Stone to replace DJ in TV booth?
Speculation that the Sox may replace DJ with Stone in the TV booth next year.
"His longest contract as a player was one year, and that speaks to why Darrin Jackson changed uniforms eight times in his baseball career.
But as a broadcaster, Jackson has never been in the uncomfortable position in which he currently finds himself — unsure whether the White Sox want him back next season.
The Sox hold an option on Jackson, and they don't plan to let him know their intentions until late in the season or after the season, when they're obliged to do so contractually. ..."
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DJ is good without the Hawkaroo
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by thecip on Jul 3, 2008 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DJ is a playa!
But with two young children in Chicago and two more in Arizona, he would like a clear picture of his future.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DJ's always been frank and earnest with the ladies...
He’s Frank in Chicago and Ernest in Arizona!
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on Jul 3, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jim @ sm
If DJ was shown the door, I would hope that means the Sox would pursue an actual voice instead of loading up their teams with four ex-jocks again.
where should we put the odds of this happening? 1 in 1000?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 3, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would miss DJ
but i do like Stoney. it’s a tough call. like i said, the one for whom senility has clearly set in should probably get the axe. but then how would we make Yaz jokes? because birth control pills aren’t enough for me.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 3, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think hawk would be nicely reigned in by stone.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 3, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd be knighted?
Already hitting the pipe, I see.
Or is that a U of Illinois education you are sporting?
;)
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by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch! A Purdue man ripping on the quality of education at U of I
If that ain’t the pot calling the kettle an asshole, I don’t know what is!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
POS
Go have your Brie and Chardonnay. Work on the novel yet to be published.
I’m going home now to enjoy a 4 day weekend. I am psyched. No work until the 8th, clients down only 2% this year, Sox on a tear, and I might actually be able to stay up for the game tonight.
What would Hawk say? YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!
Time to get my wine on.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brie and Chardonnay, well I never!
Much more of a burritos and tequila guy myself, but whatever floats your boat.
Enjoy your time off, you’ve earned it (having lost only 2% of your clients’ money). Have you informed them that they would have been better off just sticking their money in the bank for the past year instead of letting your dumb ass play around with it? ;)
I expect that you will be in top form tonight, what with your getting your wine on and all, you crazy bastard. I will be sober, as always, dreaming of what might of been had I not been admitted to Betty Ford last year – NOT! /Borat Style
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a short-term thinker
As Chris Rock says, life isn’t short. Life is LLLOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG. Gotta look at where you are in the long run (though, as Galbreath once said, in the long run we’re all dead). But yes, losses suck. But just like baseball, they’re part of the game.
Sober like MM, you will be, I’d wager. Meaning you are one more poor decision away from the cops beating down your door. :p
Gotta be fun for you to have the Sox in your time zone.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox in my time zone, did you start drinking early?
The A’s are playing the Sox in Chi-town for this 4 game set. The Sox won’t make it out here until August, IIRC.
Overall, I think I’m more of a huge jackass than a short-term thinker. Hindsight is a great tool for making fun of people in your profession. Although making nightly investments in tequila and gin bottles might not get the return I was looking for and I’m starting to think that my investment in the great crack mines in Texas aren’t going to work out so well. Who knew that there wasn’t any crack in Texas?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops. My bad.
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by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was keynes who coined the long run -> dead thing?
but i may be wrong, i’m stupid.
by parkermo on Jul 3, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to be rude
and feel free to tell me to mind my own business but I’d like to know what constituted in your case alcohol abuse, what sort of quantities of booze made you seek rehabilitation? Drinking is more or less part of life to many in my country and i am intrigued as to why a therapy culture seems much more widespread in America, the only people who seek therapy for alcohol abuse over here are celebrities.
many thanks
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's so funny?
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what he wrote kind of went over your head there, eh.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry I'm lost
over my head, yes I guess
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't meant to be rude
but would you say that you have a level of gullibility commensurate with, more than or less than the average person in england? you seem to think that americans are profoundly different than the english. people are people, man. try and stay on your toes.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 3, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure i'm gullible
but I’ve been drinking so I have a legitimate excuse, and I do think that Americans are different to the English, what’s wrong with that?
remember when I post at this time I’m most likely to be in a different mental state than you lot
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll give you the different mental state.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 3, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you did figure out that I was joking, correct?
Although common in posts by others that frequent this site (I’m looking SoB’s way), I’m not one to contradict myself mid-post unless I’m screwing around.
The “I’m a burritos and tequila guy” followed by the “I will be sober, as always” tipped off the others. I’ll try to add a “clearly” from now on, just to be sure.
Cheers to you for asking, though. Do you feel like you need some help getting off the booze? For a small fee, I’d be happy to come visit you and drink all of your booze so that you don’t have any around to tempt you. I can also make you exercise, give yourself daily colonics, and drink wheat grass. For a little bit more, we can get SSH over there to teach you how to shave your balls. Who knows, IT JUST MIGHT WORK!
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
jokes, I’m sort of getting it now, maybe I should read the whole thread, not just selected posts. I don’t have any booze in the house, so I’m afraid your journey would be wasted, but i’ll buy anyone a drink from here anytime they come to england
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you don't want SSH to teach you how to shave your balls?
Or me to get you to give yourself daily enemas?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
I’ll pass, thanks for the offer though
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem ;)
I may take you up on that drink offer, I’ll let you know.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More proof - the English have a quaint notion
of “humour”.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's it, go numb again you freaking wino.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 3, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoping that the Sox get rid of Hawk...
is like hoping that the Sox make a trade for A-Rod. It isn’t going to happen so why waste time thinking about it? I do agree with you though. At least Stone is an upgrade from D.J.
by SSH2005 on Jul 3, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call?!
Yeah, lemme think about this.
Stony: A true game expert blessed with a sense of humor, skilled at weaving his expertise into every inning without once boring the audience or walking on the game.
DJ: Slightly less annoying than Hawk.
Hmmm.
by IceColdFalstaff on Jul 3, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i am really enjoying stone and farmer
stone is very good
by The Scoper on Jul 3, 2008 1:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
stone and farmer
both make a very good combination but putting stone on tv with hawk would lead to more intelligent comments about the other team and not just “ahh casey blake he absolutely kills us or ty punto does it again”...throw dj in the radio and see how he works with farmer…he can’t be worse than singleton
how long before john and jordan danks sit atop the brothers home run list?
by furby2056 on Jul 3, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should ditch farmer for DJ and get Orel Hershiser or someone like that to go with him.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 3, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think DJ is being groomed as Hawk's successor, so moving him to lead on radio would be good prep for tv
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 3, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk is bad, but entertainingly bad
DJ is just bad. Not anywhere near Ron Santo bad, but bad nonetheless.
I watch the games more than I listen, so I’d love to have Stone paired up with Hawk, thus hopefully Hawk (as has Farmio this year) would have to step up his game a notch or two.
C’mon…are you telling me we wouldn’t all miss Hawk’s “Dangummit!” or “There’s a duck fart”? Sure ya would.
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 3, 2008 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be good
cause Stone would reign in Hawk. Farmer at best should be the color guy on radio. He is easily the worst radio lead around judging by listening to other teams on MLB. They need a pro and demote or boot Farmer.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*reined*
Thanks WU. Yes, I went to U of I.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused - was replying to MM
I don’t think you are on crack, Tim. Not in TX.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I'm confused
they don’t have crack in Texas?
/calling to significant other “Honey, cancel the winter trip to Texas, apparently our hook-up lied about the crack mines down there.”
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look for the movie called "Tulia"
about the drug trafficking in West Texas. Halle Barry and Billy Bob I believe. The cops set up some people and that travesty must be documented. Tulia today is a centerpiece of Mexican trafficking now and because of the scandal the police a very wary of busting anything up there now. Very wild west. It’s midway between Amarillo and Lubbock, so you can say hello to Bobby Knight’s kid at Texas Tech while you refuel your addiction.
I’ll be in Tulia for my (soon to be) wife’s high school reunion later this month.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got a graduate, eh Tim! Niceone.
Tough to find in Tulia, I bet. Can she rope?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She grew up on a farm
that had rattlers and had to make sure the outside dogs didn’t get rabies and such from the local critters. Her whole family’s pretty good at book ‘larning though. We hope to build a cement pond out back someday for when the weather gets powerful hot.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
Living in the South right with you, so I understand.
Was she farming any particular “crop”?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parents sold and went broke
but they hold mineral rights and are selling wind believe it or not. I even have a company willing to pay me for mineral rights and I live in a suburb of Dallas. Fortunately, on top of huge natural gas discovery.
The oil and gas guys around here are obscenely wealthy. They like the energy crunch and GW is moving into the neighborhood.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet! Thanks for the info!
Do you have any favorite dealers / locations that I should check out? I assume that they’re all good, but, if possible, I’d like to support the local dealers…not any of these tourist trap or chain-type guys.
/”Honey, can you book a flight to Amarillo for tonight? We’ve got some luggage to pick up in Tulia this weekend!”
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask for Jose
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Luggage", or "baggage"?
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by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard "luggage" used to describe copious quntities of narcotics before
can I use baggage as well?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the passwords are
“Mexicans are pussies”. Good luck.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems odd, but I'll roll with it.
Congrats on the nuptials and such.
Growing up on a rattlesnake farm seems like quite a trip. Clearly, I’m impressed that your fiancee was able to keep the snakes giving the herd dogs rabies. Although I’m not exactly sure how a dog would herd snakes…is that kind of like how they herd sheep? And what does a snake dog look like anyways?
I certainly know what a sheep dog looks like, having met MM’s mom and all.
;)
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with Hawk?
Hawk is an institution. Sure, I think he’s mostly a dumbass, but he’s an entertaining dumbass and his passion for the White Sox is hard to top.
by madvillian on Jul 3, 2008 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...the TV side needs a "character" to get us through the bad games
If they could dump DJ and pair up Farmio with someone like John Rooney, we’d be in White Sox broadcast heaven.
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 3, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's my general feeling about him, too
sure, he can often be annoying (and if you take the right perspective, even some of his annoying tendencies can become unintentionally hilarious), but, for better or worse, he’s our harry caray. and i don’t know about the rest of you, but i think hawk’s calls of great moments make them even more exciting. “JOE! CREEEDEEE!!!!” anyone? as much as i enjoyed rooney and farmer’s calls during the world series, i sure would’ve loved to hear the hawkeroo call el duque’s magic act, aj’s steal of first, paulie’s slam, pods’s walk-off, uribe’s catch, and the final out.
dj, however, will never be anything more to me than the guy that replaced wimpy. i’d dump him for stone in a heartbeat.
by Ryno on Jul 3, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Well said.
He’s a goofball, but he’s OUR goofball. And even effin’ ESPN have to acknowledge him when they replay all of our walkoff dingers.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah you know I think I've been harsh on the guy lately
I gotta remember my roots, dadgummit.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 3, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s one thing I wish they could change about the playoffs. Being able to hear the Hawk during a World Series victory would have been amazing.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 3, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i imagine they have to put him under for those games so he doesn't freak out.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 3, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm pretty sure hawk taped himself calling paulie's grandslam and peter pan's walk off
it’s somewhere in his own personal archives of great calls….along with the “JOE CREDE!!!!” and the “HE THROWS IT AWAY!!!”...can’t forget “YESS!!!! MARK BUEHRLE!!!! A NO-HITTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!”
how long before john and jordan danks sit atop the brothers home run list?
by furby2056 on Jul 3, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's entertaining, the problem is all the suckup
that’s the primary reason that made me mute my tv last year, those 2 were unbearable…
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 3, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year was unbearable for all of us, whether or not we had to listen to Hawk/Deej
Might cut them some slack for last year. It’s a do-over.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the team was bad enough but hearing them try to explain it while defending every move the sox put me over the top
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 3, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sucks
He is, as someone pointed out above, the voice / face of the franchise, but I’d like to see that changed.
If I can’t watch the games with a bunch of jackasses like yourselves, which would make Hawk and DJ’s inane conversations entertaining, I’d like to have competent announcers as the voices / faces of the franchise. It would be nice to have a team that appreciates the finer points of the game from both statistical and anecdotal perspectives because it would be great to help educate the greater populace about the nuances of the game in addition to entertain them.
Wishful thinking I know. For now, I’ll take Stone over DJ.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should hear John Sterling and Suzyn Waldman
The worst radio crew in America, even Yankees fans will admit that.
by madvillian on Jul 3, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never considered that it could get worse
Sorry to hear you have to put up with that shit
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya, but the guy is kind of an institution at this point. if you grew up in the 80s, you've been listening to hawk for most of your life.
don’t you have a lot of fond sox memories that hawk is intertwined with? calling robin ventura grand slams, jack mcdowell pitching gems, the art of hitting by frank thomas? that guy loves the sox as much as anyone.
and for me personally, he used to golf at the country club i caddied at as a kid. he would show up real early and play by himself. on occasion i would load his bag (a black sox bag with white logo and his catch-phrases all over) on a cart and get to chat with him for a minute or two. for a 12 year old kid, that’s pretty exciting.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 3, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he molest you on the course as well?
UR GAAAA
BTW, which course did you caddy at?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
butterfield cc in oak brook
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 4, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird, I was a caddy at Butler National
I never realized how close the two courses are to each other
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 4, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right down midwest/31st street. they're practically neighbors.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 4, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a golf course on midwest road?
I want to be there, and not near the horrrrrrrrible road conditions of 22nd street.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 4, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off topic (eh, who cares?)
Sorry if this was covered elsewhere…
I read in the paper the other day that Swish invited an 8-year old kid who lost a leg to cancer to be his guest at the game a couple of nights back. Swish introduced the kid around, played toss with him and they exchanged gifts with each other.
I forget what the kid gave him…like a stuffed animal horse or something…but Swish said he would keep it in his locker the rest of the year to help inspire him.
He truly is our very own Captain Morgan…strike a pose, Swish!
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 3, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that the same kid who plays
baseball with one leg? If so, his name is Adam Bender, and I dare you to watch this video of him and not get a lump in your throat. Impressive kid:
by palehose67 on Jul 3, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know why that link isn't working.
Let’s try that again:
by palehose67 on Jul 3, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that is him.
They had Swish and him on tv the other night.
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody call Manny and Barry and have them watch
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 3, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice of the one kid
bowling him over at home.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
see an opportunity, you gotta take it!
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrible hook slide at 2nd too
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He took a pitch off Nick
he’a a catcher or something, a very brave little boy. It’s good to see sportsmen doing nice things like that, over here in England they are all cunts.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of bad sports, but it’s highly encouraged for US athletes to work with kids / charities in general. None the less.. I’d have to imagine Swisher is a lot more fun to hang out with for kids then most guys in sports.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 3, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and not feel "forced" to do so
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 3, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Ken Harrleson
he’s very enthusiastic, although I have no idea what he’s talking about, i can’t understand any of it. Some of the other callers on MLB.tv listening to them is like taking barbs or something. And that Cubs bloke with the combover and the ferret, that guy is a pain in the ass.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Make the move. Stone can provide something other than being Hawk's lapdog
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 3, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What? No gold medallion(s)?
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 3, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This made me laugh
I suppose ESPN will follow.
http://sportspickle.com/features/volume7/2008-0702-bandwagon.html
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Freaking awesome!
If it wasn’t for the larry ass comment on the proposed SSS meet up fanpost, that would be the funniest thing I’d seen all day.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on Jul 3, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His lack of a response...
is kind of scarying me right now!
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the latest in the long line of dumb questions
Christiano Ronaldo, who is the best footballer in England wants to leave Manchester Utd and play for Real Madrid, he is under contract for another 3 years yet has publicy stated he wants to leave, he already gets paid milions, but he is leaving and will go to Madrid. It’s an extreme example but in football no one can hold onto any talent anymore, the big clubs come sniffing and they (the players) are off.
Why don’t I see similar things happen in MLB? The Yankees want Starting Pitching right? What if they said publicly “We would like to sign Danks”, (like Madrid did with Ronaldo) because they have lots of dollars to buy out his contract. But I never see this kind of thing happening, in Baseball it seems to me the Clubs decide who plays for what team, whereas in Football it’s the other way round.
can someone please explain this to me
mant yhanks
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 4:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the lawyers here are better?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 3, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
that’s why I’m asking
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just joking
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 3, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because baseball has contracts and free agency.
There’s no way to just throw a bunch of money at someone who’s under contract.
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams have agreed
not to covet or ‘tamper’ with another team’s players while said player is under contract. The owners know that by doing so it only increases the players’ bargaining power and thus drive the price up. Apparently, clubs like Real Madrid likes to throw away money and ManU doesn’t know how to sue a player for breach of contract.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they know how to sue for breach.
and clubs litigate this stuff fairly often, though moreso with the poaching of managers. when real madrid pays manchester united the transfer fee, the agreement will certainly include a release of all claims, boiler plate language, blah blah blah, for such fee.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what is the usual result of such suit?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 3, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So ManU could say
‘no thanks’ to the transfer fee and Ronoldo stays put? It sounds like from hoodlight ManU has to accept or they’re screwed. Am I misunderstanding this? If not, it seems ManU says no and Ronaldo can decide if he likes the money.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure they could.
clubs say no all the time. it’s far more difficult to say no to real madrid when they almost always will pay whatever amount it takes to get your player, however. plus, one needs to consider whether it’s a great idea to hold onto a player who wants to leave your club. will he still perform for you? how do you “make” a player try hard for you? heck, how does one determine a player isn’t trying hard?
the complication in football is that the clubs are also adding pressure whereas in US sports a player may demand a trade but no other club is really going to come out and say “we want john danks” and publicly state what they’re willing to offer.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they can say no
and hold him to his contract, but he will almost certainly not put the effort in and will in effect be a very expensive passenger at the club for three years.
So they have a choice, take the $120 million dollar transfer fee or keep an unhappy player for three years after which he will fuck off for nothing anyway.
If we had a system more like baseball he would probably not have had his head turned in the first place.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, it'll cost Real Madrid $120M?
Why isn’t this money being passed down to players more? Am I wrong in thinking that the top players in Europe don’t make more than a couple million a year?
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, you're way wrong on that. ronaldo makes $12M+, iirc.
and players get a cut of the transfer fee, too.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players get a cut of the transfer fee?
I’d never heard that.
I’ve been trying to find a Premiere League salary list but I can’t. I do remember seeing one in the past though and being baffled at how much more baseball players make.
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all speculation
nobody really knows, the press found a players wage slip in 06 and with all the bonuses etc he was on over double what everyone had widely assumed he was being paid.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why were you baffled.
the clubs and leagues don’t make nearly as much money.
it’s true that a lot of it is speculation. but it’s probably generally accurate. when more of the english clubs were public companies it was easier to find out the answers to how much were transfer fees and what wages were. now that most of the big clubs are private again, not so much.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
apart from Arsenal
all of the English top clubs are carrying massive amounts of debt
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, that's what happens when you essentially do a leveraged buy-out.
so long as they stay big clubs and the revenues in football keep going up, they’ll be fine. so long as…
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Chelsea of course
but they are a differnet case all together
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
technically, chelsea has more debt than united
but most of it is to their owner, not external sources, so, yeah, sui generis.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just perception.
I thought the bigger teams in Europe (the perennial Champions League types) were popular on a much more worldwide level than any baseball teams outside of the Yankees. And, I suppose, even if this is true, it might be a much more recent phenomenon than I thought.
Are there any soccer websites you’d recommend?
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah loads
who do you suppport? what sort of things are you looking for? somewhere like this for example?
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I like Arsenal.
And Barcelona. But I don’t get to see enough to really say that for sure. Heh.
I would be interested in something that was more broad than just one team, or league even. And something that isn’t like what I can find in the mainstream media (ESPN, BBC).
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, this is very good
and there is tons of stuff in here, a lot of it is betting related but there are some great discussions and a lot of fun too. Lots of stuff on other sports too. Have a quick look and tell me what you think. You’ll be able to read but as an American not post.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's interesting.
Especially since it’s a betting forum and they’ll want to know everything in order to have the best chance at making money!
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they talk about baseball a lot too
look in the North American Section, lots of discussion about the Brewers losing all those runs in the 9th and people making and losing a lot of money.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha.
The problem with that site though is that there aren’t any fully written out stories for me to read to catch up on things. It’s just a load of short comments under things like “lets discuss Arsenal now!” instead of discussions started off articles like Cheat write for this place.
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 3, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
try this one
http://www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a top (not elite) (top 5%)
English footballer will probably pull around $120,000 a week on average.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that last point is probably the key one.
every team in baseball would tell you that they’d want, say, johan santana. you’d even find some clubs that would be willing to pay lots of money to get him (see, for example, the “transfer fee” paid by boston to dice-k’s japanese baseball club). but they aren’t allowed to do either.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
complex question with multiple answers
but a lot of it boils down to that: 1) a contract is a contract and rules are rules. it would be against the rules for another mlb team to say that publicly (yes, i realize it’s technically against fifa rules for real madrid to say ‘we want ronaldo’ but fifa is not particularly strong and they don’t do much of anything about this). and the contractual rights of an mlb club and the enforcement of such rights appears to be far stronger in american sports than non-american ones; 2) MLB is one organization and it’s a rather “clubby” organization. owners don’t do things to piss off other owners and those that run afoul of these formal or informal rules find themselves subject to various formal and informal sanction; 3) the different development of how players are transacted in the two sports. “buying” players under contract is severely frowned upon and is essentially against the rules. players, not a transfer fee/cash, is what is primarily exchanged.
players do demand to be traded in american sports, though probably less often in baseball than in other sports. but, again due to the tampering rules referenced above in 1, it’s not so much the clubs driving this but the players themselves.
bottom line is that the tampering rules are very strict and actually enforced with real penalties, unlike in soccer. and purchasing players (i.e., trading $150M for alex rodriguez) is essentially not allowed. thus, while the yankees can throw their money around in free agency, they can’t really throw their money around in trades.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for this
the players never technically break contract (refuse to play), but will make it clear via leaks to the press etc that they are unhappy. They usually (99% of the time) get the move thay are after. The problem is, is that the talent becomes skewed in a handful of very rich clubs and the game is suffering due to a lack of competition.
I guess, it’s what the players are used to as well, the culture you have is that contracts are binding, whereas our players seem to think they aren’t even worth wiping their arse with.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 3, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the NFL
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Konerko update...
Konerko update, Fourth of July notesBy Mark Gonzales – 4:29 p.m.
White Sox first baseman Paul Konerko is taking an early round of batting practice against batting practice pitcher Kevin Hickey, with hitting coach Greg Walker and trainer Herm Schneider observing. Manager Ozzie Guillen watched a late session.
This development is significant, only because Schneider is watching closely. Konerko is hitting several balls to right field.
Konerko said he expects to start a minor league rehab assignment Friday at Charlotte and plans to stay through Monday.
I see Uribe being traded to the Dodgers soon to free up a spot for Konerko on the roster next week.
by SSH2005 on Jul 3, 2008 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lineup: wise in leadoff position, ocab with a rare night off, juan showcased at SS.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wise, CF; AJ, C; Q, LF; Dye, RF; Thome, DH; Crede, 3B; Swish,1B; Ram, 2B; Uribe, SS. Vazquez pitching.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and frank is apparently in the hizee. i wonder if he visited the home clubhouse...
somehow i think i certain 1B is happy he’s off to charlotte this weekend.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe at SS...
Anyone else think that Ned Colletti requested a Uribe showing?
by SSH2005 on Jul 3, 2008 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no.
and if the sox were to consent to such a request, the entire staff should be fired. this is a first place team, not a radio station. you don’t take requests.
by larry on Jul 3, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 starts in a row for Uribe...
It definitely seems like the Sox are showcasing him at SS and 2B for some team, request or no request.
by SSH2005 on Jul 5, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little late to the party, SSH
Too busy posting “Sox suck” last night to read what had been written. You are now officially redundant AND cliche.
Step out of the box.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 5, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
javy
’’We looked at film and we found something with my mechanics and what I was doing,’’ Vazquez said. ’’We worked on it in the bullpen, and hopefully, it’s something that’s fixed.http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1037851,070308sptsoxnbk.article’’It was small, but kind of a big thing. I was bringing my arms out and then leaning back, and that’s why I felt like I was all over the place. We’ll see (tonight against Oakland). Just less motion with my arms, keep them close to my body.’‘
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 3, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, a coach helping a player fix a problem.
Maybe coop should help the hitters too.
How do you fuck a nut?!
by omnipotent grab on Jul 3, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not timely nor accurate
Both Swish and Crede have credited Walk this year, IIRC, with helping them with a mechanical issue.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 3, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So has Quentin, the guy who regularly self adjusts. In more way than one.
Brian has also credited Walk for helping him and we know his swing is still gruesome. Swish looks the same since the beginning of the season but with better luck. Crede has had years under Walker and he just gets it now? No that really doesnt seem right.
How do you fuck a nut?!
by omnipotent grab on Jul 4, 2008 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stoney Hawk Farmer
Stone and Farmer play off each other amazingly well. Can anybody suggest a better two (especially working currently)? I think Stone is better than he was with any of the “voices” he’s been partnered with, including Harry. He might upgrade the tv side, but it would be a downgrade as a sum of the parts.
The party ends sooner or later. Here’s a vote for later.
by tommyjoepeters on Jul 3, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stone alone > Stone and Farmer
Farmer is someone who thinks he’s funny (but isn’t) trying to be funny. Kind of like listening to Dane Cook.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 3, 2008 6:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
woah
farmer is WAY funnier than Dane Cook.
not even close.
I think Stone and Farmer are great together.
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by e-gus on Jul 4, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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