White Sox Draft Gordon Beckham (SS) Georgia
by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 2:36 PM CDT
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The Chicago White Sox selected Gordon Beckham 8th overall in the 2008 MLB first-year player draft. It was the Sox first top 10 pick in 17 years.
There are concerns that Beckham won't be able to stick at short in the pros, but with a dearth of positional talent, especially up the middle, in the minor leagues Beckham immediately becomes the Sox best position prospect.
Beckham’s outstanding junior year has been light-years ahead of anything he did in his first two college seasons. He was not even considered a guaranteed first round pick before the season began and was undrafted out of high school. He is a line-drive hitter who knows how to work the count. Beckham has average power but is not a home run hitter, although he did lead the Cape Cod League in homers last summer. He knows how to steal bases thanks to good instincts but has only average speed. Some project him as a second baseman because he may become too big for shortstop where his arm is average and his range is above average. Think Aaron Hill.
MLB.com posted a scouting video (wmv link) of beckham from last summer in the Cape Cod League. My initial impression of the video was that his swing was freakin' ugly. I called it Brian Andersonesque, which shouldn't inspire any confidence. The good news is that video is almost 11 months old. And one look at Beckham's stats progression in his three seasons at Georgia indicates that he's made considerable adjustments since even last summer.
If there's one thing that I look for in the stats of a prospect, it's improvement from year-to-year. And Beckham clearly has improved considerably over a guy who wasn't drafted out of HS. Here's MLB's more recent scouting report on Beckham.
Obviously, I'd be happier if their was a slam dunk, up the middle, 5-tooler available with the 8th overall pick, but you have to pretty happy getting a college player of the year candidate at a premium defensive position.
Baseball Intellect: Scouting Gordon Beckham | Camden Depot: Finding Gordon Beckham
The Skinny: Everyone loves players at premium positions who can swing the bat and Beckham fits that description perfectly. There’s some question as to whether he can remain at shortstop, but he continues to answer any and all questions about whether his college production at the plate is for real, as he’s put up a huge season at Georgia. He may be a fringy shortstop, and not every scout is sold on his sometimes awkward swing mechanics, but Beckham put up some big numbers with wood bats in the Cape League and has done all he can to prove he can be an everyday big league bat up the middle.
Pros: Bat/Power/Position Combo
Cons: Swing Mechanics, Can he play SS?
Comparison: Michael Young with less batting average
Adjusted OFP: 58
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Seems like a decent pick to me.
I know almost nothing about amateur baseball, though.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
these are the opinions i enjoy
a guy admitting he doesn’t know much about something. i’m right here with you. never seen any of these guy play, except on video. i read some reports. the sox drafted a guy who, on nearly every list i saw, was ranked pretty much at or above where he was drafted. logic suggests it was a fine pick. one doesn’t always need to take a hard position and argue/complain until you’re blue in the face (or fingers) if things don’t turn out the way you think they should. there’s no one on this board whose opinion on this really means a damn. or who i will take seriously when they tout their drafting prognostication skills in a few years if things turn out oh so horrible like they assert.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blame wiz.
he sent the smoak train out of control.
i have only seen a teeny bit of video of beckham, and he hit the shit out of the ball. i’m sure there’s not much correlation to future successes, but i still like that he dominated in a high-talent wooden bat league last summer. have seen too much college baseball first-hand to see what aluminum can do to inflate numbers.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's nice
small sample sizes be damned, it’s kind of ‘comforting’ (for lack of a better word) to know that the guy played with wood bats before and played well (against top competition, no less). The year-to-year improvement is also nice, not only in the OBP/SLG areas, but it appears his plate discipline and pitch recognition (Ks and BBs) improved a ton over the course of the past three seasons. As mentioned, taking Beckham (and hence not taking Smoak) certainly isn’t worth any “terrible pick!” or “fuck this” type one-liners.
by CWSKeith on Jun 5, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely right.
and comforting is a good word. if whether beckham hits or can hit with any pop due to his size are the issues, i like that his power has already translated, even if only for a summer, without the benefit of a turbocharged TPS.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is it that ron shandler says?
once you’ve shown the skill, it’s yours? i.e., if a guy has shown a skill for a sufficient period of time, then he has that skill. judge for yourself if cape cod is long enough.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much stock
do you put in the fact that smoak ended up dropping to 11? how much does that indicate that he may have turned into a media/outsider darling rather than a plan a for a lot of teams?
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, not much
are you going to take him over the catchers? no. over beckham? debatable. over crow? debatable. the picks i’d question are castro (duh) and alonso. but one is a dumbfuck organization and the other, well, i’m not sure about the reds.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either the Reds are moving Votto to LF full-time or...
they thought that they were simply picking the best talent at the spot for trade purposes. You would think that the Reds would not want to have another defensive butcher in LF once Dunn moves on but who knows?
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not going to blame anyone
i’ve read the amateur/prospects blogs long enough to know there are people who literally would not be able to tell you if a player was black or white who will argue with others who wouldn’t know “their guy” if he was sitting next to them. it’s just the way things are. porcello over poreda? sure, that’s an easy one. smoak over g. beckham? you must be having a laugh.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was kidding about blaming wiz.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best jokes have a kernel of truth
at least
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew that
I may be a knucklehead but I got that!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's alive!
you have so much to live for, wiz.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
was the suicide watch on?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just worried about who would post the lineup tonight
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSH will do fine
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need a hug, big guy?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how are your tits?
just kiddin!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ps. WU's hugs are always welcome
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll never really hear me first guessing the draft
For instance, I really liked what I saw from the Aaron Hicks reports/videos—He’s the type of player I would have liked to seen the Sox take (probably my favorite HSer in the draft) But I don’t know enough about the overall value of the respective picks to know whether he would have been worth a shot at #8.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think i said this before
not like it was a particularly original thought. there wasn’t quite as much stratification in this draft as others. in that 7-14 range (outside of dumbfuck houston and maybe weeks) you could probably toss them in the air and let them fall where they may and it would have been fine.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
notice who took him and decide for yourself
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I would have posted something about Hicks before the Twins took him
since it now looks like I’m just piggybacking on their scouting… At least I was truthful with Alderson last year.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They just took another one of "my guys"
I never said anything because I expect Ladendorf for be a sandwich to second rounder, but I really liked him even though it’s pretty clear he won’t stick at SS.
Love the Twins draft so far.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that Beckham used a wood bat...
That makes his numbers look a lot more impressive.
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only in the Cape
The CC league is a summer wood bat showcase… you’ll see beckham swinging metal tomorrow
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another one for you then
I should say first that my wet dream would have been for the Sox to draft Posey or Skipworth because a highly rated catcher would be great for the system. Seeing as they were already gone…
My “disappointment” with picking Beckham rested with draft analysis posted on one of the threads that determined that 1st base college hitters overall provided more value than other positions. Couple that with reading about Beckham’s weird swing mechanics, all the slobbering over Smoak by people I assume are more well versed in prospects than I am, and references to Beckham as a grinder and I got an image of a crappy player in the mold of 2007 Erstad.
After reading what cooler heads, larry in particular, have posted about picks 5-15 being a crap shoot and Beckham’s good numbers with the wood bat, I’m now convinced that Beckham was a solid choice.
So thanks to all of you clearer heads for pointing out that this wasn’t a reach and we should not be freaking out. Hopefully, dis keed gone be reel good.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 5, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve mentioned this in a few dead threads, but for everyone who loves Smoak, don’t get too worked up. If he was such a surefire star, he would have gone ahead of Yonder Alonso. I saw him in 4 games last summer, and he was terrible. He had a bad attitude and struck out every other AB against Japanese pitchers throwing junk. I saw Teixeira many times in college and he was light years better than Smoak (and Alvarez for that matter)
Now I’ve never seen Gordo live, but his Cape Cod numbers were very impressive and he was dominant this college season on a team that was expected to finish under .500 and is now likely to make the CWS. He was the unanimous SEC POY and is a Golden Spikes finalist, which Smoak is not. BA ranked Beckham 6th and Smoak 8th.
The reports make it sound like Beckham was the Sox’ target all along and that they were fully expecting him to get drafted at 7.
by Bull Pain on Jun 5, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the one redeeming factor
is that the A’s didn’t get Smoak.
Other than that, Beckham looks and sounds like he should be fishing shoeless on a bank with a straw hat. That is all.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 5, 2008 2:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just saw Beckham on ESPN...
He’s got the Gavin Floyd southern emo cut.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 2:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
comforting!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was ugly...
He was wearing a helmet made out of hair.
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheat, one MAJOR correction:
I posted that profile in the draft thread, and it was from Baseball Analysts, not Baseball America. I don’t think they’re related:
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 5, 2008 3:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never mind. I just reread the BA profile. Remarkably alike.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 5, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not shocking
Baseball Analysts is a pretty good blog site, but their “analysis” here is coming straight from the BA and BP (Goldstein and B. Smith) reports, which are based on old fashioned journalistic reporting. Amateur stuff is way more complex than the professional side and talking with coaches, scouts, etc… is the only way to get a read on the situation.
by Bull Pain on Jun 5, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was right the 1st time!! You're crediting the wrong site.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 5, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Updated momentarily
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to the family that hosted gordo last summer in cape cod,
“His character and personality are on par with, if not greater, than his baseball skills.” Thank god McCarthy is gone. Now get rid of Anderson and he’ll be able to stay pure.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OC will teach him selfishness. Walker will teach him to pull.
Ozzie will teach him to curse. And Juan will teach him to eat.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 5, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That hippy (Gordon) needs to get his hair cut, first
and he needs to get off WU’s lawn.
; )
by CWSKeith on Jun 5, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the pick
Two similar guys statistically. One has a longer track record of great production but also struggled with wood bats for team USA. One guy plays up the middle, the other guy is a switch-hitter. They’re close but I would always err on the side of taking someone who can play up the middle. The bottom line is I’ve got faith in the present decision makers for the high profile decisions (or at least the ones that KW personally plays a role in) for the Sox with the Quentin and Ramirez acquisitions.
Now, will Danks last to 86?
by bhoov on Jun 5, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With KW personally involved
I wonder if he’ll be less inclined to trade them down the road
by Brush Back on Jun 5, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, if so, would the sox break the boras taboo?
i’m not sure it’s a slam dunk that danks would sign if picked that late. the sox (or whoever) would have to go over slot. boras would probably advise him to go back to college and hope that power develops.
hindsight 20/20 but, if money was the concern, he should have come out after high school.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
post-secondary education
is great, but if i were advising a kid picked out of high school in the top 2 or maybe 3 rounds by a team willing to pay slot, no way i advise him to go to college.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure i'd go that deep into the second round
but first round (like danks likely would have been) or sandwich pick? you bet your ass. maybe i’d go that deep if it were a pitcher, though, due to the higher risk of injury.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Momey wasn't the concern
I believe the Sox offered the 7 figure bonus he would have commanded, but he sent letters to all 30 teams telling them he was planning to attend college….
That being said, I think the Sox are the only team in baseball that he’d sign with in the 3rd round. They’ve built up enough good will taking him ni the 19th a couple years ago, and trading for his brother to get him with an above slot, but not 7 figure bonus. I think any other team unwilling to go to 7 figures will see him go back to school.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like i said "if" (yes, not clear what specifically i meant)
i know he wanted to be a longhorn. but hindsight now???
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i agree about your assessment about the sox being the only team
but would they go above slot? and would boras “let” him?
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll go over for Danks
$750-800K thereabouts… They don’t have a second rounder, only 2 of the top 100 picks. Gordon doesn’t project to break the bank.
And Boras works for Danks, not the other way around. There’s little doubt that he’ll advise Danks to go back to school, but I think that the prospect of getting to play with his brother will be enough for Danks to take the lead in signing on the dotted line.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's the kicker...
That he can play with his brother. Also, the fact that the Sox have buttered up him and his family for years. I would love the pick in the 3rd Round. He would basically be a much higher ceiling Ryan Sweeney.
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoak
Although a good hitter, is slow and a base clogger. I dont know about you guys, but im ready to see us get some guys who hit for avg and can do many different things for a team. Especially one that has some power and plays middle infield
by Rockraines on Jun 5, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
our first base clogging comment. I won’t even go there. But yea, that’s pretty much the same thought I had when we drafted Frank - that guy is gonna glog a lot of bases in his career.
by madvillian on Jun 5, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Links
Baseball Intellect: Scouting Gordon Beckham | Camden Depot: Finding Gordon Beckham
Saber-Scouting
7. Gordon Beckham, SS, Georgia
Bio: 6′0, 185, Bats R, Throws R, 21 years old
The Skinny: Everyone loves players at premium positions who can swing the bat and Beckham fits that description perfectly. There’s some question as to whether he can remain at shortstop, but he continues to answer any and all questions about whether his college production at the plate is for real, as he’s put up a huge season at Georgia. He may be a fringy shortstop, and not every scout is sold on his sometimes awkward swing mechanics, but Beckham put up some big numbers with wood bats in the Cape League and has done all he can to prove he can be an everyday big league bat up the middle.
Pros: Bat/Power/Position Combo
Cons: Swing Mechanics, Can he play SS?
Comparison: Michael Young with less batting average
Adjusted OFP: 58
SaberScouting Prospect Profile
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't changed my evaluation
I didn’t like the swing I saw in the cape league video… I assume he’s adjusted since then, but it appears he has some concerns about his mechanics.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring him up to the majors...
Walk will fix that swing in no time.
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
white scrappy shorstop
Khali Greene just sounds too black to be a good comp!
by bhoov on Jun 5, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i don't trust iranians
bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb iran
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Khali Greene looks like Geddy Lee
and I don’t trust Canadians, eh?
"We're gonna bring it all day, everyday...we're gonna keep grinding it out." - Nick Swisher (4/1/08)
by tailgater on Jun 5, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Khalil, GD it
We don’t want no steenkin’ Middle-Earthlings angry at us.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With less batting average.
Or Vince Coleman without, you know, speed.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 5, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or jose reyes without speed and batting average but more power
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's like
a Liger, minus the lion and the tiger.
He’s pretty much my favorite player.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 5, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that
over Khalil Greene or Aaron Hill
by Grinder in Training on Jun 5, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will this be televised? Can we ALL get to see him tomorrow?
Beckham, who is also a finalist for USA Baseball’s Golden Spikes Award, is playing Friday in the NCAA Super Regional against North Carolina State.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 5, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweet!
We’ll actually get at least 2 chances to check him out. 11 AM tommorow and sat. And then you can check out Posey, Alonso, Weeks and Castro later on.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/postseason/super-regional/2008/266270.html
by bhoov on Jun 5, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool! my weekend will be full of disappointments!
North Carolina State (41-20) at No. 8 Georgia (39-22-1)
Friday: Noon (ESPN)
Saturday: Noon (ESPN2)
Sunday: 4 p.m. (ESPN)
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
he’s Khalil Greene damnit
with Aaron Hill like defense
comparisons hooooooo
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 5, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well, come on...
clearly this was awful. why would you draft khalil hill over mark teixeira???
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking Aaron Hill ...
Failing to be excited.
Trying again …
Nope, can’t do it.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 5, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like others, I know nothing about amateur baseball.
So I’ll trust the fact that on almost every list evaluating the talent available in the draft, des keed is right there. (Yes I’m just rehashing what others said)
But looking at previous drafts, it hardly looks like the #8 pick is a lock to get in the bigs anyway.
by vince_ on Jun 5, 2008 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
gordo interview
Beckham recently concluded a conference call with reporters. Here were some of the comments he made:
On his improvement in the past 12 months in the Cape Cod League and in the Southeastern Conference:
“I felt confident after playing in the Cape and facing all those tough pitchers.”
On his power with a six-foot, 185-pound frame:
“I think my power is line-drive power. When I square up, I hit some line drives over the fence.”
On his ability to remain a shortstop:
“In my mind, I think I’m capable of playing shortstop in the majors. Where I end up isn’t my call. I won’t be disappointed if I move.”
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/06/white-sox-pick.html
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That fucking guy doesn't even care about where he plays? what a LOOSER!
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty smart for a Southerner
Aw, shucks kind of guy, ala Q!. Sounds like he has decent character.
Until he meets BA.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though Q went to Stanford
and can melt people with his brain waves.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jun 5, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he have to look at the people,
or can he do it just by imagining them?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and for those who still care about the long since over white sox season
crede out until friday and toby starts tonight. no word on crede’s replacement.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please be Uribe!
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's about time that lardy, lazy latino did something other than eat sunflower seeds on the bench.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's so lazy he eats the seeds AND the shells.
may 1, 2008 quote of the day: "get owens on the field immediatly… swish can take quintens role…"
by Toonderstrook on Jun 5, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do that too, but you have to chew them real wello
or else its like shitting broken glass
What would Kittle do??
by thecip on Jun 5, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never experienced razor-like projectiles out the hiney
What’s it like?
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear it's like a reverse BA
but i haven’t either.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The coverage is fucking terrible
the first round used to take 15minutes. 5 minute break. compensation round. 5 minute break. Second round would take about 12 minutes. 5 minute break. 10 minute 3rd round… and it would continue like that for the first 18-20 rounds on the first day.
We’re three hours in and just finished the first round.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Practical question
Where does a hitting prospect like GB start coming out of college?
Low-A? High-A? AA?
by vince_ on Jun 5, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You expect him to dominate high-A in his first (half) season
that’s where the sox will send him based on the lack of SS there.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ideally
He’d go to High A at the end of June. Dominate.
Start ;09 season in AA. Dominate.
Get a september call-up. Look respectable.
Force a tough spring training decision. Being ML ready by the ‘10 or ‘11 season.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you hope is he dominates, I gather. And look respectable.
I like that.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to Cooba, though
CF, maybe. His stick and speed will stick.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said anything about postition
In all honesty though, you expect a top 10 college pick to move quickly… that’s major leagues in ‘11 on the backside.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was kidding
no one knows what position alexei will be playing, either.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to help the draft some
that Alexei can play multiple positions along with Swish, two of their longest term guys.
by Grinder in Training on Jun 5, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So possible Sox '10 infield
Fields – Ramirez – Beckham – Swisher
I can dig it.
by vince_ on Jun 5, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice value pick by the Twins
Hunt was projected 12-20 pick
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Hunt?
(Snicker.)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you seeing double too? Or just drinking them?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 5, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The post got stuck, so I hit Preview
and it posted again.
Plus, it’s a lovely, creative post. (I love being twelve.)
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He must be at the airport with me
right now, because he was just paged.
by palehose67 on Jun 5, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 things :
1. Twins lost today (for those that scoreboard watch)
2. OFP: says 58 for GB. I think I recall that above 45(?) is prospectish, and the range goes to 80(?). Can anyone elaborate?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jun 5, 2008 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cheat, should we consider calling for a wellness check on wiz?
i’m concerned.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Watch A&E at 8 PM EST tonight - 'Intervention', starring The Wizard of SSS
Wiz’ SSS friends try to talk him out of BA’ing himself in the azzle. Starring Fatty Arbuckle as The Wizard.”
I’m there.
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm worried more about
revolvering himself in the muzzle.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and there goes the annual david riske compensation sandwich pick
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and there's the astros making another head-scratching pick.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness for the Astros
Without them, the Sox system would be the baseball blogosphere whipping boy. This way, at least there’s a tie. Plus the Sox have the excuse of criminals actively sabotaging the system—what excuse do he Astros have?
by hitlesswonder on Jun 5, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're even more concerned about slot than the Sox
They didn’t even spend $1M on the draft total last year
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that pick isn't even defensible on slot grounds
because there are players being drafted right now who deserve to be higher and would go for slot.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they're looking to pay below slot
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone smart
needs to do a cost benefit analyis on spending in the draft vs spending on say FA or foreign prospects.
I’d be willing to be that like most spending, there are times where being frugal makes sense, and times were being cheap is fucking retarted. I think the Astros fall into the latter.
by madvillian on Jun 5, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we're barely halfway to 86...
last year was more fun
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Jun 5, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
things picked up
and then espn called a halt to things. those guys picking looked totally exhausted….
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSH, how YOU doin'?
No one can know how it will all fall until it actually happens…
but if the Sox take Beckham over Smoak, I will be very pissed off.
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I took the "under".
by winningugly on Jun 5, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com drafttracker
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2008/drafttracker.jsp
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that must be his name
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it is, then the sox drafted the wrong guy
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the caption on his video was 'james g.' something
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i see now.
good call. i’m surprised they don’t mention his real name on his Dogs bio, or seemingly anywhere else.
by parkermo on Jun 5, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the Beckham pick...
show that the Sox don’t think much of Richar anymore?
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're implying...
that they ever thought a whole bunch of Richar in the first place.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jun 5, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
best. player. available.
beckham is likely to be a starter by 2011. long time in baseball.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was.justin.smoak.
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when does the 2nd round begin?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
aaron shafer to the flubs
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We're at 81, Danks still on the board
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
95
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
85
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
86: brent morel, 3b
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
6'01'', 220 lbs
Sox pick
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re
Morel, Brent Cal Poly San Luis Obispo 3B R/R 6’01” 220 1987-04-21 JR
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2008/drafttracker.jsp?...
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 minute video there also
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Danks?
I’m surprised. What is our next pick?
by SSH2005 on Jun 5, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
start counting by 30
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
#120
4 supplementals after rd 3
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by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
click the post below
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.368/.414/.586 | 15BB/25K | 18 2B,.5 3B, 8 HR for ‘08
I’m unimpressed. A no walk, corner bat doesn’t play at the major leagues.
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.gopoly.com/index.php?p=sports&id=29871&tab=roster&player=15051
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Petey Paramore, the catcher from ASU was available
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2008/index.jsp?mc=paramore
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2008/drafttracker.jsp?... (2:52 video)
2008 stats: http://thesundevils.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2007-2008/teamcume.html
went to oakland at #90
another kurt suzuki-donny lucy?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
These numbers may sum him up: In his first two seasons, he committed four total errors and walked 17 times more than he struck out. While he has a good game plan and handles the bat fine, particularly from the right side, it’s his all-around defensive acumen that should interest scouts the most.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Suzuki - Lucy fiasco is what has made me skeptical of the Sox drafting strategy
Not like a pick so late matters all that much, but selecting Guillen’s son last year didn’t inspire much confidence either.
The fact that they just passed on Jordan Danks in the 4th seemed odd.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jun 5, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one might posit
that danks has made it clear he’s going back to school.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royals are spending
just selected Tim Melville, once considered the top prep pitcher in the draft… Told teams not to take him unless he was getting top 15 money. I beleive he’s a UNC commit
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Draft update
By Mark Gonzales, 6:16 p.m.http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/06/draft-update.htmlThe White Sox selected Brent Morel, a third baseman from Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo, with their third-round pick in Thursday’s draft.
Morel wasn’t ranked among the top 200 prospects by Baseball America and has been compared offensively to former Cal Poly-SLO third baseman Josh Lansford, now in the Cubs’ organization.
A bigger development is the Sox passing on Texas outfielder Jordan Danks, the younger brother of Sox left-hander John Danks.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and now a Penn State righty
Andrew O’neil
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy! A reliever at that
ERA below 2 each of the last two seasons…. but a total of just 60 IP
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by The Cheat on Jun 5, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many innings should a college reliever throw?
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2,000
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no video
what a loser
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
already had tommy john
so at least he’s got that out of the way.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sox pick 120: andy o'neil, rhp, penn state
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the guy said
“I don’t know much about him. he probably has good velocity and command and such”
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 5, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The top two outfielders from college are undrafted
IMO, at least: Danks and Thames
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 5, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
third shortstop named beckham in the draft
this time the Devaris variety
by Daniel Berlyn on Jun 5, 2008 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Need to get all three on the same team...
move one to 1B and one to 2B.
“And its a hard hit ground ball to Beckham, who transfers to Beckham and then the turn to Beckham for the double play!”
by vince_ on Jun 5, 2008 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, lemme see...Low hit and HR rate, tommy john and rarely throws over an inning
“Hard boring 90-94 fastball with somewhat awkward mechanics and a low 3/4 release. Needs to work on command and developing a consistent secondary offering. The Sox may start him at first, but ultimately profiles as a reliever with a set up man ceiling.”
dude, that was totally not swish you saw on rush street last night. swish was at home playing xbox.
by colintj on Jun 5, 2008 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and yet brian smith loves him
i’m going with that guy.
by larry on Jun 5, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sox pick #150: daniel hudson, rhp;, old dominion
150 Hudson, Daniel Old Dominion U RHP R/R 6’04” 215 1987-03-09 JR 400K
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by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Late...
I was really disappointed (obviously) that we didn’t draft Smoak. Beckham… I dunno. He’s from U of Georgia so I’m predisposed to hate him but we did need a SS prospect.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Jun 5, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
will he stay at short?
While no one questions his ability to hit, scouts are split on whether Beckham has the hands to stay at shortstop.http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2008/266273.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jun 5, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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