Open Thread 7/17
Last time I did this, it got Cheat to post. Let's see if it works again...
Use this space to e-meander as is your wont.
And let me know who I should investigate next on our staff. I didn't do as much as I wanted on this, but it's largely because I couldn't do Contreras. Josh's pitch ID doesn't work good on forkballists. Keep in mind the database only goes back to the middle of June or so. I can probably do the important relievers in addition to the three starters left. Maybe nominate a candidate via comment and then rec whichever name you want to see done. Most recs wins?
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Jenks update...
Jenks leftoversBy Mark Gonzales, 9:27 a.m.
Here are some notes, from the Montgomery (Ala.) Advertiser, on White Sox closer Bobby Jenks’ perfect one inning Wednesday night against Double-A Montgomery while pitching for Birmingham on a minor league rehabilitation assignment:
Jenks threw nine of his 11 pitches for strikes. His velocity topped out at 94 m.p.h, according to the stadium radar gun.
Esteban Loaiza will start Thursday night for Birmingham in a minor league rehab assignment. Loaiza is recovering from weakness in his right shoulder that is affecting his velocity. Loaiza will oppose David Price, the first overall pick in the 2007 draft.
Jenks is still saving that 99 MPH heater for when he really needs it.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 11:18 AM CDT 0 recs
Fuckin' Rays
at least Price isn’t completely annihilating AA like he did A+. Definitely looks like he’ll be ready by May or so though to start and probably by September for the pen.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Yeah, but do they have a Lance Broadway or Esteban Loaiza in their minors?
I think not.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 17, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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Im so jealous "we" didnt finish last
a bizillion years in a row to build the model farm system. I mean who wouldn’t want to avg 69 wins to build it?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Jul 17, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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uh, they probably do.
everyone does. that’s what makes them not noteworthy. and i agree with tdogg. KW slaughtered his farm to good effect.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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boy, ssh isn't allowed to make jokes, i guess. sheesh.
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 11:46 AM CDT
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hmm
i probably wouldn’t have written what i did to anyone else that said something similar.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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Here the guy has lightened up and all you can do is bitch
You are a fickle bastard, colintj. Keep up the good work.
by rhythm on
Jul 17, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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i'm blinded by hate
and from staring into the sun for hours on end.
but mostly just pure seething raging boiling hate.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:12 PM CDT
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reilly really did a number on you, kid.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on
Jul 17, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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I'm blinded by science
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on
Jul 17, 2008 12:37 PM CDT
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i feel like Saint Paul or something
but before he was a saint. i think i need to renounce something.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:37 PM CDT
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Internet images?
ebaum perhaps?
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
by Hazymania on
Jul 17, 2008 12:38 PM CDT
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ebaum can suck it
that guy’s a content stealing douche
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:41 PM CDT
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one reason i liked ned yost
Brewers manager Ned Yost will take home/road splits to a new level at the start of the season’s second half. He plans to make right-handers Dave Bush and Seth McClung his co-fifth starters, with Bush starting home games at Miller Park, while McClung pitches on the road. When one of the co-fifth starters takes the mound, the other will be available to piggyback in long relief. “I’ve never seen anything like this,” Yost said. “I’m just trying to give us our best chance to win. I’m not trying to reinvent the wheel.”
Bush is 4-2 with a 2.49 ERA in nine home starts this season with 618 OPS allowed. On the road, he is 1-6 with a 6.95 ERA (nine games, eight start) with an 852 OPS allowed. McClung’s splits aren’t quite as divergent, as he’s 1-1 with a 3.28 ERA (11 games, four starts) with a 686 OPS allowed in away games, as opposed to 4-4 with a 4.95 ERA (10 games, six starts) with a 762 OPS allowed in home games.
Yost admits he is uncomfortable with throwing both pitchers off their normal routine of starting every fifth day, “but sometimes you have to try something different to see if it works. We’ll give it a shot.”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7813
interesting idea.
by larry on Jul 17, 2008 11:33 AM CDT 0 recs
I would like to do this, but with park size more generally, rather than home/road
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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Ugh I dont like it
Bush has been very good lately. Why take the ball away even with those season splits? I think he takes the chance of screwing him up period. He did have 1 good away start in his last 2.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Jul 17, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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What I don't like is the adherence to the idea that someone would pitch at home
better due to “comfort level” or something like that. If that’s what’s going on, then I don’t dig it. If it’s a matter of him being good at certain parks and not at others, that’s something to take advantage of.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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um, i don't think i care why they do it. his splits since being in milwaukee are a pretty stark contrast. whether it's an inability to sleep in a hotel bed or park factors, who cares?
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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that would be a pretty bizarre trait
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:03 PM CDT
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an inability to sleep in a hotel bed causes him to throw poorly on the road?
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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i'm confused at why you think this is such an odd idea.
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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i expect major league baseball players to not be done in by their sleeping arrangements
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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wow. that's pretty fucking stupid, colin.
i don’t sleep nearly as well on the road as i do at home. i’m know this affects me. i’m not sure why major league baseball players should be immune from this.
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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how many nights per month do you spend away from home?
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:13 PM CDT
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depends.
i travel frequently and often for extended periods. i like my own bed. i know i’m not the only one who has this problem.
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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i'm sorry you have to deal with this
maybe you and dave could talk this one out together, hmm? bring a psychiatrist to moderate the discussion? perhaps go out for coffee after the fact? and then, who knows. you could sleep on top of the covers, and he could be under the sheets.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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also, if anything is "pretty fucking stupid"
it’s arguing over the quality of Dave Bush’s sleep.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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like, really?
you reserve “pretty fucking stupid” for something like this? of all the things said around here, this is what brings out “pretty fucking stupid” ? i mean, i guess i’ll just have to live with this one.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:15 PM CDT
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yeah, really. i threw out a possibility - something i know players and others who travel frequently complain about - and i've got a college student telling me that major league baseball players should be immune from such things.
pretty. fucking. stupid.
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 12:17 PM CDT
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That's because...
colintj doesn’t know the ways of the world yet.
I travel as well and sleeping in hotels gets old. Sometimes ya gotta drink a twelver to get some sleep. I definitely would rather sleep in my own bed than in someone else’s jizz-stained sheets.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 17, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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rec'd
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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i read an interesting article about the reverse of this.
i think it was in SI a few years ago. football player or basketball player. can’t remember who it was. slept like a baby on the road. had trouble sleeping at home. team decided to look into it. so they went to his house. bedroom had no blinds or curtains. got him some blackout curtains. the air in the house, too, was all dusty and stuff. got him a filter for his air/furnace. made some other modifications. problem solved.
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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I'm sure if the right Baseball Annie
pays them a late night visit, they sleep like babies.
My lame sense of humor aside, aren’t most of these guys “not at home” even when they’re playing at home? I mean, PK is from AZ and Crede from Missouri, etc.
I’m sure they all have swanky north shore condos in Chicago, but it’s probably not the same as truly being in your own bed in your home town.
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on
Jul 17, 2008 12:31 PM CDT
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depends
guys like thome, toby, bobby, and aj all make their homes here. i think most of the older players who have family (and, perhaps relatedly, have long term contracts that provide some stability) tend to make their permanent residence where they play.
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
splat
and technically, i’m not even registered yet, so next time you should go with “loser asshole without a job who isn’t even in college that stays at his parents and doesn’t have any friends”. just, you know, for accuracy’s sake.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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furthermore.

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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:27 PM CDT
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to explain in more detail

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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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OMG VIEW IMAGE
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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Someone forward to Carl Everett
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on
Jul 17, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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lol
dinosaur comics would blow his mind
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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Best line:
You know what Utahraptor?
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
by Hazymania on
Jul 17, 2008 2:10 PM CDT
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more to the point, getting to the "why" seems pretty critical to me
it explains whether or not the brewers can expect this to change.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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i could do better.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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EGO FTW
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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Thank you, Larry.
This is a challenge, Colin. Can you add value?
by reardenmettle on
Jul 17, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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i'm intrigued by the notion that he got his ass kicked by lefties and that
the cutter helped him solve that. intuitively, that doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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Last year, Danks didn't just get his ass kicked by lefties
nor were lefties more responsible for the damage than righties, though he did walk them more. He was torched by everyone. Baseball Musings details
He’s gone from awful to good in a right hurry.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 2:27 PM CDT
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they were, however, responsible for more damage than one might ordinarily expect from a lefthander.
small sample size big caveats of course. no one is going to find a definitive answer on that one. what may be interesting to watch going forward is what danks’ splits look like going forward. is he a santana, where there’s no discernible difference, or is a kenny rogers?
by larry on
Jul 17, 2008 2:39 PM CDT
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Wasn't that Danks' SOP in the minors?
He’d get promoted, get rocked, then would figure things out and dominate?
It just took a little longer in the majors.
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on
Jul 17, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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That seemed like the pattern, i wasnt too worried last year because of that.
Well, like most of America's cultural elite, I worship Pan, goat god.
by omnipotent grab on
Jul 17, 2008 6:30 PM CDT
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not a BUO
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Jul 17, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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1B Tony Clark back to the Diamondbacks...
The Diamondbacks appear to be closing in on a trade with the San Diego Padres that will bring first baseman Tony Clark back to Arizona.After significant discussions in recent days, a deal could be final as soon as today, according to a major league source, who said the Diamondbacks will give up a minor league prospect in the trade.
It appears Clark has agreed to waive his assignment bonus, the $500,000 clause that otherwise would have kicked in when he was traded. The bonus, which served as a form of no-trade protection, was expected to be a hurdle in the negotiations. The Diamondbacks will be responsible for the remainder of Clark’s $900,000 salary.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 11:45 AM CDT 0 recs
Since the Padres are sellers, I propose Loaiza for Peavy, straight up
They get a starter that grew up nearby in Tijuana, and thereby gain insight into the best strip clubs and cocaine available in everyone’s favorite boarder town, and we get a totally awesome starter. Seems like a fair deal to me.
by rhythm on
Jul 17, 2008 12:17 PM CDT
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Drink!
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:22 PM CDT
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I haven't seen a "Drink!" in a fortnight!
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
by Hazymania on
Jul 17, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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memes must not be allowed to die
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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Soon, this site will be 70% memes and 30% analysis/commentary.
by reardenmettle on
Jul 17, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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Ah, remember the good old days when it was at least 60/40?
Such good memories.
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
by Hazymania on
Jul 17, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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soon you say?

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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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My 3rd favorite image after Super Q and Captain Swish
I say…keep the Photoshop images coming!
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on
Jul 17, 2008 12:39 PM CDT
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i need to fix the stripes on the pants
that’s the worst part by far
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:41 PM CDT
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you have been rec'd my friend
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on
Jul 17, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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soon=next week
I leave town on Saturday, gonna be gone for a solid week…
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on
Jul 17, 2008 12:39 PM CDT
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Amsterdam?
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on
Jul 17, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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that has 80/20 written all over it.
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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Catching up on the day,
between you and Larry, I am dying here.
I believe in Harvey Dent
by homesickalien on
Jul 17, 2008 7:20 PM CDT
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you're welcome
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by colintj on
Jul 17, 2008 9:04 PM CDT
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How dare you have a life away from SSS.
For shame The Cheat, for shame.
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
by Hazymania on
Jul 17, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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Padres must sweeten the deal on their end
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Jul 17, 2008 1:00 PM CDT
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Since the Padres are definitely sellers...
Larry is right and the Sox should go after old-man Maddux.
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Jul 17, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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