Sox option D.J. Carrasco
by The Wizard on Jul 17, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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Carrasco's contract was purchased from Charlotte on July 9 to take the roster spot of Bobby Jenks. He made one appearance for the White Sox, allowing one run on four hits over 5.1 IP on July 11 at Texas, the longest appearance by a Sox reliever since Sean Lowe also went 5.1 IP on May 24, 1999 at Cleveland. ...The Chicago White Sox have optioned right-handed pitcher D.J. Carrasco to Class AAA Charlotte and have sent right-hander Esteban Loaiza to Class AA Birmingham on an injury rehabilitation assignment.
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makes sense, right?
who needs two long relievers immediately after the break?
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
especially when the other is nick magic
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 17, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
guess the flexibility was sort of a big deal.
not as big as what’s up with nomo, sexson, and tony clark, but important nonetheless
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh noes...
Watching D.J. Carrasco have to clear waivers would be disastrous. We might lose him!
The dude will be on some other team’s AAA team next year.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
after last year's bukvich-day-prinz inspired shitfest, i'd like to retain options within the organization that may be able to do better.
ymmv.
by larry on Jul 17, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the monsignor returns.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I guess no more Tabasco sauce pics for now. Long live Nessie!!
Well, like most of America's cultural elite, I worship Pan, goat god.
by omnipotent grab on Jul 17, 2008 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
joe abuses twitter
Got my first recruiting violation on NCAA ‘09. Expect many more as I try and bring the FSU program back to where it belongs. about 2 hours ago
by larry on Jul 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...how long until we find out about his bowel movements?
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe larry just told us about the crap this goon's shitting out.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 17, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tabasco we hardly knew ye!
Property of: PAUL KONERKO Track and Field Academy & Steakhouse
by thecip on Jul 17, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did SSH post this already?
AP Source: Yankees reach deal with SexsonBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: July 17, 2008Filed at 6:01 p.m. ET
NEW YORK (AP)—First baseman Richie Sexson and the New York Yankees reached a deal Thursday, a week after the Seattle Mariners cut the slumping slugger.
A person familiar with the contract said Sexson would be paid a prorated share of the $390,000 minimum salary. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because an official announcement had not been made.
ESPN.com first reported a tentative agreement between Sexson and the Yankees.
The Yankees were eager to add a powerful right-handed bat as they start the second half of the season. They went into the All-Star break third in the AL East, six games behind Boston.
Sexson hit .344 with five home runs in 71 at-bats against lefties this year. That was his bright spot during a season in which the 33-year-old Sexson hit .218 overall with 11 homers and 30 RBIs.
The Yankees picked up a fraction of Sexson’s contract, leaving the Mariners to pay the rest of his $14 million salary.
New York is minus two of its top hitters. Leadoff man Johnny Damon is on the disabled list because of an injured left shoulder and Hideki Matsui is sidelined with a sore knee that could require season-ending surgery.
The Yankees’ lineup is packed with left-handed hitters - Damon, Matsui, Jason Giambi, Bobby Abreu and Robinson Cano swing from that side - and New York has struggled against lefty pitching all year.
A native of Brush Prairie, Wash., the 6-foot-8 Sexson became a frequent target of boobirds in Seattle over the past two years. He hit a career-low .205 with 21 homers and 100 strikeouts in 2007, and often was benched in favor of Miguel Cairo this season.
Seattle, one of baseball’s biggest disappointments this year, released Sexson right before the All-Star break.
Sexson has hit 30 or more homers six times, and also has six seasons of at least 100 RBIs. He started his major league career in 1997 with Cleveland and later played for Milwaukee and Arizona.
Sexson signed a $50 million, four-year contract with the Mariners in December 2004. He topped 30 homers and 100 RBIs in his first two seasons, then dropped off significantly last year.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 17, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Blanton to the Phillies...
“Phils reach agreement on Blanton”>
The Phillies have reached an agreement with the Oakland Athletics to acquire right-handed pitcher Joe Blanton. Blanton is 5-12 this season after going 14-10 with a 3.95 ERA last season.The Athletics get second baseman Adrian Cardenas, pitcher Josh Outman and outfielder Matthew Spencer, all minor leaguers.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is Beane collecting so many second basemen?
Jemile Weeks, Eric Patterson, Adrian Cardenas…
Justin Duchscherer is definitely available.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gio Gonzalez will replace Joe Blanton in the A's rotation...
The sources who confirmed the trade would not identify the prospects, and if none of them are big league-ready starters, it’s likely that Gio Gonzalez will be promoted from Triple-A Sacramento, giving the A’s three southpaw starters.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
I really want to see Gio now.
Well, like most of America's cultural elite, I worship Pan, goat god.
by omnipotent grab on Jul 17, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of them, iirc, are good athletes
so I wonder if they aren’t making some Carlos Gonzalez contingency plans. Weeks and Cardenas, only 20 and hitting very well in the FSL, are definitely better than Patterson though. According to the minor league DTs, Cardenas’ peak is going to look something like .310/.370/.470, iirc. And according to the regular translation, he’s hitting at his 90th percentile PECOTA line. So he’s got a pretty nice ceiling, basically.
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doucherer looked pretty shaky in the ASG
Ernie says,"Let's lose two!"
by oahu420 on Jul 17, 2008 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my cat's breath smells like cat food.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i hate cats.
allergies
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term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 17, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do too. but not because of allergies, but because they are evil. all of them.
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by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least they got SOMETHING right...
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by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Book
Are you a history buff in addition to your many other varied interests?
by Landfill on Jul 17, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem, "one"? How many sheepskin pelts do you have
nailed to your wall?
You Great White Hunter, you.
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by winningugly on Jul 17, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you too can have a wall full of diplomas.
assuming you meet the admissions requirements, of course.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sign not seen above the Harvard admissions office door:
“Whether you attend class on campus or online, (University of Phoenix) enables you to earn your college degree without putting your life on hold.”
That’s what my primary educational objective always has been – don’t get in the way of my experiencing life. From my parents’ basement.
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by winningugly on Jul 17, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"From my parents’ basement."
Fragment much college boy? ;-)
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
by Hazymania on Jul 17, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a fan of big cats
probably because I have never gotten close enough to one to make my eyes water, itch, and make my nose stuff up instantly.
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term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 17, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was allergic to cats
then I got one(a wife who likes cats), and the reactions subsided. Now I only freak out if I get a hair in my eye or a deep scratch from the little bastard.
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by e-gus on Jul 17, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was sick.
probably didn’t get a good nights rest…
by larry on Jul 17, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO!!
Nice way of sneaking that in you pos.
Well, like most of America's cultural elite, I worship Pan, goat god.
by omnipotent grab on Jul 17, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably went to Scores till 4am
Ernie says,"Let's lose two!"
by oahu420 on Jul 17, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just so we are clear, he really was sick.
by larry on Jul 17, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I heard too...
I still am not a big fan of his Maddux-like fastball.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
for some reason i don’t see his stuff playing for that long in the bigs.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
has he lost a lot of velocity or stuff?
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His fastball only ever topped out at 91 MPH...
Problem is, he seems to be mainly throwing around 85 MPH this season. Obviously, this could be due to him being a starter now and wanting to conserve his stamina so he is dialing it down. Here’s a good article on Duch…
“Thin? No fastball? A’s Duchscherer became two-time All-Star”
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his babip is almost surely unsustainably low so far this year, although his ld rate is a little about his career.
regardless, he has always been a bitch to hit against. and according to fangraphs, the average velocity of his fastball has barely changed since 2005 (86, 86.7, 85.5, 86).
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and thanks for the link.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
87 is about his average according to Kalk's pfx
fwiw
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never had it to my knowledge
and in case you’re wondering just how below average we’re talking here:
that’s with lefties and relievers, so i’m going to guess those about cancel each other out.
another interesting graph:
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his velocity has never been the league average but he's still gotten guys out pretty consistently.
did you mean his stuff wasn’t going to play as a starter for long? if not, isn’t his body of work to this point an indication that he can get people out without gassing them?
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that a philly bar band?
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by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Philly have pfx installed last year?
do you remember who did exactly? all i remember is the Sox did. i thought i remember SD, so that could be weighted thanks to Mr. Maddux.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a starter, yes.
in the pen, he’s fine because he’s not exposed long enough without it. most guys without a good fastball simply have tiny margins for error and, generally, an inability to get whiffs which the bigger fastballs don’t have to worry about. more PAs/start—>more opportunities for error. points out why taking pitches is critical against such pitchers. the next one could be the cookie.
also, the second graph is one that says that maybe he can survive for a while. note the dip around 85. that could be a fluke in the data. this is ‘07 data, which was spotty and weighted heavily by those pitchers in whose parks the pfx system was installed. on the other hand, it may be a legit confluence of rarity and juuuust fast enough. it’s hard to get a read.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More interesting stuff
I’d say that basically confirms what I said about margin of error. Slower fastball pitchers have to throw into a much smaller box.
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also cool:
This shows that, with something of a sample size caveat, Brian Bannister might be able to pull off that lower than average BABIP. Combine a well spotted fastball and good breaking stuff, and you’re on your way. I suppose that’s what Jon Garland is, more or less.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
duchscherer has the control thing going for him at least, yeah?
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely, but what's implied is that he has to in order to remain a big league pitcher
and i just read that article SSH linked. he’s already 30? i still pass.
it’s not that i’m saying he can’t do it. i just don’t like the risk. it pays off to take on risk when you can do it without paying a lot.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would take him if his trade value was that of a reliever...
but Beane is surely shopping him as a #2 starter right now to interested teams.
I’d rather give up junk for a three month rental of Maddux like Larry suggested.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christ, colin, do some research
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by winningugly on Jul 17, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Walsh and Josh Kalk did all the research
I just aggregated it.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can only hope they're one and the same.
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like colored dots
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on Jul 17, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the exact same thing
he did some great visuals for those articles
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, any team acquiring Duch...
could just stick him back in the bullpen if he starts getting tittied as a starter. His curveball is ridiculous and he could still do well as a one or two inning reliever.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it all depends on the cost of Duch.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at this rate, it's going to be interesting to see what kind of roster
the a’s are sporting when the sox roll into town in a month.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Duch as a reliever...
but if Beane wants a nut-load for him because he is tearing it up as a starter so far, Kenny should look to Larry’s idea and see what minor league scrub the Padres would take for Maddux.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux already told the Padres he is only waiving his NTC for West Coast teams.
by Luck Of The Irish on Jul 17, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all this time, and still the irish can't catch a break...
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote of note...
If the Braves came calling, Maddux says he’d likely approve the trade because his family would approve of the two-month transition back to the East Coast. His wife, Kathy, and his children visited friends in Atlanta for the Fourth of July.“That would be a possibility,” Maddux said. “That would be easy for me with my family. At this point of my career, it’s family first and baseball second. That would fit for my family.”
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as no one's using stats.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reason to worry about Liriano...
He doesn’t have his good slider!!!
Liriano’s line tonight for AAA Rochester…
8.0 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 8 SO
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ruh roh
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, the one run is the key
Definitely not throwing the slider. Definitely not.
K-mart sucks.
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by winningugly on Jul 17, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well at least we're an RHB heavy lineup.
supposedly his velo was more like 90-93 than a really big fastball. and that’s not going to stop him from carving up the rest of the league. will the Twins cut bait on Livan? he’s making Uribe money this year. that’s not that big a deal for most of the league. dn how the Twins will play it.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 run = ineffective. only shutouts and 5.000 ops demonstrate effectiveness.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else hearing the rumors that the Yankees are going to sign Bonds...
since Matsui is likely done for the season?
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it was on that site, but there's been no confirmation anywhere else to my knowledge
he could pretty easily be making something up, though on the other hand, you could say that would kill his site traffic if he’s wrong. i really hope it happens though.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clemens should sign with the yankees too.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Really, the Yankees don’t have anything to lose. Giambi, Clemens, Pettitte…
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if nothing else they would pull some media attention from the sawx.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man, the score guys are right on.
wondering if the twins want to win, and therefore will call liriano up, or whether they are going to go with what they’ve got to keep his service time down.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 8:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not what i was saying.
i know that. but i don’t think it’s very realistic that the twins, 1 1/2 back, are going to keep liriano in the minors if he’s ready to push another few months of service time off.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great link, SSH
Explains a lot – I hadn’t considered the financial angle. Cheap bastards.
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by winningugly on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they were concerned about service, i wonder why they had him start the season on their major league roster...
more likely they, duh, are trying to make room for him by pawning livan off on someone.
by larry on Jul 18, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are still, duh, cheap bastards.
They are the Twinks.
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by winningugly on Jul 18, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't consider the twins particularly cheap.
they pay nathan, morneau, cuddyer, mauer a heck of a lot of money. simply because they have a young team, especially with young pitching, don’t make them cheap. or simply because they won’t pony up to overpay for santana or hunter, either. that ballpark has them a bit flusher with cash than in the past. the times they are achangin’.
by larry on Jul 18, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess the twins' relative success is even more remarkable then,
since apparently they don’t pay free agents and also keep their better minor leaguers down longer than they should be to avoid paying them either.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 18, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do agree with that point - they get more done with less
And, larry, they are doing a circa ‘90’s Indians thing in locking up young, cheap talent (not like the A’s, who use them as pawns), but I’m speaking from a fan’s perspective. Baggies in the OF? No retractable roof? Carl Pohlad? Lutherans?
Cheap bastards. And not overly enamored of folks of color. (But mlb.com revenue cures all, even for the Twinks and Royals.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 18, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point was sarcastic.
how in the hell are they fielding competitive teams if they are purposely holding back their prospects?
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 18, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That part I figured out - the non-free agent signings part I agreed with
Man, I am going to form a club with WTGTD.
Now take a lunch!
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 18, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the ghost of george clooney's MOM???
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 18, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spell it - SPELL IT!
R-O-S-E-M-A-R-Y!
You POS.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 18, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even with that spelling
She’s still not his mom.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 18, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should have just called me out on the spelling and left well enough alone.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 18, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah, it's his aunt. I'm straight, so I don't follow 1940's female singers
Mea culpa.
Ozzie, you now can join Toonder in POS-land.
;)
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by winningugly on Jul 18, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that ship has sailed, looser.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 18, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You crusty old man
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 18, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
joe nathan is 33. maybe that's young to you.
cuddyer is 29. not really that young either. the twins this year, perhaps unnoticed by some, are signing players to what i would consider pretty much market contracts. will they be players for the big free agents? no. but they seem to be following more of the white sox model right now than the typical small market model.
by larry on Jul 18, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd also been rumoured to have spoken about trading Nathan (pre-Neshek, I know)
so I don’t think they considered Nathan’s contract to be an albatross. (Yes, 33 is young, except to Jesus and everyone on this site. How old is Mariano? Hoffman? Nathan seems to be a durable guy.) I agree that they are following the Sox model, which looks like a pretty good strategy (Garland’s trade return was decent, MB’s contract looks good, Paulie and Count’s contracts – uh – AJ and Dye don’t look that bad, either).
I was speaking of the M & M boys’s contracts apeing the Indians of the ‘90s. But you are correct – they are not letting them walk unless they can’t pay and they are not white (there, I said it).
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by winningugly on Jul 18, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure any team should sign someone to an albatross contract.
that seems more smart than cheap. if that’s the litmus test, there are probably only four or five teams in baseball who aren’t cheap.
by larry on Jul 18, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that in a relative way -
what the Twinks think is expensive might not be what others think is unwise. They never would’ve signed Liney to 4 years.
Wait, neither would anyone here, either. Bad example. OK, they never would’ve paid JD $23MM over 2 years.
Wait, neither would anyone here, either.
Who are the other 3-4 teams who aren’t cheap besides us?
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by winningugly on Jul 18, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be hugely depressing to a twins fan if they don't bring him up
that’s a little too Loria-chic if you ask me.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There would be no excuse for the Twins if they don't bring him up...
Livan’s paltry $5 million dollar contract is not a good excuse and neither is his 9 wins and 5.44 ERA.
If they don’t call up Liriano - and soon - the reason will be obvious.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it isn't already
i know that if they don’t it makes the Sox’ chances all the better, but fuck that. that’s bad for baseball.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Loaiza was throwing below 80 MPH...
he may have bought some more time with the Sox.
Birmingham @ Montgomery 7/17 Box Score
Check out Brandon Allen’s line off of David Price.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HE GOT PROMOTED?!?!
HOW DID I MISS THAT??
WHOOOOOO!!!!
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
poor outing from Price
control was there, but not so much with the command.
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
impressive.
his first AA game and he goes yard twice, lefty on lefty. I’ve been thinking about posting something on him. He may be the best hitting prospect in our system right now (not counting those that have big league service time). Of course that’s partially because our system is horrible. But at the time of his promotion he was 4th in the Carolina league in OPS, behind Wietters and 2 other guys that are older than him. He’s 22 so not bad for High A and completely appropriate for a AA prospect. He’s not an A or even B+prospect and once Beckham arrives he’ll instantly be the second best hitter (maybe 3rd if Danks signs). But he’s someone to keep an eye on.
I think we ought to call Thome and Konerko the "Cholesterol Brothers" because of the way they clog the bases.
by bhoov on Jul 17, 2008 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Allow myself to quote...myself
“Brandon Allen – More notable than actual prospect, he’s still worth talking about. A 5th round pick in 2004, he does have some pedigree and at 22, he comes under the Carolina League average of 22.9. He repeated Kanny last year for a .283/.337/.479 line and this year has put up .294/.363/.582. His walk rate is respectable and his power has been above .220 4 consecutive months (he had 14 PA in Sept, so I didn’t count it), so it is probably real. As a first baseman, his bat is his only ticket to the Show and so far his peak translation is pretty inviting: .271/.335/.523. The caveat here is his home/road splits, but, iirc, W-S isn’t a hitter’s paradise. At his age with few real concerns about his performance thus far, I think it would be wise to get him up to Birmingham as soon as possible.”
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Perhaps he can be a league average first baseman?
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know about league average, but he is clearly already better than that bum konerko
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on Jul 17, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a clutch hitter
look at his hitting line with men on scoring position: .179/.330/.310
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?pl=450315
I say bring back carl everett
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 18, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he doesn't know how win, doesn't have the killer instinct to put opponents away
look at his hitting line when ahead: .193/.302/.325
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 18, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the most
encouraging part of his step forward is the increase in walk rate (from 7.4% to 11.7%) despite the promotion from low A to high A.
I think we ought to call Thome and Konerko the "Cholesterol Brothers" because of the way they clog the bases.
by bhoov on Jul 17, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With most players of his ilk, Ks are the big concern at this point.
If it gets into the 25% K/PA range, his BA is going to decline to a point his ISO and BB% can’t overcome to make him average. More Jason Kubel than Paul Konerko.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Allen might be the reason...
Kenny didn’t think twice about giving up Chris Carter for Carlos Quentin… well, other than Quentin being a stud. Maybe Kenny knew he already had another version of Carter in Allen.
But from what I have read, both Carter and Allen are pretty much DH’s.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, he's big...
Reminds me of Bo Jackson.
by SSH2005 on Jul 17, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or willie harris on roids
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on Jul 17, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6'2'' 235 according to first inning
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was going to say that.
so nicely done.
and carter has more upside but i’d say his K rate is a big worry at this point.
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by colintj on Jul 17, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's the next BIG thing in chicago
by the time he gets to the bigs…he’ll be uribe-esque…swinging chicken legs and eating ice cream cones while he’s on deck….shoving in hot dogs while playing the field…and having his ass engulf other players so he can get himself higher on the depth charts
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on Jul 18, 2008 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Clark : D-Backs
Carl Everett : White Sox
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on Jul 17, 2008 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there really hope for Loaiza to throw with decent velocity?
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 18, 2008 1:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
as much hope as uribe turning down a steak dinner
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on Jul 18, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 18, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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