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White Sox Trade Deadline Rumor Central !!!

It looks like the Uribe to the Red Sox trade for possibly Alex Cora has fallen through.  The most recent rumor is that Justin Duchscherer is just Kenny's Plan C.  Rumor is that Kenny is open to dealing Josh Fields, along with Aaron Poreda, to acquire a starting pitcher.  Here are a couple quotes from posters at SoxTalk.com:

The way Joe Cowley was talking this morning on Mully and Hanley Josh Fields is as good as gone.  He said they want a SP and Duscherer is third on their wish list.  If he is third on the wish list who the hell would be 1 and 2?  It would have to be a big name.

Cowley on the SCORE this morning had Duch at plan C.

He also quoted Guillen as saying he will not say his Justin's last name for fear of how he may say it and get in trouble.

I think one of OC or Crede are signed and if not, than it is possibly 4 picks in the top 40 or so gutting the farm system will not hurt especially with Danks and Beckham if signed.

Remember the A's were thought to have wanted Poreda in draft last year and the Sox took him one spot before Oakland.

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Check your lardy at the door!

That is all I will say on this one.
ENJOY!

I believe in Harvey Dent

by homesickalien on Jul 25, 2008 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I do remember Beane supposedly wanting to pick Poreda...

but the Sox took him one pick earlier. So it makes some sense that Beane would want Poreda. And Fields could serve as a DH/1B for them and then move over to 3B full-time if Beane is ever able to dump Eric Chavez. But with Chavez currently out with a shoulder injury, Fields could start for the A’s at 3B right now.

by SSH2005 on Jul 25, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

for as much as our farm sucks

Beane sure likes to plow in it.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Jul 25, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if they were somehow able to acquire a SP

what the hell would they do with contreras and all that money he’s owed. he is signed through next year, correct? is he hurt that bad where hes going to have to stay on the DL for a long period of time. I remember him bitching and moaning last year about being in the Pen.

12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez

by The Deacon on Jul 25, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good question...

For this season, Contreras would probably go to the bullpen.

After this season? Hmmm…

Maybe Kenny sells high on Floyd in the offseason, like some posters have suggested? I don’t see it happening but it is one option. I think Kenny really likes Floyd and the fact that he will have him under control for years making next to nothing.

by SSH2005 on Jul 25, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see Contreras going to the pen

I see him rehabbing and then getting moved back in the rotation…they will take it slow with him, but think he will bounce back. I think they are worried that either Danks or Floyd might have a tough second half, or both.

Contreras could always be like El Duque was in 2005, but I don’t think he would go for it.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 25, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is plan A Nick Magic and plan B kenwo?

Please handcuff this jerk to the bench and never let him out unless its the 19th inning or you are up or down by 10. Go get Damaso Marte and admit your mistake you stubborn **.-kenwo on boone logan

by furby2056 on Jul 25, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

plans A and B

burnett’s name has been out there, and he’s pitched well of late. i’d definitely like his stuff in our rotation.

the other supposedly available guys, like arroyo and washburn, certainly don’t seem like they’d be better options than duchscherer, unless it’s the deals that are more favorable with plans A and B, not necessarily better players.

by Ryno on Jul 25, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that Fields and Poreda could get Burnett

Burnett will be opting out of his contract, so it’s 2 months of Burnett, who hasn’t exactly pitched great this season. I’m not sure it’s worth it unless you can get TOR to take Contreras as well.

As much as Fields and Poreda have underperformed this season, I don’t like the idea of trading 2 first round picks at AAA and AA for a probably mediocre rental.

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 25, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heyman
Lately the Dodgers have been talking to several teams about a shortstop. The loss of Rafael Furcal has been “a killer’’ for them, in the words of one AL executive, and they are seeking a veteran replacement along the lines of Jack Wilson, Orlando Cabrera or Edgar Renteria.

L.A. has been talking about bringing Cabrera back to that area, as first mentioned on Foxsports.com, and there would appear to be plenty of chance there for a deal since the White Sox are a rare team that’s deep at shortstop—if the Dodgers are capable of pulling a deal off, that is.

Cuban import Alexei Ramirez, who’s showing some confused footwork at second base, is thought ready to man shortstop, giving the Sox unusual flexibility at a difficult position. It is believed the White Sox are targeting one or more of the talented Dodgers kids.

But the Dodgers, who at one time also showed interest in Sox third baseman Joe Crede, have been taking a hands-off approach on most of their prospects—if not all of them. One executive who recently spoke to the Dodgers got the impression that not only are top young players like James Loney and Matt Kemp untouchable, but so are somewhat lesser talents such as Blake Dewitt and even Andy LaRoche, whose stock has been falling for many months in the eyes of some.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/07/24/scoop.dodgers/

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 25, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers eventually need to do something, they won’t have that rotation forever.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LA may move a little faster if Ariz trades for Tex

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 25, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So the Dodgers want a SS for 2 months but won't trade any prospects

I hope this doesn’t morph into the Sox trading OCab + prospects (or Floyd) for a LAD veteran

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 25, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Williams says "Fuck it, I'm going deep!"

And trades everyone in the minor league system for Roy Halladay. Everyone.

Seriously, if they go for another starter who the hell goes to the pen? Contreras would be the best fit but doesn’t want to, Vazquez would be next but also has too much pride, and both of them are veterans that could and have gone on absolute tears for long stretches of time and could now. Floyd is probably the most likely, but how would his never pedal to the medal mentality work there and would it shatter his confidence, his sword and shield? This is a very fragile situation Williams is fucking with and I think he should just leave the team alone like he has the past three years. For every Freddy Garcia, there are like five Jason Schmidt and Griffey rumors and we all know Williams likes to work in the off-season. Btw, Kenny likes Brian Roberts(big surprise) and wants to trade Josh Fields. If he can get good value for Fields I say go for it, he’s going nowhere fast.

Meanwhile, they’re talking about moving James Gordon “The Commissioner” Beckham to third. Fuck that. (His first two names are James Gordon. Jim Gordon. Get it? Ah what the fuck ever.)

by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 25, 2008 2:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Moving Beckham to 3B

So far only Cowley has speculated on that and he doesn’t run the Sox. I think the ignore button needs to get hit there.

Beckham’s bat plays way better at SS or 2B. And the Sox will need a 3B in 2009, not 2011.

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 25, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how dare you question joe cool?

:p

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by The Wizard on Jul 25, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You move Beckham to 3rd and it's a wasted pick

It was my understanding that he could plausibly play an average to good SS, and that his bat at that position would make him a very useful player, even if he gets moved to 2nd the same applies.

At 3b, not so much.

by madvillian on Jul 25, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

joe cool working his inside sources
A source told the Sun-Times this week that the Sox have several trade scenarios in place to acquire pitching, but each one involves moving third baseman Josh Fields in a package. The team hopes to have first-round pick Gordon Beckham signed in the next few weeks, and while he is a natural shortstop, he could be groomed as the third baseman of the future, especially if Fields is moved.

Names such as Jarrod Washburn, Derek Lowe and A.J. Burnett have come up in the last week as possible targets, but each one is flawed as a realistic move, especially Washburn, a client of agent Scott Boras. Next.

No, if Williams makes a move, it will be for a name that’s not being floated, not for someone who is obvious.

It’s too quiet to happen any other way.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1074182,CST-SPT-joe25.article

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by The Wizard on Jul 25, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No chance

that I would want Washburn, Lowe or Burnett. All three of those guys are highly over rated. Keep Contreras over those guys unless he is hurt more than they are leading on. Even if he is I would rather them grab Freddy Garcia off the scrap heap.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 25, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say Burnett makes the most sense (for reasons I've mentioned before)

he’s only a half-season rental who (correct me if I’m wrong) wouldn’t net two first-rounders at the end of the year because he’d be opting out of a contract (and I’m pretty sure in that situation you can’t offer arbitration). If I’m correct with that, I doubt Riccardi will be able to net a package as good as Fields + Poreda. Hell, I don’t think he’d even be able to get back as good a package as Beane got for Harden. If my above assertions are correct - which they may or may not be - then perhaps the Sox could get Burnett for Poreda and spare parts.

by CWSKeith on Jul 25, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would Beckham be the shortest 3b in baseball ?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2008 2:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He'd at least have the worst hair.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Jul 25, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that's a given.

Unless he decides to take up pitching and has to compare to Bronson Arroyo’s cornrows he’ll always have the worst hair at whatever position he plays.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

joe crede just kind of fucked this entire thread.

not going to be able to do anything interesting now that fields has become a lot more indispensable, at least until early next month.

by larry on Jul 25, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well, if Uribe starts seeing time at SS...

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Jul 25, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't you heard? The Sox are going to get LaRoche for OCab...

Put LaRoche at 3B, move Alexei to SS trade Fields and Poreda and Floyd for Roberts and move Masset into the rotation (he’s a natural starter) and move Beckham to 3B and trade Uribe for Pablo Ozuna and….wait, I’ve lost my train of thought….

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 25, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah. where's AEG to recap this shit?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Jul 25, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A chance to rest Crede while they still have Fields for another week?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then uribe plays the rest. ew.

i suppose it depends upon what comes back but i don’t trust crede for the rest of the season – do you? if he goes down (remember, he chose not to have the more extensive surgery that might have prevented recurrences such as this), will we be happy? if we’re talking this cabrera for roberts pie in sky deal, the sox will have created a hole where one previously wasn’t.

by larry on Jul 25, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, sure did...

Fucking Crede.

But if you are a big Josh Fields fan, you should be happy because there is no way Kenny can trade him now. This could also bode well for next season and beyond.

After seeing the garbage the Yankees gave up for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte, it still should be possible for Kenny to acquire some relief help without giving up Fields.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2008 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who the hell is a big Josh Fields fan?

he is what he is.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 26, 2008 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

take it easy dennis

josh is ok! more than ok!

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by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: After seeing the garbage the Yankees gave up for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte

seems like an equal value trade, no?

The Yankees are sending RHP Dan McCutchen, RHP Jeff Karstens, OF Jose Tabata and RHP Ross Ohlendorf to Pittsburgh for Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte. LHP Phil Coke and RHP George Kontos are not in the deal.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/breaking-yankee.html


and,

[Nady] is a 29 year old journeyman corner outfielder with a .793 lifetime OPS and no arm. That sort of makes him a below average player, doesn’t it?
Tango

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by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BA

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2008/266579.html

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by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just "a bump in the road" says joe cool

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1075631,CST-SPT-soxnt26.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How long is Adrian Beltre signed through?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Too much

Too much trade talk surrounding this club. I believe they only need to get a lefty reliever (Damaso Marte or Brian Fuentes) ... I think if they start messing around too much they are going to out think themselves and fall out of first quickly.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 25, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marte

The Yanks traded for Marte today.

by the wolf on Jul 26, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need someone to play 1B too

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by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know i speculated about it recently due to his extended bad play,

but with how poorly joe crede has played the last couple months couldn’t the sox be upgrading pretty significantly if josh fields plays comparably to how he did in the bigs last season? for as bad as crede’s been, couldn’t this dl trip be a blessing in disguise?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 26, 2008 1:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's definitely possible...

Crede’s defense has been so bad this year that Fields may not be a massive downgrade. It will definitely be worse but not as bad as it would have been in the past. And I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fields outhit the way Joe was hitting lately. Fields strikes out a lot but Crede pops out a lot so it doesn’t really matter either. Fields went 1 for 3 with a BB and a K so hopefully he can keep producing and not hit like he did at AAA this season.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2008 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crede's errors

haven’t been significant enough to overcome his rangey awesomeness. He’s been a net positive there according to the metrics so far.

But that’s…that’s bad.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 26, 2008 4:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and just because i can cherry pick to make shit look worse

ewwwwwww

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 26, 2008 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and as long as we're looking at the stats from all angles, consider his season without the back-to-back twins games in which he hit 2 homers.

he has made some nice plays at third, but he’s botched some pretty routine plays too. with the way crede has been playing for the last 2 months, which i’m assuming was injury induced, i don’t think it’s unlikely that fields provides enough of an offensive upgrade over that stretch to offset whatever defensive deficit he causes.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 26, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, i do

unless Josh goes on a tear where he hits about .270, he just isn’t enough of a walk machine to offset that. very few players have the pop and patience to hit .250 at a corner spot and still be average or slightly better.

i’m calling a .250/.320/.470 line from Josh if he were to play from now until September

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 26, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"the insurance policy went up a little bit."
Fields heard he was mentioned in trade rumors, but with Crede’s injury, he noted, "the insurance policy went up a little bit."
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-080725-joe-crede-josh-fields-chicago-white-sox,1,728516.story


LOL!

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by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cowley thinks that the Sox could still make a trade for a starter...

Joe Cowley wrote:

Williams is said to be willing to part with a package that would include Fields and right-hander Gavin Floyd for a big-name starter.

His reasoning is…

While it would seem any chance of trading Fields would be small now, not so fast: Crede got a cortisone shot Thursday for his back inflammation and seemed convinced his latest problem is largely a bump in the road.
If Crede, whose DL stay is retroactive to July 22, keeps improving over the next five days, Williams could still move Fields for the right price and have Juan Uribe fill in at third base until Crede returns.

Trading Floyd would definitely be selling high, although Kenny seems to love him. It’s funny that Cowley suggests Uribe start at 3B until Crede is healthy if the Sox trade Fields since he hates Uribe so much and wrongly expected him to be released / traded by now.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If anyone thinks a lot of Floyd right now and wants to give us an established starter

that would be terrific. Gavin isn’t terrible, but he’s not going to be better than a 3 at his peak and it won’t be a sustained peak. Too many variables that he doesn’t seem to have control over.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 26, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kenny

joe cool twits

Ken Williams just met with the media and said the climate on the trade market has turned really bad from a Sox perspective …
... Translation: Help might not be on the way.


translation: it’s doesn’t look liked just “a bump in the road”

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by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2008 5:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dammit...

this sucks. The Sox need some pitching help. Hopefully, it is just Kenny saying the opposite of what is truly happening to prevent the media from scooping his moves before they happen.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this could actually be a good thing

it’ll force Kenny to be creative and that kind of thinking could lead to a better trade in the long run. if all you’re after is the same thing everyone else is, it means your deal has to compete with everyone else.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 26, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Realistically...

no one but Fields should be off limits at this point. I don’t believe that guys like Poreda and Broadway can’t net someone who could help the Sox right now after seeing the garbage that the Yankees gave up for Nady and Marte.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Fields should be available in a trade

Given Fields’ performance this season, I think Uribe could provide the same value at 3B over the next 2 months. Of course, that means I’m essentially agreeing with Joe Cowley which I think is a bad sign…

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 27, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

merkin

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080726&content_id=3201107&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

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by The Wizard on Jul 26, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think Kenny should sell the farm this year...

The Sox are usually competing for the division every year but have only made the playoffs most recently in 2000 and 2005. That really isn’t very often. And how often are both the Indians and the Tigers going to suck in the same season and the no payroll Twins are going to be the only competition? Kenny should trade any prospects he can to acquire some pitching to step on the throats of the Twinkies once and for all.

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 8:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kenny should trade any prospects he can to acquire some pitching

who would that be?

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by The Wizard on Jul 27, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, I meant to ask who the acquisition will be?

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by The Wizard on Jul 27, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's Kenny's job to answer...

I’m sure he knows which pitchers are available.

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eric Chavez could be done as a third baseman; may move to first base...
Eric Chavez called the labrum in his throwing shoulder “shredded” on Saturday after a poor throwing session.
Chavez may be done as a third baseman in this league. “My career is definitely at a crossroads,” he said. Chavez might be hinting at a possible move to first base, as he said he’s refocused his attention on becoming a productive offensive player once again. “The way I feel about my arm, I know the end result already,” he said.

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

Beane probably wants Josh Fields in any trade for Justin Duchscherer and/or Huston Street which is why Kenny is saying this…

Kenny Williams said:

“Obviously, the Yankees were able to get something done to help them, that seemingly helps them, and there have been some other deals. From our vantage point, I’m really not seeing anything that makes any sense. As a matter of fact, the things that are in front of us right now would do nothing but harm us for the present and the future.

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 10:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Link:

If the A’s move another player before Thursday’s trade deadline, it’s reasonable to think they will try to acquire a major-league ready, or close-to-ready, third baseman.

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Kenny's comments on WSCR 670 this morning...

it sounds like Crede didn’t really have to go to the D.L. The Sox wanted to make sure that he would be healthy for the late season run. The Sox just wanted to rest Crede, just like Contreras.

Maybe Fields is still on the block?

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it sounds like Crede didn’t really have to go to the D.L.

and you believe that?

they did put him on the DL to make a fashion statement?

or was it in order to showcase fields? wouldn’t be a bit late for that?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 27, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably a bit late..

Plus if he was being showcased I’m sure Fields would be starting against Miner today.

by Craig Grebeck on Jul 27, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crede has probably been playing through back pains all season...

He stupidly elected not to have surgery in the off-season. He may be playing through these same back issues for the rest of his (possibly short) career.

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he means he elected not to have the major surgery but the minor procedure

ps. no personal opinion here

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by The Wizard on Jul 27, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he had major surgery. there were just different varieties of it.

we can hypothesize about how invasive/radical it should have been. however, whichever one he had, he was going to have trouble with his back the rest of his career. this stuff generally doesn’t get fixed, it gets patched.

by larry on Jul 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, major, minor, extensive, whatever
remember, he chose not to have the more extensive surgery that might have prevented recurrences such as this

by larry on Jul 25, 2008 3:53 PM CDT

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 27, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"might"

i’m pissing into the wind. i don’t have his medical records. the more extensive of a procedure, the more risk of a procedure. tried to get the balance right. looks like they missed it.

by larry on Jul 27, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Mark Kotsay an option?

He can play CF a hell of a lot better than Wise and won’t cost much.

by Craig Grebeck on Jul 27, 2008 11:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kotsay is not really a good hitter these days...

and he would probably get injured again a week after the Sox acquire him.

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I beg to differ

His slash stats against righties are quite solid.

by Craig Grebeck on Jul 27, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you are going to acquire Kotsay to back up CF...

when the Sox already have Wise and Anderson on the roster? Another outfielder is the last thing the Sox need. They need pitching.

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For how often Kotsay would play over Swisher in CF...

it probably wouldn’t be worth it. Adding a pitcher would help the team more.

Larry: "god, you’re fucking stupid."

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saying move Swisher to first and Kotsay to CF

And on the topic of this “pitcher”—who and what would we give up? There’s no one on the market who could help us the slightest bit.

Please don’t tell me Duchscherer. Puke.

by Craig Grebeck on Jul 27, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how woud we deal with Konerko?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 27, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he ain't

at least to my knowledge

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 27, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would rather add Kotsay over Duchscherer?

And you also think that Kotsay would help the Sox win more games than Duchscherer? Seriously?

Larry: "god, you’re fucking stupid."

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think giving up a C+ prospect for a player who would upgrade a position is better than...

giving up whatever’s left in our system for a middle reliever in the midst of a career year.

by Craig Grebeck on Jul 27, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would sooner stick with Konerko in the lineup over Kotsay...

and hope than Konerko turns it around. Besides being injured all the time, Kotsay’s current .336 OBP is the highest he has put up since 2004. Kotsay used to be a high OBP guy with a little pop from 2000 through 2004 but now he puts up Pods-esque offensive lines.

Larry: "god, you’re fucking stupid."

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't want either of them.

resign warren newson at least then we’d have a fucking pinch hitter

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The White Sox, who hold a 3½-game lead over the Twins and a 7½-game edge over the Tigers in the AL West, don’t seem inclined to make a major deal before the non-waiver trading deadline on Thursday. That became clear this past week when they reached down to their farm system for Triple-A Charlotte left-hander Clayton Richard when they needed to replace injured right-hander Jose Contreras in the rotation. Contreras, who has a strained elbow, is eligible to come off the disabled list on Wednesday.

Except for possibly adding an extra reliever, the White Sox plan to stick with what is already on the roster. “I’m not having the variety of conversations I have had in the past,” White Sox GM Ken Williams told the Chicago Tribune. “Every idea you can come up with, you have to take something away.”

The White Sox don’t have a lot of top prospects to trade, especially after Josh Fields was called up from Charlotte when third baseman Joe Crede went on the disabled list Friday with back problems. Double-A Birmingham left-hander Aaron Poreda is the White Sox’s top bargaining chip, but Williams doesn’t seem willing to cash him in for a player who might only be in Chicago for two months. “I’ve learned some hard lessons in the past, and those lessons are just throwing additional talent, as much talent against the wall as you could possibly throw, doesn’t always work because it doesn’t always fit,” Williams said. “I don’t think there’s anything major that’s out there to be had. I don’t think that there’s anything more than a healthy Jose Contreras can provide us.”

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7863

by larry on Jul 27, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This was to be expected...

ESPN’s Buster Olney wrote:

Now that Scott Linebrink has landed on the disabled list, the White Sox are quietly taking the temperature of the reliever market, in case they have a fit and find the need to add a right-handed reliever.

Earlier in the month, when there were health concerns about Bobby Jenks, the White Sox had checked in on the availability of Huston Street. But Jenks has been throwing well in recent days, racking up three saves in the past four days.

Larry: "god, you’re fucking stupid."

by SSH2005 on Jul 27, 2008 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rotoworld Trade Predictions

AJ Burnett


To White Sox for RHP Jack Egbert and 1B Brandon Allen

Prediction: Goes to White Sox

by shaftr on Jul 28, 2008 12:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

only if there was some guarantee that he wouldn't opt out

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

If that is all it takes to acquire Burnett, Kenny would have made the deal already… whether he is going to opt out of his contract or not.

Larry: "god, you’re fucking stupid."

by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is the sort of deal the sox should be exploring.

not the let’s pick up a 7th inning set up man so the fans can’t accuse me of doing nothing or let’s go get a 5th starter. clear upgrades that can’t be found within the organization already. this is a guy for whom you at least entertain trading fields and poreda, if not pull the trigger, depending upon the structure and player(s) involved.

by larry on Jul 28, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is he gone during this season or after it ends?

Have any of his moves worked out well? He’s either been the stupidest or unluckiest GM in recent memory, if you look at a per-dollar return.

shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he'll go before the end of the season or shortly thereafter.

he’s been both stupid and unlucky. probably in roughly equal measures.

by larry on Jul 28, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is one of the worst GMs of all time

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks KW

Been reading this site for a month. Waited to join until you provided me a proper sig. And you deliver as expected. Good to know you are a talented little leaguer and fantasy player. I see you being a player/coach type.

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life

by Hawk is God on Jul 29, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not a Burnett fan

but if that is all it takes I will pick him up at the airport and treat him to some of the finest dances he has ever had at the strip club

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

while you may be a fine dancer

maybe Burnett would like dances from women. Unless you are Mango, in which case, he will not be able to resist you…

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Jul 28, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very nice visual.

K-Wo, your son has no chance. You and SSH should just hire the family therapist right now.

shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the new Ligues... in stereo.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Jul 28, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

I am not trailer trash like the ligues. I have a good job as does my wife, live in a nice suburb and have season tickets. Like none of you guys ever went to the nudie bar before. Please.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

you like to give players lapdances instead of attacking them like a rabid dog

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 28, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

K Williams

Kenny Wiliams generally makes good trades- getting rid of Mike Sirtoka, Freddy Garcia, Brandon McCarthy. Getting Danks + Floyd (which look like a steal right now), a fatass Bartolo Colon for absolutely nothing in 03, getting matt thorton for a failed joe borchard, bobby jenks via waivers, etc.- he’s done some good.

Some terrible ones- Billy Koch, not getting enough for Carlos Lee. Nick Swisher (he was ice cold until lately- Gio Gonzalez is going to be a stud #2 next year and De Los Santos after he comes back has the stuff to be a #1). And he shoulda gotten rid of Contreas when the bidding was high.

The one constant is that our farm system is always thin, and we either just miss making the playoffs or make the playoffs and lose in the 1st round every couple years (except in ‘05). I’m more or less worried that hes gonna pull a deal to get some over 30 rent a bat/arm for what little prospects or young guys we have.

by Steve0 on Jul 28, 2008 1:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Steve), out of the joint already?

shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should read "Steve0"

shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was bidding for Contreras ever high?

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 28, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Swisher trade was terrible huh?

That Lee deal and freeing up cash didnt work out too well either.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 28, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that trade and it's ramifications are all too often misunderstood.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The most aggressive team right now? The Chicago White Sox, who seem frustrated by the lack of movement and are focused on adding relief help right now. The least aggressive is the Twins, who drew this shocker from an AL exec: “They could blow up the market by tossing one of their good young starters on the market, but they lost their cojones when Delmon Young had a bad first half.”

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7871

by larry on Jul 28, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good news to hear...

A starter would be nicer but I will take a reliever with Linebrink out for possibly more than two weeks.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the sox should get that guy who had a 1.174 whip in 23 innings last year after he was called up in july.

or the one who posted the 1.246 whip in 2005 after his callup. or just stick with the guy who has the 1.029.

you’re just as likely to get 2007 mike macdougal as 2006 mike macdougal in a trade. or, to put it another way, the guy who the sox trade is probably just as likely to put up the same numbers as the guy they trade for.

by larry on Jul 28, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

There’s no point in trading for a non-elite reliever. I hope the Sox don’t ship out Egbert or Fields for David Weathers.

Burnett or Duchsehresrerer would be worth a gamble—I have hard time believing the Burnett is truly off the market.

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 28, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to Peter Gammons...

A.J. Burnett is off the trade market.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Couple losses to TB could change that.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 28, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

61 down…

by larry on Jul 28, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go suck an egg.

I was wrong about the busters….. Meanwhile I am dominating my cash fantasy leagues. woo hoo.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 28, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When is bally going to give up the ghost,

or is his face still caving in the closer TB gets to 90?

shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricciardi: Burnett "is not going anywhere."

Link:

Asked before the game whether the Blue Jays would deal Burnett by Thursday’s trade deadline, general manager J.P. Ricciardi emphatically replied that the right-hander “is not going anywhere.”

“I don’t want to say never, but someone would really have to blow our socks off now,” Ricciardi said. “Why would we trade him? We’ve worked too hard to get to this point to break up our team in August.

“If we have a good series here we’re right back in this thing. Now we just have to go out and do it.”

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 29, 2008 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds to me like someone's clearly about to be traded

rampant denial, dude has a good start, all the pieces are coming together.

It’s a conspiracy, dammit!

read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life

by rhythm on Jul 29, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right back in this thing?

I guess that’s just a guy trying to bring in fans, but come on.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox eyeing Will Ohman and Brian Fuentes...

Link:

The Braves have had conversations with several teams, including the Marlins, Red Sox, Rays, Tigers and White Sox, regarding reliever Will Ohman. But the Braves aren’t highly motivated to move the 30-year-old Ohman, who is making $1.6 million this season. He is also having the best season of his career, and is viewed as a late-inning left-handed option for the club in 2009.
The Rockies have arguably the most sought-after reliever on the market in veteran Brian Fuentes, with the Cardinals, Mets, Phillies, Rays, Red Sox, White Sox and Yankees among the teams eyeing the lefty.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 29, 2008 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

how about Zaun?

Gregg Zaun said Tuesday that it would “probably be a good thing” for the Blue Jays to trade him.

Zaun added that he’s previously requested a trade with general manager J.P. Ricciardi, who proceeded to tell reporters Tuesday that no teams are interested in Zaun. “We’ll gladly move him if we can find someone who wants him and that’s where we’re at,” Ricciardi said. “Right now, there’s been no takers for him, there’s been no inquiries about him.” It seems unlikely that no one would take a veteran, switch-hitting catcher who’s hitting .243/.349/.370 this season and .251/.344/.387 for his career, and Ricciardi saying something has never really made it more likely to be true.
Source: Toronto Star

by shaftr on Jul 30, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

huh?

How about what?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zaun on burgers:
...The patty’s got to be good sized, a good thickness. You go too thick, it becomes like a back yard burger, more like a ball of meat. So, a couple of half pound patties, Thousand Islands dressing, lettuce, tomato, onion. I don’t like sesame seed buns, so just a regular old bun, but the buns got to bee the right size for the patty. Medium, I mean a little bit of pink in there but not to the point where’s it’s soft.

Property of: PAUL KONERKO Track and Field Academy & Steakhouse

by thecip on Jul 30, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do people think we need a catcher?

We need pitching (rotation or bullpen help) and possibly a CF’er if you are on the “Bench Konerko” bandwagon. We don’t need a backup catcher.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

We already have Hall and AJ, both more than serviceable for 2008, even if they can’t throw guys out. There are only so many Russel Martin’s to go around, we can’t really upgrade at this position. Obviously it’d be nice to make a move for a catcher who could help us going forward, apparently Texas has some guys to move, but Greg Zaun sure doesn’t solve that problem.

Have the rangers given up on Saltamacchia?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way anyone watching Generation Kill?

Good IMO, scary from a leadership position and actually quite funny. Screwdriver and tasy freezes!

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

disregard.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha motherfuckin' ha
The Rangers have also asked about two other pitchers: the Twins’ Boof Bonser and the White Sox’s Nick Masset, a former Rangers prospect, according to a source.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/794075.html

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 2:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For who?

I’ll give them masset for Saltamachia and McCarthy.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.. I’d give him away for free too but I figure we might as well take some guys off their hands, keep their payroll down. I figure we are helping them out.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do the Rangers want Masset gift-wrapped?

I’m sure the Sox could use another rosin bag or two.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think they would give up Jamey Wright for him?

LOL.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is nelson cruz under rangers control?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 30, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Sox still shopping Cabrera for a pitcher...

Jayson Stark wrote:

The White Sox haven’t been able to muster much interest in their prospects in their quest for either a starting pitcher or a reliever who might have the ability to start. So clubs they’ve talked to say they’ve made Orlando Cabrera available for the right arm. But the three teams looking for immediate shortstop upgrades are the Cardinals, Twins and Orioles—and Cabrera wouldn’t be a fit for any of them.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 2:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand how 3 teams

in need of immediate SS help won’t be a fit for Cabrera???

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My question is...

how anyone thinks that two months of Orlando Cabrera is worth a starting pitcher.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

draft picks

depends on starting pitcher as well.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

livan hernandez is a starting pitcher.

or a pitcher who starts baseball games.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, apparently someone thought trading cabrera plus cash (and likely a draft pick, to boot) for jon garland was a fair trade and they have similar contracts.

i know your undying hatred of all things orlando cabrera but it doesn’t take a great deal of imagination to figure out what kind of pitcher he would return.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Basically, a pitcher worse than Garland...

since we are already over halfway through the baseball season and the pitcher would also be a free agent after the season is over.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Sox...

already have pitchers worse than Garland.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wha?

the logic here is becoming quite odd. or else they’re just non sequitors.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I mean is...

that the guys the Sox can get for Cabrera (see your Kyle Lohse example below) aren’t upgrades.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUT

and this is a big BUT, Joe Cowley will be able to write his “The clubhouse is now a more cohesive unit since the Sox rid themselves of that clubhouse cancer, Cabrera.” artice.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps.

that may depend upon one’s view of gentlemen like jose contreras, javy vazquez and gavin floyd going forward. and whether arms will stay attached to said pitchers. debatable and largely unknowable point for us. lohse is eminently average. the first guy to try to be that for the sox has failed. and i’m not as sure as i once was that the guys lined up behind him won’t replicate.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in theory, or in a vacuum.

that pitcher would be called “kyle loshe”. or thereabouts.

if penny had come off the DL in time to actually pitch (effectively) before the deadline, i wonder if that wouldn’t have been the deal.

at any rate, none of these are particularly enticing. especially when one considers who would be taking over at second again.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uribe would probably move back to starting at SS and Ramirez would stay at 2B...

and the Sox would also call up Getz as the backup utility infielder on the bench to take over Uribe’s role. That’s at least what I think Kenny has in mind if he is able to trade Cabrera for a pitcher.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh for the love of Pablo!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And then if Uribe continued to suck at the plate...

then Ozzie would look at moving Ramirez to SS and starting Getz at 2B.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getz ManCrush???

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all...

but I would not be surprised if Getz could outproduce Uribe at the plate and at least match Cabrera’s offense as well.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wondering, why do you think this?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i realize you've been gone for awhile and hate orlando cabrera and all.

but i think it would be pretty difficult for getz to match cabrera’s offense.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A .676 OPS?

C’mon…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Getz couldn't match that...

I don’t think the Sox would have a huge amount of trouble finding someone who could.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

odd how cabrera is at 11.4 value over a

replacement player then, huh. just wave your magic wand and find a middle infielder.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talking strictly about...

replacing Cabrera’s batting line.

I make no comment about defense whatsoever.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks, jer.

what’s the definition of VORP again? what’s the definition of offense again? stay with the discussion.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

If you are comparing Cabrera (DHing) to Getz (DHing with his Minor League Stats) then you have a comparison.

But, both would play defense and Getz has 9 errors at 2B for CHAROLOTTE.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you talking in circles?

“i realize you’ve been gone for awhile and hate orlando cabrera and all.
but i think it would be pretty difficult for getz to match cabrera’s offense.

You never mentioned Cabrera’s defense either. We are talking about offense here.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i didn't either.

read your signature. VORP doesn’t include defense.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read this...

.266 / .324 / .352 / .676

Cabrera’s bat sucks.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

unlike you, i actually read people’s posts. if you want to talk batting line, say that. you want to talk offense, say that. i certainly don’t believe getz can match cabrera’s offense. and i think it’s a big stretch to say he can match his batting line. as i’ve said before, there are some rather odd things going on with his stats down there in charlotte w/r/t home/away splits and line drive rates, etc.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well well well

Larry…I agree with you! First of all Cabrera is pretty decent. He drives in a lot of runs when you need them driven in. Second of all, you can’t just dismiss defense. This isn’t MVP Baseball for PS2….Third- I don’t understand all of the love for this Chris Getz guy. To call him up and expect him to play in a pennant race is foolish.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 30, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

VORP...

is a misleading stat in this example – it’s a counting stat. Cabrera has racked up VORP simply by batting at the top of the lineup every day.

Cabrera’s not a good hitter, and his offensive production would not be missed. The ONLY consideration would be how much of a downgrade on defense Getz/Ramirez would be over Cabrera/Ramirez.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roger that.

Sorry I misread your post at first.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense is the issue...

indeed.

Like I said at the beginning of this discussion, I don’t see a scenario that starts with Cabrera being traded away and ends with the Sox being a significantly better team.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am amazed

that everyone think’s Chris Getz is going to be an above average player. I see a Mike Fontenot type, with a chance of being a little better but most likely not.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being as good as Uribe and/or Cabrera...

is not the same as being above-average.

Not even close to the same.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Danny Richar Example

AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
Minors .305 98 400 61 122 25 8 13 61 202 37 71 8 5 .365 .505 .870
MLB .230 56 187 30 43 9 3 6 15 76 16 33 1 3 .289 .406 .696

So, he has rocked in the minors and was Uribe in the majors. What makes Getz any better???

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getz isn't necessarily any better than Richar.

Getz, Cabrera, Uribe, Richar, all below-average hitters. Mix-and-match, it won’t make any difference.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Getz is similar or a little bit better than Mike Fontenot...

his offense would blow away Cabrera’s.

Mike Fontenot’s 2008 line: .283 / .380 / .530 / .910
Mike Fontenot’s career line: .279 / .357 / .453 / .810

A better comparison would probably be Ryan Theriot and in that case he would be better as well.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot

is 28-years old and has had 400 at bats. he is not an everyday player. Plug him in at 2B everyday and see what happens.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fontenot is actually playing a lot these days...

but a better example would be Theriot as a comparison for Getz. And Theriot’s offense blows Cabrera’s away as well.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh brother

You are comparing Theriot to Getz???

How are you coming up with THIS??? Based on his minor league stats? He has never seen a MLB pitch!!!!!!!!

AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who else would you compare Getz to then?

David Eckstein?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Miles.

Who sucks.

I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, and yet Miles has a better line than Cabrera this season...

.319 / .357 / .403 / .760

This love for Cabrera’s offense is hilarious.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...

the fact is that they both suck at the plate. Cabrera is probably a little less sucky.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OPS+ previous four seasons:

72, 65, 74, 76.

Cabrera’s at a career low by far this year with a 79. But if you don’t understand small sample sizes, or defensive and baserunning values, then there’s not much point in carrying on.

I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Jul 30, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure

I compared him to a Mike Fontenot type and that might be a stretch. I haven’t seen him hit ML pitching, so I have no idea.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't?
I am amazed
that everyone think’s Chris Getz is going to be an above average player. I see a Mike Fontenot type, with a chance of being a little better but most likely not.

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:13 PM CDT

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, let's see...

Uribe: .231 / .290 / .378 / .668
Cabrera: .266 / .324 / .352 / .676

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

....you would rather see Cabrera gone, with Getz at 2B and Ramirez at SS?

This helps get us to the playoffs, how again?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If a pitcher is obtained for Cabrera...

Chances of the playoffs are much better with a pitcher than Cabrera.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not too insult you,

but, have you read your tag line lately?

We are going to get what pitcher for Cabrera? It was disgussed above that we would get a pitcher of worse quality than is currenty on the roster…how the fuck does that help our playoff chances?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

step one: trade starting SS, call up chris getz, acquire livan hernandez-esque pitcher.
step two: ???
step three: playoffs!

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to know what

step two is!

I’d also like to get my damn camaro back!

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually agree with this.

If Contreras/Floyd/Vazquez are toast, bringing in a Hernandez/Lohse type pitcher ain’t going to do much of anything.

I think we’re stuck with the team as it is.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don Pardo

Tell the man what he’s won.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is why, at the risk of annoying people with repetition

the sox should consider only trades that are clear upgrades. if KW wants to acquire arthur rhodes or something to placate the fanbase, fine. but otherwise…

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because I said all of that?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

you said all of that.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where?

I said to trade for a Livan Hernandez type pitcher? Please show me.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right here.

If a Livan Hernandez-esque pitcher is obtained for Cabrera…
Chances of the playoffs are much better with a pitcher than Cabrera.

“god, you’re fucking stupid.”
—Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:24 PM CDT

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here you go
Basically, a pitcher worse than Garland… since we are already over halfway through the baseball season and the pitcher would also be a free agent after the season is over.

So, AGAIN, trading Cabrera for something like this is going to make us have a better chance to make the playoffs?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are splicing comments together...

like some sort of pathetic tabloid writer. I never directly stated that I would try trading for a Livan Hernandez type pitcher. Nice try though.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you get an opinion...

get back to me.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't trade

Cabrera for a sucky pitcher.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we have prospects?

Who are they and where is Kenny hiding them?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

kenny keeps them in an undisclosed location

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 30, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

guantanamo bay?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

noone know

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 30, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The White Sox haven’t been able to muster much interest in their prospects"

When people keep saying, “who is Kenny going to give up for so-and-so” keep in mind that it’s pretty much his fault that the Sox have no talent to trade. Projectable losers like Lance Broadway and Kyle McCullough aren’t worth much. You would think with the way Kenny trades prospects, that he would actually want to take a risk and draft high-upside players.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which could also have been Kenny's fault...

since Wilder was Kenny’s “boy”, maybe he didn’t keep good enough tabs on him as he should have.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

but it seems like it’s a widespread problem through out MLB as more comes out, and sometimes it isn’t easy to know someone is corrupt. It sounded like Wilder was pretty respected around the business as someone who would be moving up. The White Sox weren’t the only one’s who thought highly of the guy.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The farm system will be somewhat

replenished in a couple of years if we keep Cabrera for the season are get high draft picks when he leaves as a FA, same with Thome and possibly Crede depending on health issues and how that plays out.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps.

of course, i wonder if there is any system out there who has done as good a job drafting overall, with an ownership that won’t pay out like the red sox or yankees etc. sure, the first round putzes are out there (and some value was achieved for some of these clowns, as well). but chris young, gio, carter, cunningham, mccarthy, etc. are not a bad haul for later rounds/high upside picks. KW has just traded everything he had. i’m not sure there are many systems out there who could take the sort of strip-mining KW has engaged in. i wouldn’t point the finger at the draft. the finger should be pointed at the lack of latin american presence. and we don’t need to get into wilder to point fingers on that one. problem was there long before.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankees acquire Pudge from Tigers

Didn’t see who they acquired, but I can’t imagine it’s too much

by Off the bus running on Jul 30, 2008 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this the beginning

of the white flag part 2?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who else could they sell?

Sheffield? I wouldn’t think there’s any market for Renteria. Todd Jones doesn’t have any real value. Rodney and Zumaya are part of their future.

by Off the bus running on Jul 30, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For Farnsworth

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheffield, Renteria, Pudge, starters besides V-lander

Jones….they could sell a lot.

Surprised they made the trade…isn’t he a FA at the end of the year? I would the draft pick(s) would be better than that bum farnsworth.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i called it.

i recall something about a broken clock…

should be interesting to see if this is just a one off (theoretically they have inge and the drop off won’t be too drastic) and they’ll just stay the course to see if they can remain competitive or if they sell until their fucking face falls off.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, I think this is actually a move to sell an impending free agent and also compete this year...

I-Roid was gone after the season and the Tigers needed bullpen help anyways. I’m guessing that the Tigers also get recently DFA’ed LaTroy Hawkins from the Yankees as well.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i sold until my fucking face fell off today. it wasn't pretty.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 30, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you might've beat ssh to the punch lol

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Jul 30, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn'

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Jul 30, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Billy Beane....?

Doesn’t he usually try adding a player every year at the deadline who will be a type A or B free agent, thus increasing his draft picks for the following year?

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Jul 30, 2008 4:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Juan Uribe a Type A free Agent..?

damn it…..

I am going to ask you one time, and i'm gonna ask you nice. Where the fuck is Ringo bitch.

by ElDiablo on Jul 30, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhm no

but possibly a Type 1 Diabetic, if that is any consolation. Do we get compensated for that?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean type 2 yo

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 30, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Getz translated line:

.273/.336/.428

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 5:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Which makes a .265 EqA

OC’s weighted mean: .252 EqA.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better than Cabrera.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yah.

i was just trying to point out that there’s some, shall we say, disagreement over these sorts of things. i don’t know which to buy so i’m not going to stake myself to any. my eyes told me to not expect too much when i saw him (away from fort mill). and delving into the numbers makes me a bit quizzical. paint me highly skeptical of a .273/.336/.428 major league line.

by larry on Jul 30, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty sure the DTs take park factor into account

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunn

SI.com’s Jon Heyman reports that the Diamondbacks have offered Chad Tracy to the Reds for Adam Dunn.
It’s not a completely unfair offer, but it doesn’t make any sense for a Reds team with Joey Votto at first and Edwin Encarnacion at third. The Reds would probably rather have Micah Owings. At least he could play left field, in theory.
Source: SI.com

by shaftr on Jul 30, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame that Konerko has been so godawful this season...

Since the Diamondbacks are looking for a 1B, Konerko for Tracy would have been interesting. Dump salary and get a cheaper 1B / 3B.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

10/5 rights...

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i'm pretty sure the dbacks are looking for an OF

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weren't they interested in Teixeira?

I guess Teixeira can play some LF but if they traded Tracy for Konerko, they could have moved Conor Jackson to the outfield.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw this posted at SoxTalk...
Buster Olney was just on espn and said the White Sox are talking to Oakland about Street and dangling Cabrera out there and the Dodgers need a SS. I don’t understand getting rid of Cabrera if you’re not going to get a starter. Richar and Getz don’t do it for me for the stretch run.

The post is from around 9:00 P.M. so it is apparently a new rumor. I’m assuming that the deal would be for Huston Street and Mark Ellis…

Dodgers get:
SS Orlando Cabrera

A’s get:
LHP Aaron Poreda + more Sox prospect(s)?
Dodgers prospects

White Sox get:
RHP Huston Street
2B Mark Ellis

Ramirez moves to SS, Ellis starts at 2B, and Street sets up for Jenks. Would be an amazing deal if Kenny could get it done.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 11:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone with an OBP higher than Cabrera's .324...

CF Swisher (.348 OBP)
2B Ellis
LF Quentin
RF Dye
DH Thome
1B Konerko
C Pierzynski
SS Ramirez
3B Fields

Along with Huston Street setting up for Jenks in place of Linebrink. There are improvements to be made to this team even if Kenny can’t acquire a starter. If the Indians were able to get Jon Meloan and Carlos Santana for a couple months of Casey Blake, Kenny should be able to get a decent prospect or two for a couple months of Orlando Cabrera.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the guy who should have been leading off for a month's time now......

Alexei should be leading off, even with Cabrera in the lineup. Am I obtuse for thinking so?

He’s a high-average hitter, has great speed, can bunt… some pop to turn over the lineup. AND – if this deal would actually happen…. Ellis would bat second behind him and AJ can go back to GIPD with Dye on base in front of him.

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would feel a lot better about Ramirez leading off or batting second...

if he wasn’t so allergic to walks.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true, but...

...his on-base is still 10 points higher than our current leadoff hitter.

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Jul 31, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant...

...GIDP

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Jul 31, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be fine with me

but I don’t see it happening.

by shaftr on Jul 31, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have all heard about the Sox interest in Street before...

and I do remember seeing something about Kenny being interested in Mark Ellis but at the time it didn’t make any sense to me. But in this scenario, it would make a ton of sense for all three teams involved. Of course, 3-way deals aren’t very easy to get done because there is a third team that may be unhappy with their return and break the whole deal off. But such a deal would sure be interesting and would definitely improve the Sox so long as Ramirez can play a competent SS defensively.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis' away splits:

‘07: .293/.357/.450
‘08: .301/.383/.484

career: .275/.341/.410

BP weighted mean: .264/.332/.412

so basically a slightly to definitively better bat than OC, plus good second base defense…hopefully Alexei is as good, but switching mid-season makes me think he won’t be. and instead of A comp, we probably end up with B comp.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The comp would have to be B...

Otherwise, Beane wouldn’t want to trade him.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twins and Beltre

The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that the Mariners have asked for Nick Blackburn, Scott Baker, Kevin Slowey, Glen Perkins or Denard Span as part of a package for Adrian Beltre.
The Twins apparently won’t go that far for Beltre. It’s possible they’re focusing more on Brian Roberts at the moment, but he’s a long shot as well. They are shopping Boof Bonser and Craig Monroe, but they have to know they’re not going to reel in a big fish with that kind of bait. Perhaps Mark Grudzielanek is within reach.
Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

by shaftr on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Twins are too cheap to take on Beltre's contract...

because any other team in baseball that needed a 3B would give up a buster like Denard Span and a mediocre pitcher like Boof Bonser for Adrian Beltre. Span is a scrub who is pulling the typical playing out of his mind because he is a Twins call-up. He will come back down to earth eventually.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will be greatly depressed if...

KW dumps Cabrera. Why? No more fun signs at Sox Machine!!

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk203/mjcebay/tags/poetryclub.jpg

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Jul 31, 2008 12:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Street

According to a source outside the organization, Williams was talking to a handful of teams Wednesday afternoon in hopes of acquiring a back-end reliever in a three-way deal. Indications as of late Wednesday were that his target was Oakland Athletics right-hander Huston Street.

Street, the A’s closer, would move into the Sox’ setup role while veteran Scott Linebrink works his way back from the 15-day disabled list.

But one-on-one talks with the A’s apparently broke down over a lack of depth in the Sox’ farm system. No one knows that system like A’s GM Billy Beane, who traded Nick Swisher to the Sox in January for three prospects. That’s why Williams was trying to get at least one other team involved - and possibly a fourth - to try to meet Beane’s prospect demands for Street.

Unless there’s a change of heart this morning, Williams might walk away empty-handed for the stretch run.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1083551,CST-SPT-ssep31.article

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 31, 2008 12:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn...

I hope Kenny is able to get a deal done. I really don’t care about any Sox prospect but Fields. Of course, Fields may be the one guy that Beane would want and Kenny doesn’t want to give him up.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn’t find the timestamp on this post, but CBSSportsline.com says the Dodgers are not looking for a SS…

The Dodgers’ on-again, off-again search for a shortstop apparently is off again. Following Nomar Garciaparra’s knee strain, they were prepared to disable him and resume looking for a shortstop. But then, according to a source, when manager Joe Torre told Garciaparra the club was going to disable him, Nomar said he was feeling better. He took a round of batting practice Tuesday, the Dodgers think he can make it, and with Rafael Furcal now expected back before season’s end, Los Angeles apparently will not look to trade for a shortstop, after all.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10914094/2

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Jul 31, 2008 12:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy it...

Nomar is always injured and it’s not like he can even play SS these days anyways. Who are they going to stick at SS—Angel Berroa or Pablo Ozuna? Bullshit.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't either but....

I’ve read several articles/blog posts from Olney, etc that have said the Dodgers are tight on payroll and don’t want to take on a big(ger) contract, even if for only the remainder of this year. Think about the guys on that roster not playing….

Jason Schmidt: 15,500,000
Brad Penny: 8,500,000
Rafael Furcal: 13,000,000
and then of course some insane contracts:
Juan Pierre: 8,000,000
Rudolf Jones: 14,100,000
Nomar Garciaparra: 8,500,000
Jeff Kent: 7,000,000
Derek Lowe: 10,000,000
and they are on the hook for Loaiza’s 7,000,000 after they released him.

That is 91,600,000 in BAD contracts. I wonder if there is any truth to these baseball scribes hinting that the Dodgers are facing $$$ woes. Is that even possible for the Dodgers?

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Jul 31, 2008 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

disable him?

at least torre told him beforehand…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 31, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis' career second half performance:

.282/.352/.449

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 12:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Would be amazing if Kenny could get the two of them...

I do believe Beane likes Poreda and wanted to draft him but the Sox took him one pick earlier. Problem is that after Poreda the cupboard is bare since Kenny can’t afford to give up Fields with Crede’s back issues.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny working to acquire a reliever...

Mark Gonzales wrote:

Executives from two teams believed Williams was trying to land a reliever before Thursday’s 3 p.m. trading deadline.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 2:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fox Sports on MSN... Reds, ChiSox agree on Griffey trade, await approval

This makes absolutely no sense unless we are trading Konerko. Where would he play?

by circles on Jul 31, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he play off the bench

platoon with BA, swish at first, leaving paulie on the bench. that means wise goes.

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many tools does griffey have left?

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is actually hitting well in the past 30 games...

but he is virtually a DH these days.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Sox aren't acquiring Griffey to come off the bench...

Why would Griffey agree to waive his 10 and 5 rights to sit on the bench?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

to win the ring yo

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's heated up as the season has gone on.

The Cell is pretty helpful too, for his defense and bat.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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