The Wire...Season 5
by colintj on Jun 30, 2008 2:17 AM CDT
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PrintJust started and so far so good. I think I see conceptually where it's headed, but that makes me doubt myself. In the very least, I'm pretty good at reading the internal logic of the show at this point. Jimmy, fwiw, is doing his best to get me to hate him. Can't fuck around on Beadie and then fuck with a murder investigation, dude. And, as I'm only two episodes in, Omar's name has only just been mentioned. I eagerly await his return.
As long as you guys don't spoil shit for me, share your thoughts plz.
**EDIT**
LESTER IS GOING TO GET IN ON THIS TOO??!
**EDIT2**
Episode 8 was some of the best damn television I have ever seen. Some utterly brilliant juxtapositioning/editing.
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I love the Wire
but I don’t want to skew your perception, so I’ll keep quiet.
Both feet on the bandwagon.
the butler did it "yo"
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 25, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i found the season overall to be entertaining
some great fucking lines, especially those coming from the lips of state senator davis. BUT, i think the media angle blew. the characters from that side were not complex as from the other institutions represented in the show.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 25, 2008 4:24 PM CDT reply actions
and by the way
maybe beadie ain’t doing her best to satisfy her man
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 25, 2008 4:25 PM CDT reply actions
Amy Ryan is hot
and i’ll have none of that.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
bleaching her hair
wasn’t a real turn on for me ;)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 26, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
"I think I see conceptually where it's headed, but that makes me doubt myself."
Buddy you have no freaking idea…....lol
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
I think season 4 was a tighter storyline
But Season 5 was just so fucking crazy…and yet plausible.
David Simon has devoted much time trying to defend the seemingly one-sided portraral of his newsroom characters (dichotmized into villians and heros too easy for such a show about shades of gray). I find his defenses interesting, but I think Simon, like most great geniuses eventually do, perhaps just ran out of ideas in the 5th season, and took an easier route to viewer satisfaction.
Seriously, that’s the great thing about season 5—everyone was like ” I know where this is going” and yet nobody really knew anything.
You know that has bothered me a lot too
The newsroom guys are kind of tacked on. It’s interesting that the place where he has arguably the most experience he’s the least nuanced and subtle about. Which is what makes them annoying, because every time that weasely ass dude who just makes shit up comes on screen, I groan. I mean even Burrell gets some time where I think “you know, he isn’t all bad”. But so far we’ve got the money/profits/whatever side and the side that can do actual news reporting. It makes me wonder how accurate that portrayal is. Maybe this story was just too close to his heart? It’s the aspect of the show that I’ve seen the least interview questions for, so maybe he is getting a free pass given the rest of the awesomeness?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Another thing that just occurred to me
how is it that Simon can bring on so many fantastic black or latino or whatever actors, but the cable and network shows can’t manage to cast more than one per show?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
burn hollywood burn
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 26, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
does that answer your ?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 26, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
HBO recycles
all the actors on the show are great, but many of them have been on HBO before. mainly on OZ, go figure
Your correct to an extent
Look at Season 4 though… where do you think all those kids came from… Baltimore.
Joseph Stewart (Prop Joe) actually runs a Child’s Acting theather and served as the acting coach on for them.
I’d say the Wire brought in far more new actors compared to the amount they recycled. You’ll also catch alot of the “Street” actors in hip hop videos.
its unpredictable
but disagree with simon running out of ideas. i also find the main plot of season 5 as plausible as season 3. but i’m sure the frustration that good police face, as presented in the show, is very much real.
these chapters were predeveloped. this is how simon sees the newroom and that’s that. its just ironic that the newsroom wasn’t as complex as most of the other institutions presented in the show, at least to viewers critical of the 5th season like myself.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 26, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Too much shit to wrap up
I would have liked to see more time spent on it as well. IMO, the media is the main reason that we see todays “gap” in understanding between the suburbs and the inner cities.
You would not believe some of the ignorant shit I have heard when I tell people I spent summers working with inner city kids…. not racist (well not really but sortof) just really fucking misinformed
not reading too much
but I blasted thru seasons 1-4 a few months ago. I just ordered Season 5 from amazon for $38.
yeah if i knew where i was going to be living in august, i'd have ordered it
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
By the way
If you enjoy The Wire you should check out Simon’s book Homicide, which is about him spending a year following Baltimore Homicide detectives around.
A lot of the dialogue from The Wire comes word-for-word from that book.
Coffee is for closers.
Also the inspiration for the classic NBC show
Homicide, which had Simons’ creative input as well. From the early to mid 90s, I reccomend anyone who doesn’t remember it to rent the dvd’s from a library or order it online.
by Ozzie Montana on Jun 26, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
i would also recommend "on the corner"
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 26, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to start that book soon
I loved the Corner, I think it was a small reason I choose my sociology major with inner city issues focus.
that's cool
what’s your specific topic of research?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 28, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Focused mainly on
Juvenile Delinquency…. but pretty much a wide range of shit. My senior thesis was on school funding cuts in the inner city school districts (because of stuff like No Child Left Behind) and how it is/will impact the students and community. Thats simplifying it but that was the basic idea.
is this at uic?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 28, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
cool
just curious
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 30, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
its all good
I was looking at UIC for awhile, but I ran into some personal shit and had to head home to Rockford.. more sane environment for me at least.
The Wire has a facebook profile page fyi
There’s quotes tab, I submitted one for Bunk…
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 26, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions
Season 5
is the weakest because it is the only one with morally pure heroes, Simon’s good guys and pure evil bad guys that you cannot empathize with. The other seasons all had morally flawed characters, people who screwed up but still identified with. Because this is set in the newsroom, it’s too close to Simon who ground too many axes in this season. Still, it’s the best damn show on television.
Simon supposedly
uses a “scale” for his characters. Basically he has a bunch of acts on a list, and the characters have a range of “best” to “worst” things they can do.
My favorite show
I’ve been a big David Simon/Ed Burns fans for awhile. I suggest you read “The Corner” and also try to catch the mini series that was on HBO.
I remember when they announced they were doing this series, I was so pumped. Then after the first 2 seasons there was talk of cancelling the program. The critics liked it, the small amount of people watching it loved it, but it just wasn’t brining in the viewership.
Thank god HBO didn’t fuck this one up (unlike Deadwood)
deadwood?
haven’t watched and i know nothing about it. do you recommend?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 28, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Simon's new project
about Iraq looks awesome.. I’ve heard some sound clips.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117960260.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&p=0
I read the book
It was very good and I imagine this Generation Kill miniseries isn’t going to be quite what people expect it is.
Coffee is for closers.
Al-Time Favorite Show!
And check out this website blog by Alan Sepinwall:
http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/
His write-up’s are amazing. I found him because of his Soprano’s work, and then he started doing the Wire, too.
He is now going back and doing write-up’s for the first seasons that he didn’t do previously. Not only that, he is posting one for “newbies” who haven’t seen the following seasons, and he’s doing one for “veterans” who know where the story leads to, so that you can see how interconnected the story has ALWAYS been. Just awesome stuff.
Enjoy.
Stooge
Thanks for the link
and this is what I love about Simon
” The reason Omar doesn’t curse is that he has a personal code and he is beholden only to that code. He alone is deinstitutionalized and free and therefore in control of his own morality, flawed though it might seem. Everyone else is, in this sense, debased by the institutions they serve and cop and criminal alike, their language reflects (that).”
See you just don’t get that kind of thinking in most television shows.
"You feel me yo?"
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
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