When Janks comes back ...

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 8:32 AM CDT Comment 48 comments

who goes -- Adam Russell or D.J. Carrasco?

Tough decision

The Sox's staff has a pleasantly difficult decision because either rookie Adam Russell or D.J. Carrasco, who saved the bullpen with 51/3 innings in his only game Friday, could be taken off the roster to make room for closer Bobby Jenks when he comes off the disabled list.

"No matter who we send down, who we trade or release, obviously it will hurt," manager Ozzie Guillen said. "Unfortunately, that's a tough part of the job, but I'm satisfied what Carrasco and [Russell] did."

For the Sox to keep him in the organization, Carrasco would have to clear waivers if taken off the 25-man roster. Russell hurt his chances by getting tagged for two runs on three hits in one-plus inning Sunday.

Russell can be optioned to AAA. Carrasco would have to clear waivers. But regardless of this factor, who would you choose to keep?

I think I would have to go with Carrasco since he can pitch multiple innings and it looks like the Sox will need it with Contreras falling apart. Also, I pick Carrasco because Larry likes him. And that 5.1 inning performance against the Rangers was pretty sweet.

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Keep them both

DFA Kong and bring Ozuna back.

by madvillian on Jul 14, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

and DFA Uribe too. Fuck all these loosers who only go 3-3 on the road after 7-3 at home.

bunch of fucking loosers, so what if they didn’t half a closer lately. they suck, and happy is 4 days without them.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 14, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man do I hate loosers... and losers too!

;-)

by rhythm on Jul 14, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, I pick Carrasco because Larry likes him.

i endorse this reasoning.

And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder

by larry on Jul 14, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

but he wrote 'Larry' and not 'larry'

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 14, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carrasco will probably stay, since they'd lose him otherwise

but the Sox might try to trade him.

I’d like to keep Russell on the roster so that he’s getting on the job training for a more high-leverage role next year.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jul 14, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you can be the sox are shopping him right now.

as far as i’m concerned, it’s probably a toss-up between the two as to who would actually help the club the most. and that help is negligible, at best, considering their location in the bullpen pecking order. but if you can get something for carrasco, even if it is a spare A ball part, i’d do that instead. i’m just not sure a team is going to bite based upon this guy’s track record, both recent and not so.

but since i’ve been all over carrasco ever since ST, i’d like to see him stick around and succeed for the sox for a bit. who knows, a couple more good appearances after the break and maybe you can get a spare AA ball part.

And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder

by larry on Jul 14, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The best option for the sox

may be to send Russel down, and let Carrasco get some more work in the majors up until the deadline. Someone will bite by then.

And I agree that the difference is negligible, so who cares if Russell spends a couple weeks on the farm.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jul 14, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As much as I like posting Nessie pictures

I’d stick with DJ Tabasco for now. If he Fails Russel’s still there in AAA.

Coffee is for closers.

by vince_ on Jul 14, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey people - Been traveling for a week

Id vote for D.J. at this point, only because that was unbelievable vs Texas. With the Jose fiasco and assuming he has given what he can…. What options do the Sox have for the 2nd half? Im sure you guys have discussed this at length some point the last few days….

Larry you want me to take my pin out of the Tampa voodoo doll now?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 14, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

why not send both of them down

put Jose in the bullpen as the long man, then bring up Lance to take over his spot in the rotation?

it’s not like Jose is just going to wake up and not fall apart his next start, if history is any guide.

by uofcdood on Jul 14, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Kenny IS looking to replace both of them...

Kenny interested in Orioles’ Daniel Cabrera?

I know Kenny has been interested in Cabrera in the past and he usually gets his man. Kenny must think that Cooper can give Cabrera the Thornton treatment to get his control back on track and turn him into a stud starter. Would be a nice move with the way Contreras is falling apart, with Floyd likely soon after him.

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just for clarification, you did intend to refer to Bobby Jenks as "Janks", correct?

Possibly because you think he “wanks” or something?

by rhythm on Jul 14, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Janks for the memories...

Because we all know he ain’t coming back from this injury!

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 14, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes...

It’s supposed to be a variation on the “When Kornerko comes back …” Fanpost.

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like it.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 14, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gotcha

by rhythm on Jul 14, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is convenient

SSH, the O’s have done well with him so far this year. He’s throwing literally 85% fastballs and the rest sliders, but his fastball is so good that he hasn’t been hit that hard. I think this would make a really nice acquisition. The problem is that we already know we aren’t getting him because it made it to a paper. I do think Kenny is going to do something but what I don’t know.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 14, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would love it...

Cabrera is nasty as hell… he just needs to find some control. Maybe Cooper could help him with that. Kenny has been rumored to want to acquire Cabrera in the past. He usually lands his targets, just a year or two later (i.e. Linebrink and Dotel).

What would Cabrera cost? Would some combination of Broadway, Russell, Uribe and Richar get it done?

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uribe would definitely be a part of it

Let’s see…well he was a super two, so this is his second year of arbitration which works out in our favor. He probably wouldn’t be that expensive in free agency, but there are certainly suitors with pitching coaches who like his stuff. Getting him in a trade would be pretty ideal, since it would give us an early run at signing him. He’s the kind of guy I wouldn’t worry about making a long term deal with because he’s so big and strong. The key is getting the most out of his age 28 and 29 years, which is the time by which (supposedly) your fastball maxes out. If you can teach him to pitch in those two years, you’ve got a nice part. If he’s still all fastball, he’s probably a bullpen part at that point.

So what for him? Tough call. Not a lot of comparable trades. Can you think of any?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 14, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we could trade Floyd and Uribe and get that done

But then that leaves Contreras in the rotation.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 14, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As much as Floyd may bust soon...

I would rather trade a collection of minor league starters in the deal for Cabrera—Broadway, Egbert, etc. Although, I doubt that would be enough. Floyd has had some success in the majors, even if it may be due to defense, but I would like to see if he can keep it up and at least be an average starter in the majors.

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Floyd makes a very attractive trading target imo

but I’d rather it be done after the year’s over. If we’re in the playoffs, it’s going to be Buehrle-Danks-Javy and…??? Do you really want it to be Floyd or Contreras?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 14, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why I would rather have all three on the team...

Cabrera
Contreras
Floyd

The guy who is pitching the best at the time is the #4 playoff starter. The other guys go into the bullpen.

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And hope that Contreras finished the 2008 season strong...

and trade him to some team for a decent to average prospect in the offseason.

Buehrle
Vazquez
Danks
Cabrera
Floyd

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

sounds good, but kenny has like zero bullets right now

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 14, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You never know

Garcia was in the papers also.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 14, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

From the Chicago Tribune on June 29, 2008...

Mark Gonzales wrote:

The Sox had internal discussions but decided for now against trying to re-sign veteran pitcher Freddy Garcia, who is rehabbing from shoulder surgery. Garcia, who is expected to audition in front of scouts in four weeks, has drawn strong interest from the Yankees, Mets and Tigers.

I would definitely rather see a trade for Cabrera but the Sox are probably looking to add another starter / swing-man with how awful Contreras is looking lately.

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No I actually meant when they acquired him the first time.

It was widely reported. Its still not Kenny’s MO but it does happen every once in awhile.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 14, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

I seem to remember it being down to the White Sox and Yankees.

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

er

it was convenient because I happened to be checking out his pfx stuff. Really cool.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 14, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually, if we're using history as a guide, it may well be like that.

at any rate, too early to give up on jose, especially when your option is lance broadway. the last month hasn’t been pretty but it’s just that – a month. i don’t have a great deal of confidence in jose putting up a 3.00 like he did over the first couple months but i’m not going to give up on him being effective just yet. he’s not going to pitch again until, what, next tuesday? i’d like to see how he reacts to some additional time off. but two more poor starts and i’d be making that, or a similar, move.

And the Twins have the advantage of being a better team than the Sox. - hitlesswonder

by larry on Jul 14, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I keep telling myself that

I just wish he would speed up. He puts the team into a terrible rhythm when he throws.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 14, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did somebody say rhythm?

At least it’s still funny to me.

by rhythm on Jul 14, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

History as a guide

In 2006, the Sox had numerous (2 or 3?) starters just absolutely sucking in the second half. Buehrle and Contreras in particular. The Sox had McCarthy in the pen, but refused to make a switch (deference to veterans?). If 2006 is our guide, the Sox will sink or swim with Contreras.

Of course, last season, JC did get relegated to the pen. So it’s possible his leash is shorter now, and I’m sure his reaction to Pablo’s DFA did not endear him to the Sox.

Based on all that, I think you are right that if Conrtreras blows in his next 2 starts, the Sox will make a move. The only problem is that they have all of 2 things to trade (Poreda and Fields) and it would take both, if not more, to get Cabrera or Burnett. I doubt Egbert or Richard can do better than Jose right now. My guess is that Masset will get moved into the rotation, for lack of any better option…

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 14, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is Cabrera's trade value really that high?

He is the average pitching coach’s worst nightmare—million dollar arm with no control who just can’t seem to put it all together. But he would also be a dream arm to Cooper. Cabrera hasn’t really pitched very well with the Orioles over the years but he is isn’t a free agent until after the 2010 season.

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's got a great fastball, isn't a FA till 2011 and the Orioles don't have to make a deal

His value is whatever the O’s say it is and they have no reason to say it’s low. Plus, the Sox have 2 prospects in their system period. So there’s not a lot of negotiating room on the Sox part—they can’t just say “How about Broadway and Richard and Shelby?” because the answer will be no. The O’s, IMO, will demand actual prospects.

Sure, it’s supposition on my part, but I don’t see Cabrera getting moved for less then Fields and Poreda. Thinking about it, Burnett, actually, they might be able to get for less given that he’ll opt out of his contract. But less still means Fields.

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 14, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just watched some MLB.com videos of Daniel Cabrera...

and he still has some sick stuff…

94 – 96 MPH fastball
80 – 82 MPH curveball
89 MPH changeup

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yea he's definitely solid...stuff wise that is

there’s no doubt in my mind coop would fix whatever problems he has had in the past…but i just don’t see what kind of deal could be worked out here…possibly uribe, broadway and an above average AA player or even another AAA guy? jerry owens? who knows

i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry

by furby2056 on Jul 14, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Owens doesn't get it done in any trade...

and the Orioles outfield looks pretty good with Luke Scott, Adam Jones, and Nick Markakis.

They would definitely be interested in Fields though. Mora is only under contract for one more year and they would probably look to dump him on some team.

by SSH2005 on Jul 14, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

mora's hitting .233 with 11 HR and 48 RBI

and only nine errors at 3B this year….not terrible…

i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry

by furby2056 on Jul 14, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Closer Bobby Jenks is on track to come off the disabled list on Friday when the White Sox start the second half of the season.
Manager Ozzie Guillen has been impressed by Adam Russell and D.J. Carrasco, but one of the relievers will have to go when Jenks returns.

“It’s a good scenario,” Guillen said. “I like the way Carrasco throws. Russell has been put in a tough situation and he did the job both times.”

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=220727

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 14, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs