the good way) at home. Certainly they have played better against the Sox than anyone else to this point. Thankfully, they are not in our division, and the biggest “threat”, by games behind, has Livan Hernandez for an ace. I agree the Tigers are more of a concern.
/Insanely long post.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 23, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any of you radio listeners catch Farmio and Stoney say...
(and I’m paraphrasing)
Farmio (with a note of sarcasm in his voice): “There’s quite a disparity between the Cubs’ home record and road record. I wonder why that is.”
Stoney (also with a hint of sarcasm): “Yes, I wonder.”
Were they inferring the Cubs indeed are stealing signs and thus gaining a home advantage?
Inquiring minds want to know.
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Stealing Signs
is this against the rules of Baseball or does some kind of ‘gentlemens agreement’ exist so teams do not do it?
many thanks
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 23, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allegedly the Cubs have spies in the scoreboard with binoculars...allegedly
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Baseball Digest, 2002:
“To be honest with you,” former Cy Young Award winner Steve Stone said, “sign-stealing used to be much more of an art than it is now. But as long as you are not stealing signs from the scoreboard, using a camera or something, then you are stealing legitimately.”...
“The 1984 (division-winning) Cubs were as good a team as I saw doing that,” Stone said. (Emphasis added)
“That” is not defined in the article as the “legit” or “non-legit” method.
Interesting.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 23, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Legitimate stealing
I have cousins who use that rationalization as their life’s motto.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AEG:
Look at the date of initial publication at the end – 6/1/2001. What happened 3+ months later? That’s right, 9/11.
Draw your own conclusions.
All I’m saying is – don’t steal signs. Or lives are ruined.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good God, Man, You're Right.
Now, to report this to the appropriate authorites …
/types furiously … hits Send. 30 seconds pass.
Hmmm, I wonder who that can be knocking at my door. Ah, only one way to find out—I shall rise from my chair and answer. Certainly, there is nothing unusual about heaving knocking at this hour with what appears to be a truncheon … there should be no need for me to look before opening ,,,
Why hello nice men in dark suits, jackboots and flag pins, whatever are you doing with that large cudgel …
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 23, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see now
so they knew that Vasquez was going to throw the first 8 pitches outside the Strike ball Zone, that’s clever.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jun 23, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. AJ called for "way out of the strike zone" and the Cubs knew it was coming
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will never blame an opposing team for stealing signs.
We should have a more intricate sign system. Sign stealing is a weak excuse… everybody does it, especially the Sox.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox used
to blame the Indians back in the late 90’s.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jun 23, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like the sox have an excuse for everything
this is why the cubs are so much better! ut o, I dont want the SSH treatment!
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did catch Belle corking a bat though
and Jason Grimsley was climbing through the Cell’s vents to steal the bat back!
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get a "Ban Toonderstrook for a Day" day???
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you guys can forget the Cubs series,
can we forget the Twins sweep? :-(
Have the Dodgers lost yet?
by DbacksSkins on Jun 23, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah that was surprising to me.
With CQ u might have scratched out 1 game.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh....
we outscored them 7-1 in 24 innings.
In the other three innings, they outscored us 17-0.
The fact that our young guys had never played at the Metrodome was a big deal, too.
Have the Dodgers lost yet?
by DbacksSkins on Jun 23, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well..
We out scored the Cubs in game two outside of an inning where they scored 10 runs.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then
you understand exactly where I’m coming from…. :-P
Have the Dodgers lost yet?
by DbacksSkins on Jun 23, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the loss column?
They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?
by MarketMaker on Jun 23, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a good time to express hubris
Rather, empathy.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 23, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me tell you something about the Metrodome
they turn the blowers on when the D-backs are up to bat.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do that usually?
Have the Dodgers lost yet?
by DbacksSkins on Jun 23, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
They do it to the sox all the time…
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 24, 2008 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's almost assuredly full of crap
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 24, 2008 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure
CQ’s greatness hurts a lot more then the Twins beating you did in the long term.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 23, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SALT . IN . WOUND
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.....
there’s a reason he’s not allowed to be named at the ‘Pit.
Have the Dodgers lost yet?
by DbacksSkins on Jun 23, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great rules.
1.
2.
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
::confoozled::
Have the Dodgers lost yet?
by DbacksSkins on Jun 23, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The crazy thing is we hit reasonably well over the weekend - .283 AB, .333 OBP.
Cabrera, 0.286 0.286
Pierzynski, 0.143 0.143
Dye, 0.385 0.385
Swisher, 0.364 0.462
Crede, 0.091 0.167
Quentin, 0.500 0.615
Wise, 0.500 0.625
Anderson, 0.200 0.200
Thome, 0.333 0.333
Uribe, 1.000 1.000
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clearly All Uribe's Fault.
Can’t he even hit better than 1.000? Ugh.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 23, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he's fat
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 23, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cabrera and AJ, outside of his HR, had a few really terrible ABs
OC had how many 1 or 2 pitch ABs? 6?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Crede didn't help matters much either
The offense helped out Marquis and Lily pitch reasonably well with some easy 123 innings by just hacking away at some shitty pitches.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 23, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crede's swing is off again
it’s just how he rolls.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jun 23, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On th off-topic, but very intriguing front....
Baseball Prospectus today includes 17 year old Juan Silverio in its ten pack….bottom line is that he’s off to a great start and has a phenomenol combo of speed, power and athleticism which is projectable as an all-around middle infield talent who should be able to stay at ss.
by dantesox on Jun 23, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will he be ready by Friday?
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on Jun 23, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
College World Series finals
Monday, June 23
Game 1—Fresno State (45-30) vs. No. 8 Georgia (44-23-1), 7 p.m., (ESPN2/ESPN360)Tuesday, June 24
Game 2—No. 8 Georgia (44-23-1) vs. Fresno State (45-30), 7 p.m., (ESPN/ESPN360)Wednesday, June 25
Game 3—No. 8 Georgia (44-23-1) vs. Fresno State (45-30) (if nec.), 7 p.m., (ESPN/ESPN360)
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 23, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
<--- Rooting for Beckham
But I would like to see Fresno state upset the CWS.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On an unrelated note
Judge Mathis just tore this guy a new one because he called Mathis a “Celebrity Judge”.
"I would rather have a battalion of German soldiers in front of me than a platoon of French soldiers behind me."
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 23, 2008 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's not since today
WE FORGET ABOUT THE SOX! My blood pressure went from 175/120 yesterday to 114/74 today.
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