KW Daily
by larry on Jul 10, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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Printno, not that KW. kenwo4life@aol.com, ya'll. the man. the myth. the legend. his insights are so deep. his rhetoric cutting. his logic simply unassailable. i feel his mastery of all things sox (and tiffany amber thiessen) should not be limited to the small audience that reads reifert's blog. he is an underappreciated artiste who deserves, nay, demands a wider audience. thus, i am taking it upon myself to provide a selection from his musings so that all of us here at SSS may read it, learn from it, and grow - both as sox fans and human beings.
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That is a terrible move. Personally I would have rather designated Konerko for assignment than Ozuna. This is not good for the team. With Konerko coming back, Swisher will be moved be playing every day in center field…so what in the hell do you need three center fielders for? Wise is a lefty so I could see keeping him…… Brian Anderson should have been sent down if someone had to go. Konerko, Thome or Swisher should not be on the team. One of them has to go and to get rid of Ozuna for one of them sickens me. Ozuna can fill in at any position, hit lefties, pinch run….I am very upset over this.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 8, 2008 2:14 PM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
by larry on Jul 10, 2008 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
For god sake ozzie….seriously what do you need a flag? How many times are you going to keep running out Linebrink in save situations. I have been saying it for over a week that this guy can’t close. It is painfully obvious yet Ozzie keeps putting him out there. This is going to ruin his confidence if it keeps up and he is going to be ** for the rest of the season. Octavio Dotel was a proven closer at one point in his career. This is the man that should be closing games out. Get your head out of your tushie Guillen and manage the damn game like it should be managed.
Other than that… even though they played like total slop, the manager has no clue on how to manage the bullpen now that Jenks is out and Carlos Quentin hit more pop ups than Willie Mays Hays we somehow managed to win. Any time you can separate is a good thing. And I am upset that Chef Ramsey picked Christina to run his kitchen instead of Petroza. Dont know if you watch Hells Kitchen but it is a quality show.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 9, 2008 12:05 AM
On July 3rd…TC, Scam, Swasfies or whatever and Mike Devereaux all were arguing with me that it doesn’t matter what inning Linebrink comes in…. Obviously it does matter as every time he has come in since he has given up at least one run. Now good ol Mike Devereaux is trying to steal my thunder like he said this first….I don’t think so pal! I called this one before it even started. Linebrink is not a proven closer. He never has been and never will be. He is an 8th inning guy, and a solid one.
Riefert hook me up with a scouting job i will turn the minor league system around quickly.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 9, 2008 12:19 AM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
So Ozzie finally took my advice and used Octavio to close. Worked out a lot better didn’t it….cmon people i have been calling for that move since Jenks went down…give me my props for goodness sakes.
If JD was truly upset over Cabrera stealing third with one out because he distracted him JD wins the *** of the month award. The way JD has hit in this series Cabrera should have tried to steal home too. Again I am not sure what all that was about but that was the speculation.
Javy and Jose need to get back to normal. We will not survive if they keep pitching like this. We won’t be playing the Royals forever.
By the way, I like the blog a whole lot better when we are talking about Tiffany Thiessen than politics.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 9, 2008 10:25 PM
How about you quit whining and don’t read my post if you don’t like it? It isn’t that difficult, I don’t read any of Dleeuns posts anymore. If I offend you read on! However, you can’t do that -because I am the straw that stirs the drink on this blog. Might as well call me Reggie…............
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 9, 2008 10:47 PM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
larry, do you have a good attorney representing you, since this looks like pre-meditatedness
leading up to a royal ass-kicking of Kenwo?
No, not you, a good attorney…
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
it would be hilarious especially since i'm not a prosecutor. disorder in the court, indeed.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 10, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
My understanding is that it is always hilarious when Toonder appears in court
;)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 10, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he wears his underwear outside of his pants?
I was told that was a courtroom norm…damn. So that’s why they put me in the clink the last time I went to contest a public urination ticket.
Good to know.
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
that would be pretty funny
if kenwo was like some super big dude with serious kickboxing skills, found out larry was posting his ridiculous commentary, and a fight breaks at the blog meetup (i mean this guy has to show up right?). i hope you other SSSers have larry’s back ;-)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 10, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
i'd rather be the lawyer
if a kickboxer whoops my ass, i’ll sue his ;-)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 10, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you think Hoodwink will show up and ask
“This fellow seems to make sense. Am I missing the humour”?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
from the archives
Personally liptak i think the sox can get away with jerry owens playing either outfield spot and batting leadoff…...that still leaves one outfield spot, one bullpen spot and even more so one pitcher for the starting rotation.
That will be the downfall of the sox this year. going into the year with danks and floyd is not the way to go. i dont like going into the year with one of them let alone both. I say look to rowand, andruw jones, carl crawford, miguel cabrera…you need one of them. then you also need to find a starter off the scrap heap. Freddy? Bartolo? i dont know but hopefully they will find someone.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on November 22, 2007 10:32 AM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
by larry on Jul 10, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
this is too good
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 10, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i enjoy his temerity.
by the way, can a brother get a recommend?
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
Yours, too
You’ve posted this before. But I had to give a recommend, since I didn’t previously. Too good. Keep kenwo coming.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said "tenacity".
My bad.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
after looking up the word temerity, I say I agree
I like how he talks about how dumb the AS Final Vote is, but also says he voted 200 times.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
You got a U of I education, didn't you, Nord?
;)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Honestly those were pretty rational points
Other than the typical fan-boy love for Owens, I thing most enlightened fans were worried about Floyd being counted on to give anything as well as Swisher’s ability to play a passable CF.
The love for Owens blows my mind though, the guy was one of the worst hitting corner outfielders to ever play the game.
if by "rational" you mean "widely held"
sure. i stated on here many times when posters were making the same rational point that maybe people need to quit looking outside the organization for that elusive starting pitcher and take a look at the ones the sox already have.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
at any rate, with my temerity point i was more getting at something which may become apparent to people on here as the selection from his posts get larger.
he likes to get his props when he’s right but…
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
So he's essentially SoB, but with a little common sense
and can play a little better with others?
Perhaps he was only locked in a closet for 1/2 of his youth, getting out for cub scouts and playtime one day each weekend?
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
Hey everyone, new poster here. I’m a big fan of this blog and all the insightful comments I’ve read here in the past.
Just one question for right now:
kenwo4life@aol.com, are you a kick-boxer?
Thanks and GO SOX!
By rhythm@berkeley.edu on July 10, 2008 6:31 PM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
What can I say?
For the good of the SSS meet up, it had to be done!
At least we now can better handicap the eventual brawl.
You’re welcome.
thanks for asking ;-)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 14, 2008 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
no response yet?
i gotta know
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
look down three posts here toward the end of the kenwo business.
"now, which is it gonna be: drive your car in the lake or get a dislocated elbow?"
by Toonderstrook on Jul 14, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait...
he didn’t think Pablo could fill all those holes?
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 10, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
i wish i still had the freetime for multiple blog readings
I used to be a regular on the insidethesox blog, that and the yahoo! message boards, but hte format change on yahoo was unbearable, and then last year Riefert was way too obviously a sox PR man, much too upbeat for the reality of the situation, and I jumped ship.
SSS for life
kenwo has been on there for atleast 4 years, but in the fisticuffs I’ll definitely cheap shot his ass for larry.
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
That was God awful. Konerko has been a pretty decent first basemen in years past. This year I think he is bringing his offensive struggles on defense with him. There have been a lot of plays that should have been made or could have been made that haven’t been. The sox are a better team without this balding buffoon. Thanks for a couple homers in the 05 playoffs but don’t let the door hit you in the caboose on the way out. Throw in the fact that I believe the other two center fielders may have made the play on Guillen’s fly ball (at least would have been a lot closer than Swisher) and you have another reason why the sox are better without him. I have never ever liked this guy since we got him (minus those couple homers in the 05 playoffs).
No I am not a kick boxer. If I was I would be kicking Konerko right in the Tush right about now.
But, we played like dump this series and won 2 of 3 so it isn’t all that bad. Shoulda lost all three to be honest.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 10, 2008 10:10 PM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
So we're developing a clandestine relationship
Nice. A paper trail. Who does your planning?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 11, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
sounds like justifiable homicide to me.
"now, which is it gonna be: drive your car in the lake or get a dislocated elbow?"
by Toonderstrook on Jul 11, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is Tush capitalized?
And he uses buffoon, and caboose. Golly gee willickers, we played like dump!
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 11, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That was my first question...
maybe he finds Konerko’s ass godly?
I believe in Harvey Dent
by homesickalien on Jul 13, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I have never cared for Konerko. I have made this point clear from the moment I first appeared on this blog. He is a dog of a player and personally I would have rather kept Mike Cameron 10 years ago.
All I said about Aaron Rowand is the sox should not just be pushing him in newsletters about the final vote. Carlos Lee was and is a better ballplayer. Rowand IS the single most over rated ballplayer the white sox ever had. He had a good 2004. Other than that he wasn’t all that great. Even his “stellar” outfield play wasn’t that great. Sure he made a lot of diving catches, but most good center fielders IE Torrii Hunter don’t have to dive to catch those balls.
Crede should not be on the all star team and JD should be. Thats all I said about him. His defense has been bad and minus a week or two his offense hasn’t been that great either.
I like Alexei Ramirez, just needs to have his head in the game more often. I also like Juan Uribe. I don’t like AJ but he should have made the all star team.
The rumored deal was Ervin Santana and Howie Kendrick for Paul Konerko. Should have been made. Without hesitation.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 11, 2008 2:58 PM
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If i had to bet the next person that will feel my wrath is still Paul Konerko. I don’t see anything offensively, defensively, attitude wise….. If any one player is going to bring the sox down this year look no farther than your good ol’ team captain. Hopefully we can over come.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 11, 2008 3:01 PM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
PK, you have been served notice
You are the next person to feel The Wrath Of Kenwo! All kneel before HIM!
I love this guy. Like Chris Wallken loved Dennis Hopper in “True Romance”. (And, yes, I haven’t killed anyone since 1987.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
handicapping who'll feel your wrath next
priceless!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
nothing stings quite like the wrath brought upon you by a kenwo-written blog comment!
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 11, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
this is compelling stuff!
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
2 games….2-2 record….. 4 games the white sox have played like garbage…... what is the common denominator in this? Paul Konerko. It is time to richie sexson this guy. If he goes on to have a great year for another team, so be it. The sox are better without him.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 11, 2008 10:34 PM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
i like that this guy is still producing.
and i also like his campaign to switch the culpability of all sox failures to pk. uribe wasn’t man enough to handle it.
i guess the next logical step would be for me to begin mass producing my new bumper sticker:
“don’t blame me, i voted to dfa konerko!”
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
Ya ya..Konerko was 4-4. The fact is if swisher wasnt at first in the 9th and if Anderson wasn’t in center in the 8th they would have lost the game anyway. Let me see him hit like this for a week or two then maybe i will lay off a little. hopefully we can sneak a win in texas and rest up for 4 long days. what in the hell am i going to do for 4 days without the sox besides search tiffany thiessen on google pics. :-) just kiddin
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 12, 2008 11:26 PM
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
editor's commentary
i like how he’s not backing down. sure, he could have said “it’s just one game” and left it at that. but he went to the hilt and made it clear that nothing would sway him from continuing to skewer his quarry by stating the only way he’d lay off “a little” is if PK goes roughly 35-35 over the next couple weeks.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
And I don't think he was kidding about that last part.
I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jul 13, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
all artists have their unique, shall we say, appetites.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
he's a goddamn pervert larry
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 14, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
"Saved by the Bell" fetish explains a lot
I’ll wager “Showgirls” is his favorite movie, too.
Coffee is for closers.
That rally killing ** Konerko…hit a * fly ball you head
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 13, 2008 4:33 PM
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
SSS has some issues with the formatting but i didn't want to change a thing. the bolding simply adds to the insanity, methinks.
That mother * * ** son of a bitch loser! How many * times does this guy have to burn our tushies before he doesn’t play anymore. Tying run on second and this * swings at ball four and takes strike three. This jerk goes 0-6 in a * park that the stupid * announcer has been saying is such a great place to hit in. Sure Thome and Quentin also made outs in the 9th but at least they came through on multiple occasions earlier in the game. This should not be allowed back to the park on Friday. I am going to that game and I will be booing his sally the whole game. terrible in the field , terrible at the plate….a left handed pitcher on the mound this jerk can’t hit him..we cut pablo who hits 350 against lefties for this * and he stinks. The whole organization should be taken to task for signing this * back in the fall of 05! I didn’t want his candy * then, I dont want it now and I hope that he never EVERRRRRRRRRRR comes back to the cell AGAIN!
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 13, 2008 6:15 PM
Report any abuse or spamAnd screw you TC I am not cleaning up my language for this mother * . He sucks and i can’t stand him and he ruined my * day that * ruiner
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 13, 2008 6:17 PM
Report any abuse or spam*
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 13, 2008 6:18 PM
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
kenwo, little league all-star.
Swas I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ…Went to high school and was just outstanding for 3 of the 4 years…jr. year being the exception. Didn’t have enough heat to get drafted unfortunately. Played in a highly competitive semi pro league on the south side that sent many players to the Thunderbolts and dominated on the hill for the most part in that league too until I blew out my shoulder last fall. No i never got paid to play but for 20 years I was one of the best area players on the south side. I know my way around the baseball field. I spotted when Linebrink couldn’t pitch in the 9th inning. I know that Konerko makes the white sox a worse team and if you don’t think he does then you are the one who has never played.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 13, 2008 7:00 PM
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
by larry on Jul 13, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ
I have a small suspicion this guy has a big ego
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
for reasons that are readily laughable.
let’s break this one down. this is why ken knows more than you about baseball.
- won championships, some consecutive, in little league. eat that michael “i won professional titles” jordan.
- was outstanding three of four years in high school. but not outstanding enough to get drafted.
- played in a really good semi pro league that often sends players to a non-affiliated baseball team in crestwood. but not him. even though he dominated.
- was never paid to play.
- knows where first, second, third, and home are on the baseball field. and the pitchers mound, too.
- discerned when no one else did that scott linebrink was giving up runs the last few times he pitched.
- played.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
by larry on Jul 13, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
don't forget 20 years of being one of the best area players on the south side.
which is tough for anyone to claim, i mean, what age range is he talking about? 15-35? 9-29? is the best player on a championship little league team considered a top area talent?
//hat tip to longevity and knowing your way around a baseball field.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
Curtis Granderson has nothing on him.
I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jul 13, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
this guy is completely insane.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
but hilarious
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
Won more titles in a row than MJ
But didn’t have enough heart to make it to the pros.
So, we can assume had he been truly committed to the game of baseball, he would have won 10 World Series in a row as a player/GM/manager, since he is so astute about everything. He would be the starting pitcher, set-up man, closer, utility man, and everything in between.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 14, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
i'm just sayin'
it might be interesting to invite kenwo to login into SSS…and then ban his little ass if he can’t handle the heat.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 14, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply actions
no. i think it's rather obvious that this guy will add nothing to the community at all.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
that's true
save the rumble for the blog meetup ;-)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 14, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Has that stopped anyone else from posting here?
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 14, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
well, logic has already been killed on this site
so i’m not sure if SSS can sustain more damage, like nude pics of tiffany thiessen
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
no. but that's wasn't what was proposed, was it. we don't need to be inviting people who don't contribute anything to post.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
He would, for about 5 minutes
and turn into MM’s new favorite poster, like that lunatic chisox113 or whatever his name was. Like a Roman Candle, he was. Kenwo’d be like a new chew toy that we would have to rip apart in 5 minutes.
God’s will. Not our fault. Have to thin the herd.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 14, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
GAYS R TEH WURST
he was my bestest friend for sure
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
god i miss chisox13. he was a phenom.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
So the "daily" part of this phenomenal thread is OVA?
Where are we to go without our daily kenwo?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
bunch of fucking whiners on this board.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
I didn't set the title of the thread, Mr. Gramm
If you were in McCain’s advisor camp you’d be DFA’ed right now.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 15, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Too little, too late
At this point, changing behavior is the only reasonable short term solution along with converting to nuclear and renwable power over time.
Drilling offshore and in ANWAR would not affect supply for years and even then only slightly.
Enough of your reason!
I wanted to hear what a republican had to say!
Actually, I wanted to hear what a knee-jerk republican would have to say, so I’ll have to ask around elsewhere, because as crusty as WU is, I don’t think of him as a knee-jerk kind of guy.
BTW, nuclear isn’t a great investment either, considering the amount of time it takes to get plants online and the cost of building said power plants. Using that money to fund renewables, even at their present efficiency levels, would provide more power for the money and prevent us from the nuclear waste dilemma.
Who TF is this? Do I have a twin WU? ;)
I liken it to the ‘70’s – Alaska pipeline was built, and it sure is a nice thing to have today. Drilling is much safer today than 30 years ago. I’d drill ANWR, I’d drill off the coast of FL. Won’t solve the problem entirely, but it’ll help. Lowering the speed limit to 55 (HA!) would also help. Nuclear, though more efficient and (relatively) safe, is too “hot potato” political – too many NIMBY’s, not enough people listening to research. (Seamheads as you are, most can relate to that on this site, I’d bet.)
I happen to think our “Army of One” culture needs to be smacked a bit before we rally ‘round the flag any time soon for any length of time (look at how quickly our solidarity dissipated after 9/11- and don’t give me any war crap, since they can’t effin’ build the building back in NY because of political/$ issues). Thus, we are tilting at windmills for right now, rhythm.
Fasten your seat belts. You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 15, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Even McCain says offshore wouldn't be effective
McCain on May 29, 2007 at a townhall in Wisconsin: [W]ith those resources, which would take years to develop, you would only postpone or temporarily relieve our dependency on fossil fuels. We are going to have to go to alternative energy.
The Energy and Information Administration estimates that offshore drilling wouldn’t impact supply until 2030.
would the oil produced by offshore drilling be used on the US market only?
or would the oil companies sell it on the world market?
and do you have any figures on the daily production of offshore drilling?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Doesn't make a difference where it is sold
Since it is not enough to replace foreign oil, the US would still buy from the world market. The producers would be able to sell at the world price either way.
any idea what offshore daily production would be?
I saw that
World demand for oil is set to increase 37% by 2030, according to the US-based Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) annual report.Demand will hit 118 million barrels per day (bpd) from today’s existing 86 million barrels, driven in large part by transport needs, the EIA said.
would our offshore production be like 10, 20, 30 percent of those 86 million a day?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I couldn't find offshore but for ANWR
Estimates for oil reserves in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge offer a relatively small contribution to the world market. “The total production from ANWR would be between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices.”[30] In May 2008 the Energy Information Administration stated the following:“The opening of the ANWR 1002 Area to oil and natural gas development is projected to increase domestic crude oil production starting in 2018. In the mean ANWR oil resource case, additional oil production resulting from the opening of ANWR reaches 780,000 barrels per day in 2027 and then declines to 710,000 barrels per day in 2030. In the low and high ANWR oil resource cases, additional oil production resulting from the opening of ANWR peaks in 2028 at 510,000 and 1.45 million barrels per day, respectively. Between 2018 and 2030, cumulative additional oil production is 2.6 billion barrels for the mean oil resource case, while the low and high resource cases project a cumulative additional oil production of 1.9 and 4.3 billion barrels, respectively.” [31]),
Compared with 10 million bpd from Saudi Arabia, this is nothing
and in my opinion, not worth wasting the wildlife reserve over.
And drilling doesn’t even address the problem, it addresses the symptom. Cut back on consumption and develop non-fossil fuel energy / transportation sources, and we don’t have to deal with these issues. Period.
Ride a bicycle or take public transportation instead of driving a car whenever possible.
i love my country. i work hard. i pay my taxes. i am entitled to cheap gasoline for me and mine whenever i want it.
"now, which is it gonna be: drive your car in the lake or get a dislocated elbow?"
by Toonderstrook on Jul 15, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Well drilling in Alaska won't give you that..
So you might as well find a different cause to get behind.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
for reference
saudi arabia produces the most oil per day at roughly 10 million bpd.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Per a McCain comment in the Washington Post
There is estimated to be around 21 bil barrels of oil in offshore areas. Figuring that is would take years and years to get it out, that isn’t much compared to 118 mil/day. Equivalent of 178 days of oil
thanks for the figures
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Absolutely asinine to risk the health of the oceans (ie a food source) over that
Thanks for the numbers.
Tilting at windmills...not quite
WU, I agree that the “army of one” culture, ie for me and about me for joewho, needs a swift kick in the pants. But even if we take the self-centered nature of the general public into account, I think a lot can be done in order to improve the situation without any additional government regulations. The government moves slowly, why wait for them.
I think if you tell people that they can save money by cutting back and then give them example of simple things that can be done to cut back, we can start to get somewhere now and the government can catch up with the public. This seems to be business as usual, from what I’ve seen in my short life, ie grassroots movement -> public sentiment goes in a certain direction -> government changes to reflect this.
The compact fluorescent light bulb is a nice start, providing that people know that the need to recycle those things at appropriate recycling centers because they contain mercury. Other things are to cut back on water usage, since it takes electricity to pump water. Turn the thermostat down in the winter, up in the summer. There are all sorts of little things we can do that I don’t think are addressed enough that they have gotten through to the general public.
Not so surprising to me is that for the average person, the largest amount of oil is consumed in getting food to your table. More than what is consumed by transportation or heating your house. Eating meat take a lot of resources, and I could get into this in much more depth, but essentially if you cut back on meat, you’re cutting back substantially on your petroleum consumption.
Also, eating organic food does a lot to curb oil consumption since pesticides and fertilizers are usually fossil fuel based molecules. And even better, if you can eat locally produced food as much as possible, you’re doing even better.
Overall, if the public would read the labels of where things are produced and try to make decisions about what consumed the least oil to get to you (ie should I eat this apple from New Zealand or from NY state?), a lot could be done to reduce oil consumption in the states. This also means eating things when they’re in season, instead of being able to consume whatever whenever, but I don’t think that’s too much of a price to pay (and this is where we need to lose the army of one attitude, I realize). And I also realize that this is where you say I’m tilting at windmills, but every little bit does count (and if it doesn’t then why do you vote?) and the more people that make changes the better things become.
I suppose this would be better discussed over a fine beverage, so get your ass out here!
by rhythm on Jul 15, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
thanks for the info
i learned a lot reading that
me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 15, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem, I would like to help any way I can
If you want any more info or specifics, I could try to answer your questions or point you in the right direction.
You can check out grist.org. I’ve found that the “ask umbra” section is pretty helpful. Grist came out with a book of easy thing to do to lessen your impact, which I haven’t read, but from the reviews I’ve seen I assume is worth a look (maybe read it inside a book store or check it out from the library?).
Just a word of advice though, don’t read through the comments sections of enviro-blogs. Way too depressing.
I can't use the dimmer switches on those
new lightbulbs, a real pain the arse. So i bought a job lot ofthe old ones as they are illegal to sell anymore over here.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
Why use a dimmer switch in the first place?
Mood lighting?
IKEA sells lamps that having a sliding voltage regulator that essentially works as a dimmer switch, as you can adjust the light intensity, and I’m fairly confident that there are LED lighting options that have the same option.
Dimmer switches (the three click variety that you screw a light bulb into) don’t save you any electricity, if that’s what you’re going for. It’s something with the way they are made, but you use exactly the same amount of juice whether the light is on full blast or half blast.
Do as you wish, but options are available.
don't lecture me pal
on being green, i cycle to work, when I don’t I always use public transport. I grow my own vegetables all that stuff I always have done, long before it became trendy. So I am entitled to use old fashioned style lightbulbs. The new ones probably use just as much energy as what they save in the manufacturing process cos they look to have a more complex design than the old ones.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
Whoa there killer, are you drinking again?
Lecture? Entitled?
You mentioned using a dimmer switch that doesn’t work with CFLs and I assumed that having posted that following a back and forth of ideas, you would be open to other options. I provided what I knew. I have no idea what you do outside of what you post in this blog, so don’t personalize.
I’m glad you cycle, grow your own vegetables, etc. That’s awesome and it’s a hell of a lot more than most people do, but I don’t think that entitles you to jack shit. If you want to use a dimmer switch with an incandescent bulb, do so due to your own free will, not because you feel it is owed to you.
entitled?
jeez, who does this guy think he is? an american?
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Bastard! You forgot to use "clearly"!
which I also fail to use quite often.
So I guess we’re both bastards.
Regards.
CFLs
don’t use significantly more energy to produce.
Also growing your vegatables isn’t necessarily better. Since an individual grower often uses less than ideal land for growing, he/she may require more water and fertilizer (or simply use them less efficicently) to grow his/her crop thus wiping out the energy savings from eliminating transportation of the vegatables.
Thanks for the links
Agreed that growing your vegetables isn’t necessarily better, but growing them organically and composting your food waste goes a long way towards helping the overall energy predicament and you may learn something useful as well. Planters can give excellent yields and be used year round, depending on where you are located and if you want to bring the box inside in the winter.
I think it’s also important to consider the other benefits of gardening as well; being outside and participating in a relaxing activity.
I plant potatoes in the back garden
it rains, they grow, then I dig the fuckers up and eat them. In my book that makes me clever and you a cunt
and I think global warming is just a con to screw more taxes out of us
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
"i think global warming is just a con..."
your sarcasm is just as biting as kenwo’s. is michael crichton your favorite bedtime read?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 17, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Good idea
Windmills. Boone Pickens investing a lot in wind and solar. I suspect the southwestern desert can give a little sun.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 18, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
changing behavior? telling americans to drive less and doing that in the short-term? sounds naive to me
why not improve mileage standards if you want a short-term solution?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
You don't need to tell them to drive less.
High gas prices force people to drive less and turn down the AC.
why turn down the AC? I'll die without AC
again, why not improve mileage standards if you want a short-term solution?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
what are you complaining about?
hot air rises…you should be fine in the basement. ;-)
"now, which is it gonna be: drive your car in the lake or get a dislocated elbow?"
by Toonderstrook on Jul 15, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
basement rules!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
improving mileage standards isn't exactly a short term solution either.
it’s not like auto companies overnight will be able to improve the fuel efficiency of their engines etc.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Interesting point
Since the auto companies can drastically improve fuel efficiency by cutting the weight of their cars and by putting less powerful engines in cars.
On the first point, plastic body panels can be used instead of steel. On the second point, why do you need 300 hp in a sedan? It’s just for boasting and stop-light drag racing, inefficient in it’s own right.
i think you underestimate how quickly such changes in design and manufacture could be enacted.
first, a company would need to design and test such vehicles. then they would need to build factories or re-fit their current factories to build such cars. we’re talking years here. there’s a reason the american auto companies are up shit creek right now – they bet their future on bigger (read: higher margin) vehicles. now those are not as practical. but, because of the way cars are made, it’s not like they can just magically stop a factory producing F-250s and start having it build focuses.
the market will take care of a lot of this quicker than the manufacturers/government can. people will simply purchase smaller/more fuel efficient cars. and manufacturers will step up to meet that demand. one can already see the shift occurring as the foreign manufacturers, harkening back to twenty or more years ago, are importing more of their vehicles into the US to meet the increased demand that their US factories isn’t meeting.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Wouldn't that suggest
that they can be brought in over night? Just because it’s not Ford and Chrysler that’s profiting from the changes doesn’t mean the industry isn’t capable of bringing in more efficient cars. American company’s are going to be lagging for a while, but the industry as a whole already has more efficient cars available.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
no. that doesn't suggest that.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Your suggesting they have the ability to import more of their vehicles to meet demand for the vehicles they’ve already been producing that already have better gas mileage, or no?
American car producers will not be able to make more efficient cars over night, yes, but other company’s are already well on their way. I’d consider within 2 – 3 years over night considering the pace at which most American’s buy cars. If 100 million hybrids showed up on dealers lot’s tomorrow they wouldn’t all be purchased anyways. Most Americans are in the process of paying off a car or in the middle of a lease as is, so by the time they get to their next car purchase their will be an option that has a more efficient engine.
Not even necessarily a hybrid, there are plenty of smaller sized cars made by imports that already get great mileage with a standard engine.
I’m not suggesting shifting everything into a hyrbid facility, I would say it will take company’s that didn’t already start making that shift quite a while to catch up, but those company’s (Toyota already, Honda in ‘09, Chevy with their Volt) that did prepare will be able to get enough cars to market that most people will have an option to buy a much more fuel efficient car the next time they go to buy one.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
"the ability"
that ability is not a large ability. i was referring almost exclusively to the prius which is not produced here in the US but in china and japan. the foreign automakers are not going to pull product on a large scale out of their other markets. that’s plain stupid. they’ve done it with the prius because demand in the US has exceeded by far what they expected and they’re able to charge a commensurately high premium for that. but they aren’t going to start pulling less, shall we say, exotic cars like the corolla off the lots in japan or korea to meet demand here. they have competitors over there, too, who would love to eat into that market share.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Engine efficiency or overall efficiency?
There are thermodynamic limits to the efficiency of an internal combustion engine and I’d venture to say that the engines in cars today are getting close to that limit.
What needs to be changed is the aerodynamic design, the weight of the car, and the power per unit weight in order to improve efficiency. A SUV is not aerodynamic, extremely heavy, and requires a lot of energy to get it moving. Couple that with the fact that people want to go from 0-60 in 2 seconds with all sorts of parasitic options (heated cup holders anyone?), and you have the makings of a really inefficient vehicle. So if you buy something smaller (station wagon?), more aerodynamic, and that accelerates slower, you have a much more efficient vehicle.
And I would argue that it would be great if all cars were hybrids in a sense that gasoline consumption would go down, the efficiency of the car would increase, and there would be much less air pollution (the original hook of the hybrid vehicle in the first place).
Even when gas was cheap
There was a waiting list for hybrids. The batteries require a unique process so shiftng current truck/SUV facilities into hybrid facilities takes a while
I agree, I was trying to make the point that the solutions are available now
and that they don’t need to invest in developing the materials, etc.
Regarding the safety testing, may materials have already passed the fundamental testing, it’s just the crash tests that need to be done, as you said. And these things do take time, but new models can be put out in 3 years or less, from my understanding. Although not overnight, better products should be able to hit the market in 2-3 years, it you assume that they weren’t being designed until the last year or so.
And I will point out that many models are available with various engine size options. When consumers choose those that actually fit what suits their needs, they will have gone a long way to curb consumption.
not sure what you mean by new models.
if you mean new models of “current” vehicles, such as what toyota is doing for the prius right now for 2009, yes. if you’re talking about a new car, longer than that. it would be both technologically and economically infeasible for a car company, and the industry as a whole, to make a huge shift in the makeup of their vehicle lineups. we’re really talking a seismic shift in automobiles here. the american car companies literally cannot invest right now. so they are largely unable to retrofit, let alone build, new factories. and the foreign manufacturers, while doing much better financially, would be unable to pick up the increased demand from people who would normally be buying SUVs from, say, ford and now want smaller cars but can’t get them from ford. we’re going to see a bit of a misalignment over the next few years in terms of what consumers want and what’s actually available. unfortunately, this will cause many cars, like a corrolla or something, to increase in price because of supply not being able to meet the demand (it’s ironic that american car companies didn’t want to produce small cars because of the low margins – oops!). this will work itself out over the next 3-7 years. but capital investing, which is what such a shift in demand requires, takes time – especially in these economic times, where you’re going to see some or all of the big 3 in bankruptcy by the end of next year.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
By new models, I meant the Chevy Volt
I saw it first at the 2007 Chicago Auto Show, and it should be hitting the roads in 2010.
But I see your point, that it takes some time for auto companies to shift their focus. I also agree that they’re up a creek from betting on the wrong horse, so to speak. I would argue that this is an opportunity to support smaller auto companies that are already producing more efficient cars, like Tesla (high budget) or Zenn (low budget) and explore the “trickle up” effects. Admittedly, I’m a big fan of electrics. For years the big 3 have ignored a siognificant sector of the public that wanted more efficient cars, so F them (although I realize it isn’t that simple).
I hope that we can see more efficient models soon and with a minimal net loss of jobs.
oh, yes. the investment in the "alternatives" to the big three has certainly picked up.
and the auto suppliers are increasingly interested in dealing with them (read: better price terms) because they provide additional diversity to their customer list. and, of course, likely won’t be filing for bankruptcy. at least not until a few years after chrysler et al do.
that’s another point that’s worth mentioning here. it’s not just the big three we’re talking about these days. it’s the suppliers, too. many of whom are currently under bankruptcy protection (delphi), just got out (dana, federal mogul, dura), or are liquidating in bankruptcy (progressive moulding). think these guys have the spare cash to be creating innovative new products for their customers or expanding production capacity or retrofitting to meet changes in demand? ha.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
I didn't know about the supplier troubles
but you make a good point.
For electrics, I’m not sure they have to rely as much on the big suppliers, but that’s just guessing.
Another thing I should look up, I suppose. And possibly another market I could exploit, BWAAAAHHHHAAAHHAAHHHAA
well, a lot of the stuff that goes into a "regular" car goes into an electric car, too.
seats are the same. steering wheels, seatbelts, etc. the guts of the car are different to one degree or another, of course, but lots of it is the same/similar and is produced by the same suppliers who supply the big companies.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
True
for clarification purposes, when I think of delphi, I think of alternators and I know dana makes rear-ends (rear-axles).
Because of my own biases, I hadn’t thought of companies producing seat-belts as the ones you were pointing out with respect to money woes.
they're all hurting.
amusingly, in a liquidity bid, delphi last week sought permission from the bankruptcy court to sell off their interest in a lithium-ion battery JV. probably not the best time to be getting out of that particular biz but thems the breaks.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
do you know this information off the top of your head?
or did you do research on this before engaging in this discussion?
me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 15, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He posted elsewhere that he's done some research into the topic
as per a case he is involved in.
Or are you asking me?
asked this before i got down there
but i figured this is something that has interested you and you’ve looked into it and researched about it
me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 15, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
what do fluffers have to do with the environment?
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 15, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
off the top of my head.
in my line of work, you learn a whole lot about some random stuff. anyone want to talk about open wheel racing?
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
It's not like the technology isn't there.
They don’t have to do anything over night, Hybrid’s are already around. The fact that a lot of people can’t afford to just buy a new car on a whim b/c they want better gas mileage is a different problem, but car company’s can improve gas mileage and have.
Really though, It’s not even so much the car company’s problem as it is was the consumers. If they had demanded more gas mileage the last 15 years these cars would have been on the market sooner.
Americans kept demanding more space and more horse power. That obviously has changed as the industry has basically stopped selling SUV’s over the last couple quarters.
More efficient cars are a much more realistic option than off shore drilling, even a lower class family will buy a new car before any of those drills get in the ground.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
how many hybrids can be made right now?
technology isn’t the issue. it’s production capacity. this isn’t a paint factory or something where you can go from blue paint to red paint overnight if you want to. car factories are very specialized. don’t you think toyota would love to be able to meet the demand for priuses right now instead of having waiting lists? but, instead, just when these cars are really taking off they’re having to take production lower because they’re re-fitting their prius factories to make the new (better and more fuel efficient) prius.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
if JoeWho is right
or even close, He suggests people buy a car every 8 years.. lets suggest it’s actually half that and it’s only every 4 years, that’s still enough time for those ahead of the curve to keep a steady supply of cars available with more fuel efficient engines.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
if you say so.
if you actually know how to do such a thing in practice, please give me a call. i know some rich people who would like to become richer who would pay someone quite handsomely if they could deliver on your promise.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Are you suggesting only the Prius & other hybrids that have started to go to markets along with cars like the Volt..
or just more efficient cars in general.
Things like a 4 cylinder SUV (Vue, Santa Fe, Hyrbid Escape, etc.. ) vs. a Hummer
The average car mileage could still be doubled without everyone buying a hybrid if they just purchased the smaller more efficient cars that are already available.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm curious.
do you think there are a whole bunch of these smaller/more efficient cars that are already available sitting on dealer lots that are simply not being purchased? or that increased production of these cars could occur quickly? like i’ve said before, car factories (and the factories of the suppliers who supply the car manufacturers) are not paint factories. shifting production requires both lots of time and lots of money. to suggest that ford can just decide tomorrow to stop producing as many F-150s and start producing more focuses is naive and blithely ignores the business realities of the auto industry.
it would cost ford about $300M to idle production at just one SUV/truck plant (to wit, they have these nasty little things called union contracts which have these nasty requirements that ford isn’t allowed to do nasty things like just fire everyone in a factory – even if they idle a plant, the employees still get paid. yay union!), retrofit that plant to produce smaller/different vehicles, retrain the employees, get the quality control up to sufficient levels, and start actually producing the new vehicles for customers. total time, optimistically, is probably nine months. multiply that by about ten factories for each of the big three. also consider for a moment whether the companies who actually do the building and retrofitting of these factories would be able to handle the sudden demand for the services in such a timeframe as well. it’s not like there are dozens of companies with legions of experienced employees who can do this work just waiting to get at it. this sort of stuff usually occurs at a pace of a factory or two a year with some smaller scale work at other factories.
this should provide some insight – though their numbers are amusingly understated:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/AUTO01/806110388/1148
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Excellent points
Detroit numbers are “amusing”. What boneheads. (I think GM goes tapioca before Chrysler, but that’s me.) And even Vietnamese motorcycle builders for a Japanese company are going on strike as of 2 days ago, so good luck with the “cheap car” thing.
Unless you want the Indian plastic $2400 car, made by Tata Motors. Yep, that’ll catch on here, I’m sure…
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
For an around town car, doesn't seem so bad
I think the masses need to shift their buying requirements.
Another thing that I haven’t often heard is why people don’t have an efficient car and rent a minivan or pickup truck when taking a vacation or hauling necessary goods. I offer that suggestion with the caveat that I’m talking about people going on vacation once a year and hauling things less than 10 times a year. You know, most people in the US.
well, i have done analysis of all of this so, while i'd love to be more specific about the risk and status of the big three, what i've said already is sufficient enough for the polite, uninterested conversation here.
suffice to reiterate, there ain’t many out there who think any of them will last into 2010 without chapter 11. what the date certain is for each is for the distressed mavens to philosophize over.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
uninterested or uninteresting?
I’d be interested in what you have to say about the analysis you’ve done, even if via email.
unfortunately, the pesky attorney client privilege and work product doctrine prevent that.
i’ve given the broad strokes. i have a lengthy resume dealing with the auto industry so my opinion probably is sharper than most. but, outside of chrysler, there’s dollops of public info about these guys and how they operate, if you’re interested in becoming interested. or are just interested on an intellectual level.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
or, i should mention, you can pay my rates.
i give a SSS discount. but there’s no deep discount for poor students and pensioners.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Well, I'm no longer a poor student
and a long ways from being a pensioner, so the discount wouldn’t apply anyways.
Thanks for the start. I’ll try to indulge my intellectual curiosity and fill in some of the blanks since I don’t think I can afford your rates, SSS discount considered.
LOL
$400/hour, IIRC.
If I were involved as heavily as it sounds like you are, well worh the price.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Hmm..that's better than I expected
I could probably save up for an hour of larry’s time, high school lunch money style!
Somewhat on-topic...
While in France we visited a Smart car factory in Hambach where most of the cars looked like this:
For a good amount of the tour I was thinking about how difficult a sell those would be in America… I feel kind of guilty, too, because I’m as much a part of this ‘lazy’ culture as anyone—take, for example, driving a car to a fast-food place that’s less than two miles from my house.
Maybe this is overly paranoid, but I’m developing an extreme uneasiness about where this country will be heading during my lifetime.
One of my running buddies has 2 of them - parts were shipped here,
then assembled. He’s a urologist and drives all of 1 mile to work in it (with a bumper sticker that says “size matters”). When we have to run the hills in Clermont (at the Triatholon Nat’l Training Center, which is the highest point in Cent’l FL – 280 ft. above sea level!) like we will this weekend, and we have to drive 1/2 hour, he filches a ride with me in my SUV. Smart cars are neat, like a Vespa with a roof, but even Samrt car owners will tell you they’d rather have some comfort over a longer drive.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
You can get one used
for pretty cheap.
You can also pay a little bit more for an electric scooter and not have to pay for gas! (full disclosure: this is a link to a friend’s shop, but there are other shops offering electric scooters)
Good point, WU, but I think you may be missing something
Small cars like a smart car are meant for around town, and not for driving long freeway distances. Most people travel less than 40 miles total in a day, so a small car makes a lot of sense for those applications.
If a family has 2 cars, and assuming that they both parents don’t drive more than 40 miles to and from work, it makes sense to have a small, around town car and then another car for longer trips. In my ideal case scenario, you would have an electric for around town and a hybrid (prius, escape, or what have you) for the longer tips. It’s just that people expect seem to buy two cars that they can fit all of the crap from their house inside of with the capability of off-roading from Florida to Alaska. Completely impractical.
If people switched their purchasing habits to their needs, curbing consumption would follow and help ween ourselves off foreign oil.
And if they drive short distances how much
are they really impacted by prices? I drive 20+ miles one way and it definitely makes a difference. And folks used to like to joy-ride around on the weekends, or have a driving “destination” vacation. And if you’ve driven in Orlando (the “least friendly driving town in the country” according to some magazine) you know you need 3 things: acceleration, responsive sterring, and mass (to avoid getting crumpled by Grandpa/lost tourists/macho young male white/Latin/black speed freaks/Asians). So the Smart doesn’t exactly give one a feeling of comfort, especially since it will be awhile before Sequoias/Yukons/Expeditions/Escalades, et’. al will be traded in for itty-bitty 45 mpg bite-sized vehicles.
And can a family afford a “specialty” car in addition to the other two most 2-parent families need (to say nothing of having a teenager)? Insurance is a mutha (I hate insurance).
What’s a ween? Is it what I think it is? And why can’t I keep mine? ;)
PS I agree we ought to downsize. Not, not gonna happen unless prices keep going up.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Intersting WU, you're echoing the "army of one" sentiment you said needs to change, though I understand why
Change starts with the first person. If you take your SUV off the road, that’s one less that every other small car driver needs to deal with. Change often comes slowly, but slow is better than no.
I think you are misunderstanding my argument. I think that you have 2 cars total for a family. One around town car (smart car, electric sedan, or an electric minivan) the other car for longer trips. I said nothing of a teenager, because I think we need to get out of the idea of 1 car per family member. I’m happy that a lot of people have been rich enough lately to afford a third car for their kids, but economically that’s becoming more of an impossibility. The market will correct, will it not? If it costs too much, why keep doing it?
Most of us never had a car in high school and we did fine. It’s called a bicycle or borrowing the p’s car when necessary.
I imagine that insurance on a smaller, cheaper, and slower car will be lower than the status quo.
Besides, what better way to make sure your kids aren’t going behind your back and driving to New York than making sure they can only drive 120 miles before having to charge for 4-6 hours. ;-)
I agree that price increases will push more people to downsize, but I also want to believe that as more people realize the impact of their actions, they will seek to change them. Just the optimist in me.
And you admitted to losing your ween with your most recent annual
remember the analgesic cream and Beck cd?
I've seen a significant number of those out here in the Bay Area
And even some doing 60 on the highway, although I’ve read that they are subject to wind gusts, especially at highway speeds.
A nice little car for around town and getting to and from work.
A bicycle also works well for that (providing you live close enough).
plus, with a Smart car
you can “perpendicular park” alongside the curb because its so short, it doesn’t stick out into traffic.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
Yep - it's a sight.
I agree with the “why not ride a bike, or take a Vespa, for short trips?” camp. But whatever floats your boat. (I must reiterate, I am more Libertarian than Republican.)
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The one issue with that
Is if you have a dress code at work. I would love to ride to work but I have to wear a suit. Unless there is a brilliant suit-hanging device for bikes I don’t know about, riding just isn’t practical.
Keep a change of clothes at work
Just like the secretaries in the ‘80’s wore sneakers to work and changed into dress shoes at work.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
exactly
and I do know of a garment bag bike
They are a little on the expensive side, but better to not go cheap and ruin your suit, I suppose.
I heart U, man
You and Todogg type as badly as I do.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
I've actually seen several of these in the suburbs
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 15, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Improving mileage standards in a fine idea
But that doesn’t do anything for all the vehicles currently on the road. Since the economy is doing so poor, fewer people are going to be buying new cars so better mileage standards would take a while to take effect.
AC (I meant home AC, not car AC) takes a lot of electricity. When electricity prices goes up, people cut back. Same goes for gas prices. High energy and gas prices incentivize people to do the same things that increases standards do.
yes I agree improving mileage standards doesn't do anything for the current vehicles
but isn’t it a quicker solution than offshore drilling?
any figures on what’s the turnaround for today’s car fleet? 5, 10 years?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Until the market gets straightened out and the dollar becomes worth the paper it’s printed on again I think it’s safe to say any recent estimates will be pretty off.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 15, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
IIRC the average person sells their new car after 8 years
That is not exactly the same thing, but it’s a rough estimate.
My basic point is
High energy costs incentivize improved energy efficiency. People and businesses do what is economically attractive. Right now that means being energy efficient. Mandates on top of that wouldn’t have much of an impact.
Though one area in which it would would be AC efficiency standards. Since often times the person buying the AC unit (i.e. landlord) isn’t the one paying the bill (i.e. renters), people buy the unit with the cheapest up front cost (the inefficient models).
and purchase more fuel efficient cars.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
This is where the "Army of One" crap needs to stop
yes you should drive less, and there are economic reasons to do so. But the “you can’t tell me what to do” attitude is bullshit and people are naive if they think they can keep living the extravagant lives they now feel entitled to.
It seems to be the “ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure” argument to me. If we consume less, we give ourselves a longer “runway” with which to change our infrastructure and feel less of a jolt when oil prices double from what they are now. Invest now, or pay (at least) quadruple later.
i'll be sure to post boring crap to fulfill your need for daily.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Did I say MY need?
The title is “KW Daily”. You set the title. Change it if it isn’t accurate.
Who had a run on YOUR bank today?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 15, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
was the rest of the post "accurate" as well?
why would the title be any different.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
I don't know - I'm a headline guy
Don’t personalize it if it’s meant in fun, which is was, and is. You were doing it daily 7/10-13, andthen stopped. I gave you crap, like we do on this board (bored?). I’m sure no one expected you to do it every day, because kenwo is hellbound for jail, an institution, or the morgue in short order, like Travis Bickle, and will IMO, soon be unavailable for comment. (Even if you had set a precedent, which was much appreciated.)
Fer Chrissakes.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Not sure if I read him correctly, but I thought larry was joking as well
if it makes you feel any better.
So, when are you and your wife visiting Napa again?
not this year. wu pussed out.
"now, which is it gonna be: drive your car in the lake or get a dislocated elbow?"
by Toonderstrook on Jul 15, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I did puss out
though my Chicago trip next month will be absent the wife and kid – could not make it work – so she might now be amenable to going to Napa in the fall….Helluvan idea!
If all the banks don’t fail first.
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or maybe especially if all the banks fail. anarchy in wine country!!!
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 15, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Free Pinot! I'll wear the Alexei shirt
Shame we can’t change it to Chelexei – much better name on that t-shirt.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
your wife will go to napa alone? will her cousin be there too?
miss manners is skeptical
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Wife back in town
What’s the weather like in Napa in December? She doesn’t want to come out there until we finish the marathon Thanksgiving weekend. I get it – FOCUS, unrelenting, until mission accomplished.
Like our intimacy. Goal-oriented, goddammit.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
december: ~60 highs, ~40 lows
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 16, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Non-kenwo: sorry
We’ll look at either Jan/Feb or this comng October, perhaps. Wife wants to run our scheduled marathon Thanksgiving, I wouldn’t mind going earlier. I probably lose the discussion.
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by winningugly on Jul 17, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Non-kenwo: no problem
comng out here in October would be sweet, good weather abounds. Jan/Feb can be relatively cold, rainy, and crappy.
Man up and make it happen, runner boy. We have beverages to drink, goddammit!
i remember when this thread was about the wonderful things that kenwo would say.
now it’s oil drilling and smart cars. you people fucking suck. i got all excited for a potential kenwo rant and this is what i get? fuck this. i’m outta here.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
WU's pissiness shut off the spiggot.
new thread will likely appear after the ASB.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Yeah, put the astroglide and box of kleenex back on the floor next to the computer chair
better luck next time, POS!
I'll also add that I've liked the discussion of smart cars and oil drilling on this thread, even if this may not be the best forum - stealing kenwo's thunder and all
I’ve learned some and I’ve liked the exchanges of ideas / perspectives. Nice to shoot the shit about relevant topics other than baseball some times.
nothing says 'waste of a thread' like someone admitting they've learned some and liked the exchange of ideas.
this site is falling apart.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 15, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trade everyone!
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 15, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
dfa all of these bitches!!!
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
i'm a real recommend prude, but had i given mine to this thread i would follow your lead.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
Marie…you are right. I don’t appreciate that. I am 10 times smarter baseball wise than he is. Anyway….why does everyone think I am anti Sox now? I have been saying that since probably christmas time (maybe a little later) I think they will win the division. That hasn’t changed. Just think they would be better off without Konerko.
Our White Sox guys didn’t do anything tonight! I expected Carlos to win the game multiple times. Thank goodness Young’s fly was deep enough to score Morneau…I didn’t want Carlos looking even worse. Home field in the series for the AL…thats always good. Now I am going to be extremely board the next 2 nights. No white sox, no wrestling, no chef ramsey…maybe I will go see Motley Crue tomorrow nite!
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 16, 2008 1:34 AM
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
Thank you, larry
I’m no longer board. Even though there is NO WRESTLING!
You gotta keep this coming. He has a healthy enough ego to post something every day.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 16, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, he posts almost everyday. not all of it is amusing.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
No white sox, no wrestling, no chef ramsey...maybe I will go see Motley Crue tomorrow nite!
It’s like we’re in the jungle, observing an exotic species, looking for insights into its habits, and now we get to see how it masturbates.
Excellent material!
by rhythm on Jul 16, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brillant Comment
If I read that sentence in a book, I would have thought it was a really hacky way of illustrating that the character is a meat head/ white trash. Knowing that an actual person wrote that about themselves makes me laugh/cringe/pray for his children.
you and the rest of the world.
And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder
no wrestling..
If this guy didn’t say he already say he’s over the age of 20 and played in a non-paying pro league, I’d have assumed he’s 12.
This is way late.. going to back one of his old posts, but what is the definition of a semi-pro league?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 16, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
How can you win the game multiple times?
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 16, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, maybe if you had won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ
and knew your way around the baseball field, you would understand how you can win the game multiple times.
Loser! You’re probably not even 1/10 as smart baseball wise as kenwo4life.
;-)
I told you guys he was a wrestling fan!
Ken + NWO 4 life
Ah now the obvious train is leaving the station, glad I’m on board!
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
it's nice to see you and kenwo are standing on common ground.
it’s prolly getting scary for you how similar you and kenwo are!
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
Has anybody said I'm not?
Really, have you ever seen me and Kenwo in the same place at the same time?
Oh the intrigue must be killing you…4life!
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
no. or maybe yes. i'm not sure.
i guess having never seen either of you this is a tough question for me to answer.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 16, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you should install some cameras outside your home MM.
Well, like most of America's cultural elite, I worship Pan, goat god.
by omnipotent grab on Jul 17, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
no picnics in the wo household.
I am going to the game on July 20th. I am bringing my son for his first ever game. He is going to see the Harold Baines statue unveiled and receive the 83 t-shirt….too bad he’s only 10 months ….but I am going to take lots of pictures and he will always be able to say the first game he went to was when they put up Harolds statue. Also Thome is close to 2000 hits so that would be cool if he did it on that day. My brother’s first game was when Carlton Fisk got his 2000 hit. My first game was at Wrigley field because my dad’s first game was there. I am stopping that tradition.
but picnic in the park for 250 isnt gunna happen. I am a sox fest guy, not a picnic in the park guy.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 16, 2008 6:17 PM
by larry on Jul 16, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
wo is awfully close to wu. coincidence? i think not. colin may not be wu's son, but...
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 16, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Let the finger pointing begin!
Which of us is Kenwo?
Try and guess which one it is. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
once they figure it out they'll wonder how they didn't realize before.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 16, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Just need to figure out which one of us drives the bitchin' Camaro with T-tops.
And who has the Wolfpac posters hanging over their beds, with Konnan flashing pseudo-gang signs and Kevin Nash looking all tall and shit.
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
What's great about kenwo is he's alrady disappointed in his son
only being 10 months young. Picture Jimmy Piersall II’s new movie, “Fear Lashes Out”, as kenwo’s son, now 15 years old, discovers an Uzi and plastique.
This guy has DNA that hopefully will last for another 80-90 years. larry, you will never run out of material.
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by winningugly on Jul 17, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, when you're a Sox Fest guy, and not a picnic in the park guy
not to mention a guy who knows his way around the baseball field, you’re bound to be disappointed by friends, family members, other bloggers that don’t know 1/10 of what you know baseball-wise…
if only I had been a semi-pro ball player, I could possibly be as miserable as poor kenwo. I should have tried harder, but I just didn’t have enough heart I guess.
i figured that we all drive bitchin' assed camaros. they are the only badass car in town.
i always associated camaros with italians, not sox fans. is it both?
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
"i always associated camaros with italians, not sox fans. is it both?" - It's funny because it's true
/Homer Simpson voice
I almost pissed my pants when I read that. We must have gone to the same high school.
let the speculation stop
i’m kenwo
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 17, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions
All this stuff is a joke right?
I mean he’s taking the piss, it’s not real, i can’t believe anyone takes it seriously.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
you are one philosophical POS today.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The high does that to you.
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by winningugly on Jul 17, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
So that’s what my dealer was talking about the other day
I didn’t realize “the heat” mean crack.
You learn something new everyday, I suppose.
Oh yeah man
Who’s your dealer? Oh wait, you’re on the left coast aren’t you?
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
Yep, I'm a left coaster for the time being
much easier on my cardboard shelter out here. man, I feel for MM. Living out of a cardboard box in Chi-town sucks.
I might pack up my things and move to TX because Tim from Texas gave me a line on an awesome dealer down there Tulia. I believe his name was Jose and Tim told me to tell him that “Mexicans are pussies” in order to get the best stuff. I was hoping to hitch hike over there and check it out in the Autumn.
Care to join me? It could be an alternative SSS meet up to that blogger thing with kewnwo4life.
i'm good right now.
i’m more of an outhouse to penthouse and possibly back to the outhouse type of guy. i’ll prolly be dead before i’m homeless, but that doesn’t mean that either option is a long way away. i mean, c’mon, is goog really gonna trade back down to 450? fuck!!
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
The Olympic baseball team
THE indignation of the fans at Sunday’s serious setback thundered. That says it all: fan-at-ics!
But people forget the fact that they [the players] are now in South Korea, a country where we do not even have an embassy and where our athletes are continuing their training.
In any event, it is not they who deserve the heaviest criticism if something didn’t go well. They are going to an Olympic Games that will take place on the other side of the world, where the hours of sleep and the rhythm of life are different. They have an intense physical training program, all directed at the last participation of this sport in the Olympic Games, because that was what has been decided by the rich and powerful masters of the Olympics. They have not been beaten. We shouldn’t dishearten them. Let’s send them a message of encouragement.
Why don’t we wait for the end of the Olympics to fully discuss, in a genuinely democratic way, the responsibility of everyone involved in Cuba’s sports?
We dazzle our people with our successes and promises in sports, but afterwards we don’t even dare publish the names of those who betray their homeland by selling themselves to the enemy. A lot of science and little conscience would seem to be our bureaucratic slogan in training our athletes, in what is a vital social sector, the objective of which is not glory or gold medals, but the physical and mental health of our people. How much it upsets us when one of them is injured in intensive training or in an accident, like the one Pedro Pablo Pérez has just suffered. The distressing accident that has him on the verge of death is also a blow to a great Olympic promise, his wife Yoanka González.
Let us not forget the feats of Ana Fidelia [Quirot].
Despite adverse circumstrances, our athletes shine out for their human and patriotic qualities. Not even one in ten of them succumb morally to the deluge of offers in a world plagued by peddling, vice, drugs, doping and consumerism, in which our homeland shines as an example that is hard to imitate.
We will never allow traitors to visit the country afterwards and parade the luxury items obtained in this despicable way. We also should blame ourselves.
wow, kenwo wrote this?
;-)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 17, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
fidel weighs in on the blanton trade
I really don’t care for what the A’s are doing trading all of their players. They were not far out of it at all before this debacle. Of course some will say Billy Beane is a great GM…I think he is a tool
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 17, 2008 7:37 PM
Give me proven veterans. You can have all of the prospects you want off of my team. Veterans=success Prospects= 5 years of dump waiting for them to develop and then when they do you get rid of them too. vicious cycle.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 17, 2008 7:39 PM
Yeah it sure is a vicious cycle having young prospects ready to supplant or even aid a veteran ballclub
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 17, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess no good veteran player was ever a prospect...
They just go straight from high school or college to stud proven veterans.
Someone with much time on his/her hands
needs to compile the “Best of Kenwo” in about a month. It’ll be a Book-of-the-Month selection in < a week. The title could be “All That I Learned About Baseball I Learned Before I Was 5 Years Old”.
I love this guy as much as I love Ichiro, my Alexei shirt, and larry’s avatar.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
here come the financials wu!
time to sell your goog and pick up some brokerages!
you old pos.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
Shoot, the time was Monday.
Effiin’ short covering rally. Won’t last. Another 5% up and then we’ll talk. Painful right now, though. Interesting that Wachovia Securities (the proud owners of AG Edwards, et. al) was raided by various state regulators today re: auction rate securities. MER earnings sucked after the close, too.
Short covering in financials. Not a real rally. Fundamentals suck, suck, suck, and pain is not over yet. Good trades, though.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
yeah, it's a trader's market right now.
day-to-day stuff has been wild, but stocks haven’t been a good hold. i’ll be interested to see what c does tomorrow. the mer earnings don’t bode well. a lot of big moves in equity. i’m not sure if you’re familiar, but check out skf. it’s ultrashort financials. like watching crack become a listed commodity.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 17, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah ,we ought to be talking about kenwo's take on the environment,
tree-hugger.
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