We didn’t get Smoaked: Time to Talk 2009 Draft
john sickel's top college hitters and pitchers lists; other interesting college hitters
john sickel's top high school hitters and pitchers lists
john sickel's 2008 Draft Board (5/17); mock draft (6/2)
minorleagueball community mock draft, #8
White Sox Mock Draft draft thread at john sickels' site
college ball blog; direct link to draft coverage
baseball america's draft site; mock draft; top-200 prospects (with stats)
milb's 2008 draft reports (with videos)
jonathan mayo's (mlb.com) draft blog; 5/14 mock draft, 5/21 mock draft, 5/28 mock draft,
saberscouting top-100; mvn draft u mock;
Part 1 and Part 2 of SSS MLB draft diary; Mock Draft fanshot; G.Beckham fanshot;
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mayo's latest
1. Tampa Bay Rays: Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS, Griffin, Ga.http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080603&content_id=2829432&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp2. Pittsburgh Pirates: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt
3. Kansas City Royals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.
4. Baltimore Orioles: Aaron Crow, RHP, University of Missouri
5. San Francisco Giants: Buster Posey, C, Florida State
6. Florida Marlins: Brian Matusz, LHP, University of San Diego
7. Cincinnati Reds: Yonder Alonso, 1B, University of Miami
8. Chicago White Sox: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia
They’ll have interest in Alonso if the Reds don’t take him and they might have interest in Skipworth if he’s around. ASU’s Brett Wallace still gets mentioned occasionally here, and Smoak could get some consideration, but G-Beck still makes the most sense in this slot.
9. Washington Nationals: Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS, Riverside, Calif.
10. Houston Astros: Justin Smoak, 1B, University of South Carolina
this is intolerable, smoak is available and the sox pass him (yes, I know it’s only according to mayo)...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2008 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
mayo last week
1. Tampa Bay Rays: Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS, Griffin, Ga.http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080528&content_id=2786402&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp2. Pittsburgh Pirates: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt
3. Kansas City Royals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.
4. Baltimore Orioles: Brian Matusz, LHP, University of San Diego
5. San Francisco Giants: Buster Posey, C, Florida State
6. Florida Marlins: Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS, Riverside, Calif.
7. Cincinnati Reds: Yonder Alonso, 1B, University of Miami
8. Chicago White Sox: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia
9. Washington Nationals: Justin Smoak, 1B, University of South Carolina
10. Houston Astros: Aaron Crow, RHP, University of Missouri
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sickel's mock
1) Rays: Tim Beckham, SS, Georgia HS: Seems like the most logical pick to me.http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/6/2/544313/john-s-mock-draft
2) Pirates: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt: Pirates prove they are willing to spend $$.
3) Royals: Buster Posey, C, Florida State: Royals opt for close-to-ready bat.
4) Orioles: Brian Matusz, LHP, San Diego: Can’t pass him up.
5) Giants: Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina: Excellent bat, close to ready.
6) Marlins: Kyle Skipworth, C, California HS: The rumors make sense to me.
7) Reds: Aaron Crow, RHP, Missouri: Best player available.
8) White Sox: Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia: System thin on hitting could use him.
9) Nationals: Aaron Hicks, RHP, California HS: Nats decide he’s a pitcher.
10) Astros: Christian Friedrich, LHP, Eastern Kentucky: Astros opt for “safe” college pitcher.
11) Rangers: Eric Hosmer, 1B, Florida HS: Rangers shell out big bucks.
12) Athletics: Brett Wallace, 3B, Arizona State: Classic Oakland pick.
13) Cardinals: Tim Melville, RHP, Missouri HS: Cards opt for high-quality local talent.
14) Twins: Brett Lawrie, INF, Canada HS: Twins pick cold-weather bat, hoping for another Morneau and worried that he won’t last to 27..
15) Dodgers: Ethan Martin, RHP, Georgia HS: Best high school pitcher still on board tempts Dodgers; he fits their mold.
16) Brewers: Josh Fields, RHP, Georgia: Should help in the majors quickly.
17) Blue Jays: Yonder Alonso, 1B, Miami: Would be a steal at this slot and I think he’s got a good chance to fall here.
if hosmer and alonso don’t go before #7 seems no smoak/catcher for the sox
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by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sickels: if the Hosmer/Royals rumors pan out
1) Rays: Tim Beckham, SS, Georgia HS: No changehttp://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/6/3/544993/more-draft-thinking
2) Pirates: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt: No change
3) Royals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, Florida HS: Will Royals meet Boras asking price?
4) Orioles: Brian Matusz, LHP, San Diego: I still think this is a good fit
5) Giants: Buster Posey: C, Florida State: Would be easier to fit into the lineup long-term than Smoak.
6) Marlins: Kyle Skipworth, C, California HS: No change
7) Reds: Aaron Crow, RHP, Missouri: No Change.
8) White Sox: Gordon Beckham, RHP, Georgia: No Change.
9) Nationals: Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina: Someone has to fall. Could it be Smoak?
smoak goes to the south side john!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this guy!
1. Tampa Bay – Tim Beckham.http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/6/2/544313/john-s-mock-draft#65211622. Pittsburgh – Pedro Alvarez.
3. Kansas City – Eric Hosmer.
4. Baltimore – SP Brian Matusz
5. San Francisco – C Buster Posey
6. Florida – C Kyle Skipworth
7. Cincinnati – SP Aaron Crow
8. Chicago White Sox – 1st Justin Smoak
Kenny may think about Gordon Beckham here, but Smoak is too good to pass and could perhaps help them next year.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The MLB.com drafttracker is up; lots of videos
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2008/drafttracker.jsp
for example, go here for a video on justin smoak, here for jordan danks; go here for tim fedroff (videos are 2.5 mins)
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by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2008 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
G Beck's swing is asking to be taken advantage of at the pro level
they weren’t kidding about the uppercut
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 3, 2008 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Digest Daily Mock Draft
1. Tampa Bay Rays—Buster Posey, C, Florida Statehttp://blog.baseballdigestdaily.com/blog/_archives/2008/6/3/3727470.html2. Pittsburgh Pirates—Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt
3. Kansas City Royals—Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS (Ga.)
4. Baltimore Orioles—Brian Matusz, LHP, San Diego
5. San Francisco Giants—Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina
6. Florida Marlins—Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS (Calif.)
7. Cincinnati Reds—Aaron Crow, RHP, Missouri
8. Chicago White Sox—Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia
Geoff’s Take: “Beckham provides the White Sox with a good bat at a premium position, something their system could use.”
Eric’s Take: “Beckham has naysayers who feel he can’t be a shortstop at the next level. Chicago disagrees, and takes one of the top college players in the eighth spot.”
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 3, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Enough to make you puke...
The White Sox have been linked to Arizona State’s two-time Pac-10 triple crown winner, Brett Wallace, at the No. 8 spot, but the Sox may be more interested in another Pac-10 lefthanded hitter. Chicago farm director Alan Regier was given extensive scouting duties in the wake of Dave Wilder’s firing. Regier, a former assistant coach at California, is the godfather of Stanford catcher Jason Castro. Regier’s recent promotion to the scouting side has fueled speculation that Castro, whose profile is similar to Chicago’s current catcher, A.J. Pierzynski, could be the Sox’ pick.
by SSH2005 on Jun 4, 2008 7:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
these people look for any angle, any insight into the process.
he’s related to someone in the organization. so they’ll overdraft him by about 20 slots. gotcha. great speculation there.
by larry on Jun 4, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little bit of local color on why to not get too excited about the draft
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bbdraft0408jun04,0,2675453.story
It is a long, long road to the majors…
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 4, 2008 8:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How much will the Internet Blogerati Top Ten and the actual Top Ten come draft day differ?
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Jun 4, 2008 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox pick eighth in Thursday's draft, ending their streak of 17 straight years without a top-10 selection, longest in baseball.
(from the Trib)
This might have been mentioned earlier, but I had no idea it was 17 years. I suppose that cold be a good thing if you were at the top of baseball year in-year out, but I don’t think that’s the case here. Wow.
Go Sox!
by luzinski on Jun 4, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wiz will come, like, five times when he sees this
so get the paper towels out, guy.
8. Chicago White Sox
The White Sox would love to get a shortstop like Gordon Beckham into their system, but with him off of the board, they’ll turn to one of the many slugging first basemen from the college ranks. The obvious candidates are Alonso and Smoak, with the longstanding rumor about Arizona State’s Brett Wallace as a dark horse beginning to die out over the last week. Currently there is a split in house as to which is the superior prospect, Alonso or Smoak, but perhaps what is most telling is that during last weekend’s conference tournaments, Kenny Williams went to the SEC games to see Smoak, and not the ACC to see Alonso. That could mean nothing, or it could mean everything, but the general consensus in the industry is that Smoak is the better talent.
Selection: Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina
by larry on Jun 4, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 4, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kleenex, not paper towels
just in case it turns to tears if it isn’t Smoak.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 4, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need a new pair of pants!
let’s look at Goldstein’s draft, which is published on SI too [see ResDog fanshot]:
1. Tampa Bay Rays: Buster Posey, C, Florida Statehttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/06/04/mock.draft/2. Pittsburgh Pirates: Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS (GA)
3. Kansas City Royals: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt
4. Baltimore Orioles: Brian Matusz, LHP, University of San Diego
5. San Francisco Giants: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia
6. Florida Marlins: Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS (CA)
7. Cincinnati Reds: Brett Lawrie, INF, Brookswood SS (BC)
8. Chicago White Sox: Justin Smoak, 1B, South Carolina
9. Washington Nationals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS (FL)
10. Houston Astros: Yonder Alonso, 1B, Miami
I guess the key on getting Smoaked is to have some of Hosmer/Alonso/G.Beckham/Crow/Matusz get selected before the Sox pick
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Premature, wiz
Wait until she’s actually in the room first.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 4, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the Sox take Smoak
I might need some tissues anyway ;)
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 4, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's who I want...
Thome is near retirement and Konerko is getting there.
by SSH2005 on Jun 4, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
time to get Smoaked!
getting Stoned isn’t enough!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and let's not forget that
Draft Rule #12: College first basemen are the most valuable group of draft picks by an enormous margin. College first basemen selected in the first round have gone on to have Hall of Fame-caliber careers approximately one-third of the time.http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5152Over the course of the entire draft study, college first basemen have returned a ridiculous +144% in draft value. Thirteen first basemen were selected in the first 30 picks between 1984 and 1999, including Frank Thomas, Mark McGwire, Will Clark, Todd Helton, and Lance Berkman. John Olerud was a first-round talent who slipped to the third round because he was considered a tough sign.
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SaberScouting’s Mock Draft, Draft Eve Edition
#8 – Chicago White Soxhttp://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/04/draftweekmock1/Frankie’s Projection: Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia
Kiley’s Projection: Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia
Frankie: The White Sox have loved what they’ve seen from Beckham since he was in the Cape Cod League last summer. He’d be a nice fit for their organization and could move up quickly. Typically they have drafted guys with big results even if there have been some doubts about his overall game. Beckham has questions about his defense and swing but has put up massive numbers.
Kiley: Brett Wallace has been rumored to the guy at this spot for as long as I can remember, which is probably a few months (not. enough.sleep.). However, lately the Sox appeared to have cooled and on him starting following Beckham as a premium position guy who could step into Orlando Cabrera’s place quickly after he leaves. I think the Sox lean to the shortstop here, but Wallace is a distinct possibility, and so are the remaining power arms, Aaron Crow and Shooter Hunt, along with an off-the-board rumor of college catcher Jason Castro.
8-| (rolls eyes…)
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
more eye-rolling
Of the “Big Three,” [college 1B] I’ll take Yonder Alonso over Brett Wallace and Justin Smoak.http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/06/mlb_draft_previ.php
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck yes!
It appears fairly certain the Reds will be taking University of Georgia shortstop with the No. 7 overall pick. They’ve long been associated with a variety of college players, mostly bats (Yonder Alonso) and also RHP Aaron Crow, but it’s looking like the middle-infielder who’s had a monster season for the super-regional bound Bulldogs (.397, 24 HR, 65 RBI, 1.286 OPS, 17 SB) will be joining the Reds organization tomorrow.http://draft.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/06/latest_buzz.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how disappointed are you Daniel?
:p
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question got answered in the BP chat
Keith C (South of Chicago): Hey Kevin, thanks for taking questions. I understand that the best answer you can give to my question is only going to be at best an educated guess (not a knock on you, just noting that this is an imperfect science), but I’ll ask anyways—what’s the timetable for Kyle Skipworth to make the majors? Is he being described as a fast-riser or is 2011 or 2012 debut more likely?
Kevin Goldstein: If you take an elite high school guy—and I’m talking elite, like first 12 picks, you hope for a three-year development cycle, so late 2011.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=473
My somewhat realistic top five for tomorrow:
1. Smoak
2. Skipworth
3. Wallace
4. Crow
5. Beckham
Of course I think it goes without saying that if one of Alvarez or Posey somehow fall due to money demands or just plain circumstance, the Sox shouldn’t hesitate in grabbing them.
by CWSKeith on Jun 4, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jordan danks' agent is boras
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/06/04/heyman.borasdraft/
didn’t knew that…
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by The Wizard on Jun 4, 2008 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
just like big brother
as far as G Beck…. I’m heart broken
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 4, 2008 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought this was interesting
nate silver on last year’s top guys.
27. Rick Porcello, RHP, Tigers
2008 Projection (EqERA/EqBB9/EqK9): 7.13, 6.8, 4.8
2012 Projection: 6.50, 4.6, 4.7
Upside Score: 35.7
Top Comps: Jon Garland, Kurt Miller, Clint Everts, Sam Marsonek, Gil Meche
2008 Performance: 5.95, 3.1, 2.7 (High-A, 62 2/3 IP)
This has been a very disappointing debut. Striking out a batter an inning is really sort of a minimum for someone who wants to be considered an elite pitching prospect. Porcello has struggled to strike out half that many, with 36 Ks in his 62 2/3 IP. There is some good news: the Tigers had him skip straight to High-A ball, and Porcello’s ground-ball rates have been quite strong. His build and repertoire ("he’s more of a sinker-ball guy at 91-92") sound a lot like Jon Garland’s, and Garland was a guy who became a pretty good major leaguer in spite of middling minor league strikeout rates. Even so, the Tigers were hoping for a little bit more than Jon Garland-level upside here.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7621
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Phil Rogers' Mock Draft
1. Rays: Florida State C Buster Poseyhttp://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-080604-phil-rogers-mock-draft-baseball-mlb,1,3525989.story2. Pirates: Vanderbilt 3B Pedro Alvarez
3. Royals: Griffin (Ga.) H.S. SS Tim Beckham
4. Orioles: Georgia SS Gordon Beckham
5. Giants: South Carolina 1B Justin Smoak
6. Marlins: Patriot H.S. (Rubidoux, Calif.) C Kyle Skipworth
7. Reds: San Diego LHP Brian Matusz
8. White Sox: Arizona State 3B-1B Brett Wallace
This is a huge pick for Ken Williams’ organization, which has gone heavy on pitching in recent drafts. The Sox would love to get Gordon Beckham, but he’s not expected to last this long. Wallace might be a reach this high, as he packs 245 pounds on a 6-foot-2-inch frame, but he firmed up the last couple of years and is getting the most out of a left-handed swing that might be the best in the draft.
9. Nationals: Missouri RHP Aaron Crow
10. Astros: Tulane RHP Shooter Hunt
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 11:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
especially since, you know, it was announced prior to the posting of this article who the rays were taking at #1.
and it wasn’t posey. good work, phil.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com: Rays will choose Beckham at No. 1
Tim Beckham will be No. 1.http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080605&content_id=2844900&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jspThe Rays, holding the first overall selection in today’s First-Year Player Draft, will select the talented high school shortstop from Griffin, Ga., according to officials with knowledge of the team’s decision.
Before the team had made its decision, Rays scouting director R.J. Harrison called Beckham “a really good player at a premium position.”
“Middle of the field player, very good athlete, an advanced bat,” Harrison said. “Has a real good awareness on the field. He plays the game with a great deal of enthusiasm. And then when you spend time with him away from the field, he’s the same guy. He’s a fun guy to be around.”
I guess that’s good for the Sox getting Smoaked
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by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Goldstein: Rays On Beckham (or, Money Changes Everything)
As we close in on midnight, the draft is still, well, pretty much a mess, but there looks to be some direction finally with the Rays at number one overall. It’s not because they’ve made a decision on who is the best player, and it’s not because they’ve decided to go for ceiling (Tim Beckham) over certainty (Buster Posey). It’s because of money. On the final night of the draft, many decisions are made with checkbooks. Teams looking at multiple players begin to make calls to agents to gauge signability, and those discussions can help steer teams one way or the other. Late this evening, multiple sources have indicated as to Buster Posey’s draft-eve asking price, and it’s a doozy at $12 million. Right now, that looks like more than enough to make up the Rays mind, and they’ll likely be taking Tim Beckham unless that number reverses dramatically in the next 12 hours. The real question is to the reason for the number, as some believe it’s a posturing maneuver to drop Posey to a team with deeper pockets, though many feel that strategy would backfire, and somebody with a early pick will call the bluff.http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=893
and http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/05/predraftmock2/
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by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA's 2008 Final Mock First Round
1. TAMPA BAY: TIM BECKHAM, ss, Griffin, Ga.http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/mock-draft/2008/266271.html2. PITTSBURGH: PEDRO ALVAREZ, 3b, Vanderbilt.
3. KANSAS CITY: ERIC HOSMER, 1b, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.
4. BALTIMORE: BRIAN MATUSZ, lhp, San Diego.
5. SAN FRANCISCO: JUSTIN SMOAK, 1b, South Carolina.
6. FLORIDA: BUSTER POSEY, c, Florida State.
7. CINCINNATI: GORDON BECKHAM, ss, Georgia.
8. CHICAGO (AL): YONDER ALONSO, 1b, Miami.
9. WASHINGTON: AARON CROW, rhp, Missouri.
10. HOUSTON: KYLE SKIPWORTH, c, Patriot HS, Rubidoux, Calif.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
mayo's latest
1. Tampa Bay Rays: Tim Beckham, SS, Griffin HS, Griffin, Ga.http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080604&content_id=2837388&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb2. Pittsburgh Pirates: Pedro Alvarez, 3B, Vanderbilt
3. Kansas City Royals: Eric Hosmer, 1B, American Heritage HS, Plantation, Fla.
4. Baltimore Orioles: Brian Matusz, LHP, University of San Diego
5. San Francisco Giants: Buster Posey, C, Florida State
6. Florida Marlins: Kyle Skipworth, C, Patriot HS, Riverside, Calif.
7. Cincinnati Reds: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia
8. Chicago White Sox: Yonder Alonso, 1B, University of Miami
9. Washington Nationals: Justin Smoak, 1B, University of South Carolina
10. Houston Astros: Brett Lawrie, C/3B, Brookswood SS, Langley, B.C.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get why the Sox would draft Alonso over Smoak, if Smoak is available.
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
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by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*questions humanity*
I SKIPPED SCHOOL FOR THIS
we need to save this, as proof that we knew Justin Smoak would be a star and Gordon Beckham a bust
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 5, 2008 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Smoak won't be a star
I’m not a fan at all. He has league average 1B written all over him, if not worse.
G. Beckham is a marginally better prospect, and will probably cost less to sign.
by Bull Pain on Jun 5, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I dont get our fanbase
Everyone loathes our power hitting slow footed baseclogging lineup, yet you all clamor for Sox Brass to pick a slow, base clogging power hitter.
They drafted best talent on the board, that was a need, and helps us with contact, line drives, and some power, oh and he’s a middle infielder.
GREAT PICK
by Rockraines on Jun 5, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're a fan base, of course we're ridiculous!
The was something about how 1B prospects from college taken in the first round pan out really well, and that’s one of the reasons I was interested in Smoak. Then again, I’m not someone constantly complaining about base cloggers. Toilet cloggers, now there’s a complaint I have ;)
After reading some level headed commentary, it seems like Beckham was a good pick as well. I hope he pans out.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 5, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There he goes
congrats Texas
ESPN is slooging over him right now: Teixiera, Chipper Jones comps
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 5, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BA and BP
both saying that the Sox got the guy they wanted all along. Goldstein in particular saying that the Sox are thrilled the Reds didn’t take him.
by Bull Pain on Jun 5, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we change the title of this to "Draft Season Over: Time to Talk About the White Sox"?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Draft Season Over: TIme to Talk About 2009 Draft"
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, this Post is focused.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that idea
not sure if it will fly with Wiz though.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 5, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds good
but this thread?
how about ‘We didn’t get Smoaked: TIme to Talk About 2009 Draft’ (second part from larry)
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by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, that would be a witty change to the title
I say go for it
My 2009 draft board
Team X takes Player Y, position Z – This is a solid pick up for X, coming off a disappointing season. Y should be on the fast track to the majors and instantly becomes one of the top prospects in X’s minor league system.
Team X2 takes Player Y2, position Z2 – ahhh screw it. too time consuming.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 5, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and not nearly funny enough
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 5, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The New and Improved SaberScouting Top 100
http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/05/saberscoutingtop100part2/
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by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What happened with Jordan Danks?
How do you fuck a nut?!
by omnipotent grab on Jun 5, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Still available...
but the Sox apparently decided to overdraft Kenny Williams’ son by 14 rounds over Danks.
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems pretty clear that danks is going back to school
and everyone was apprised of it.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be. I'm sure the Sox would have drafted him by now.
Kenny loves him.
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Smoak, 1B, University of South Carolina
Height/Weight: 6-4, 215 | Age: 21http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2008/06/live_blogging_t_3.php2008: .382/.509/.756 | 217 AB | 83 H | 18 2B | 0 3B | 21 HR | 55 BB-26 SO
The best all-around player of the top college first basemen in the draft, Smoak could play defensively in the majors right now and has Gold Glove potential. He also has the ability to hit 30 homers in the majors and hits to all fields, which leads to an excellent batting average. Smoak is also a switch hitter with power from both sides. He was drafted in the 16th round out of high school in 2005 by the Oakland Athletics. (Posted by Marc Hulet)
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by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2009 draft
Next Year’s #1?http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/next-years-1/by Dave Cameron – June 6, 2008 · Filed under Daily Graphings
With the first day of the major league draft behind us, for some people, the countdown can officially begin – 364 days until someone announces that they’ve selected Stephen Strasburg from San Diego State University, potentially with the #1 overall pick. The legend of Strasburg hit new heights on April 11th in a Mountain West Conference game against the University of Utah, when Strasburg recorded 27 outs in a one hit complete game shutout – 23 of them by strikeout. After the game, Strasburg said this:
"I was trying to get the ball in play and throw strikes. I was trying to use the defense as much as possible, but I guess it didn’t work out that way."
While trying to get the ball in play, he punched out 23 men. That’s how you build a legend. He had already been talked about as a potential top five pick for 2009 back in February, but after a dominating sophomore season for SDSU, he heads into the final twelve month push as the clear frontrunner. Usually, that guy doesn’t end up going #1 overall (Pedro Alvarez was this guy last summer), but unless Strasburg blows out his arm, he’s going to go very high.
His fastball sits in the mid-90s and he has a wipeout slider that is responsible for most of the strikeouts. He also has a classic pitchers frame, and obviously, his performance validates the stuff. There are some other highly talented players who will make a run at being the top overall pick next year, but right now, Strasburg is the Big Brown of this race.
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by The Wizard on Jun 6, 2008 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
White Sox draft Leyden's Weaver
The right-handed pitcher and two-time All-Area pick from Leyden was chosen by the White Sox in the 17th round of the Major League Baseball First-Year Player Draft on Friday.http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=204355
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A jump on the radar gun to the upper 80s and low 90s on occasion was also a big attention-getter as Weaver was 7-2 with a 1.04 ERA, 95 strikeouts and 16 walks in 60½ innings. Last year he was 9-0 with 46 strikeouts in 68 innings.
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by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
College Baseball Splits
As we did last year, Kent Bonham and I have made available splits and situational statistics on nearly every college player selected in the first day of the draft. [THT]
2 (PIT) – Pedro Alvarez, Vanderbilt
3 (KC) – Eric Hosmer, American Heritage HS Plantation Fla.
4 (BAL) – Brian Matusz, San Diego
5 (SF) – Buster Posey, Florida State
6 (FLO) – Kyle Skipworth, Patriot HS Rubidoux Calif.
7 (CIN) – Yonder Alonso, Miami
8 (CHW) – Gordon Beckham, Georgia
9 (WAS) – Aaron Crow, Missouri
10 (HOU) – Jason Castro, Stanford
11 (TEX) – Justin Smoak, South Carolina
12 (OAK) – Jemile Weeks, Miami
13 (STL) – Brett Wallace, Arizona State
http://collegesplits.com/
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by The Wizard on Jun 7, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I emailed Jeff Sackman asking for Jordan Danks' splits
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Jun 8, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak has significant home/road splits
Beckham is extremely consistent… man I hope that swing works out. His swing has looked better than in the videos in super-regionals.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 7, 2008 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
same here
crosses fingers
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sickels' evaluation of sox draft
Chicago White Sox
The White Sox focused on college talent in this draft. First round pick Gordon Beckham, University of Georgia shortstop, is a complete package type who instantly becomes the best position player in the thin Sox system as soon as he signs. He has very good power, should hit for a solid average and OBP, and will be able to remain at shortstop in my opinion.
The Sox didn’t have a second round pick, but stuck with the college bat concept in the third round, selecting Cal Poly third baseman Brent Morel. He has a good glove at third and should hit for average, but there’s some doubt about how much power he’s going to develop, though the White Sox seem confident in the stick. Fourth round pick Drew O’Neill is a closer out of Penn State with a 90+ MPH sinker delivered sidearm, unusually good velocity for that style. He looks like a middle reliever to me but should advance quickly. Fifth round pick Dan Hudson, RHP from Old Dominion, had an erratic season but gets his fastball into the 90s and has consistently posted strong K/IP ratios.
Sixth round Wichita State outfielder Kenny Williams (son of the White Sox GM) and seventh round Texas outfielder Jordan Danks (brother of Sox pitcher John Danks) provide family ties, athleticism, good outfield defense, but questionable hitting. Williams is very fast but is rather raw, while Danks has good strike zone judgment but has never shown the power expected by scouts.
The Sox filled out their draft with mostly college picks from this point. I like 8th round catcher Kevin Dubler (Illinois State) and 10th round RHP Stephen Sauer (Arizona State) as sleeper types. Overall this is a fairly conservative draft but it will help get some polished talent into the system quickly.
it's time to accept that we're powerless when it comes to the white sox and turn ourselves over to a higher power: KW
by larry on Jun 8, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
everyone loves to start with the AL central for their draft recaps, i guess
goldstein’s:
Chicago White SoxDraft Philosophy: Take the best player available at eight, and then sit around for awhile without a second rounder and stick to the college route. Oh yeah, and grab Kenny’s kid at some point.
First Pick: Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia; eighth overall
How High He Could Have Gone: He seems to have been in the mix at times to go No. 1 overall, but that was always an extreme long shot. More realistically, he was getting strong consideration by the Giants at five before Posey became available, and the Reds were generally thought to be locked onto him at seven until the last 48 hours.
Path To The Big Leagues: Beckham is an advanced player who should move fairly quickly through the minors. There’s nobody blocking his way, as the White Sox have no middle infield prospects of note in the system, and Orlando Cabrera is in the final year of his contract.Rest of the First Day:
3. Brent Morel, 3B, Cal Poly: Good defensive player w/ more average than power.
4. Drew O’Neil, RHP, Penn State: The biggest ground-ball machine in the draft comes with the usual sidearm issues.
5. Dan Hudson, RHP, Old Dominion: A big righty, he dropped after a poor junior year.
6. Kenny Williams, OF, Wichita State: A good athlete who’s not a total nepotism pick, but went three to five rounds higher than expected.Best Second-Day Selections:
7. Jordan Danks, OF, Texas: Never showed promise coming out of high school, might try one more college year.
8. Kevin Dubler, C, Illinois State: As a left-handed hitting athletic catcher, many expected him to go higher.
23. Kyle Long, LHP, St. Anne’s Belfield HS (VA): Bigger than his father Howie, but a poor senior year means he’s likely Florida State-bound.
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by larry on Jun 10, 2008 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7643
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by larry on Jun 10, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, see, it requires a subscription to access
just like the last article you referenced. Is it worth $5/month?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 10, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BP? definitely.
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by larry on Jun 10, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
camden depot scouting reports
I finally managed to read them…

Gordon Beckham: SwingLoad – Beckham’s load is a bit problematic. His back elbow is elevated a bit to much, pointing the top of the bat towards the pitcher and extending the length his hands will eventually have to take to the ball. He maintains a solid 60/40 weight distribution and his hands are locked close to the shoulder, creating good power potential.
Stride – The weight transfer is successful in utilizing the power potential created in the load. Beckham is able to keep his hips closed during the stride, preventing any energy from escaping and helping to maximize his power. Not only does he not begin to drop his back elbow, it tends to elevate a little more, pushing the barrel forward and again lengthening the path his hands will have to take to the ball. Compounding this is the fact that while his body begins to stride forward, his hands stay in the same space (picture handcuffing your wrist to a chair and then slowly walking forward). This tends to create a long, somewhat loopy swing.
Swing – As anticipated, Beckham’s swing is a little long and a bit loopy, which could be problematic against more advanced pitching. For now, his incredible bat speed more than makes up for this deficiency. Beckham leads well with his hips, uncorking all of the potential power his mechanics have built up to this point. Quick hips and strong wrists help to get the bat through the zone quickly, despite the added length. It is possible the change to wooden bats and high-minors pitching will prove too much for even Beckham’s wrists to overcome.
Contact – He squares up on the ball very well, making consistent hard contact. The long swing sometimes leads to reduced bat control, however, and while Beckham is strong enough to muscle line-drives off the end of the bat when his control fails him, it is likely a fair number of his singles could turn into ground outs at the pro level. Beckham’s wrist and weight transfer provide the final piece to maximizing power on contact.
Follow-Through – Beckham maintains good balance, though at times he spins off a bit at the end of his swing and can be a little clunky in his one-armed finish. He does a fairly good job of maintaining his momentum through the ball.
Swing Grade – B – Beckham’s swing raises some serious questions as to his ceiling as a Major League hitter. At the college level, his approach is superior and he does a good job of utilizing his quick wrists and solid frame to generate plus power. There is a decent chance he hits a wall at AA/AAA if his hitch is not corrected, though it is possible his bat speed holds up. Baseball is littered with ugly swing mechanics that produce results (See Pence, Hunter).
http://camdendepot.blogspot.com/2008/05/draft-preview-finding-14-gordon-beckham.html
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by The Wizard on Jun 11, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and Smoak
Justin Smoakhttp://camdendepot.blogspot.com/2008/05/draft-preview-finding-14-justin-smoak.html
Load – From the both sides, Smoak’s back elbow is elevated a bit, pointing the top of the bat towards the pitcher. From the left, this turns out to be less problematic than it is for Beckham because of Smoak’s terrific stride (as we will see shortly). From the right, it is corrected by a hitch in his stride (which may or may not prove problematic). He maintains a solid 60/40 weight distribution and his hands are locked close to the shoulder, creating good power potential. His stance varies, with a tight stance from the right and a wider stance from the left, giving him a more up-and-down swing from the right and a slightly more compact swing from the left.
Stride – From the left side, Smoak utilizes a smooth weight transfer and locks his hands in prime position just at the height and slightly behind his back shoulder. He stays closed in the hips through a stride of moderate length and little elevation allowing for maximum power by the time he starts his swing. Little energy is lost and his swing is shortened by locking his hands into position relative to his shoulder (if you remember, Gordon Beckham locked his hands into a position in space, which lead to his body getting ahead of the hands and therefore lengthening his swing). Smoak also keeps his elbow locked in position. While this is not ideal, he is not lengthening his swing by raising it during the stride. Since his stay locked to the body, his swing should be nice and quick to the ball.
From the right side, Smoak’s stride is a little shorter, but the weight transfer, closed hips and hands locked to the shoulder are all replicated. There is a red flag, however, in the form of a hitch. As he starts his stride, Smoak dips his hands a couple of inches and elevates his knee slightly as he steps forward. His hands return to slot by the time his swing starts (with his elbow lowered as the swing starts). This may not be a huge problem in the future, depending on how consistently he returns his hands to the proper position in which they start. Any inconsistencies in the location of his hands will likely lead to periodic inconsistencies in his swing. I do not see enough of Smoak to know whether this is an issue, but it would be interesting to look as his tape from Team USA and take note of this potential issue.
Swing – From the left, Smoak has a smooth swing with a slight uppercut. He leads well with his hips, elbow and the knob of the bat, generating good bat speed and driving the barrel on a fairly short line to the ball. From the right, his hands drag ever-so-slightly, lengthening his swing. This is likely a result of the hands still returning from the hitch. The swing is equally fluid from the right, though a little longer. There is still a great amount of power generated as his swing flows from hips to elbow to knob of the bat to the barrel.
Contact – He squares up on the ball very well from both sides. From the right he tenses a bit in the lower half through his core at contact, but loosens almost immediately so as not to affect his follow-through. Balance from both sides is very good, allowing Smoak to use his size and clean swing to drive the ball effectively to all fields.
Follow-Through – From both sides, Smoak is free and easy with his follow-through. Despite his size and the force in his swing, he maintains excellent balance as he concludes. This is a positive sign in that 1) his swing is not likely to get away from him, and 2) he is generating great power without sacrificing control over his swing.
Swing Grade – A- (left side); B+ (right side) – The hitch on the right is a little worrisome, but all-in-all there is a lot to be excited about with Smoak’s swing. He looks clean and efficient from load to follow-through, and there are few causes for concern.
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by The Wizard on Jun 11, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Furyk's golf swing ain't pretty, either
but it is effective. A predictive tool, sure, but no guarantee of failure.
Had to throw up Smoak, didn’t you, Wiz? Let it go, man. She’s gone.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to his balls?
let it go? good one!
btw, here’s THT’s Breaking down the draft, Part 1 3. Eric Hosmer | 1b | Kansas City Royals
6. Kyle Skipworth | C | Florida Marlins7. Yonder Alonso | 1b | Cincinnati Reds
10. Jason Castro | C | Houston Astros
12. Jemile Weeks | 2b | Oakland Athletics
13. Brett Wallace | 3b/1b | St. Louis Cardinals
14. Aaron Hicks | OF | Minnesota Twins
15. Ethan Martin | 3b | Los Angeles Dodgers
16. Brett Lawrie | C/3b | Milwaukee Brewers
17. David Cooper | 1b | Toronto Blue Jays
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by The Wizard on Jun 11, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wiz, you are about to reach a milestone:
10,000 posts. 37 more and you are a member of an exclusive club.
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by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
35!
tonight/tomorrow I should be entering the door of the club
I see you’re there; do we get any benefits? what do you mean juanito ate them all?
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by The Wizard on Jun 11, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering if there are any members of the 20,000 club
but if larry isn’t there, I don’t see anyone else
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by The Wizard on Jun 11, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Windbag that he is
he is far outdistancing the field. As he must.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jun 11, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help but feel
that those of us who pooped over Beckham over Smoak made a mistake by valuing Smoak so highly and Beckham so low
I cast off Beckham for his flawed swing and lack of a standout tool, which is wrong. Also, I didn’t want him simply for the fact that he was not Smoak. There is as good a chance JG(can I call him that? It sounds funny, I like it) out values Smoak as the opposite happens.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 11, 2008 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The REAL Gordon Beckham
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aGx1gUWuLLI
I couldn’t help but laugh at the drum solo.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 13, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
this says frontpage!
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