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Missed It By That Much

Octavio Dotel hasn't exactly solved his career long problems with command and control.  He walked Placido Polanco, he of the career 5% BB/PA line. He gave up a big leadoff double to Maggs that was certainly not the product of Ordonez beating him on his pitch.  He uncorked a wild pitch that allowed Edgar Renteria advance from third and cut the lead to one.  We had to turn WU's TV off to make sure he made it to the next game thread. 

But.

But he racked up 3 K's in 1 1/3 IP and, ultimately, came away mostly unscathed.  It's not like he was the one who loaded the bases in the first place.  His fastball, like Bobby's and Easy Heat's, is elite and it allows him to make and then overcome mistakes.  And in case you weren't sure that striking out Placido Polanco to end the game with a fastball was an accomplishment, the Kalk Pf/x Tool confirms it.  Polanco has swung and missed on just 1.18% of fastballs in the database so far this year, which is something like 1/5 the major league average.  So while our bullpen is suddenly in turmoil (are we ever not worried about something?), in the very least know that there is pure stuff backing up the success of these pitchers so far. 

Meanwhile, the bats look very much alive.  The Sox made Verlander work from pitch one and he quickly found his pitches/inning skyrocketing.  He noted in his post-game interview on FSN that his command was off, particularly on the Q! bomb.  It certainly was, but part of that was Ozzie's doing.  As mentioned in the BUO, Verlander struggles throwing strikes to lefties and Ozzie made sure he had every single one in the lineup tonight. 

From the same interview, Verlander said the second half of the back-to-back job was a good pitch.  He got it inside off the plate, but JD got his hands in and made a vicious turn on Verlander's fastball to put the second straight White Sox batted ball in the seats.  This is a team that can hit mistakes, but the difference between Verlander's stuff in his previous effort against the White Sox and today's game was not great, nor were we squeaking out basehits.  This was a highly impressive effort.

John Danks had the same problem Verlander had today, leaving changeups and fastballs over the plate and getting relatively few groundballs.  I didn't see much of a cutter today, and I wonder if that wasn't part of the problem.  Danks is good, but his fastball isn't Dotelian; Johnny needs to hit his spots and have all of his pitches working to be optimally effective.  That said, the Tigers weren't exactly lacking in the lineup today.  No Mike Hessman, Clete Thomas or Ramon Santiago today.  Just a number of very good major league hitters.  It was a little disappointing, but hardly alarming.

Tomorrow, it's Javy Dent against Zach Miner.  Depending on how Ozzie feels about the distance between the Sox and Twins, we may well see a bit of a Sunday lineup tomorrow.  Either way, I'd feel okay about it.  The bench has proven its worth this year and without Pablo, there aren't any huge gaps in performance at this point.  Uribe or Josh Fields at third?  From what Josh has shown so far, the difference at the plate may well be negligible.  That's overly pessimistic, but he hasn't had a great AB yet.  At least his D didn't show up on the Obviously Crappy side of the ledger. 

Oh.  Happy Jenksgiving!

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Nice to see you're earning your keep, colintj

oh yeah, and nice recap as well. Dotelian, hehehe.

read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life

by rhythm on Jul 26, 2008 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

This is what the site needs, and that was a nice recap

Thanks Colin.

Jenks looks to be healthy, and although his FB isn’t as dominating as it was a couple of years ago,it’s still plenty good to get hitters out. When he has good command of his breaking stuff he’s a very good (if not quite elite) closer, which is plenty good the vast majority of the time. It’s good having him back.

Q and Dye continue to provide the offense. Sox have a very nice 3-4-5 working now. Swisher obviously should be moved up to 2nd.

I like what Wise brings as a LH bat off the bench, hopefully Ozzie knows that his value is maximized in a platoon role with BA when Swish goes to 1st (which hopefully is more often with Kong mired in his season long funk).

I’m about ready to tell PK to get ready for next year at this point. Let him play everyday for a couple more weeks, if he’s got nothing by then then it’s time to play BA and Wise most days.

by madvillian on Jul 26, 2008 10:30 PM CDT reply actions  

That was a great game...

and that violent homerun swing by Quentin was awesome. I wonder if Ozzie throws the starting lineup out there tomorrow to try to put away the Tigers for good?

Kenny still needs to add another pitcher by the deadline though.

by SSH2005 on Jul 26, 2008 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

it isn't really clear what the starting lineup should be at this point

Konerko and Crede are in various states of disrepair.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 26, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

A non-Sunday lineup would feature:

AJ at C
Swisher somewhere
And not both of Fields and Uribe playing
And not both of Anderson and Wise playing

But I’d be fine with Hall catching actually. And playing Anderson (especially) or Wise in CF might be a good move with Vazquez pitching.

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 26, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh

i definitely loved Q’s bomb. it was huge and he made an absolutely ginormous swing on it. he got exactly what he was looking for and fucking pounced.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 26, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good job, Colin.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Jul 26, 2008 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Gotta watch the replay of the Dye homer on Gameday.

As Dye gets to 2nd, the camera gets Verlander saying “FUCK, ......WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?”

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Jul 26, 2008 11:57 PM CDT reply actions  

he made a good pitch

Dye often gets critiqued for looking bad on off-spead stuff, well, he turned on a 95MPH fastball on the inside part of the plate on that HR.

Dye continues to amaze me, I figured he was pretty much washed up after 1st half 2007. Since then he has been outstanding.

by madvillian on Jul 27, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

farther inside according to Verlander

it was a hell of a piece of hitting.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 27, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both Danks tonight

and Floyd last night showed me true grit. Both battled like mad dogs. They battled thru errors and unearned runs. And we came away with 2 1 run victories. If they gave any less, we lost both games.

Seems they got the right stuff.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Jul 27, 2008 12:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Detroit is awesome, offensively.

Pre tonight, over the previous 14 days they were .306 / .381 / .508 / .889.

Over the same 14 days, The soon to be playing Twins are
.271 / .323 / .408 / .732.

I think we’ll be ready for the Twins.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Jul 27, 2008 12:13 AM CDT reply actions  

The Tigers are killing the ball right now, that's for sure.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 27, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

One last point and then beddie bye.

Q! ran the bases after his home in half the time it took Sheffield.

He plays the game the way it was meant to be played.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Jul 27, 2008 12:17 AM CDT reply actions  

with a bat and a glove?

read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life

by rhythm on Jul 27, 2008 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gave them up years ago.

Just my blankie.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Jul 27, 2008 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

My Sunday lineup...

RF Wise
SS Cabrera
LF Quentin
DH Thome
1B PK
2B Alexei
3B Fields
CF Anderson
C Hall

I’m really fine with giving Dye and Swish a day off…..I want today like everyone else but we’ve already accomplished what we needed in Detroit by winning the series, and actually some would have said we just needed to avoid getting swept.

On the flip side, Ozzie might want to take advantage of what is a favorable pitching matchup and pound these guys into submission.

Before the series the Tigers were really trending upward and a big weekend for them clearly would have catapulted them into the same sentence as the Sox and Twins.

A sweep would be a a major “statement” and set them at 8.5 back.

We’ll see what Ozzie does in a few hours.

Happy Sunday.

by stanchar on Jul 27, 2008 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Good job, kiddo. Keep it up.

shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.

by winningugly on Jul 27, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Linebrink's MRI negative, but still goes to DL: Reliever may need 15-plus days on DL
Scott Linebrink was relieved to learn Saturday that he hasn’t suffered any damage to his rotator cuff or labrum.

But Linebrink isn’t sure if he will be ready to come off the 15-day disabled list as soon as he’s eligible.

“We want to give it the time it needs [to heal],” Linebrink said after being placed on the DL retroactive to July 23 because of inflammation of the posterior of his right shoulder. “But at the same time, I want to get back as quickly as we can too. I’d rather it be happening now than September.”

An MRI revealed no abnormalities in Linebrink’s shoulder. But Linebrink said he started to feel some discomfort after pitching on consecutive days against Oakland on July 5-6 and then throwing 28 pitches in Kansas City on July 8.

“The doctor told me this was consistent with this kind of spot—a heavy workload in a short amount of time,” Linebrink said. “… It’s important we listen to the warning signs and that way it doesn’t turn into something bigger.”

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-080726-scott-linebrink-dl-white-sox,1,5818918.story

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 27, 2008 1:16 PM CDT reply actions  

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