Sox Road Skid Snapped

by The Cheat on Jun 25, 2008 12:32 AM CDT in Recaps Comment 265 comments

Mark Buehrle worked quickly, his defense made some great plays behind him, and the offense looked like it had a plan against Derek Lowe to give the White Sox their first road victory in June.

The Sox road woes started with well-pitched games lost on walk-off homers thanks in large part to the lack of clutch hitting, and only got worse as they got completely pantsed in the weekend games at Wrigley. So, it was a nice surprise to see the Sox hitters have a solid plan of attack early against Lowe. The first three batters loaded the bases with hits back up the middle as Lowe tried to establish his sinker. Lowe limited the damage by striking out Jermaine Dye, who got his revenge with an 8th inning HR, on a series of sliders, allowing a sac-fly to Nick Swisher and throwing the ball anywhere near the plate to Pablo Ozuna. Even though the Sox only scored 1 in the first, it was nice to see the run come from having a concrete plan against an opposing starter.

* * * * *

Last week when I mockingly asked what's wrong with Mark Buehrle, I was not so subtly referring to the improved defense behind him. Buehrle is the Sox most defense-dependent starter, and he didn't have much support in his first handful of starts this season, as demonstrated by this BABIP chart below.

Tuesday night, however, the Sox played impeccable defense, turning 3 double plays, one of which was spectacular, and turning a couple of hard hit balls (along with nearly all of the softly hit ones) into outs. Buehrle took advantage of an occasionally wide strike zone to help record his 1000th career strikeout and to notch his third game (first victory) of the year in 2:10 or less.

Orlando Cabrera had himself a night. He scored the game's first run, then drove in the Sox second run with a clutch 2-out hit following a Buehrle sacrifice. And even though he was credited with his 3rd error of the season (perhaps unjustly), he had a fine day in the field as well.
Cabrera's fine play at SS was overshadowed the amazing double play courtesy of Alexei Ramirez, who ranged into short center field to make a sliding grab of a ducksnort then wheeling around to catch Matt Kemp roaming too far off first base (video).
Dewayne Wise should expect to keep playing after a 3-4 night. He fell only a HR short of the cycle, and though he might not be spectacular at anything, it's nice to actually have a credible threat off the bench. A bench of Hall, Uribe, Wise, and Anderson isn't bad at all. Ozuna, on the other hand...

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ah you're killing me cheat

haha. yours is way more thorough anyway.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 12:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Just leave it... or roll it into the comments here

I had to make mine look pretty, which takes about 10 minutes, otherwise I would have been first

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 25, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

such standards!

but pretty is good

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bullet points

AND a chart.
Cllllasssssy.

by homesickalien on Jun 25, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't forget the insular SEO-minded link structure

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 25, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

are the player links automated?

just wondering

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 25, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope

That’s why it takes a while

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 25, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow

i can’t believe SBN hasn’t done this.

it wouldn’t take much effort to create a script that matches names in a post and replaces them with with a linked name.

$post = $post;
$pattern = array(“John Danks”,”Joe Crede“);
$replacement = array(“a href=http://....>John Danks /a”,”a href=http://....>John Danks /a”);

preg_replace($post, $patterm, $replacement);

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jun 25, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What the eff - a recap from Cheat?

From a West Coast night game?

Oh, wait, we won. NOW I get it. Front-runner.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jerry Manuel got ejected?

Ghandi?

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jun 25, 2008 12:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He's Gangsta Gandhi, now

You never saw Ghandi II?

Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jun 25, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

does it star kal penn?

"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 25, 2008 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nice!

this is one bad motha you don’t want to mess with

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ozzie on who will be the odd man out when PK is back

Manager Ozzie Guillen said Tuesday he’s not so sure backup outfielder Dewayne Wise will be the odd man out, based on Wise’s performance since being recalled two weeks ago, including a 3-for-4 night Tuesday that raised his average to .364.
Guillen also would rather keep 12 pitchers, so the scrutiny could fall on infielders Pablo Ozuna and Juan Uribe, and Guillen admits it’s tough to get at-bats for both.

“Obviously, if that decision had to be made tomorrow it would be tough,” Guillen said. “They’re not going to see too many at-bats. We sat down with Uribe and I explained to him the situation and he took it like a champ. It’s not easy when you’re going to be a free agent … sit on the bench and lose your job and take it the way he’s taking it.”

Link

Both feet on the bandwagon.

by vince_ on Jun 25, 2008 12:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

That's great

I know we’ve (collectively) been clamoring for the Sox to DFA Ozuna, but I didn’t think for a second that they’d actually consider it. I guess the key is whether the Sox trust Uribe as the primary back-up third baseman, as that’s Ozuna’s only real “use” (and I’m using that very liberally) right now. I saw on Jim (on his blog) talking about Uribe at third, and I was in complete agreement. He played there in 2004 a bit (he saw close to 180 innings at third that season) and although my memory probably isn’t spectacular, I don’t remember him looking too terrible third. At the very least, he can’t be any worse than Ozuna is there.

Also - this has been bugging the heck out of me for a while now - is Delwyn Young’s name pronounced exactly how it looks, as in (phonetically) Del-win?

by CWSKeith on Jun 25, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

as opposed to how?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

See Chone.

Pitching, defense, health.

by ballyb on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or Shawon

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would be stunned if Juan Uribe wasn’t a solid back up third baseman defensively. I see no reason to think he couldn’t handle the position. He isn’t a good starting SS, but as a utility guy I find it hard to believe many teams in the league have a better one then Juan Uribe.
I thought our bench would be a weak spot coming into the season but Anderson, Uribe, Hall is a really solid major league bench in my opinion, with Wise being the 25th man as a pinch runner, left handed hitter I think that bench becomes even stronger.
(I still prefer a healthy Fields during the stretch run if that’s a possibility).

by Grinder in Training on Jun 25, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I didn’t think the bench would be nessecarily a weak spot, but they are performing better then I thought they would. One of the better benches in the league IMO

by 815Sox on Jun 25, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In Southern California, Fastball Sinks You!

Trying to get this in before the 50+ crowd heads off to bed..

To start it off, TAEG has you covered if you missed the game thread. Solid effort out of our boys at their glowing machines tonight. If they eventually take over, at least we’ll have gotten some solid utility out of them that’s documented for the ages.

As for the game itself, Buehrle was on his tonight. He managed a 5:2 GO/FO ratio and was really only hit hard on the lone Dodger run of the game, a home run. It was his fourth consecutive start lasting 8 innings and fifth consecutive quality start. Just as Jose looks like his ship may be sinking, Buehrle’s righting his. Such are the vagueries of baseball.

At the plate, Sox hitters started off the game with three straight singles and after JD looked terrible on the first of two K’s, Swish came through with a timely sac fly. After that run and another an inning later, it looked like that’s all the Sox would get and, thanks to Buehrle’s dominance, would need. Lowe’s sinker was nasty and had a 6:1 GO/FO ratio on the evening. He was dealing and it looked like he’d keep the Dodgers close enough to perhaps pull off yet another heartbreaker before JD decided to unsuck.

And unsuck he did with a monster blast to right center in the top of the eighth. And thus were the floodgates open. A Delwyn Young miscue became a Dewayne Wise triple that scored Swish and Alexei scored Wise with a single. Thus, 6-1 and Scott Linebrink relieved Mark to lock down the ninth.

The questions to be answered:

What should we expect from Dewayne Wise going forward? He’s looked like an adept bat handler, to steal a phrase, and the sort of guy I wouldn’t mind hitting ninth. He seems to have some on base skills and hasn’t looked baffled on offspeed stuff. He looks at least as capable as BA at the moment and he’s left handed. I would be quite alright if we DFA’d Ozuna to keep him on the roster.
Three consecutive games versus sinkerballers went relatively well. Should we expect that to continue? Lowe, outside of Brandon Webb, has the best sinker in the game. We were mowed down until JD worked a count. Dempster didn’t look like great shakes and Marquis was obviously quite hittable. I personally think this will be a weakness going forward, but it remains to be seen.
How good are the Twins, really? I say about .500, give or take a few, at best.

verbatim from the post; splitting the thread makes approximately no sense

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 12:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ftr, this was a backing-up-cheat recap

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

my, what a dump.

jeeves (or anybody out this way, really), you going to game 2?

by thatshortkid on Jun 25, 2008 1:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

unfortunately no

I’m back home for the summer but hell, if the Sox are in the playoffs come the fall, I’ll drive out and hit a bar with you

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jun 25, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Btw..

Fitting update on the site’s name.
I’m going to work on getting Vin’s broadcast tonight so I can hear all the glory.

by homesickalien on Jun 25, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

who likes updated win shares?

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/blog_article/win-shares-updated13/

boy, that shitty-ass orlando cabrera just keeps sucking it up big-time in every defensive category.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey, is it Groundhog Day?

Does Punxatawney larry see his shadow today? 6 more weeks of hiding, or can we begin spring?

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm bored

i’ll continue to share links and things i find interesting or provide my for whatever it’s worth thoughts on some topics. but i’ve noticed (as i’m sure others have) that i’ve been spending an inordinate amount of time rehashing things that tom tango or something researched and wrote about last century, or otherwise attempting to combat idiotic posts. i don’t particularly gain from such discussion. i’ve also noticed that many of my favorite posters – those whose opinions i find insightful and challenging – have, i’m sure for a variety of reasons, either stopped posting or otherwise curtailed their posting. there just isn’t a lot that i’m finding interesting to discuss right now or people with which to discuss it. it will probably pass. in the mean time, SSS will largely be a larry’s opinion-free zone. i’m sure many posters are smiling at that.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

:-)

;-)

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is a sad day for SSS.

And it’s time I eat my words on OCab.. still don’t think much of him as a person, but apparently he’s not the worst SS of all time so that’s a plus.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 25, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Glad you replied

How are you gonna stay married when you find out all her tricks in the first year? How do you maintain your friendships if you know their arguments, styles, and strategies? I enjoy your posts and learn something, so it is of benefit to me, but it’s a shame you aren’t feeling like you get anything out of your activity. Mentoring can be exhausting, even if done in a Chainsaw Al Dunlap manner. ;)

But, hell, if you and the other posters referenced (SSH?) are above the level of discourse currently found on the site (yeah, current as of last night) so be it. I am probably the “lardiest” poster and offer little in the way of numbers/perspectives that would pique your interest, so perhaps I am Public Enemy #1. You might enjoy on occasion being a “peer” and not defender of the faith (though perhaps the “peer” group you allude to perhaps has moved on, too, maybe for the same reason). I’d drag over a chair and have a beer. Climb down from the mountaintop – the view’s OK.

But if last night is any indication of the “state of the site” it’ll survive, I’d wager. I got 4 hours of sleep only because the game stopped – I would’ve stayed on just to try and keep up because it was a blast. But it’s the more visceral part of the game, and the relationships (with the team/fans/history) that keep me coming, not because there’s a new way to slice a stat. As Jerry Maguire said when he was dumping Avery, “I’m not looking to make history”. Fortunately for the evolution of the sport and analysis thereof, some (like you, perhaps) are.

So as a Libertarian I applaud your decision to withdraw for reasons of self-interest and would hope at some point you reengage, since it is fun and instructive when you post.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll wait for TAEG to summarize that for me...

;-)

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shoot, Chi. as a trader I know you have the attention span of a gnat ;)

Besides, it’s to larry, and he’s a thorough guy (reading through statutes and contracts requires attention to detail).

But I’m sure AEG can do the approfriate Cliff’s notes. So can I:

1. You think you’re better than me? YOU THINK YOU’RE BETTER THAN ME?
2. IT’S GO TIME! Wait….
3. larry! Pa’s got things for you to do, and Mother wants you…. (wants you…wants you)... I know she does…....(she does…)
4. LARRY! LARRY!!!!!! COME BACK!!!!!
5. Bye, larry….

(sniff)

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah. That's what I thought. Now if only I could figure out what "REENGAGE" is...

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the importance of the hyphen has never been so clear.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

F-U

Where is WTGTD when you need him?

You POS.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

trying out all of chiburb's hard "boiled" egg tips, perhaps?

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Does he have a recipe for “Eggs, Danny Thomas-Style”?

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm not sure it necessarily has to do with being "above the level of discourse"

though there is some of that. i’m just not really seeing anything interesting to talk about extensively at this point (in part, due to where we are in the season). there are some who enjoy dissecting the minutiae of a three or six or twelve game (or one game) stretch. i don’t. and i also don’t, for example, particularly enjoy being badgered excessively about an opinion i rendered and being asked, implicitly or otherwise, pretty much everyday whether my opinion has changed because, in the last 72 hours, one team has lost a few games while another has won some. it’d be a silly discussion and one that would be had simply for the sake of having it. and i’m certainly not objecting to the lardy banter that goes on here. some (many?)people in the past have seemingly taken issue with my propensity to post my thoughts on “everything” or the fact that, when i do discuss something, i usually like to delve deeply into the matter and probe the content and underpinnings of the two, or more, sides. if i’m going to constructively criticize how others post and suggest improvements, i should follow the goose-gander philosophy, as well. perhaps by limiting myself to “more quality, less quantity” (for lack of a better term) i’ll annoy less and at least appear to provide more.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cold turkey... its the only way

The place is in your blood – if you still add content you’ll not be able to leave. The lull of the sweet discourse will force you to return. Try as you might, unless your family called for an intervention you are still hooked. After all – first one is free.

by Brush Back on Jun 25, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn, sorry I missed that one

Although I was fortunate enough to watch the A’s vs. Phillies contest. Quite an entertaining game, from my point of view.

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Jun 25, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hope you're not gone long, Lar.

I appreciate your insights very much. I certainly undestand the desire not to constantly rehash the same old stuff. But somethng new will pop up. It’s baseball, after all. There’s always somethng we’ve never seen before.

by palehose67 on Jun 25, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What is a win share?

is that like points in a fantasy league?

many thanks

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no

a way to measure a player’s overall performance. the site has a glossary which defines these terms. i’m sure they’d do a better job explaining than i.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't like the layout of this site

very old fashioned, also I’ve just done a search for glossary to find out about ‘Win Shares’, and it came back with R Gload, Kansas City.

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thank you

I’ll digest that later, i think the Sox did very well getting OC when all over the Winter they were linked with that Eckstein bloke, who is not in the same class at SS in my opinion.

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Hoodlight

Are you a fan of the new Dr Who?

Optimist

by Peder on Jun 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've seen a couple

it’s very good family entertainment, but I’m not that big on TV to be honest, I even thought the Sopranos was rubbish

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sopranos dislike is surprisingly not that rare

I liked it, but I wasn’t one of those who considered it the best show ever, just because there way too many episodes that were a giant waste of time. If you’re only going to have 12 episodes in a season, there should never be filler.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Felt like I’d wasted an hour more then a few times when nothing of importance happened during an entire episode.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 25, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty cool with having skipped out on the Sopranos

and having taken up the Wire instead.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

HBO is screwed now anyways

If you haven’t seen Weeds, Dexter, or Californication yet you need to get cracking.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dexter was pretty decent and Weeds is solid

but Showtime hasn’t done anything close to what HBO has done. Why’s HBO screwed? Because they don’t have a hit show right now? It won’t be long. Their track record is as good as bloody Pixar’s.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I meant as of now

FOTC is a fine show, but John from Cincinnati was dreadful. I also forgot that they still have Entourage, which could air for 20 years and people will still consider it the funniest thing ever.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree on FotC

But I reckon that’ll go this season and then next season tops

Entourage was great, but they have a lot of work to do after the last season.

Weeds is fantastic, Dexter is very good too, so advantage Showtime.

If you asked me prior to last season, I say adv HBO

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jun 25, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

FOTC is brilliant and hilarious and brilliant

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm looking forward to Generation Kill

The book is very good, and its Ed Burns and David Simon writing.

Both feet on the bandwagon.

by vince_ on Jun 25, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dexter is also very entertaining.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the wire is awesome, but the sopranos is every bit as enjoyable, imo. pretty much neck and neck for me in best tv drama ever.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe, but i doubt sopranos has the relevance or the vision

i say that without having seen it, of course. but i just can’t believe that someone finally laying out all that’s gone to shit in America’s non-cosmo cities isn’t, at least, of far more utility.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, i watch both shows for entertainment.

but sopranos has received an overwhelmingly positive response from ‘connected’ guys who watched the show. so if believability or cultural accuracy is of value, then it is of utility, too. i’m not gonna argue for sopranos or against the wire, but i also see no point in comparing them. they are both incredibly entertaining and original shows, and we are far better for having both around.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that Sopranos

is far too ‘stylised’ for me, 1 and 2 series ok, after that a bit boring. I’ve downloaded the Wire but I can’t be arsed to watch it.

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sopranos was a breath of fresh air

In terms of creativity, and the risks they took with the show. I just wish they took the storyline a bit more seriously in particular episodes.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which is why Homocide was such a good show

I was too young to watch it as a kid, but I rented some DVDs from the library, and holy shit for a network cop show, it’s pretty damn good, better than NYPD Blue, certainly better than Law and Order.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

site design?

hoodlight, what specifically don’t you like about the site? When I type Win Shares into our search engine, I get a series of articles about the subject. I don’t care if the site is “old fashioned”, but I do want it to be functional.

by studes on Jun 25, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

THT does a great job

guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agree

site’s design is fine studes

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the font

it hurts my eyes

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Black hurts your eyes?

You can always zoom in.

by Ozzie Montana on Jun 25, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

What about the font hurts your eyes? It’s sans serif, like many sites (including this one).

by studes on Jun 25, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

q

is in the top ten among outfielders, nice

"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 25, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cabrera has been awesome lately

He’s even got his OPS+ up to 86!

by madvillian on Jun 25, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hitting has improved dramatically across the board.

last 28 days, team hitting .299/.356/.513/.869. still not enough singles for some folks’ tastes, i’m sure.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Certainly not enough singles for my taste, that's for sure

BTW, you should know that the only statistic that’s worthwhile is that first number, .299.

Or do you think you wrote moneyball or something? ;)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

by rhythm on Jun 25, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is 28 days just a cherry picked number

or is that after a significant change?

He was banned for today partly because he uses bad words (in a mean way; unlike everyone else who only use them when absolutely necessary in order to fight the terrorists)

by whitesoxmatt on Jun 25, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

neither.

baseball reference splits by season, 7 days, 14 days, 28 days, and 365 days.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

just used that information to look at floyd

He was banned for today partly because he uses bad words (in a mean way; unlike everyone else who only use them when absolutely necessary in order to fight the terrorists)

by whitesoxmatt on Jun 25, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The "Treadmill to Nowhere" reminded me of this (for some reason):

Keys that jingle in your pocket,
Words that jangle in your head
Why did summer go so quickly?
Was it something that you said?
Lovers walk along the shore
And leave their footprints in the sand
Is the sound of distant drumming
Just the fingers of your hand?
Pictures hanging in a hallway
And the fragment of a song
Half-remembered names and faces,
But to whom do they belong?
When you knew that it was over,
You were suddenly aware
That the autumn leaves were turning
To the colour of her hair

A circle in a spiral,
A wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever spinning reel
As the images unwind,
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

WTF were you smoking last night?

That doesn’t sound like MY Moody Blues…

Actually, it does, lyrically.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But that was yesterday, and yesterday's gone...

You DID see Cheat’s new subtitle for SSS, right? I don’t know why, but I was reminded of these lyrics when I saw it.
I notice you stayed up for the game last night… did you get a nap in at work?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not yet - will bail at 4 today.

Was here at 5:50 this AM – almost like a trader am I.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're really trying to pick up the slack for some of our veterans' absence, aren't you?

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beckham

Any word or thoughts of him holding out this summer on his contract? Just wondering and haven’t heard too much about it.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 25, 2008 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

College World Series

Once it concludes tonite, we can start negotiating with him. It’s prohibited before then.

Caulk the wagon.

by rebstock on Jun 25, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jun 25, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Miss Manners says:

What she suggests that you stop doing is haranguing people who are trying to do their jobs properly…

Sage advice for us all.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

miss manners might want to take a look in the mirror. she's such a bossy bitch.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And how was this one missed?

Dear Miss Manners: I am a baseball fan, but my enjoyment is spoiled by the distasteful spitting by players, coaches and even umpires.

Please tell your readers (I hope many players too) that their habits are gross, not appreciated and a very bad example to kids. Ditto for the probable underlying causes, including chewing tobacco, seeds or what ever else they chew. They can relieve their anxiety or boredom with a stick of gum (not bubble) if necessary. The TV broadcasters could use a little common sense too, by not capturing the spitting on close-ups. Will you help?

Her reply here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/columnists/advice/chi-miss-manners-judith-martin-0jun18,0,6097296.column

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nor does [larry] want to take on the task of refining [SSS], which does not strike [him] as a promising proposition.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and i'm glad that this can be considered at least one positive contribution on my part.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and by "this" i mean introducing the entertainment of miss manners to a wider audience

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indubitably.

I was going to address the post to you, but I was afraid you wouldn’t respond. That would’ve left me in WU’s category of lardiness and ruined my day.

No response required (he said defensively).

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

to clarify

if you’re concerned with looking lardy or otherwise wasting your time, what i likely will not reply to are sox/baseball related posts. like, don’t expect me to get into a relative merits discussion on the previous thread regarding what i posted about wise. but if you want to know where/what some info is (see my replies to hoodlight above) or want to engage in some lardiness, i may reply. and who knows when i’ll lift the embargo on baseball discussion so go ahead and try that, too, if you want. basically, i just don’t want to get into baseball debates right now.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know, I read (and understood) you the 1st time.

Only an attempt at humor, nothing more.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, how 'bout those Sox?

You POS.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm watching last nights ball game on MLB.TV

and it’s the first time I’ve heard Vin Scully commentate (although I knew about him). The bloke is the dogs, his love for the game and his knowledge is something very special. It makes me wince when i hear his voice advertise cars and stuff; he seems to have that connection to the game going way back. He’s like a US version of John Arlott.
regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you mean he sounds dead?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no not dead

he imparts wisdom and knowledge, I like it

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was larry, not Scully.

I know it’s hard to keep up, but you’ll get the hang of it.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or do you mean you can "hear" Scully say

“The stroke of a man knocking a thistle top off with a walking stick”.

Maybe something gets lost in translation?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no I don't mean that at all

ok he’s a boring old cunt, and I’m asleep after the first 15 pitches

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Glad you clarified that. Now I don't have to ask if you meant:

“Hollies pitches the ball up slowly and …he’s bowled…Bradman bowled Hollies nought…bowled Hollies nought…and what do you say under these circumstances? I wonder if you see the ball very clearly in your last Test in England, on a ground where you’ve played some of the biggest cricket in your life and where the opposing side has just stood round you and given you three cheers and the crowd has clapped you all the way to the wicket. I wonder if you see the ball at all.”

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not trying to compare the games or the words

but they have very similar styles

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

NOW I believe you are English

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

why is that?

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

because home games, for example, start at 1:11 in the morning?

hence you’d be asleep after 15 pitches, right?
WU is convinced, I’m not. Only Cheat knows for sure…

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

3:10 Where I live

I subscribe to MLB.TV so can watch the game whenever I like.

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean last nights game

West Coast games at night can no do, most Sox games start at 1:11 where I live, yes you are very clever.

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because of your colourful use of the "C" word

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i love how dirt that word is in the States

but fairly hohum in England

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jun 25, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i like the letter "u" in WU's "colourful"

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, seriously. what a wanna be.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

video of alexei's dp (PG)

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200806242998891

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nate Silver chat - Central related

538 fan (mpls): Is Sheehan insane? I’m an Indians fan, and I don’t see any way they can be competitive this year. They’re only half a game ahead of the Royals, for heavens sake.

Nate Silver: Sure, but they’re only 1.5 games behind the Tigers…. Seriously, one of the things that makes the Indians’ prospects a little better than they might look on the surface is that a couple of the teams that are out in front of them are a little dubious—I’m starting to buy into the White Sox some but not really the Twins. The Indians remain a team that could bust out with a stretch where they win 21 games in 24 tries or something if everyone on that pitching staff gets hot at once.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Danks

Chris (Chicago): John Danks is having a really nice year for the White Sox, what is his ceiling? Number 2 starter,maybe a 1-2?

Nate Silver: Well, he’s pitched like a #2 this year so by definition I don’t think his ceiling could be any lower than that. PECOTA thinks his ceiling is basically Frank Viola, whom I would classify as a #1.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really kind of spaced out just HOW well Danks has done to this point.

Pesky and stupid win totals get in the way of glamour.
Sox starters VORP:

Danks 25.9
Jose C 14.5
Javy V 12.0
Gavin 11.2
Mark B 10.6

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's sure come a long way since people thought i was making up him developing a cutter, eh.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol, yeah that was an amusing argument

Don’t know what the future holds for Brandon M, but I don’t think people will put up much of a fight on whether it made sense on trading him for Danks.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i asked one of my main adversaries about that recently

and wiz still thinks the sox should have gotten more.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

main adversaries?

me?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

on that one, you were certainly one of the more strident advocates of it not being a very good trade

and when i asked you about it a month or two ago you said your position hadn’t changed much.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here in Dallas

It seems every time Danks pitches he is referred to in the news as ‘former Ranger farmhand’ Danks. From Texas’ standpoint, they feel like they got Mark Prior without the historical upside. It’s listed as GM Jon Daniel’s biggest failures.

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on Jun 25, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

they discuss this trade all the time at the sister site

There is just no nuance
in your brain, is there? Very few trades are black and white, and certainly no scouting assessment is black and white. Who said this deal would be a slam dunk for the Rangers? Even the most ardent supporter of this deal would quickly acknowledge it was risky. Even if McCarthy shows up and pitches lights out, wins 18 games, and becomes an ace the Rangers are still not a contender. Why must people have only up or down views on trades? Why must you paint any trade that’s not an OVERWHELMING success as a complete and utter failure? The truth is there is a huge gray area in the middle that probably 90% of trades fall into. Context, mr. poopy pants, context.

I’m attempting to give a balanced, objective picture of the trade, you’re only interested in flinging poop at the Rangers front office. Fine, no need for further discussion.

...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Jun 25, 2008 3:20 PM CDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/6/25/558386/wednesday-morning-stuff#6970856

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kenny is a hard guy to read, that's for sure

but by and large it seems like dealing with him doesn’t work out. Chris Young is the only one so far that worked out right?

In the very least, KW has a heck of a scouting department, oui?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'll keep my thoughts to myself

but nate silver had some comments on young in his chat today.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He did?

I thought he was referring to Chris B – Pitcher

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

chris r. is the pitcher, chris b. is the center fielder

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just saw that

Wierd reference then. I mean to Bonderman.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just a funky coincidence that for some reason the first PECOTA "failure" that came to mind was a pitcher.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not sure i get why that's weird

makes perfect sense to me.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I tend to think of comparsions as like for like

hitter to hitter, sp to sp, rel to rel, etc. That’s all.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think the relevant comparison was pecota, not position.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Okay I dont care what old folks home you're looking at

What are your thoughts on Chris B and that trade?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.southsidesox.com/2007/12/3/133922/918#2820579

i was never particularly smitten with chris. we’ll see if he develops more. but a .250 eqa isn’t something to write home about. he sort of reminds me of corey patterson.

i would’ve done that trade and still would do that trade everyday of the week.

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dug that trade because it made perfect sense for the team

and, at the time, wasn’t close enough to know who Chris Young “was”. Javy was a nice #2 in ‘06, an ace in ‘07 and appears to be a solid #2 if he can work out some mechanical problems in ‘08.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the season he's having so far...

...really demonstrates how poorly some of the traditional numbers are at representing how a player has performed. his batting average would never be looked up with any regard, but aside from that he is on pace to score 98 runs, hit 42 doubles and 27 long balls, and drive in 84 runs. without the context of his walk rate and his ridiculous strikeout rate and accompanying OBP, you might think he’s having a pretty good year.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

his K rate isn't ridiculous

Jack Cust’s is ridiculous. Young’s is merely bad. His problem appears to be that he just can’t make solid contact enough. He hasn’t had a line drive rate over 17% yet. That’s Uribe-esque.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok, fine. not ridiculous.

but still in the 20 worst in all of baseball for a guy with wheels. maybe that makes it seem more ridiculous. also see 3 of the top 20 play for the d’backs (reynolds and upton the others).

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe we're not the only ones who struggle to develop hitters?

that would be something else, wouldn’t it? in fact, most of the heralded crop of youngins has been something of a disappointment, no? jackson, drew, young, quentin…upton obviously can’t be judged yet, but they seem to have come up short with that crop they had.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

reynolds is alright i guess.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's Josh Fields as far as I can tell

and that’s pretty decent. but reynolds was by far the least heralded of their wee lads, right?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think that's probably right. i don't remember hearing much

about reynolds at all until mid-season last year.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i read up on him after throwing him on my fantasy team last year

so hopefully that makes my recall worthwhile.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was also going on memory rather than having looked it up

Jackson looks like he can be a late career Abreu at first, which isn’t so bad. But now that I’m checking BP’s team audit, how is that team not hitting for more power?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and if we're going by those qualified in K/PA

he’s just outside 20, fwiw, according to first inning.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't know how that would be

if the fangraphs sorting i was using was including unqualified guys that would make him closer to the top than further away.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah that's weird...

looks like they’re using a different definition or something…

fangraphs is probably the better site.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

also, he's hitting about his PECOTA 10th percentile right now

eeesh. at some point, are we going to set up an SSS KW parade? i suppose we ought to wait until after his age 25 season, but it’s looking like KW wins again.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i thought he was referring to the pitcher too

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with him except that it appears the danks-mccarthy trade is not in that 90% and thus justly bitch-worthy.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and don't forget...it wasn't just danks. never forget the magic.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

never believe it's not so.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's Texas.

Nuance consists of expressing slight hesitancy over whether to pick the super-spicy vs. spicy BBQ sauce with your ribs after watching the death sentence get carried out on the TeeVee.

/I kid, I love, blah, blah, blah …

by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 25, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh, you mean adversary 'on this particular topic'

no argument than

and wiz still thinks the sox should have gotten more.

yes

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

more than a #2 starter and a passable reliever?

that’s a big haul for most players, let alone brandon mccarthy.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

at that point? yes

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

mccarthy was seen as a capable #3, correct?

i’m not sure what you’re saying i guess. run it down for me?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

bmac was more in my eyes!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

something of a crush eh?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

STFU

Go into hiding, if you’re going.

GO!

Or stay.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Get your tongue out of my mouth, I'm kissing you goodbye!

or…

How can I miss you if you won’t go away?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

BIG LOL

So, who are you getting high to tonight, Heinz – 1?

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

life. high on life...

actually, larry and I are going to disappear together. He doesn’t know yet, so don’t say anything.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

perhaps the 2 of you are gonna run off to zihuatenejo, shawshank-style.

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frank Violia

Would be fucking awesome and would go down as one of the best KW trades ever. Bmac for the 21st century Frank Viola.

RBI Baseball 2018—featuring the dominant John Danks!

by madvillian on Jun 25, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rebuilding

ChuckR (Addison, IL): White Sox fans have reason to be encouraged this year, but the ‘conventional wisdom’ was that they’d have one last run with the current roster and that’d be it before a massive retooling. Do you think the emergence of Danks/Floyd/Quentin/ARamirez bodes well for a continued run of competitiveness?

Nate Silver: I think, absolutely, there are different kinds of good years. There’s the kind of good year where Paul Konerko is hitting .370 or something, and then there’s the kind of good year where you have three or four guys emerge who all of the sudden look like they’re going to be a big part of your long-term future. This has been that latter kind of year for the White Sox, and while they still have some pieces they’re going to have to exchange, they would also seem to have found the core players that will prevent them from having to suffer through a rebuilding year while doing so.

Then again, 2007 was Kenny Williams’ rebuilding year. He just didn’t want to tell anybody about it.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff, thanks for posting Dogg...

Was this your line or Nate’s:

Then again, 2007 was Kenny Williams’ rebuilding year. He just didn’t want to tell anybody about it.

Thxagain.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

Nate’s but I thought it was a great line also. If it were true that would be the perfect way to get away with it.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nate stole that from joe sheehan, iirc

who was saying that last year during the latter part of the season (again, iirc)

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i might maintain that i got around to saying it too

just can’t remember when or if.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

speaking of paulie

let’s play what if

what if the sox hadn’t given paulie the 5/60 contract after 2005?

what could kenny had done with the money?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

(larry exiting quickly.)

Nice job, adversary! Why not talk BA vs. Owens while we’re at it?

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paid off Wilder to go away quietly?

by madvillian on Jun 25, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how true is that last sentence?

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

did wtgtd get a internship at the tribune?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-25-white-sox-dodgers-chicagojun25,0,5208796.story

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 25, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was a link to the Food section...

you know, egg salad recipes.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So I heard today

that there had been some rumblings around baseball that the cubs have been stealing signs at home and relaying breaking ball/fastball to the hitters from the scoreboard area. I wonder if there is any truth to that?

by Rockraines on Jun 25, 2008 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

link?

Could you be a bit more specific? Where are you hearing this and how credible is the source?

by lod773 on Jun 25, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it'd be easy to tell with pitch f/x

all you have to do is check their home/road whiff rate splits.

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by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Farmio and Stoney

alluded to this type of chicanery during one of the Cubs/Sox broadcasts.

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 25, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Supposedly that kind of shit goes way back with them

so if it’s happened, Stoney would know about it. But like I said, it’s confirmable. Don’t bother with rumors if you don’t want to.

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by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its cool

just wondered if this had popped up somewhere with a recent story.

In baseball especially, if you aint cheatin you aint tryin

by lod773 on Jun 25, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This was addressed over the weekend during the crosstown series

Saturday, maybe. This is basically redundant.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was different

that was balls and strikes, iirc

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by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

though I don't blame you for asking for a link

thats standard blog protocl/courtesy. Especially when accusing a team of cheating.
Hearsay perpetuates the memes, and you’re right to ask for proof.
Keep challenging.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 25, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You read enough of these things

correct on the protocal call. Just didnt want to miss out on anything.. . thats why I asked for a link. This is where I come to mainline my sox, so I didnt want to be out of the loop.

by lod773 on Jun 25, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is that something

you could link to? My investigatory skills in that dept are lacking. . .

by lod773 on Jun 25, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

does anyone use Twitter?

I’m having some ‘issues’ with it.

many thanks

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You may want to try e-mailing or calling the help dept of twitter

I’m sure there’s some sort of contact info you can scrounge up

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jun 25, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is what I posted last night but no one could help

“does anyone do that Joe Cowley twitter thing?

it’s caused me some grief, when i signed up I mistakenly put the mrs’ phone no in instead of my own. I’ve unsubscribed and everything, but she’s still getting text messages about the Sox, it wouldn’t be so bad but they are usually about 4 o clock in the morning. She’s getting very cross with me about it, I think we may have to change the number.

has anyone used this service, and how do you unsubscribe?

many thanks”

I’ve tried the site admins but no one has responded, I’m really in the dog house over this one.

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

one stat line that corresponds with perception and two others that perhaps don't

with all of the perception of the sox being unable to hit in the “clutch” or with runners on, i wanted to see how they were doing at this point relative to american league average.

how the sox have hit with runners in scoring position with two outs falls right in line with perception:

CWS: .206/.299/.307/.606/.251 BABIP
AL: . 239/.347/.368/.715/.283 BABIP

how the sox have hit with runners on and with runners in scoring position, not so much:

RISP
CWS: .287/.360/.467/.827/.314 BABIP
AL: .269/.355/.410/.764/.298 BABIP

Runners on
CWS: .279/.355/.455/.809/.306 BABIP
AL: .274/.349/.421/.770/.305 BABIP

of course, one of the big questions is how much have the few white sox offensive explosions contributed to the well-above average numbers with runners on and RISP. maybe someone without a job will volunteer to find out.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 4:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You don't have to dig that far Toonder

Its been pretty consistent all year. I noticed this earlier and ranted I didnt give a shit if the hit came with 0, 1 or 2 outs. The Tampa games and Ozzie’s tirade made it easy for the media to latch on to this particular point.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hasn't just been the media latching on. i read it here all the time.

as i hardly get to see any of the games anymore like you all do, i don’t have the same backdrop to base perception on…all i have are box scores and the splits. so that’s why i was curious to see what the numbers actually are.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"hasn't just been the media latching on. i read it here all the time."

They want more singles too.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so are you saying...

from watching all of the games, you don’t have the “they never get guys over or get guys in and can’t do anything with ducks on the pond” perception? that’s what i can’t judge because i don’t get to see the games but what i seem to be reading a lot about.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some of what I'm saying is tongue and cheek.

No perception and in reality they could have done a better job and scored more runs. But what Im saying is that would then put the team with the Texas and Bostons of the world. The team should have more wins, no doubt but offensively despite the outcry they are more than fine.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: that would then put the team with the texas' and bostons of the world

that’s what led me to look. it’s one thing to complain because a team isn’t doing something well, but it’s not very meaningful if the team is doing that thing just as well or better as most other teams. hell, without the context of all of the other hitters in the bigs, a .400 on-base percentage (still failing to reach in 60% of your plate appearances) may not even seem very good.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One interesting thing

about this is revealed by comparing MN to the Sox. They have scored almost the same number of runs as us with a much lower OPS. Similar numbers with RISP. But they have been tearing the cover off the ball with RISP 2 outs. Us? as indicated above not so much. I had to think about why that would make such a difference: If you make an out with 2 outs and RISP you don’t get another chance. Those runners are gone. With less than 2 outs you have one or two other opportunities to pick up the runners (unless a double play happens).

by bhoov on Jun 25, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

more to think about.

twins have a .322 BABIP with RISP, 2 outs as opposed to .311 BABIP overall.
sox have a .251 BABIP with RISP, 2 outs as opposed to .284 BABIP overall.

k rate in that situation may explain a teeny bit of that: sox 20%, twins 16%. but what about the rest? luck, approach, or some combination of both?

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

luck.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

might this be that rare place where speed can really be the edge?

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Some of these folks would be better served

arguing the Sox should have scored more runs, vs whether it been a good offense in AL overall. Numbers wise its not debatable. Unless they hit more singles…...

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jun 25, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

damnable singles!

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If that's a shot at me, it makes me want to read it all the less

/Barry Zuckerkorn

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

of course it wasn't a shot at you. it was a half-effort shot at taking that shot at you.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, i couldn't pass up the opportunity to use a direct quote

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Barry: I got Michael out of his marriage, didn’t I?
Michael: Actually she died.
Barry: You’re kidding me. I’ve been taking credit for that for years.
Michael: Credit?

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

somebody has the o-p on speed dial...

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by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Passan on Beckham

at Yahoo

by BustedFlush on Jun 25, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"[T]he heart of Georgia, the emotional, spiritual, vocal and physical leader."

“He did so [signed autographs] for another dozen people over the next 100 feet, all the way to the bus, his uniform still on, his left pantleg caked with dirt on the front and back, his hat moist with sweat from the leftover thunderstorm humidity hovering in the air.”

In the immortal words of George Costanza: I think it moved.

by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 25, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You share that much information again and

I’ll pump you so full of lead you’ll be using your dick for a pencil

by BustedFlush on Jun 25, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He said "pump".

by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hahaha

St Loius knocked in two home runs top of first against Detroit

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thames just got ejected out

for arguing with the empire!

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

crede's back not back; our lonely eyes turn to you pablo

and then ask ourselves, where have you gone josh fields?

Joe Crede was absent from the announced White Sox lineup Wednesday night for the second night in a row with Pablo Uzuna filling in again at third base.

Cabrera ss

Pierzynski c

Quentin lf

Dye rf

Swisher 1b

Ozuna 3b

Ramirez 2b

Anderson cf

Floyd p

i'm retired. don't reply to me. and get off my lawn.

by larry on Jun 25, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Why don't they just say he has something else wrong with him

like an infected toe, if they keep going on about his back it could affect his transfer value

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Jun 25, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

because he has no trade value and the Sox have no love for Boras

not to mention i’m pretty sure there are rules against that.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

crap.

without Crede that lineup all of a sudden has a pungent odor.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

a lot like last night's...

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah pretty much

despite the 6 runs even

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not the lineup.

It’s Crede’s infected toe.

Or perhaps the lingering stench of the BMac/Danks trade.

by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 25, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soxdom clamors for Dominican Fats at 3rd

Hottest Sox fan: Hephaestus, god of fire!

by thecip on Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what are we going to do with a monk at third?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has to play a MI position.

Otherwise the field gets too tippy.

by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 25, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe that's why he can't play at Dodger Stadium

the crowned field throws his center of gravity off

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fault Lines.

by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 25, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, get the eff out of here.

Shane didn’t come back. You are like MJ or MagicJohnson – retiring, then coming back. It’s like the Mafia – you are in or you are out. Can’t be a little preggers as a Sox fan.

You POS.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

can somebody explain to me why ozuna would hit in front of ramirez and anderson? the 6 hole? hello?

They're gonna give daddy the Rain Man suite, you dig that?

by MarketMaker on Jun 25, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't this about cinch it for DFA Ozuna?

I mean, Wise and Anderson have locked down outfield spots and Uribe is the infield utitliy guy. If Joe’s back is acting up (wow, again, his back: who coudl ahve seen that one coming…) then it’s time to get FIelds up here so he can play when Joe needs days off.

by madvillian on Jun 25, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i thought fields is hurt as well?

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he is

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well tickle me pink

Well, time to sign Vinny Castilla

by madvillian on Jun 25, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or stick konerko over there when he gets back.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

disagree

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

forgot the clearly. my bad.

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

click the link!

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what link, soldier?

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it is in the word

disagree

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is this a joke, or did you try to imbed the link in the subject line?

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no, it isn't the subject line! there's no subject and it's a bolded link.

all i was going for was a ridiculously short redirect to “fuck that, dante bichette or nobody” but you really fouled this shit up.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so you click disagree in the most recent reply which leads you to the other disagree which leads to fuck that

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jun 25, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Put a helmet on that soldier!

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

more FMJ.

“this is my rifle, this is my gun. this is for fighting, this is for fun.”

"We've got to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over."

by Toonderstrook on Jun 25, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fire Morgan, Joe?

;)

The first 15 minutes of that movie is effin’ classic. The rest truly blows. Like “True Romance”. I thought we had a classic on our hands after the Hopper/Walken scene, but alas, ‘twas not to be.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jun 25, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs