Controversial White Sox All Star Picks!!!
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This is the only SBNation Site
with a New Yorker parody cartoon. Classy!
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by thecip on Jul 17, 2008 7:42 PM CDT 0 recs
But where's the burning American flag?
I kid, rec for you.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 17, 2008 8:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Maybe he is
He’s pretty calm and tends to get dirty.
Boras kills his buzz.
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by thecip on
Jul 17, 2008 10:47 PM CDT
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Amish from Napanee.
Oh for the days when we had 6327 consecutive quality starts.
by ballyb on
Jul 18, 2008 8:01 AM CDT
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HE LIVES!
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by winningugly on
Jul 18, 2008 9:02 AM CDT
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ASB
Oh for the days when we had 6327 consecutive quality starts.
by ballyb on
Jul 18, 2008 5:49 PM CDT
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what do you think you're better than me?
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 17, 2008 11:15 PM CDT 0 recs
sorry i couldn't hear you over my sense of satisfaction
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by thecip on
Jul 18, 2008 12:02 AM CDT
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MENDELBAUM MENDELBAUM MENDELBAUM
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 18, 2008 12:43 AM CDT
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Its go time!
Well, like most of America's cultural elite, I worship Pan, goat god.
by omnipotent grab on
Jul 18, 2008 2:07 AM CDT
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Awesome doesnt begin to describe this.
Q!s hat looks like an old school train conductors’.
Well, like most of America's cultural elite, I worship Pan, goat god.
by omnipotent grab on Jul 18, 2008 2:09 AM CDT 0 recs
Dark Knight=Epic Greatness
Chicago looked unbelievable on the IMAX screen. Ledger, Oldham and Eckhart were excellent. Can’t wait for 3 years from now to see where they take the 3rd movie.
by the wimperoo on Jul 18, 2008 4:01 AM CDT 0 recs
Great to hear
Big fan of the first.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Jul 18, 2008 7:39 AM CDT
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I want to see it on IMAX
Have a feeling it will be sold out for a few weeks.
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by thecip on
Jul 18, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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Yeah it most assuredly is at Navy Pier
Who in the hell is going at 6 am to watch this movie? Luckily I got tickets for the IMAX in Woodridge on Monday. Fanboys unite!
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 18, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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Oldham? What happened to Newham?
Well, like most of America's cultural elite, I worship Pan, goat god.
by omnipotent grab on
Jul 18, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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I'm OUTRAGED!
That anyone would imply (even in satire) that either of these fine gentlemen, paragons of virtue even, would wear their hats like Fred McGriff!
Optimist
by Peder on Jul 18, 2008 8:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Crede spokesman Bill Burton: “South Side Sox may think, as one of their staff explained to us, that their image is a satirical lampoon of the caricature third baseman Crede’s right-wing critics have tried to create. But most readers will see it as tasteless and offensive. And we agree.”
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by thecip on
Jul 18, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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What?
You are not serious.
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by winningugly on
Jul 18, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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It's an affront
to all 3rd Basemen-Americans.
Optimist
by Peder on
Jul 18, 2008 1:56 PM CDT
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Or Oscar Gamble
(His was out of necessity, though.)
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by winningugly on
Jul 18, 2008 9:03 AM CDT
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Crede appears to be wearing "moon boots" ala Napolean Dynamite...sweet.
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 18, 2008 9:20 AM CDT 0 recs
BP hit list midseasonish review
sox 4th best according to their ranking, twins 14th with tiggers right behind. ranking is based upon an objective formula which averages a team’s actual, first-, second- and third-order winning percentages via the Adjusted Standings.
The Rays have a slight lead over the White Sox for most improved team; recall that the Sox actually finished one spot below them on the final 2007 Hit List. Evan Longoria, Matt Garza, a functional bullpen, and a real-live infield that plays defense have done wonders to elevate the Rays, a club that had known nothing but futility and the promise of a better tomorrow for a decade. As for the White Sox, their offense, rotation and bullpen have all been middle-of-the-pack, and they’ve exactly hit their third-order projection; being a club without a glaring weakness may be enough in that division this year.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7819
by larry on Jul 18, 2008 11:45 AM CDT 0 recs
your transactional lesson of the day
one of the oft-repeated myths, this time repeated by the associated press of all outlets, is that players on the DL can’t be traded. as noted by tim dierkes:
The AP notes that players on the disabled list can only be traded with commissioner approval. I asked ESPN’s Keith Law about this today; he told me all trades are subject to commissioner approval.
by larry on Jul 18, 2008 12:01 PM CDT 0 recs
joe sheehan say go get roberts
8. Brian Roberts, Orioles: Roberts was rumored to be on the cusp of becoming a Cub for most of the offseason. The Orioles refused to move him, and seem unlikely to do so now, as they have him under contract through next year. That’s shortsighted, because a staggering number of contenders could use a leadoff or #2 hitter. Foremost among them is the White Sox, who have gotten a reasonable .344 OBP from their leadoff hitters, but just .302 from the #2 spot. While Alexei Ramirez has turned heads at second base, his seven walks this season are an execrable total, and leave him with a .312 average and a .332 OBP.Roberts isn’t just an upgrade—he’s one of the top 10 players in the AL, with a .294 EqA and plus defense at second base. A team with the power core the White Sox have needs high OBPs batting in front of it, so while the numbers say that Roberts would add 15-20 runs as compared to Ramirez, plus a few on defense, the real-world results would be a little better than that.
The White Sox have a terrible farm system, which will make it hard for them to pry Roberts away from a reluctant Orioles team. Still, he may be the one player on the market who makes enough of a difference to them to be worth pursuing. Three years ago, a lack of OBP atop the lineup nearly killed them in August and September; they’re being chased by teams good enough that they should try to avoid a similar problem this year.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7820
by larry on Jul 18, 2008 1:06 PM CDT 0 recs
Execrable?
Is that like “excrement”? Like “crappy”? I will hunt you down like a dog, JS, you POS, while wearing my new T-shirt! Leave our Cuban alone! (And I doubt he’s been ‘roiding, you POS racist.)
Che, Che, Chelexei!
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by winningugly on
Jul 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT
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you got it.
the problem with alexei, if there is one, is that it isn’t entirely clear how he’ll hit over a long stretch. he’s got a babip of .332, well above league average. now, that’s a red flag, but there are guys who consistently hit at or close to that. alexei has some of the hallmarks of a guy who profiles to do that. who knows for sure. but you lop that babip down closer to league average, thus diminish his batting average, and you’re getting nearer to juan uribe level, low obp with some pop. as far as i’m concerned, that’s still fine from a middle infielder with a good glove. but one can see why the upgrade would be proposed.
by larry on
Jul 18, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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The proposal is fine
Who wouldn’t want Roberts v. Chelexei, straight up? You bring up good seamhead stats which make a good case for Alexei regressing. I agree. However, what do we give up to get him? Since we don’t have much to trade from the farm, posit an alternative from the majors, Joe, or STFU, you POS. He is a large offensive upgrade from Juanito at present, and that’s a helluva lot better than any of us thought we’d have at 2B this year (except for you yahoos that were counting on Danimal Richar). Plus, though occasionally boneheaded in the field and on the bases, he’s still an intellectual upgrade from Juan at 2B and has made some GD creative plays.
Wow, I sounded like kenwo for a second there.
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by winningugly on
Jul 18, 2008 1:55 PM CDT
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I really don't know the answer to this
And.. I may just still be recovering from Alexei being a major league caliber player, but is Brian Roberts really that much better with the glove?
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 18, 2008 1:41 PM CDT
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with the glove, probably the same.
however, i doubt he’d make as many mental fuckups as alexei has.
by larry on
Jul 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT
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Fair enough
I haven’t watched him enough in the field ( Roberts ) to know. I think he’s a great addition to the top of the line up.. just don’t know how it would work.
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 18, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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konerko for roberts, cabrera, and maybe markakis.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on
Jul 18, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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maybe, just maybe if they include adam jones
and still I’d have to think about it!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Jul 18, 2008 1:46 PM CDT
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LOL
Check with the Angels first – they may be feeling the Kong pressure…
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by winningugly on
Jul 18, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
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but what would it take, what do we have, to get roberts and still take the division this year?
is sheehan implying that alexei be part of the deal?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Jul 18, 2008 1:41 PM CDT
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Exactly..
I’d rather solve our own SS problem of the future with Alexei then solve the Baltimore Orioles problem. I’d like Brian Roberts leading off for us, but it seems like we are pretty stuck with the team we have besides possibly another starting pitcher.
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT
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is roberts really that much better than alexei at second base?
i find that difficult to believe. where has alexei been lacking?
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
Jul 18, 2008 4:00 PM CDT
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he rather obviously doesn't know what the fuck he's supposed to be doing out there a lot of the time.
which isn’t a big suprise or really a knock on him. he simply doesn’t have the experience to deal with certain types of plays. do we soon forget the teahen inside the park homer? his actual fielding is fine, usually quite good. but his positioning, most often and egregiously displayed on cut offs, has been terrible. he’ll go too deep into the outfield. or not deep enough. or won’t be on the line of where the throw is supposed to go. or doesn’t know what he’s supposed to be doing when he gets the ball. the guy has made some spectacular good plays. but he’s made about as many spectacular bad ones. that will decline as he gains more experience.
and forget the defense. call it a wash if you want. roberts is a better hitter. that’s why you would do the deal.
by larry on
Jul 18, 2008 4:07 PM CDT
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Would you do the deal?
Let’s say Poreda, Fields and Richar for Roberts? I sure wouldn’t. That would involve a large cost for a relatively small gain. The loss of future cheaply salaried players, the money that would have to be spent to replace the 3B in waiting, the money you would pay Roberts, the loss of (hitting) experience for your SS for next year. I would imagine that the Orioles would want Fields as a starting point given their lack of 3B prospects (at least anywhere near the bigs) and the presence of .703 OPS Mora.
Now if the deal was Cabrera, Richar and Allen? Sign me up.
I think we ought to call Thome and Konerko the "Cholesterol Brothers" because of the way they clog the bases.
by bhoov on
Jul 18, 2008 4:27 PM CDT
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if you could get something done by not giving up poreda i'd be for it
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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One-pitch Poreda is overrated...
If the Sox can get a Brian Roberts trade done using Poreda, Richar, plus anyone but Fields, Kenny should jump all over it.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:46 PM CDT
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what IF...for poreda, richar, and fields you get roberts and d. cabrera?
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on
Jul 18, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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Done deal...
but the Sox have to either lock up Crede or get a good replacement for him in the offseason.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:49 PM CDT
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Agreed...
Fields is the only guy in your proposed trade that the Sox can’t afford to give up.
Poreda - big deal, he is replaceable.
Richar - Beckham is the second baseman of the future. The Sox could easily find a 1-year filler at 2B for 2009.
Fields — if Crede goes elsewhere, the Sox have nothing at 3B.
I would give up Poreda, Richar, and anyone else but Fields for Roberts. But I would rather toss out that package for a starter. Ramirez is productive enough at 2B for right now.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:35 PM CDT
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you'd have roberts at 2B in '09 for $8M according to cot's
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on
Jul 18, 2008 4:37 PM CDT
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ok.......
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by Where Triples Go to Die on
Jul 18, 2008 4:38 PM CDT
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Big deal...
The Sox are paying Uribe $4.5 million, Contreras $10 million, and Konerko $12 million.
Roberts is easily worth $8 million when you keep things in perspective.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:40 PM CDT
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agreed. i was responding to your comment that they could easily find a 1-year filler at 2B for 2009.
they wouldn’t need to because they’d have roberts at a good price.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on
Jul 18, 2008 4:41 PM CDT
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Doh, sorry...
Understood.
The only Sox prospects that I care about keeping is Fields, Beckham, and Danks now. I guess I am feeling like Kenny these days.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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on the fields front...
you care about keeping him. is it based more on the fact that if/when crede leaves, the cupboard is beyond bare than what you expect to get out of him at this point, vice versa?
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on
Jul 18, 2008 4:47 PM CDT
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More based on necessity...
not that I think Fields is going to be a stud.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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his walk rate so far this year really low for his career minor league numbers and equals his major league walk rate.
not a good sign.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on
Jul 18, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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i suppose whether you do the deal depends upon what you project to gain.
i would imagine there are some on this board who may feel differently in a week and a half after some of the other players have made their moves. i don’t expect the twins to sit this one out. and i think the tigers, depending upon how things go before the deadline, won’t either. if so, i’m not sure a marginal move gets it done this time around.
tdogg said the tigers were all in awhile back. the sox are equally, if not moreso, pot committed at this point. i don’t know if roberts is the way to go. but i suspect some move will be necessary.
by larry on
Jul 18, 2008 4:45 PM CDT
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After looking at the Sox #1 and #2 hitters' OBP's...
Cabrera = .329 OBP
Pierzynski = .326 OBP
It looks like the Sox are going to have the same problem as they did in previous years with scrubs like Podsednik and Owens at the top of the order. Kind of a waste to have Quentin, Dye, Thome, and Konerko batting 3-4-5-6 with low OBP guys batting #1 and #2.
Brian Roberts has a .376 OBP and an amazing .865 OPS from a second baseman.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 18, 2008 4:52 PM CDT
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and his obp isn't a fluke. .371 over the last three seasons.
"Come at the king, you best not miss. "
by Toonderstrook on
Jul 18, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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And he steals
bases at a 75% rate. I’ve always said if you could ever satisfy ozzie’s speed jones with a player that was actually an offensive plus that would cover one of his greatest weaknesses.
I think we ought to call Thome and Konerko the "Cholesterol Brothers" because of the way they clog the bases.
by bhoov on
Jul 18, 2008 5:01 PM CDT
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Was going to post this...
And 79% SB success rate in his career. Ozzie could actually have Roberts run a lot and it wouldn’t kill the run-scoring chances.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 18, 2008 8:12 PM CDT
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Are
you more in the “give up anything you need to (including Fields) to get Roberts/other upgrades, Flags fly forever” camp or the ” give up anything short of Fields” camp?
I think we ought to call Thome and Konerko the "Cholesterol Brothers" because of the way they clog the bases.
by bhoov on
Jul 18, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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we're talking a bit in a vacuum here.
i personally wouldn’t be doing a major deal right now. the sox are the tallest midget in this division right now. but i’m not sure i expect the status quo to remain and i’d be reactive to any move(s). the tigers will likely grab someone like milton bradley to fix their DH situation. not sure how much more they can do than that but they may try to acquire pitching. the twins have liriano coming up. immediate upgrade there. and i think they’ll make a move to shore up the offense, whether it be beltre or something else.
where teams are sitting over the next week and half will dictate action. if the sox open up a lead, less will occur in this division. if it stays the same or tightens, expect action.
at any rate, flags fly forever. if you do the math and giving up anyone/thing in this organization makes sense, you do it.
by larry on
Jul 18, 2008 4:58 PM CDT
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OCab instead of Fields?
do you think the orioles would be interested in the picks OCab would get them? seems like it would make sense for them since they appear to be rebuilding.
and do you think a trade that results in Roberts replacing OCab in the lineup instead of Alexei (and creating a reliance on Alexei’s unknown SS defense) is enough of an upgrade for the Sox to sacrifice those picks plus whatever else they’d have to give up?
while i agree in theory with your stance of pushing all in this season and giving up whatever it takes to get into the playoffs, it would be nice to find a way to hold onto fields, rather than having to overpay crede or blalock or some aging vet to man 3B in ‘09. as SSH said, i don’t think he’ll be a stud, but i think he’ll be good enough for the money he’ll be making, allowing the Sox to allocate resources elsewhere.
by Ryno on
Jul 18, 2008 5:24 PM CDT
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he has made some mental errors, but some of what you described isn't necessarily his fault.
to a certain extent any cutoff man needs an idea of where he should be and where the ball is going to go, but it’s the job of the other infielders to both correct his alignment and to tell him where he should be going with the ball.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
Jul 18, 2008 7:01 PM CDT
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"to a certain extent"
it’s happened far too many times for you to be able to throw cabrera under the bus for this one, joe.
by larry on
Jul 19, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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Absolutely
He’s 26, fer Chrissakes, and has played ball all his life. Baseball is baseball, no matter what league. If anyone is to “mentor” him it might be someone who has played 2B for a living.
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by winningugly on
Jul 19, 2008 3:44 PM CDT
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what the hell are you talking about?
you’re going kooky on us oldie.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
Jul 19, 2008 3:52 PM CDT
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Alexei should have some baseball sense by age 26
He looks lost at times on basic plays in the field and on the bases. His infielders should be communicating to him in the heat of the moment re: postioning but the depth of his positioning, not his line, is his call, and he’s out of position too often. I believe larry was saying it’s not his infielders on either side that are at fault, but Chelexei.
And if he is at a loss for the nuances of playing 2B he might look to a mentor/coach to help other than Cabrera/Paulie to teach him positioning.
I thought I was pretty clearly articulating my point, kid. And come out with me at 5 AM tomorrow and run the hills with me – we’ll see who the oldie is.
The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.
by winningugly on
Jul 19, 2008 10:12 PM CDT
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How does running abilty determine who has lived longer wu?
You really are losing it.
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by omnipotent grab on
Jul 20, 2008 11:30 AM CDT
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from me. to larry. about wu.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
Jul 19, 2008 3:53 PM CDT
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Sox are 6th in all of MLB in runs scored.
The Sox are going as far as their STARTING PITCHERS take them.
That’s the way it is, Friday, July 18, 2008.
Oh for the days when we had 6327 consecutive quality starts.
by ballyb on Jul 18, 2008 6:06 PM CDT 0 recs
Kenwo?
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