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On The Media Vultures Circling Guillen

I don't get it.

Ozzie Guillen goes off following a terrible offensive series--a series which saw the Sox go 5-41 with runners in scoring position and strand runners who reached scoring position with nobody out on 5 separate occasions in the last two games--yet the narrative from the local and national media was about Guillen, whether he should be fired, whether he "out of line."

I'm no Guillen apologist. I've been known to rip him repeatedly in my recaps. And I can't even begin to build a case for his firing this season.

Guillen has been superb through the first 55 games. He hasn't made a single egregious in-game tactical error large enough for me to even note in any of my recaps. He was quick to get Quentin at-bats. He's banished Jerry Owens. He's using Toby Hall in the most efficient way possible. He shuffled the lineup when shuffling the lineup was about all he could do. And he's made the right in-game decisions at just about every turn. What more can you ask for from a manager?

So he says exactly what he feels. Who cares? The PC Police should be bowing at his feet every time he goes on one of his rants, because without him they'd have nothing to write about, nothing but dead air.

Think about this. The Sox have had two 4-game series in domes this season. They've allowed a total of 21 runs in those 8 games, which works out to 2.625 runs per game. As I recall, 5 of those runs in Toronto were unearned--or came in innings with extra outs--so the pitching staff allowed 16 "earned" runs in the two series. 8 games. They were 1-7 in those games. One and Fricken' Seven.

It's no coincidence that those two series have spawned the two Ozzie outbreaks and media storms. If the facts in the previous paragraph don't make you want to spout off a string of explicatives, you're not a Sox fan. You haven't been watching the same old shit for the last two years.

Ozzie Guillen is the biggest Sox fan there is. And he's had a front row seat for every single runner stranded on second after 3 straight pop-ups. He's been in the dugout everytime Nick Swisher GIDPs with RISP--Swisher's got 5 hits with RISP to go allong with his 5 GIDPs w/RISP. He's got to watch a team immune to the opposite field, pulling 84 MPH junk thrown off the outside corner. That's gotta drive even the strongest man crazy.

Who among us can honestly blame Guillen for letting off some steam? We all did the same thing.

Yet, 'the consensus around baseball' is that Guillen went too far. What did he say that went 'too far?'

"If we think we are going to win with the offense we have, we are full of it. I'm just being honest. I expect better from them if they're in the lineup.

"Just be ready because I expect movement Tuesday. I expect (general manager) Kenny Williams to do something Tuesday, and if we don't do anything Tuesday, there are going to be a lot of lineup changes. That's all I'm going to say about the offense." [...]

"It can be me. It can be (hitting coach) Greg Walker. It can be the players. It could be anybody," he said. "I'm sick and tired to watch this thing for a year and a half. I'm not protecting anybody anymore. [Bleep] it. If they can't get it done, Kenny should find someone to get it done."

Let's translate that.

The offense sucks. It's sucked for 2 years now. I'm tired of it. I'm going to make some changes Tuesday. I want Kenny to make some changes too.

Fire me. Fire Walker. Fire anyone. There needs to be changes. And if Kenny doesn't make 'em, I will.

We know Ozzie's not getting fired. Hell, we know Walker's not getting fired. All he said was that Konerko, Thome, and Swisher are going to have a lot more free time during the games.

Oh. My. God. A major league manager is going to cut the playing time of his struggling sluggers. The horror!

Quick! Call Rosenthal. See if Kornheiser is awake. Tell Marriotti to dust off his best "Fire Ozzie" material. It's sanctimonious Guillen roasting time!

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I'm glad "best'' was in italics

As I was reading, I actually did a double take to make sure it was

by jeeves on Jun 3, 2008 2:45 AM CDT   0 recs

Didnt mean to post yet

Was also going to say, I wholeheartedly agree Cheat. People (read writers) were saying how Ozzie threw Kenny under the bus, which I don’t see. I guess it could be a veiled remark against Kenny’s roster construction but I read it more as a dig at the players themselves.

Now what I truly wonder, is what the media’s reaction would have been had it been another manager. I doubt this would ever happen, but if Joe Torre was in the Sox’ manager and said that, I’d be terribly interested to see how the media would treat the rant.

by jeeves on Jun 3, 2008 2:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very little of interest to write about

being that both Chicago team are in 1st place in June.

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by ballyb on Jun 3, 2008 5:17 AM CDT   0 recs

This Out of Control situation warrants back-to-back Mariotti columns.

“Time to fire Guillen, put him out of misery”

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/983878,mariotti060308.article

If these guys smell blood, they best go see an Eye, Ear, Nose and Throat specialist ASAP.

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by ballyb on Jun 3, 2008 5:34 AM CDT   0 recs

This Mariotti is one sick, obsessed and very resentful tomato(e).

“Forget about those old Al Capone and Hog Butcher to the World references. What this city must expunge, as it attempts to win the 2016 Olympics and polish its image for the world, is the embarrassing cloud of stench accumulated by the Blizzard of Oz with his relentlessly profane attacks on human life around him.”

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by ballyb on Jun 3, 2008 5:37 AM CDT   0 recs

+1000

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ignore the splash

Thanks for some sanity, Cheat.

The funny papers aren’t actually that bad (except for the usual from J the Joke, of course—gotta hang a star on bally for actually choking some of it down). I don’t see the Southtown or Tribune, but the rest had some reasonable stuff.

The tabloid hysteria of the S-T back page isn’t indicative of the copy from Cowley, De Luca, Slezak. The Daily Herald has Rozner, always a voice of reason wrt the Sox.

by tommyjoepeters on Jun 3, 2008 7:37 AM CDT   0 recs

For the man with 3 names above...

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2008 8:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is controversy?

De Luca: Nobody on the farm, play BA over Swish, Sox pathetic in 2-out RISP, Konerko hasn’t hit a lick since July ‘07, Thome useless in 2-out RoB situations, not time to fire anybody, time for shakeup (channeling Guillen), Ozzie called out Walker Sunday.

Slezak: Sox pitching stellar, KW without much leverage to deal, “After having spent most of May on the road, the Sox should have been looking forward to a warm homecoming. Finally, a chance to heat up their frigid bats”, Swisher underperforming, Sunday’s outburst doesn’t rank high on the Ozzie-meter it was about baseball pure and simple, “for now, the Sox’s best option is to look within. They’re in first place. Why not start by believing they belong there?”

Cowley: Off-season rehash.

Btw, looks like larry found his way into Quick Hits.

by tommyjoepeters on Jun 3, 2008 9:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

also these:

DeLuca: not impressed with others’ analysis, wishes they would stop wasting his time

Slezak: thinks ballplayers are inappropriate and sexist

Cowley: mostly inaccurate and/or trite, which is remarkable given his access to the club

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Jun 3, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When in a slump, break out the inflatables.

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by ballyb on Jun 3, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Cowley

is awful. He writes terrible opinion-based pieces, and is the only writer on staff to actually be suspended from postseason voting by his own association.

by Rockraines on Jun 3, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what does this mean?

i’m generally not familiar with the print media. link?

by larry on Jun 3, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sox fan Larry wonders in an email: ’’Is it too late to have Jerry Reinsdorf ask Doug Collins if he wants the Sox managerial job, as well?’’ What, you want a guy who is known for slowing down his team’s offense to take over? Although in the Sox’ case, slowing down their offense would take some doing (or more of their big hitters not doing).

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/quickhits/983569,CST-SPT-1hit03.article

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

halelujah!

dead on.

In “controversies” past, at least the media had just cause for ripping Guillen and questioning his continued employment. I’m thinking specifically of Ozzie’s homophobic rants. But Ozzie (so far, of course), has really done a good job of not creating those “what-did-he-say” distractions. Plus, as you mention, he’s been a very good manager.

He threw no one “under the bus,” and so what if he did? He’s the damn manager. Do the Chicago sportswriters really want Jerry Manuel quotes again?

This one, like the Cabrera flap, is being pumped up by the media. Storylines in the press take a life of their own, and thanks Cheat for calling a spade a spade. I hope you have a louder microphone in the future.

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Jun 3, 2008 8:08 AM CDT   0 recs

I was watching the sports and then saw this

Exactly my same thoughts – the only ones seeming to blow this out of proportion are the media and KW. Ozzie didn’t say anything that any “dedicated” fan hasn’t been saying for the last 2 years. The only difference is this time is the fan is in the dugout – and Kenny doesn’t like that. Plus the media, who still wants the inside track, will use this to attempt to get on KWs good side, as well as try to use Ozzie’s past to sell papers.

If nothing else, it put the Sox as the lead on the news again.

Oz – thanks for saying what I feel everytime I see the price of my tickets while watching these guys pop-up or ground into another DP.

by Brush Back on Jun 3, 2008 8:25 AM CDT   0 recs

KW is the idiot here....

all he had to do was say, “I’m sure Ozzie is frustrated and so am I. When he gets back to Chicago, we’ll sit down and try to figure out a way to improve the offense.”

End of story. Instead, he has to escalate the situation.

by Hatchetm on Jun 3, 2008 8:46 AM CDT   0 recs

KW did nothing to escalate the situation

this is all on the media

"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jun 3, 2008 9:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not true - KW said Ozzie threw him under he bus

Which I think vastly misinterprets what Ozzie was saying. It would have been much more of a non-story otherwise.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 3, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I totally agree Hitless

KW could have just brushed it off, but he definitely threw gasoline on the fire with the “under the bus” comment.

"You might be impressed with your analysis, but I am not. Stop wasting my time." - Chris De Luca

by BoKnows on Jun 3, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a good distraction from the players' hitting problems.

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by ballyb on Jun 3, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Give him some credit

Last I looked, KW was concentrating on the draft—isn’t that a good thing?

“I’m sure Ozzie is frustrated and so am I”? Gee, why doesn’t he just say, “You know, I’ve been so busy I haven’t had a chance to keep up. How are they doing?”

I think Guillen was using the gm to get at the hitless wonders in the lineup, anyway.

by tommyjoepeters on Jun 3, 2008 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just visiting

As a visiter here, I like the way Ozzy talks. If only the team would respond to this this. You guys have a great team that with a little heart can go a long ways!!

"......and you can kiss it GOODBYE"

by Hapyorange on Jun 3, 2008 8:54 AM CDT   0 recs

nice shirt!

are you wu’s long lost twin brother?

:p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is why I read this site daily.

I’ve long been a critic of Ozzie Guillen, but its absolutely true that outside of firing Walker (which is more symbolic than anything), what can he really do?

I happened to read the Sun-Times this morning, which included that Mariotti column referenced above. It was truly embarrassing, even by his standards. His argument for firing Ozzie basically consists of “I’ve wanted this for a long time, and now even Tony Kornheiser, my ESPN colleague, because I work on ESPN, agrees with me!”

by chrome on Jun 3, 2008 9:16 AM CDT   0 recs

Ozzie has been fine.

There have been minor moves I’ve disagreed with (some lack of having Anderson in for defense, odd pinch-hitting decisions). But I think his bullpen usage has been good. IIRC he used Jenks in a non-save but high-leverage situation. And he also chose Q over Owens. He gave Swisher a shot in CF and leading off. He’s embraced the idea that OBP is more important than empty speed. Honestly, I think he’s one of the better manager’s in baseball.

by hitlesswonder on Jun 3, 2008 9:22 AM CDT   0 recs

Ozzie isn't the problem

As everyone else has already said: the problem is the god damn offense. I just don’t see what “changes” Ozzie is going to make. Anderson for Swisher is about the only move that could be argued for, and even then it’s on purely defensive merit, which kinda negates the whole “the offense is the problem” reason for changing in the first place. I highly doubt BA puts up better numbers in full time role then the next 100 games of Swisher.

Fields should be brought up as soon as he’s fully healthy and given 3-4 starts a week against LHP and the occasionly righty. Konerko and Thome lose some PAs but tought titties.

I predicted 80 wins before the season started, I’ll revise it upwards to 85 now—a succesful year coming off 72 wins, but still not enough to go anywhere.

by madvillian on Jun 3, 2008 9:33 AM CDT   0 recs

I'd sit PK more than Thome

Thome’s has our best OPS vs LHP, believe it or not.

by vince_ on Jun 3, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So perfectly said

or . . . .

Written

by Option27 on Jun 3, 2008 9:52 AM CDT   0 recs

a friend in nyc called sunday...

asking what is going on with ozzie and why is he flipping out?

i just said, eh…its just ozzie. its not a big deal. you non-sox fans like to make it a bigger deal because you have nothing else to talk about

by The Scoper on Jun 3, 2008 9:53 AM CDT   0 recs

the worst part

about this manufactured controversy, is having to read and hear the phrase “threw so-and-so under the bus” a million times. oh well, i guess “it is what it is.”

by Ryno on Jun 3, 2008 10:00 AM CDT   0 recs

cliche hell

yes, “under the bus” and “is what it is” have definitely jumped the shark. As has “jumped the shark.”

Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!

by Nordhagen on Jun 3, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

At the end of the day...

The team with the most runs wins.
Clearly.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jun 3, 2008 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yea

They let him off the hook! If you want to crown Ozzie’s ass crown him. But we let him off the hook!

by madvillian on Jun 3, 2008 10:03 AM CDT   0 recs

that guy is toast

What would Kittle do??

by thecip on Jun 3, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

history

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that avatar is so freaking cool

awesome!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 4:24 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is a case of X being X

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 3, 2008 10:24 AM CDT   0 recs

Ozzie's rant

another day another blown opportunity and Ozzie gets mad, what’s new and who cares. He didn’t say anything I , and many of us, haven’t felt. Ozzie should call each player in and discuss his feelings about their performance instead of ranting to the media. If the players do not correct the problems bench them, coach them,dump them or live with them . We are in first place with little opportunity to make many changes and Ozzie gets frustrated, good for Ozzie.

by floridajim on Jun 3, 2008 10:34 AM CDT   0 recs

Less than 9 hours until the "new" line up

Has there been a Ross Gload sighting?

Robbie Alomar?

Carl Everett?

Shake it up Ozzie!

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 3, 2008 10:39 AM CDT   0 recs

These so-called journalists should be careful what they wish for...

...some how I doubt deep down many of them think that Ozzie would really get fired over this, they just want something to write about.

But some other day, when Ozzie’s gone, they are going to miss him – what would they have to write about?

by vince_ on Jun 3, 2008 10:41 AM CDT   0 recs

Give Harold Baines the Manager's job

The media would be weeping within a week…as the tasty quotes would evaporate overnight.

"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)

by tailgater on Jun 3, 2008 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It is warming to see everyone rally around Ozzie, as opposed to last year

when he was being crucified. I agree with the poster above that he really was calling out Walk and the older guys who aren’t producing – the “non-pirhana” types. Knowing you can’t squeeze in a run from 3rd from half of your lineup because they can’t “situational hit” must be frustrating to someone who loves to play it a run at a time.

I wonder if we 100% draft a hitter as opposed to a pitcher, no matter how good the pitching prospect is, because of these shortcomings.

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 3, 2008 10:41 AM CDT   0 recs

PS Is there a moratorium on comments from the legal beagles on this site?

No larry, Toonder, Bridgeport Joe. Hmmmm….

I took the "under".

by winningugly on Jun 3, 2008 10:42 AM CDT   0 recs

isn't toonder in san quentin?

:p

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

didn't jim leyland go off on the tigers earlier this year?

and hasn’t he had a few public rants in his day? where were the calls for his head?

and ozzie needs to apologize to his players for saying they’re underperforming, even though they are in fact underperforming? clearly, that kind of honesty is unacceptable in a manager. stick to cliches about grinding it out and giving 110%, ozzeroo. from here on out ozzie should give the media the rasheed wallace treatment: “both teams played hard.”

by Ryno on Jun 3, 2008 10:46 AM CDT   0 recs

ozzie

from here on out ozzie should give the media the rasheed wallace treatment: "both teams played hard."

can he do that? I can’t see ozzie shuting up

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

In other news...

Josh Fields was in the Knights’ lineup last night for the first time since May 28, going 2-for-3 with a double and a walk.

His batting line is up to .356/.340/.480.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 3, 2008 10:54 AM CDT   0 recs

Er...

that’s .256/.340/.480.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 3, 2008 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Great news...

and that line doesn’t look so bad considering he has been banged up down there.

by SSH2005 on Jun 3, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

banged up and in AAA for the third time?

I’ll take it

dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.

by colintj on Jun 3, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem with defending Ozzie...

His comments are true but then he says that anyone can be fired at any time, including Greg Walker. Kenny has stated that Ozzie has the power to fire anyone in his coaching staff, including Greg Walker.

by SSH2005 on Jun 3, 2008 10:57 AM CDT   0 recs

Ugh.

Now Phil Rogers is calling Brad Eldred the “best option” the Sox have in the minors.

Eldred is the same guy he’s always been – a ton of power, zero plate discipline.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 3, 2008 11:01 AM CDT   0 recs

is there something fallacious about that assertion?

fields has been hurt. owens sucks. richar still coming back. getz not ready. who ya got, jer? the cupboard is bare.

by larry on Jun 3, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Be honest and say that there is no good option, haha.

Actually, JRE just posted that Fields played last night so he is once again the best option.

by SSH2005 on Jun 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, okay...

I just assumed that he must be healthy if he finally played. I was thinking he would be inactive until he was 100%.

by SSH2005 on Jun 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't characterize it as chronic

It can be chronic but doesn’t have to be. There are many patients that get tendinitis, get treated with NSAIDs and don’t have recurrences for years if ever.

by bhoov on Jun 3, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Might be bad for the rest of this year

But it’s usually pain you can play through, and a couple months off in the winter he should be as good as new.

by Grinder in Training on Jun 3, 2008 11:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I still think Getz...

would be a decent enough player, certainly more valuable than Eldred. I know you disagree, so I’ll leave it at that.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Getz doesn't make much sense now that Ramirez has started to hit...

and even though Ozuna sucks, I don’t know how much of an improvement Gets would be over him.

by SSH2005 on Jun 3, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

to do what?

play second? play SS? this team doesn’t need a middle infielder. it needs someone with some pop who can play a corner.

by larry on Jun 3, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To do what?

Sit on the bench?

Quentin’s not sitting. Dye’s not sitting. Crede’s not sitting. Thome’s not sitting. As much as he needs to, Konerko’s not sitting. And Guillen doesn’t use pinch-hitters. That leaves a hypothetical power hitter on the bench to be a cheerleader, unless someone goes on the DL.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 3, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i kind of have the feeling that they will be sitting more, jer.

and what kind of games are coming up? oh yeah, interleague ones. pinch hitter anyone?

by larry on Jun 3, 2008 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And they'll have Thome...

sitting on the bench for that purpose. They’ve got six more games in National League parks – not enough to make roster decisions around.

And really, who goes away to make room for this guy? Ozuna? Not likely. A pitcher? We wish.

The Sox are stuck with the roster they’ve got, like it or not.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 3, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs