The Fall of Paul Konerko
November 30, 2005: Paul Konerko signs with the Chicago White Sox (Age 29)
- 5 years / $60 Million
He was coming off a 136 OPS+ season along with his World Series Game 2 heroics.
Age 30: 134 OPS+
Age 31: 116 OPS+
Age 32: 78 OPS+
Is there a contemporary player we can compare Konerko to?
December 15, 2004: Richie Sexson signs with the Seattle Mariners (Age 29)
- 4 years / $50 million
He was coming off an injury-shortened 126 OPS+ campaign, but the year prior put up a 140 OPS+.
Age 30: 144 OPS+
Age 31: 117 OPS+
Age 32: 84 OPS+
Age 33: 88 OPS+ (Released)
So, is this another example of old player skills? Bill James defines the old player skill set as: power, walks, low average, lack of speed. Konerko definitely fits the bill on three of those, but low average is a little trickier. His BA has ranged from as low as .234 and as high as .313. He's a lifetime .277 hitter. Sexson appears to fit the old player skills more so than Konerko since his lifetime BA is .261 and there isn't as much variance in his range of season long BAs.
I've looked at Sexson's and Konerko's Pitch Data and nothing really stands out to me. Konerko's Contact % is down this season, but everything else looks in line. (Note, someone else might see something I missed).
The one wild card to all of this is consistency. I alluded to this above in regards to Batting Average. In Sexson's career (before his drop-off), he was consistently above 120 OPS+. With Konerko, we've gone thru this before with his 03 season. Much like this season, he was dismal with a .234/.305/.399 line. He rebounded with 4 good seasons.
So, will Konerko rebound and fulfill his last 2 years of his contract with 120 OPS+ seasons (and perhaps even rebound in time this year), or will he suffer a similar fate as Sexson?
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huh, so contributing author isn't just a honorary title?
i wish i had a 5-spot for every time i’ve seen that patented konerko pop-up-and-sulk move. it’s about the only thing he does consistently. i know colin disagrees, but it appears to me that konerko is completely lost at the plate and not showing any signs of coming out of it. it amazes me that someone who has experienced the success that konerko has can look as bad for as long as he has. i don’t want to say that konerko is done for, but nearly four months into the season this is very disconcerting. one can’t help but imagine what our sox might be like if we got a career average year out of paulie.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 27, 2008 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
shaftr extens his middle finger to larry!
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 28, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
time zone defeated me
I wanted this to publish at Midnight central.
by shaftr on Jul 27, 2008 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that shit is oft confusing
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post you POS.
keep it up and you might actually be worthy of your title.
I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez
by omnipotent grab on Jul 27, 2008 11:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are defenses playing Paulie any differently than they used to?
His BABIP is on a downward swing, which could just be bad luck, but if defenses have made adjustments based on spray charts, it might result in more balls that get put in play being made into outs.
If you look at the graph below, you’ll notice that his ‘03 slump was during the period of lowest BABIP in his career. Unless something has changed systematically, like a defensive shift against him, it could just be a slump, so I’m not sure I believe that he’s done. But man, is it depressing every time he comes up with 2 outs and men on base.

Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Jul 28, 2008 12:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PK has been unlucky it seems
Based on his 20.6% line drive percentage, his BABIP should be around .320, yet it is 80 points lower as your graph shows at .240.
by 3E8 on Jul 28, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in certain cases, i wonder if LD% isn't somewhat misleading
we don’t know exactly what the Stats Inc or whomever guys are counting as a line drive or why. knowing exactly what LD% is good for predicting is not obvious anyway.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was wondering the same thing. it seems odd that we see examples of such divergence between ld% and babip.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There has to be some variation/error in batted-ball data
due to scorer opinion. And expected BABIP isn’t nearly as precise as expected W-L, but if you were to take the % difference between BABIP and expected BABIP for all players, the average of that sample would be close to 0. For expected BABIP to be over 30% higher than actual BABIP is rare with a half a seasons AB sample size (maybe 1-2% of all players.) We just happen to have two players that fall into that category, PK and Swisher.
by 3E8 on Jul 28, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what the standard deviation of BABIP/xBABIP variance is so I can't say this definitively
but I imagine that a difference as large as Konerko’s isn’t due purely to randomness.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Jul 28, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
Of over 160 qualified players, Konerko’s difference is 2nd highest. Swisher is 5th.
by 3E8 on Jul 28, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how'd you find that?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
source: Fangraphs
I clicked on ‘LEADERS’ > ‘BATTED BALL’ > ‘Export to Excel’. Expected BABIP is simply BABIP + .120 so I made a new column to give me that. Then to find error in expected BABIP calculation, I made another column which was ((xBABIP – BABIP)/(BABIP)). Sort that column in descending order and viola
by 3E8 on Jul 28, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
niiiiice
so what are you concluding exactly about PK?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on previous correlations between LD% and BABIP,
I would expect PK to have more hits considering the amount of his ABs which have resulted in a line drive
by 3E8 on Jul 28, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I just did some quick analysis with that data
the mean difference between xBABIP and BABIP is -0.0115 (I chose to use absolute error rather than error), and the standard deviation of these differences is 0.0336. Paul Konerko’s BABIP-xBABIP is -0.0860. Assuming that the underlying population distribution is normally distributed, the z-statistic for this difference is -2.22. If xBABIP is actually a decent measure of what BABIP should be (an assumption people are free to challenge) then the difference between Konerko’s BABIP and xBABIP is something we’d expect to see less than 2.5 of the time. So it could be random, but there’s a significant chance that it’s not.
For reference, Swish has the same z-stat, but since he’s so much younger, I find it easier to believe that he’s just absurdly unlucky.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Jul 28, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn, less than 2.5% of the time.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Jul 28, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are fucking nerds.
i don’t need all of that bullshit to tell you he sucks
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
lets go sit on the hoods of our camaros and blast poison with our cool cut off jean jackets on while yelling at the nerds to get a life
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Jul 28, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was told there would be no math!
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Jul 28, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep. i'm outta here!
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who dis?
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is done. Even if he isn't the team is better off with out him.
More speed, better defensively with Anderson/Wise in center and Swisher at first. NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA HEY HEY HEY PAULIE GOOD BYEEEEEE. I only wish the sox had the balls to Sexson that piece of crap.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 1:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
think they could get anything shopping him around the next few days?
i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry
by furby2056 on Jul 28, 2008 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.
Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 28, 2008 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I'm far from Konerko's biggest fan, but dude..."piece of crap"?
That’s the kind insightful stuff I expect to find at soxtalk - where poor pitching is routinely diagnosed as a lack of balls - rather than here.
It makes more sense if you are a sock, but you should still be more entertaining than that.
Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.
Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 28, 2008 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
how to explain Paulie’s troubles. Some of the ideas presented above make sense; it may be that his injury this year has troubled him more than we know and that he’s now pressing to catch up for lost time. Regardless, he’s not contributing much at all and is letting the team down in key situations. I doubt the Sox have what it takes to trade for Texeira. What about calling up Eldred to see what he can do? He can’t be any worse than what we’re getting out of PK at the moment. If Eldred sucks, nothing’s really lost.
by VAChisox on Jul 28, 2008 8:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
we bring eldred up
we have to send somebody down (and it probably won’t be pk), i don’t think that’s going to happen.
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 28, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why bring up Eldred? If we’re going to bench PK it’s to start the platoon of BA / Wise in CF and have Swisher play 1B.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Eldred can play a legit first base, we'd probably be better off with Swisher in CF
that’s a big if. but i honestly don’t mind the suggestion. i don’t think there is a lot of downside there. the shine is likely to come off the BA/Wise platoon soon enough anyway.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bring eldred up
and send wise down. does wise have options? i know this is all very unlikely…
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 28, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
wasn’t thinking about the bigger picture here ;-)
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 28, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting comp to Sexton
but we could just as easily compare to Thome (and many lumped the 2 together at the beginning of the season). Both are 1st basemen, both walk, have power, little speed, and middling averages. Or Carlos Delgado could also be lumped in. Both Thome and Delgado have shaked their early-season funk in a big way. Why not Paulie? Thoughts:
1. Injury has hurt more than he lets on.
2. Is he more prone to disappoint himself (read: sulk) than the other 2? I think I saw Thome hang his head once or twice when he was not hitting but would be more likely to glare at the ump if he was rung up. I wonder if he gets pissed and Paulie gets depressed.
3. The “C” and WS hero things maybe help PK put pressure on himself, where Thome/Delgado don’t have that issue.
Who knows? Either way, he’s killing us, and he knows it. It’s in his head. Might be a good thing to give him a few days, not just one game, to figure it out and relax. Maybe read “Who Moved My Cheese?”. But we’re a better club with Swish at first right now.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that does have something to do with it
When he came up in the 8th yesterday, did anyone here have faith in him? If we are feeling that, I’m sure some of that is occuring in his head as well.
If that’s the case, then he might be guessing more often which is resulting in these awful ABs.
by shaftr on Jul 28, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there really any doubt that it's in large part in his head?
we’ve seen this from pk before and much has been made of how hard he is on himself. his production has been too bad for ozzie to keep him in if he was hurt, so it seems it has to be more between the ears than anything else.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No faith in Paulie...
Every time he comes up in a key or clutch situation (late & close and/or RISP), I keep hoping for the best and thinking a hit will turn him around. It’s sad that I always wind up cursing the TV or radio. (I haven’t been to the cell since June 30). He is always behind and winds up making a bad swing to strike out or pop out. Wise/Anderson in center and Swish at first is a much better option.
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on Jul 28, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see the comparison
with Delgado. This guy was trash last year and the start of this year and he turned it around. With Thome, i had confidence he would have a good year. it was annoying when he was brutal too, but you knew thome may turn it around. When Konerko starts going bad he can be terrible for complete seasons. The guy was benched for Brian Daubach for god sake
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2003 wasnt completely bad
Konerko was about career avg in the 2nd half of ‘03. The first half was epic poor, but he turned it around in July that year.
Even in the pits of early ‘03 though, he wasn’t whiffing anywhere near what he’s doing now.
I do think he might have a little left in the tank, but the evidence of that is getting harder to find.
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by Nordhagen on Jul 28, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't compare him to Thome
Thome has been an elite hitter his whole career, PK has been a very good one at times.
by madvillian on Jul 28, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Thome made a fundamental change in his approach which has helped him break out of the slump.
He backed off the plate a bit and has been hitting to the opposite field way more often.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Jul 28, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
he made a correction to forego his big swing at certain times, particularly against lefties and it’s helped him a ton. he’s gone oppo more than i’ve ever seen him.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. the comps to thome are more physical than statistical.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LIAR!
Yes, Thome is an HOF’er because of his hitting, and PK is not as talented. However, Thomer is also 5-6 years older, and many (not you, MM) lumped the 2 of them together this spring because of Mendoza-line AVG, < HR, increased K’s, lower BB’s. Thomer has come alive (as many of us, including me, thought he might). PK has not. And back to the original premise – he might be hurt, and he might be blue.
Mrs. PK needs to start putting out a bit more, I believe. Or less. Whatever motivates him. Or one of his kids needs to say that he/she is being laughed at in school because of Dad’s performance. Walker sure isn’t going to help.
PS Google “Paul Konerko”. This site comes up 2nd. Good job, shaftr!
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess i meant the accurate comps are more physical than statistical.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just messing with you, lasagna breath
Thome is truly a marvel:
Age OPS+
30 170
31 197 (?!)
32 154
33 144
34 85 (injured)
35 155
36 150
When healthy, he’s a metronome.
(My first attempt at a chart. FAIL. Can’t get spaces between the columns. Sigh.)
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, DH or not
To me, a hitter that good for that long is a sure thing HOFer. The game has changed, why should guys be penalized for taking advantage of the rules to maximize their career?
Thome could probably still be playing 1st base, but no doubt with more injuries along the way.
by madvillian on Jul 28, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i know. but there are some people who seem to find them very similar. ravioli wrestler.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i noticed...
...is that he’s lost the strike zone. I used to love the way he reached down for low strikes and rip the ball. More likely these days he lets those go for strikes. And he’s clueless on the inside pitches now, too. His approach looks tentative, not aggressive. What started out as mechanical errors has spiraled into a mental torpor.
by RoyEgan on Jul 28, 2008 8:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paulie's failings
I have not seen or heard anyone mention Paul’s health he seems to be a little less robust than usual, has he lost weight? He seemed bigger last season in his upper body but I have heard no mention of this from anyone.
Every so often Paul shortens his swing and hits it to rightfield for a hit but not often enough. Even when he gets a pitch that he used to cream he now has warning track power.
We surely could use the “old Paul” rather than the old Paul.
by floridajim on Jul 28, 2008 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you implicating steroids or HGH? I also have noticed a difference in his body shape
he’s still slow as fuck though.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does seem to be losing strength (or, to be more positive, gaining weakness) --
Looking at his stats page over at THT (http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/player/index.php?lastName=konerko), what stands out to me is the steady annual decline in his HR / Flyball ratio since 2004 – from 18.6% in 2004 to 10.1% this year. Interestingly (sorta), his line drive % is actually up this year from last.
On the other hand, his SB% has improved 100% since last year.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 28, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his triples rate too is way up
he’s also had the kind of injuries that would certainly curtail his workouts. That should contribute to part of his HR/F drop this year.
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by Nordhagen on Jul 28, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that, too
He’s got a lower HR/FB and a higher Infield Fly Rate. He’s also hitting a lot less flies and a lot more grounders. Still, he has the lowest BABIP in the league. He probably isn’t THAT bad.
I took a look at it here:
http://www.lifeinthecell.com/?p=1225
I promise it was before I saw this post or I would have used this as more of a starting point. It’s pretty weird how close the titles are. Us Sox fans must have a psychic connection.
by TCaptain on Jul 28, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree he's been hitting in some bad luck this year,
and it’s likely that we’re not even having this conversation if he does something positive in the 8th yesterday.
He doesn’t really need to be among the best players on the team anymore - JD, Q, Swish and Thome can take care of that - he just can’t suck quite this badly. I suspect he will begin to manage that from this point on.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 28, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny too
because I think that the posts showed up at around the same time since my server went down
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Jul 28, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twins' Carlos Gomez might be back Tuesday...
Asked Sunday when he’ll be ready to return to the lineup, Carlos Gomez (back) said, “Maybe Tuesday.”
Gomez was taken off the field on a stretcher after crashing into the outfield wall while making a tremendous catch Friday. Denard Span will start in center field until he returns.Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune
Larry: "god, you’re fucking stupid."
by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that isn't exactly an upgrade for them
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against the Sox, Gomez is.
Larry: "god, you’re fucking stupid."
by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he gets on base
SB for sure, but him and his .282 OBP don’t necessarily guarntee that
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Jul 28, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys don't get...
the brilliance that is Paul Konerko.
By consistently popping up or grounding into a double play in key at-bats, by playing piss-poor defense, Konerko is merely showing the awesome leadership that we’ve all come to expect from him. He’s just taking the pressure off the younger players by playing like crap himself and taking on all the criticism.
And now back to collecting spare bits of bronze to work on my life-size Konerko statue.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
have you seen the JRE greatest mediocre fan favorite white sox players ever statute garden yet?
i’m giving personal tours on 8/6 at the top of each hour.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make sure you don't miss
the Craig Grebeck statue. He’s small – it’s easy to miss.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No change since your last anti-Kong posts a few months ago, eh?
You are consistent. Like a broken clock.
;) (Still, glad you are back so larry isn’t as bored.)
PS I own Grebeck.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, like a broken clock...
I’m right once in a while.
Not often, mind you…
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way...
I went to Wrigley Field for the first time since I was a little kid yesterday. Not an experience I’m likely to repeat any time soon.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should have worn your chastity belt if you didn't want that to happen. otherwise, they think you're asking for it.
just ice it, take an ibuprofen, and put a pillow on the seat before sitting down.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I spent a lot of time...
weeping in the shower.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hear that's a good way to avoid infection.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm crying over here. too funny!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 28, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spoken from direct experience, or did you Google it?
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
direct observational experience.
those “fans” can be just brutal when they get into a frenzy.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that Konerko is done for good.
though at the present moment he is fairly screwed up. If Ozzie decides to bench him at some point I have no problem with that but Konerko is not really Sexson. Some of this man hate for Paulie is really kind of laughable. For a brief moment he actually looked as if he had turned it around before his injury and DL stay. Since then he has been awful. I wonder if he has a little Dye in him, that of he needs to 100% healthy or the fall off is too great.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Jul 28, 2008 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been preacing the "give him till middle of August"
To show something, that is, start hitting with some power, taking walks, seeing plenty of pitches - and so far none of that has happened. He has two more weeks IMO to show he can be a positive factor this year - if he can’t—then the BA to CF and Swisher to 1st (with Wise getting the odd start against RHP) seems like a smart move.
I really think he is just having a down year and coupled with bad luck and injuries he’s completely fallen off. I expect him to have an OPS around 820-850 next year.
God I hope he’s not Richie Sexson.
by madvillian on Jul 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eldred's regular translation:
.225 .289 .526
i think i take back what i said.
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by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure i buy that translation. injury problems the last couple years limited his production. makes him look worse than he is.
he’s not a great solution, mind you, but i don’t see the harm in bringing him up to catch some lightning. he’s the classic age 27 masher for that. and eminently disposable if the bottle remains empty.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a crazy split
Man, if he could just raise that average 20 points he’d be a very useful player. .
300 iso, wow.
by madvillian on Jul 28, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the translation is the minor league BP translation
which i’m pretty sure only translates the stat line itself, it doesn’t take past production into account.
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by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he's far more mike hessman than he might be jack cust
that walk rate is pretty mediocre. but if he can catch a hot streak, he could certainly do some damage in the bottom part of our order.
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by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given all of
PK’s problems, I’m probably more considered about the disturbing rise in the team ERA over the last month than the lack of productivity from PK. The team can overcome PK with the Wise/BA platoon or by moving PK down in the order (and thanks Colin for pointing out the likelihood that Eldred is no real solution). But it’s a lot harder to overcome blown holds and starting pitching that is showing more signs of missing the strike zone. I’m also worried about whether Linebrink and Thornton can come back to their early season performance, which I believe was a key to early season success.
by VAChisox on Jul 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's a pretty good bat to pick up
Outfielder, left handed hitter. Came up last year and didn’t do that great, sent down , out of options for the Rangers and is killing the PCL this year. He is completely blocked in the Ranger system from moving up. Nelson Cruz.
http://www.newbergreport.com/article.asp?articleid=1061
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 28, 2008 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nelson Cruz is a guy I wanted to see the Sox claim for the bench...
when the Rangers DFA’ed him before the season started. Check out his numbers with the Rangers’ AAA team this year…
Nelson Cruz (AAA stats):
345 AB
.348 AVG
.443 OBP
.733 SLG
1.176 OPS
37 HR
93 RBI
56 BB
84 SO
24 SB
7 CS
Someone has to give this guy a shot. I wonder if he can play 1B?
Larry: "god, you’re fucking stupid."
by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thirty-seven homers?
Dios Mio. The PCL is crazy.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
.348 is the weaksauce....no wonder nobody wants him
konerko is still the greatest!
i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry
by furby2056 on Jul 28, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz's entire minor league line is nice too...
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/Nelson-Cruz-1.shtml
.297 / .371 / .538 / .909
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by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very tasty translated line
.282 .372 .588
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by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
450 or so major league at bats sort of indicates the rangers have given him a shot.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and that should take plenty of the shine off
but that makes him available. KW should be trying to find as many Jack Cust wannabes as he can find right now. we’re in a bit of a See What Sticks mode if we are in fact committed to replace Paulie.
do you think that’s a good idea?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a good idea for this season
And KW is a master of these sort of moves. Long term I’m not sure how to dump PK, he has a full NTC and ti’s not like some team wants to pick up the remaining salary. Only move I could see happening is with a Cali team.
Kong might wave his NTC to go back to Cali, and one of the Dodgers, Giants and Angels might be willing to take him on if the Sox agree to pickup some salary.
by madvillian on Jul 28, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't impressed when i've seen him play.
i’m not sure he’s exactly in a cust scenario because he got plenty of regular playing time the last couple of years in a very hitter friendly park. seems like it’s a decent guess that there’s a rather large and exploitable hole in his swing.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant to committing to finding a PK replacement
how much time should Paulie get to right his wrongs? a couple weeks of hitting 7th or what?
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by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno.
unless he totally collapses i’m not sure i’m too worried about it. don’t hit him fifth or something but if he stays relatively close to the numbers he has now i’m not sure doing the switch actually improves much of anything overall, including defense.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
however, i would note, that if i had my druthers, i'd be inclined to put fields at first and keep swisher in center.
of course, we’ll see if fields hits enough over the next couple weeks to justify something like that.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not me
I like Swish at 1B and BA in CF because of (at last perceived) better D. Not convinced Fields can handle a 1B glove (or any other glove) yet and his hitting (I think of Swish Nicholson/Dave Kingman) doesn’t make up for it. I also think Swish is less likely to get hurt at 1B as opposed to his running into walls in CF. I figure he’s almost as indespensable as AJ at this point in the season.
Never thought I’d advocate BA in the starting lineup, but what the hey. That lineup sure looked OK when PK was shelved earlier relatively recently. (Small sample size be damned.)
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if miguel cabrera can catch the ball, i think fields can, too.
this is all dependent upon fields doing roughly what he did last year offensively.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For whatever reason
He seems to have learned that walks are good this last year. I think that’s the biggest difference since his demotion. Regardless of the PCL inflation, leading the league or being in the top 5 warrants something. The Rangers are also looking to unload one of their catchers. The White Sox are apparently one of the teams that has not expressed any interest.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Jul 29, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh
although I don’t know what the Sox would trade for a catcher, nor do I know what level said catchers are at, I would think that the Sox would be an organization looking to upgrade their minor league catching situation.
Unfortunately, there is nothing I can do about it.
read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life
by rhythm on Jul 29, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to use this URL
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 28, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might be old news, but Liriano will not be pitching in this series
by madvillian on Jul 28, 2008 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
is it really the salary issue
that’s preventing liriano from coming up? if so, the twins are stupid.
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 28, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the right move bill, look at livan's W's
how can they be so stupid? can they do it to keep some clock (fa/arb don’t know) from ticking, so when they trade him they have more time to offer to other teams?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 28, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time of year when things get interesting
I’m feeling this series w/ the Twinkies. Sending good SoCal vibes to PK to wake up.
by RoyEgan on Jul 28, 2008 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT - a buddy of mine who's a Tiggers fan sent me this just now:
I was thinking about you during this series. Did you see what you did to our closer after Friday – went on crying and lost his closer position. Thought there was “no crying in baseball”.
BWAHAHAHA! Jones ist TOT! So we’ve (almost) ended the closing careers of both Borowski and Jones this year.
BWAHAHAHA! I love it.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
They were both bad at there jobs so no biggie.
I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez
by omnipotent grab on Jul 28, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matchup: White Sox (59-44) at Twins (57-47), 7:10 p.m. CT
Probable Starters: Mark Buehrle (139 IP, 4.21 RA, 1.27 WHIP, 81 K) vs. Kevin Slowey (87 2/3, 4.41, 1.14, 64)
Pythagorean Record: Chicago, 60-43 (520 RS, 437 RA); Minnesota, 54-50 (510 RS, 487 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Chicago, #4; Minnesota, #16
Prospectus: While one Windy City team battles for its division lead in Milwaukee over the next four days, the other will do the same in Minnesota in what is another critical series. The Twins are 2½ games behind the White Sox, so winning three of four would pull them to within a half-game of their rival. However, Minnesota has lost five in a row to Chicago, as it was swept out of U.S. Cellular Field in four straight games at the beginning of June. Since then the Twins have gone 26-14, just a half-game behind the Tigers and Yankees for the best record over that stretch.
Unfortunately for the Twins, they might have to play their biggest series of the year without center fielder Carlos Gomez, because he suffered a frightening injury on Friday night when he crashed into the wall and had to be put into a neck brace and carted off the field. The injury turned out not to be too serious, but it is unclear when Gomez will return to action. Gomez hurt himself following a spectacular running grab, the type of remarkable play he has made all season. While the Twins will not miss the rookie’s bat—Gomez has been the worst offensive center fielder in the American League, with a -6.1 VORP—being without his leather is a significant loss. Gomez leads all major league center fielders in both Range Factor, at 3.34, and Zone Rating, .939. He has also thrown out six runners, second in the AL to B.J. Upton’s nine, and turned three double plays, more than any other center fielder. He has, in short, been a defensive maestro. Minnesota replaced Gomez over the weekend with Denard Span, who is outstanding himself in the outfield—his 3.02 Range Factor in right this season leads all fielders with at least 50 innings at the position. Span’s transfer from right to center, however, leaves Jason Kubel to play in the corner, and major knee injuries have led to limited range afield for him. The Twins could also put Craig Monroe out there against lefties, but he has played just two games in right this season and is a below-average defender. Minnesota has not been a good defense team this season—its 68.5 percent defensive efficiency ranks them ahead of only Texas in the American League—so it can be argued that getting Gomez’s circus act back in center is critical to the team even despite his unproductive bat.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's 6 runs below replacement
is that made up with his glove? Sounds like a BA situation.
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by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buehrle is as close to a "stopper" as we have
Career 10-5 in the Dome, 4.02 ERA, lots of hits (120 vs. 105.1 IP). Hope we put a decent IF defensive lineup behind him tonight.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like
the pitching match ups this week; Buerhle tonight; we get to Livan H. on Wednesday and Danks-Baker should be a good game. I like the Sox’ chances to split, even take three. Even if the Sox do, those nobs on Baseball Today podcasts will still struggle to find anything good to say about the White Sox.
by VAChisox on Jul 28, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nob = combination between a knob and a noob?
I love the term “knob”.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 28, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect, then, you will utilize it in a recap
of some future bizzare thread.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come on, VAC
At least a couple of the goofs have picked the Sox to finish 1st in the Central. Just like 2006. (Remember the Peter Gammons 5/2006 quote “If you put a gun to my head I’d have to say the White Sox represent the AL in the World Series”, and then suffered a brain aneuryism shortly thereafter? Good times.)
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you listened
to Karabell and Pasquerelli (sp?) lately? The only comments about the White Sox are PP saying how much he loves the Twins and Karabell claiming that the Tigers are still in it. On Friday they claimed the weekend series was a must for Detroit; Detroit loses 2 of three, not a word today about the series, other than the Tigers are still in it. Maybe they are, and sure the Sox have flaws (as we have all pointed out), but one listening to their podcasts would know very little about the CWS.
by VAChisox on Jul 28, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome quote!
I didn’t realize he had the “gun to the head” comment. Absolutely classic string of events!
read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life
by rhythm on Jul 28, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a good time for Alexi
to hit a few gappers and stretch singles into doubles.
Isn’t this the last year for the Rollerdome? Thank God (not Q, the other one).
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 28, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only.
The new park is supposed to open in 2010.
I’ll be so happy when that park is a memory.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it's open air, right?
Should be a real hoot in April and May.
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 28, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All parks should be open-air.
The Twins somehow survived in an open-air park for twenty years before the Metrodome opened.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you sat in Miami or St. Petersburg in August?
Or Arlington 2 weeks ago? Brutal. Rain isn’t the problem – HEAT is. People literally burst into flames or start shooting each other because of delirium. At least we do in FL.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arlington has an open-air park...
So does Miami.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, and they are brutal,
which is my point.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a city is too unbearable...
to play baseball outdoors, it doesn’t deserve a baseball team.
Indoor baseball is an abomination.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't watch the games this week
too late, but I’ll be dreaming of great victories for the sox. I have tried leaving twitter on for the late ones but instead of the score in the game you get woken up with a message saying ‘Cabrera is a knobhead’ or some such nonsense every time, so I’ll be turning the phone off.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 28, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Can't"? You are not a real fan, hoodie
Pretend the bombs are falling all about and Churchill has delivered a stirring quote, such as this: “If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack.”
Man up, man!
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes I get up in the middle of the night
and watch a couple of innings, but it plays hamlet with your body clock. I have to sleep, I can usually do one game late mid week, usually the Thursday one. As I go out on the piss anyway Thursday night, and Friday I finish at mid-day at work.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 28, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this Chumbawumba?
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry? please explain
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 28, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"On the piss" reminds me of the Chumbawumba song
“I Get Knocked Down” (come on, hoddie – “pissing the night away” introduced many of us Yanks to the colloquialisms of Australia).
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought chumbawumba were british
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 28, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pirates owners kill Jason Bay to Braves deal...
Before the start of Friday’s game, many of the Braves players were asking about Bay. Some were under the impression that they were going to walk into the clubhouse that day and find him to be their newest teammate.But a proposed deal, which would have brought Bay to Atlanta in exchange for four Minor Leaguers, was killed when presented to the Pirates owners for approval.
Still as the week progresses, the Braves will continue to pursue Bay, who is set to earn $7.5 million during the final year of his contract next year.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought CW was that the Braves were going to sellers
How does this fit in?
by madvillian on Jul 28, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone have any interest
in Manny? i dont know where hed play but i imagine a Paulie Poreda Broadway deal would interest Boston… what do you all think?
by Jbasic89 on Jul 28, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not at that price
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre obviously a fool
Manny is a legit hitter. Konerko isn’t. Prospects usually turn out to be of the scott ruffcorn/rodney bolton variety. i would do this in 1 second….but like larry said – boston wouldn’t
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you are obviously a knucklehead
See below.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one believes you.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do that deal like everyday on the hour.
but boston doesn’t.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed...
We get to dump Konerko’s remaining 2-years, $24 million, a crappy prospect in Lance Broadway, and one good prospect in Aaron Poreda for a Hall of Famer? Basically the trade is Poreda for Manny. Where can I sign up?
Winningugly is crazy.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i'd love to make a huge blockbuster trade...and with atlanta falling out of it
why can’t KW just give the braves a call and see what it would take to bring teixeira back…konerko, poreda, more top guys in the minors…that’d be a huge upgrade
i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry
by furby2056 on Jul 28, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There probably isn't a team in the MLB that would trade for Konerko right now.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 28, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 28, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves don't want Konerko's salary
actually none of the “sellers” want his salary. You would have to hope that a team in the picture needs some pop. i don’t think anyone would stoop as low as konerko.
Kenwo4life=ratings
by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 28, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a FOX
I was representing the Boston opinion.
So there. Who crazy now, Kimosabe?
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you still are
/butting my way into the conversation
It’s a big series here, WU, so we need you to be at your best. Come prepared with your best Syrah, Sangiovese, and Pinot Noir.
read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life
by rhythm on Jul 28, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's on. Dude.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaftr matches Colin's famousnessitude with one post
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Jul 28, 2008 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cool
I was just thinking
a) I enjoyed writing that, and I should write more.
b) I’m an idiot for not writing more.
c) I’m going to write more.
by shaftr on Jul 28, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you already married?
The “I’m an idiot” is good practice. If you are not married yet your pre-marital training is working.
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not until November
but I say it a lot at work as well.
by shaftr on Jul 28, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you married or happy? - Moe Howard (circa 1935)
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 28, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you made some shrewd hires Cheat
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...he says about himself.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Jul 28, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similar Batters
Compare Statshttp://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/sp.cgi?I=konerpa01:Paul+Konerko
1. Derrek Lee (925)
2. Danny Tartabull (920)
3. Richie Sexson (920)
4. Jermaine Dye (915)
5. Carlos Lee (913)
6. Hank Sauer (907)
7. Dolph Camilli (900)
8. Cecil Fielder (896)
9. Tony Clark (895)
10. Matt Stairs (895)
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 28, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oooh, Danny Tartabull!
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 28, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Played himself well in "Seinfeld".
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by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Keith Hernandez
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 28, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked at the similiar thru age 31 players
Some went on to have nice careers like Will Clark. Others flamed out quickly such as Tartabull.
by shaftr on Jul 28, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007: One year and another fine season later, the five-year, $60-million deal the White Sox signed Konerko to last winter looks more like an asset than a liability. That`s Gary Matthews Jr. money, after all, and Konerko can not only turn on a fastball with the best of them, he`s improved his positioning and throw-scooping abilities enough to make himself at least an average defensive first baseman. Still, the Tino Martinez comparison that PECOTA cites works on a number of levels, and it`s worth noting that Martinez`s production declined markedly as of his age-31 season.
by larry on Jul 28, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet BP
but I know nothing.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 28, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the BP yearly blurbs
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 28, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My review of The Dark Knight.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 28, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my favorite part of your review was that it was all-encompassing.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 28, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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