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  • I did a more thorough background on Jose's stuff and I'm going to talk to Josh Kalk and see if I can't get a few things from him on, say, just Jose and hopefully Clayton Richard too.  Anyway, it looks like Jose may have been having some velocity problems after the Cleveland start where he threw 115 pitches.  For those who want to see what I was looking at in particular, check out this and use in conjunction with a game log.  Also, Jose's side arm fastball is incredibly good against RHB, a legit sinker really.  He just doesn't have much against lefties, especially when he doesn't have good velocity.  Without a change up, he can't really disguise his fastball to LHB, nor does he have an out pitch for them if the forkball is off.
  • Yesterday's win has me thinking about Q's future.  For one, expecting him to noticeably decline at this point when the run scoring environment is so much better in the second half than the first would, once adjusted for the new environ, make the underlying reality even worse than it would seem at first glance.  So keep that in mind if it happens.  Either way, he's sporting a .271 ISO and a .101 IsoD right now.  I doubt you'd find 10 players in baseball with a better combo.
  • Additionally, and this is something I never read about him and still generally don't, is that his mechanics and way of doing things on the field are very much his own.  That is to say, very particular to him.  He throws a little weird (way over the top, footballishly).  He rolls over his backfoot in his swing.  And that stance!  To all of us, it's already iconic, a silhouette we'd recognize instantly. His peculiarity works both ways: it throws off prognosticators if it turns out he's legit (he's outstripping his PECOTA 90th percentile projection).  But the insularity of individuality only has so much power and, in fact, it can be part of the problem.  The pull toward the mean, the universal squeeze of entropy, more forcefully asserts itself against those who have no mentors, for whom the normal solutions hold no salve. Hall of Famers, of course, are by definition such and they are so incredible that they simply aren't subject to the tribulations of the weak.  They are distanced by their awesome powers, the strange savant, "Manny being Manny".  And they always have mythic proportions.  The Big Hurt.  Ironman.  The Sultan of Swat.  Or even...Q!perman.  Which is why, as I'm watching him, I wonder if it will be less special if 5 years from now he isn't the same Q I'm watching today. If it all ends too quickly, it'll be tough to comprehend and we'll be stuck wondering about what could have been.  Who's going to say they saw it coming?  ...Is it crude to see he and Omar in the same light?

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omar sharif?

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

epps.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 24, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Khayyam.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

little.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 1:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point, Duderino.

(I’m not into the whole brevity thing).

I have also wondered whether Q!! (he got his exclamation back, and then an extra one for his extra shot last night) will maintain the level of play that he has thus far demonstrated. Q!! hasn’t been around long enough for us to really know if he is another Pujols, or another Loaiza, for example. Would rather not use a pitcher to compare, but Loaiza absolutely rocked our Sox in 2003 and just as quickly, he’s just the butt of some jokes on SSS.

Stranger than just wondering what the future holds for Q!! and the Sox, is that I feel differently attached to him – like, I will be really torn up if his cape gets snagged. I WANT to see him kick ass (preferably for us) and become a Sox legend (more than we already consider him).

I think it has to do with his demeanor – he is not a Manny (not yet at least) because part of his greatness is also in his modesty (so far). Of course, the world of baseball is his oyster and only time will tell what becomes of Q!!

In the meantime, I am just freaking loving him. His stance. His Lego hair. He is a beast.
I’m working on the Q!/Gilgamesh photo. It’s hard to pull together when you don’t have Adobe.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I use photoshop sometimes

but mostly I use Paint.net. It’s pretty powerful (has layers and a good brush engine) and its much easier to use then photoshop. Oh, and it’s 100% free.
http://www.getpaint.net/

“I don’t always edit images, but when i do, I prefer paint.net”

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by thecip on Jul 24, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the tip!

Last week, Wiz taught me how to paste a picture into my comment box.
Now, you show me the path of Paint.net.

Gee gawsh, I am learning so much!

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 1:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait until colin introduces you to "fisting"

Oh, the memories you’ll make.

shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by winningugly on Jul 25, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Gimp, baby.

http://www.gimp.org/

Fugly interface, powerful features, open source. Bring out The Gimp.

by madopal on Jul 24, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if the interface was clearer it would be so much better

I thought photoshop was confusing…

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by thecip on Jul 24, 2008 5:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think you kids will end up together

though I didn’t realize you are an old bag – though colin could use a “woman of the world” to teach him a few things.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how old is "old bag" to you?

let’s try to keep some perspective, man

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mid-20's.

Aren’t you still trolling the high schools?

;)

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 2:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel somewhat patronized...

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 2:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He just called me "mid-20's"...

How do you think I feel?
I got another year before I start saying that mid-20’s bullshit.

Besides – “spinster,” please.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 2:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i mean if you're 24, that's got to be mid 20's.

otherwise you only have a year of mid 20’s.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you really worried about being old?

really?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, haha.

But I have finally reached the point where birthdays are completely ignorable and not worth celebrating. That part is true.

The only real worry I have about being mid-20’s, is that realization that I am not where I thought I’d be by my mid-20’s. Every year seems a little shorter than the previous.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's what you get for having hopes and dreams

if i had any kind of personal vision at all, i wouldn’t have racked up this kind of comment count so rapidly. so at least congratulate yourself for having the gall to try to stand up in the first place.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right.

No more hopes and dreams for me. Only aiming for mediocrity – and subsequently, a life of naturally over-achieving!

I am an urban achiever, after all.

And proud we are of all of them…...

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i actually have a t shirt that declares my status

as a lil lebowski urban achiever. so yeah, we are proud! please refer to me as one of his children.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Different mothers? So racially, he's cool?

Your phone number doesn’t spell out DUDE though. Email: notontherug.
Column-writing pseudonym: Maude

I win??
:P

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you couldn't get

NotOnTheRug…Man@whatever.com ?

psh, are you even trying? i’m not impressed.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh huh,

and our wedding will be black and white, Sox-themed, and will take place during the All-Star break so that the guests don’t have to miss a game.

And of course, Uncle WU will be ordained and lead the ceremony, while Larry sits in the back row, rolling his eyes and wishing our vows were more concise and informed.

Chiburb will sit front row, asleep, but supportive; while MM schtups the semi-attractive server with the fake tits and low self-esteem, in the honey bucket.

All of our kids will be named after Sox greats (lil’ Pablo, first-born) and our honeymoon will be a second-half road trip following the team stadium-to-stadium.

Match made in heaven.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 3:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly my thoughts

except for the “ordained” part.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

I don’t want the G-ster involved anyway.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know you've got it bad when all your hopes and dreams

end up in a sarcastic list on a blog

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sarcastic? Moi?

Huh. I would have no qualms about a Sox-themed wedding, for real.

Ohhhhhh, you were talking about seeing MM stumble out of the honey bucket with the ugly server…

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 3:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well then it's settled

as long as MM can’t come

...take that as you will

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what happened to semi-attractive? she still has the fake tits, right?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 24, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't the semi come after having too much scotch at the reception?

Or are we back to the Cialis conversation again?

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Jul 24, 2008 10:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think MM needs help in that department.

We may need some serious muscle relaxers to ever get him out of his “ready-to-be-roused” position.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 25, 2008 8:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sounds good to me. have you set a date?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 24, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also, honey bucket= ass, right?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 24, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You wish.

aka: Port-o-Potty

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Q! is no kenwo, that much is for sure.

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by thecip on Jul 24, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

But Kenwo is a whole other kind of animal.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Jul 24, 2008 1:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, we don't have to contemplate the future of Kenwo (4life).

It’s hard to worry about someone’s eventual decline, when they are celebrated for being extremely shitty in the first place.

The only way Kenwo could disappoint, is if he became intelligible and right about something.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 24, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't know about you, but kenwo's appeal lies in his ablilty to shift between reason and fantasy on the fly

I agree with a previous post by larry that about half of what kenwo says makes sense. The other half entertains me to no end.

and congrats on the engagement, cradle robber.

read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life

by rhythm on Jul 25, 2008 5:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm slow

So I’ll need some help on this one:

“The underlying reality even worse than what it would seem at first glance” is confusing me.
Are you saying if he slows in the second half, it’s actually even worse than it seems because the second half is usually better for hitters so therefore any slump is worse in the second half than in the first?

I also wonder about the PECOTA projections and if in Q’s case we should be all that concerned that he is playing above what the experts predicted. After last year of course expectations went down.
I mean if you go by the guy’s entire history, he was expected to be very good at one point before he was injured. I would think this season isn’t that far off of what people considered him capable of just a couple years ago. Similar to a Josh Hamilton.

Could he be what Jermaine Dye was supposed to be, before all of his injuries? I think so.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You got it exactly right

and PECOTA takes all of those things into consideration when it churns out its results. Silver feeds it a lot of data. That said, he’s already out-VORPed his 90th percentile.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 2:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Elias says...

QUENTIN HITS GAME-WINNING HOMER IN EIGHTH INNING

Carlos Quentin homered twice for the White Sox, including a decisive three-run shot in the eighth inning that capped the scoring in a 10-8 decision over the Rangers. Of Quentin’s 26 home runs this season, 14 have given his team a lead. The only other player in the majors with more than 10 go-ahead homers is Adrian Gonzalez (16). Five of Quentin’s go-ahead shots have come in the seventh inning or later, matching Prince Fielder and Aramis Ramirez for the most in the majors.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So clutch, unlike Thome.....

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sarcastic i hope

b/c i’m about to post the country bumpkin’s clutch stats from baseball reference ;-)

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 24, 2008 2:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Save it. Of course I am.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was a sweet post under that CBS sportline article in which the poster wanted to DFA Konerko or Thome

And bring in Juan Pierre or Crisp for CF. It was good stuff

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 24, 2008 2:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D.F.A.

The Thome/Kong Deathmatch has a clear winner, I believe.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

isn't the winner Q!

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cluuuuuutch

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 2:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At what point in the year do players with not much history in the league

exceeding Pecota’s 90th percentile projection have so little remaining revelence to the projection that it should just be discarded and try again next year with more data?

by madvillian on Jul 24, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a week from friday.

any preseason projection should be updated based upon what the player has done so far in a season.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great new sig.

Surprised you are deigning to share it with us, Jack.

;)

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we are well past that point

Q’s data was tainted anyway from his injury season adding to his already small sample.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about Q's taint?

I believe we are going over the line now, Tdogg…

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Nice play

rec’d

read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life

by rhythm on Jul 25, 2008 5:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't think it's tainted

it was pretty clearly a year of injury and will likely be looked upon as such in the database.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 2:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Looked upon what?

There wasn’t a lot of data to begin with. PECOTA doesn’t adjust numbers upward and say “if he didnt have a bum shoulder his numbers would be “x”. Look at Q’s career lines. I’d say his 07 numbers had a huge effect on his PECOTA projection.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what was his '07 projection?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looking for my 07 book now

But PECOTA thought highly of him in 05 & 06. Tomy John aside.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 2:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

07 Prediction

.285/.376/.483
.284 EQA

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 2:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well that wouldn't make his '08 Season unreasonable.

The power wasn’t expected, and I think he was considered a double’s hitter, but none the less still a solid year.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah the power is what really surprises.

I really expected only a line drive hitter. Everything else seems reasonable on an expected curve.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 3:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

.285/.377/.486 22.0 is the official.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did you have to pull that out of the '07 book?

or is there an online archive?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i just use what they wrote in articles as his projection.

that’s what i’d call the official; things often get slightly tweaked between when the book goes to print and their “final” publication by nate online. hence the slight variance. i also thought the VORP might be interesting.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 3:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the major breakout here is his power

and they don’t have his weighted mean above .200. so i’m inclined to say that he’s become a substantially better player in addition to coming back healthy.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree he probably is better and stronger.

But a .300 avg from him wouldn’t surprise me. In this day of teams jumping the gun way too often KW will have to really monitor his 09 1st half. Q may rake in the Cell for years.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's not how it works

Q isn’t a half season of baseball. he’s got data going back to college and, i’m sure, an existence going back much further. that’s how much is already known about him. years of data.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's really, really early to start comparisons,

yet what the hey – has there been a more one-sided trade that has born an immediate unequal return such as this in recent memory? I can’t think of one. I keep thinking Lou Brock. Who has been pantsed more than the D-backs re: this trade’s immedate unequal value?

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 3:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the D Backs got a third of Dan Haren out of it

also the Brock trade? the most infamous of all infamously bad trades? this isn’t even as bad as Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir yet.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

VZ for Kaz is a great example - thanks.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 3:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tough because I assume you mean immediate impact.

Otherwise the SFran trade with AJ and the Texas trading Chris Young and A Gonz look extremely bad.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 3:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also great examples. Thanks.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 3:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

old blog commenter is old

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 3:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just got reminded of the jurrjens for renteria deal.

probably more under the radar than some but that looks pretty awful. getting anything for renteria seems like a steal at this point.

once again illustrating, don’t trade with atlanta.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah it doesn't matter who's pulling the trigger it looks like

you’re going to lose if you trade with Atlanta. man, I really didn’t see Renteria taking this kind of plummet.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, but Jurrjens hasn't quite exploded like Q. (Perhaps because he's a SP.)

Long-term, I bet it will be hugely more obvious.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the mill
Two teams have told me that the White Sox have become very aggressive in the last 48 hours. Ken Rosenthal reported on a possible Brian Roberts deal, while others have talked about their desire to flip Orlando Cabrera. The Sox haven’t made Josh Fields an untouchable in discussions, surprising many, since Joe Crede is hurting and a free agent after the season. Discussions between the Red and White Sox (Soxes? Soxii?) regarding Cabrera and Juan Uribe didn’t get much of anywhere. The White Sox do have a lot of relievers that would interest other teams if they were made available.
There’s actually much more substance to rumors of the White Sox going after Justin Duchscherer, a fit that makes much more sense, especially if the A’s can extract Josh Fields and Aaron Pereira for the All-Star swingman.

i’m all for trading pereira. he’s totally overrated and i hear his delivery is prone to injury.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7850

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 3:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL.

Yeah, he looks expendable.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats just mean.

But funny

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you feel about all this?

I can’t decide. Of course depending on who is coming back and leaving, but more the moving of OC in general?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think it's silly, personally.

i’m having trouble envisioning a deal that makes sense in that regard. some of this may be because of the uncertainty i still retain over ramirez, due to the lack of past history, but he’s confounded me so far with his amazing ability to adjust almost immediately. i just don’t see, in a vacuum, moving OC as particularly productive move. if the sox are going to “go for it”, just trade prospects.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’d assume.. it would mean our prospects are not cutting it, so he’d rather get the Dodgers prospects and trade them?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i do note.

that may be why the roberts deal was a complete non-starter. looked totally ridiculous. i mean, beyond rauch for bonificio ridiculous.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you don't like replacing OC with Roberts in the lineup?

30 points of OBP and 40 points of SLG better than Cabrera and likely similarly good defense.

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by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does Roberts play SS?

I bet Chelexei’s D goes down at SS for the first month at least.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont man

OC’s defense by win shares is pretty damn good and no one is close to him in the AL this year.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dont know.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, that's a really nice swap to think about.

but it ain’t straight up.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who would've been gone in that scenario?

fields and poreda and?

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by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

downgrade the texeira deal a bit

and i think that’s what it would take. we’re talking at a minimum cabrea plus fields, poreda, and someone else. query, of course, whether the sox have that someone else first. would a team buy high on richard? is there someone(s) tantalizing at the lower levels?

it’s clear KW is trying to get creative precisely because he doesn’t have the chips. i mean, duh, will carroll, of course fields isn’t off limits. that’s all he has.

i said before that i can’t see the sox acquiring someone other than an obvious rental. maybe KW pulls a rabitt – i’ve learned to not count the man out – but it’s hard to see how it works to the advantage of this year to be dumping good players in the starting lineup to do it.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you add

in the two first round picks that come with Cabrera (assuming that still holds true) – well, than that is a ton to give up!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 24, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didn't think about that...

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 24, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nobody mentioned Uribe yet

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 4:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uribe would definitely go to the O's in that scenario

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by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant the "ton" reference

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Straight?

Colin doesnt know the meaning of the word. ;p

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by omnipotent grab on Jul 24, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And a little tear slides down HSA's cheek...

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Jul 24, 2008 10:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but a huge grin appears on Rearden

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Jul 25, 2008 8:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I trapped it in a jar.

To drink later with the rest of ‘em.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 25, 2008 8:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what part about the raw math doesn't work though?

you’re saying basically you wouldn’t risk it, right?

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by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don't get it either...

We are all assuming that Alexei will be starting at SS next season anyways, right?

Alexei + Roberts + Fields – Cabrera >>> Alexei + Cabrera + Roberts – Fields

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because I am assuming a scenario in which...

the Sox trade Cabrera to the Dodgers for prospect(s) and then trade these Dodgers prospect(s) along with Sox prospect(s) not named Fields to the Orioles for Brian Roberts. Maybe the Sox pry LaRoche from the Dodgers and send him to the Orioles instead of Fields.

I thought your scenario was to simply keep Cabrera and trade Sox prospects straight-up for Brian Roberts? In that case, the Sox are definitely sending Fields to the Orioles.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there is no scenario in which the sox get roberts without giving up fields at the minimum.

and no one is going to trade laroche for cabrera straight up. i mean, come on, ssh. i know you’re not this dumb when it comes to non-sox deals. let’s apply the same logic. the roberts deal was pie in the sky and was treated as such.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 4:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think that LaRoche for Cabrera a ridiculous idea...

The Dodgers seem to have soured on him and are using him as trade bait.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 5:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to get a SS rental? i dunno, ssh. that seems pretty ridiculous to me.

one season of cabrera before the season was worth one season of jon garland. now, despite half the season being gone, cabrera is worth 5.5 years of andy laroche? the numbers ain’t even coming close to adding up there.

i do not avoid women, gafferland.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 5:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

larry, you closet Rays fan

Did you just see the 11 pitch AB for a single by Longoria against Meche?

He’s a keeper. (Duh.) The next time you are in Tampa I’ll take you to a game, you POS. We can get seats in the dugout – no one seems to care.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 7:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well really it doesn't solve anything long term either

instead of a 2B we’d need a 3B. considering the market and the resources he’d have at that point, i don’t really see it. KW prefers the many little bets strategy, and i do too. that’s probably his genius, reall

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you saying

that KW’s genious lies behind him agreeing with you? because you’re the smartest person ever?

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by whitesoxmatt on Jul 24, 2008 4:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

definitely not saying that

definitely a post facto recognition of KW’s eye for how to get a good return and limit your risk at the same time.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know what you meant

but your wording left it open to that interpretation so i decided to be a dickhead and run with it

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by whitesoxmatt on Jul 24, 2008 4:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well i accidentally cut myself off

the rest is below.

dickwad.

also: am in a2 now.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you back there for good now?

me: [Prince] Fielder, YOU SUCK
Mattee115: what'd he do?
me: Ran to tag out Pie at first but got beat
and it woulda ended the inning
Mattee115: i never thought he'd get out run by a pie

by whitesoxmatt on Jul 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 6:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*really

anyway, KW likes to make bets on a lot of different players a year and uses upside to his advantage. instead of using the cash to splurge on prime free agents, a market that’s terrible in terms of production/dollar, he goes after those everyone else seems to forget about for a little while.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think we'd be weaker on D

and slightly better on O ( know SSH has some good numbers that show an increase in OPS of .200, but I don’t know how moving Chelexei to SS and Roberts acclimating to a new city would change their performance). 2 guys getting familiar with each other in the middle of the season in the middle of the infield is pretty risky. And since our defense is weakening anyway do we want to accelerate that process?

I’d like a real CF and a great 3B prospect. If Paulie would pull a groin I’d be more inclined to stand pat.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 3:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty sure Roberts is up to the challenge

he’s played in the AL East his entire career. poor bastard wants to get out I’m sure.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's part of what I mean

Not sure of his network, but if he is married, and buddies/family/dealers are in Bal’more, he might have a tough time adjusting. You may be right, and he’s praying to get out, but O’s look sort of decent this year, and maybe he’s excitied.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he has to know he's not part of their future plans

free agent in ‘09. unless you’re Chase Utley or the Old Jeff Kent, I don’t understand trying to build around a second baseman

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So he weighs a playoff experience likelihood vs.

moving for 6 months and moving again.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's 30

if he were 5 years older, i might buy it. but, for one, i don’t believe he has any kind of NTC. for two, is that really going to affect his performance?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

somewhere rickie weeks and ian kinsler are crying

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but honestly, if I'm the O's

I’m looking to flip a year and a half for Roberts for a legit SS prospect/young MLBer. aka Alexei.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ruh roh

colin is thinking

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i ain't trading Alexei under any circumstances

we need a SS for next year and I don’t want to overpay for OC

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah for sure

let’s just hope people from the O’s don’t flock over here to SSS and read the shit we post

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 4:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 4:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you just laugh at yourself?

First signs of dementia, or becoming a Cub fan.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 24, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes yes i did

i’m going through pablo withdrawls….

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where is all this coming from?

Is Ozzie somehow lobbying to move OC now? That would seem strange, unless Cowley slipped him a mind control pill.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 4:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if they can work some shit out and end up getting duke, and eventually roberts...holy shit

KW plzzzz

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That doesn't seem like a KW trade..

Trading for the Douche while his value is at an all time with his only trading chips?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd really like Justin on this years team

But your right I would not like what it would take to get him.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't mind giving up Poreda at all...

and losing Fields would certainly suck way more but if Kenny is willing to give them up for Duchscherer, he may as well try to expand the deal to include Huston Street. But I guess once Fields and Poreda are in the trade, Beane probably doesn’t have much interest in the leftovers of the Sox farm system.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there are a few Kanny guys and rookie ballers

who are worth somebody’s while. but that’s really an issue of finding someone who actually values those kinds of assets, since they obviously don’t compare to guys who’ve reached AA.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you've got to be kidding me. you want to give up pereira right in the middle of his peak years? is he even arb-eligible yet?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 24, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't give him up!

Guy looks like he has “Closer” (of the company softball team) written all over him!

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by BobbySouthSide on Jul 24, 2008 4:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Naga... Naga...

Well, not gonna work here anymore anyway.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Jul 24, 2008 10:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MM is referring to the new hybrid of aaron poreda and dustin pedroia

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 4:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Spelling corrected

damn!

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God bless you. Tdogg

A wurst spelr then me.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 4:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kenny is going trade crazy...
According to FOXSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal, the White Sox would get back Alex Cora if they sent Juan Uribe to Boston.
Uribe is making $4.5 million this year, while Cora is at $2 million, so the teams would split the remaining difference in salaries if the trade got done. Rosenthal believes the White Sox could play Cora at second base, move Alexei Ramirez to short and trade Orlando Cabrera to the Dodgers for Derek Lowe. That seems a little far-fetched, though. The Red Sox obviously see Uribe as an upgrade from Cora, particularly since their need is at shortstop. Cora is sure-handed enough, but he doesn’t have the same range as Uribe, even if Uribe has lost a step.

Source: FOXSports.com

Alex Cora starting at 2B? Where’s my gun?

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Derek Lowe?

I believe this not.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

would be an outstanding acquisition

but not if we were radically changing the dynamic of the current lineup. besides, why would the Dodgers ditch their best pitcher?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously.

What the fuck are you going on about Rosenthal?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, crazy idea to think that Kenny would want Alex Cora starting at 2B...

Only way this makes sense if Kenny then trades Fields and other prospect(s) to the Orioles for Brian Roberts to keep Alex Cora as the backup utility infielder.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It didn't make any sense to me either...

until I read that Lowe is a free agent at the end of the season. The Dodgers still have plenty of starting options…

Right-hander Brad Penny, recovering from mild tendinitis in his right shoulder, should soon be available to replace Lowe in the Dodgers’ rotation. The Dodgers even could trade for Padres right-hander Greg Maddux, who would waive his no-trade clause only for a National League contender in the western part of the country.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please baseball gods....

Protect us from Cora starting at 2b on the Pale Hose. SSH may lose his daggone mind and drive us crazy in the process…...

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what about kenwo?

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 9:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No furby

Kenwo can’t start at 2b for the Sox. He may know his way around a baseball diamond, and he may be a champion several times over, but he would NEVER play next to that POS Konerko, we ALL know that.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Jul 24, 2008 10:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well well i was referring to people losing their minds if alex cora is starting at 2nd base for the sox...

if he were to play next to konerko…i’d pay to see those results

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 25, 2008 1:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

coin toss

What a fucking waste of time for a rumor his source says is a coin toss.

LOL @ this..


Cabrera could be their best remaining alternative, unless they traded for a third baseman instead. Perhaps the White Sox would include another player in a package for Lowe if they could get back a platoon partner for Cora. Pablo Ozuna, whom the White Sox recently lost on waivers to the Dodgers, would fit.

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by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 24, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bourgeois...

Not that I want to see a platoon of Cora / Bourgeois at 2B.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 4:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This quote doesn't make any sense either...
A straight-up Cabrera-for-Lowe trade would favor the White Sox — Cabrera is in decline while Lowe is still performing at a high level. But the Dodgers are running out of options at shortstop. They balked at the price for Uribe

The Dodgers balked at the price for Uribe? Meanwhile, the Sox are trading Uribe for Alex Cora? You’re telling me that the Dodgers don’t have their own version of crappy Alex Cora to send the Sox for Uribe?

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Q!pertown

\ thread

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room !

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Q!perstown

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room !

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 24, 2008 4:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, Indeed

Anyways, I enjoyed reading that Colin. I think Q! is here to stay.

Also I think Richard looked pretty good, a few more starts like that and it could be bye bye Jose.

by 815Sox on Jul 24, 2008 4:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saw this at SoxTalk.com...
Bernstein just mentioned that various outlets are reporting that KW’s talks with the A’s regarding a trade for Justin Duchscherer are heating up. Fields and Poreda would likely be involved.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just listened to the rest of Boers & Bernstein's show on WSCR 670...

Boers is really pushing the Fields + Poreda to the A’s for Duchscherer trade rumor.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 6:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ugh that would suck.

I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez

by omnipotent grab on Jul 24, 2008 6:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I realize Dusch is having a ridiculous year, but does anyone know enough about him to suggest that Fields, Poreda for Duchscherer is a fair trade? I would have no clue.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 6:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think getting Josh Fields onto this team and healthy makes more sense

for this team. It didn’t suddenly get young at the corners. Duchscherer doesn’t convince me, in any case, that I should give up that kind of talent. Two first rounders?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 6:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's my thinking

That’s why I asked, I wasn’t sure if Duchscherer was just a lot better then I thought.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 6:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This could be just a coincidence...

but Josh Fields is not in the lineup tonight for Charlotte.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_07_24_chraaa_indaaa_1

Of course, he could just be getting a day off or maybe he is banged up a bit.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Considering the non-stop trade talk

It’s pretty interesting timing to say the least.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 6:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This has happend at least twice this season when trade spec was hot

and each time there was a logical explanation.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 7:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This was posted at SoxTalk.com...
Ok so according to Cowley (he’s on the Score right now) Duchscherer is NOT a priority for the Sox right now, he’s plan C or D, the only reason the Sox would deal for Duch is if 1 or 2 other deals fall through.

I wonder what plans A and B are?

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 8:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1. Win now

2. Win in the future.

Both while making a profit.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 8:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

generally by the time they actually get to the press

they’ve already smoldered out.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 24, 2008 6:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good Lord..

Has Kenny just gone insane..
Fields & Poreda for Douche
Uribe for Cora
Cabrera for Lowe

Would the O’s be interested in Gavin Floyd, Alex Cora, Whatever the hell else we have left?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

remember how sure we all were that Crede was outta here?

We really dont know what Kenny has up his sleeve.
I was at the cell when Duchererererer beat the Sox a couple weeks ago, he looked good.
If we give them Fields and Poreda, they can have an entire team of ex-sox farm hands on the field.

’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk

by e-gus on Jul 24, 2008 6:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keeping tabs on The Big Hurt.
Thomas remains optimistic about returning before the end of the month

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080721&content_id=3167861&vkey=news_oak&fext=.jsp&c_id=oak

I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez

by omnipotent grab on Jul 24, 2008 6:23 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The A’s board has a pretty big thread about the Duchscherer trade too. On the plus side they don’t want that deal to happen so that’s nice.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 24, 2008 6:24 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What A's fans want and what Billy Beane wants are very different...

I am pretty sure that almost every A’s fan hated the Harden / Gaudin trade.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 6:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We know the players weren't fond of it.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 7:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way, this paragraph:

“Additionally, and this is something I never read about him and still generally don’t, is that his mechanics and way of doing things on the field are very much his own. That is to say, very particular to him. He throws a little weird (way over the top, footballishly). He rolls over his backfoot in his swing. And that stance! To all of us, it’s already iconic, a silhouette we’d recognize instantly. His peculiarity works both ways: it throws off prognosticators if it turns out he’s legit (he’s outstripping his PECOTA 90th percentile projection). But the insularity of individuality only has so much power and, in fact, it can be part of the problem. The pull toward the mean, the universal squeeze of entropy, more forcefully asserts itself against those who have no mentors, for whom the normal solutions hold no salve. Hall of Famers, of course, are by definition such and they are so incredible that they simply aren’t subject to the tribulations of the weak. They are distanced by their awesome powers, the strange savant, “Manny being Manny”. And they always have mythic proportions. The Big Hurt. Ironman. The Sultan of Swat. Or even…Q!perman. Which is why, as I’m watching him, I wonder if it will be less special if 5 years from now he isn’t the same Q I’m watching today. If it all ends too quickly, it’ll be tough to comprehend and we’ll be stuck wondering about what could have been. Who’s going to say they saw it coming? ...Is it crude to see he and Omar in the same light? “

Could’ve been like, a third as long and say the same thing.

I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 24, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I stopped reading at "Additionally".

YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN…

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 7:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this site has become such horseshit.

i go to soxmachine.com for all my sox commentary now. shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by larry on Jul 24, 2008 7:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by thecip on Jul 24, 2008 7:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jack, pretty lardy

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 24, 2008 8:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really? I feel I've been very insightful

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 24, 2008 8:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The trade deadline is approaching...

The site is about to blow up by next week, no matter what Kenny does—some people will be pissed off if he doesn’t make any trades and other people will be pissed off that he gave up too much talent.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 8:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, if I can't Google a supported opinion

I got nothin’.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 25, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cheat needs to shit or get off the pot

Either write like a blog this trafficked deserves or appoint some deputies.
And it would help, of course, if the deputies could write.

This is still the best Sox related blog, but it’s not as good as it was a 2 years ago. Cheat just isn’t around that much anymore, and the people running it in the meanwhile aren’t interested/interesting enough to grow the readership.

by madvillian on Jul 24, 2008 8:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eesh

Colin can write. And hopefully he’ll view this blog as an opportunity to write and get even better at it.

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 24, 2008 8:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's all I was getting at

Just urging him to write tighter, because there was good stuff in there. By no means did I intend to start a referendum.

I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 24, 2008 9:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the blog has gone downhill

No offense to Colin or Cheat. Cheat is good at writing about the Sox and he is hardly here anymore. Thus, the blog is suffering. I don’t think that’s radical thinking.

Besides, Colin probably knows how NYPD tastes at 3am after the Blind Pig—and that alone will teach when to cut a line or two.

by madvillian on Jul 24, 2008 9:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's an idea...

Since no one is around to post, how about a nice stickied Fanpost for any and all trade rumors regarding the White Sox up until the deadline in a week, instead of them getting lost in the stream of gamethreads, etc.?

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 9:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...

I shouldn’t post that incredible take down of Mama Mia that I read the other daY?

Optimist

by Peder on Jul 25, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and that has 3 different plausible meanings, which is like awesome

cause the 3rd one (cut in line to get some good food) occured like 20 minutes after I wrote it.

by madvillian on Jul 24, 2008 9:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Colin's posts

I’d just recommend linking out some of the SABR stats he uses to pages that describe them fully.

by shaftr on Jul 24, 2008 10:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Site value plummeting like a financial stock

<$35K.

The Butkus year - time to knock everyone on their ass.

by winningugly on Jul 25, 2008 9:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but we have kenwo

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 25, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to be clear

the people running it in the meanwhile

I don’t run SSS in any way

I just post stuff in my free time, I’m not responsible for anything

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 25, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

just post some pictures right now of captain swisher and Q!perman

that’ll bring the value back up

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 25, 2008 12:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We know, Wiz

You do well. Someone needs to help Cheat. I fear he’s becoming Bat-Girl-meets-Keyser Soze:

“And, poof, he was gone.”

shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by winningugly on Jul 25, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i know

I’m like the Harper Lee* of blogs.

*sans the one great work.

by shaftr on Jul 24, 2008 8:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rec'd

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can understand that the lardy can become excessive at times.

But as little as I can personally contribute to your statistical discussions and trade chatter (I have literally been without baseball broadcasts since 2006’s season, until recently when I bought mlb.tv, so my knowlege of other teams/players has become scarce as a result), I still enjoy reading it all and learning stuff that I will personally never have the initiative to search for myself.

And despite how annoying and “horseshit this site has become,” I think everyone should consider the different reasons why some of us are even here in the first place. Some of us know everything about every player to ever grace the Comisk/ular diamond and want to have an outlet to discuss with other well-informed fans.

While I love evesdropping on the discussions of you baseball encyclopedias, the reason I show up, is because I recently moved 2000 miles and don’t have anybody with whom to talk Sox, or even baseball in general. So just because my contributions may be worthless IL’sHO, I enjoy being here and able to watch a game and chat about it like I was having a beer with my Sox friends in Chicago. I have literally nobody else around for that.

So I won’t really apologize for my contribution to the site’s demise because my purpose here is different than Larry’s, different than Chiburb’s, different than Colin’s, etc….

I just like shooting the shit with Sox fans.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 25, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what larry's talking about:

SSS has become a spinster’s social club!
Right larry?
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Granted, most people think of a “spinster” as someone who doesn’t have romantic relationships. Historically, a spinster was a woman whom love had passed by, who had never "been chosen" for marriage or motherhood. As modern spinsters, however, we do our own choosing. We embrace romance and relationship, but with a consciousness of both the joys and the costs involved. We know that it’s nice to wake up next to a warm man, but that the trade-offs are that he’ll likely leave the toilet seat up and forget to pick up his underwear. We understand that the ideal and the reality of love must be taken together, and so we feel no impetus to radically change the men we become romantically involved with. And as permanent single people, we also do not invest energy in evaluating whether men are “marriage-material.” This orientation gives us a power in relationships that is (sadly) not always accessed by our married (or marriage-minded) sisters.

– Love and the Modern Spinster

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Jul 25, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks dad.

You help good.

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 25, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now: kenwo v. cheat for SSS Supremacy

later: truckzilla

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by thecip on Jul 25, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if uribe goes

i’m out of material. Lets somehow get dmitri young then.

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by thecip on Jul 24, 2008 7:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ya no joke man....it seems like you and me are always all over the uribe fat jokes....

just like juan’s all over the post game meal….i heard they make a table and a half for him…and the rest of the team gets a half table…also i heard they give juan edible plates and silverware…he shovels in so much he’s been ruining that plastic shit

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 9:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man, the Flubs are going to have to trade for a reliever...

Kerry Woods is on the D.L. for a bit with Josh Beckett-citis and Carlos Marmol has turned into Billy Koch.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

billy koch is the shit!

wait you mean white sox billy koch lol…hahahaha loser cubs

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 24, 2008 9:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan Braun and the Brewers are ridiculous...

Nice comeback against the Cardinals. Eight wins in a row now.

The Cubs are calling up former Notre Dame wide receiver Jeff Samardzija to replace Kerry Wood.

by SSH2005 on Jul 24, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whats he done to deserve the call up?

Hes walked too many and struck out too few.

I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez

by omnipotent grab on Jul 24, 2008 11:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Three consonants in a row.

That’ll get you called up every time.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Jul 25, 2008 12:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like larry would say, small sample size.

His ground ball rate increased and his walk rate dropped so if can keep improving he might be useful for them otherwise he’ll be an arsonist.

I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez

by omnipotent grab on Jul 25, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the deal with the minor insurrection?

Is it really happening again? Is the Internet taking itself too seriously?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 25, 2008 1:20 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't take it personal Colin

Larry is the Ozzie of this site. His rant serves for us to get our shit together. A mastermind who moves our actions like puppets to keep us in 1st place in the Central division of blogs.

Personally I think the blog is best in the off season. The drastic and differing opinions are comical and informative at the same time.

Keep posting and use more links as some suggested.

Question if Larry is Ozzie is Jim Peter Gammons?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 25, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I want to know is who were all those people in the last game thread?

I didn’t recognize like 60% of the posters. Were they recruited from SoxTalk?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Jul 25, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great time for them to appear.

The site needs cheat back soon.

I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez

by omnipotent grab on Jul 25, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If larry is Ozzie, is Jim then Peter Gammons?

I’d watch myself if I was you, Tdogg, cause where I come from, them is fightin’ words!

read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life

by rhythm on Jul 25, 2008 7:46 PM CDT