Doomed in the Dome
by The Cheat on Jul 29, 2008 11:24 PM CDT
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The numbers aren't pretty; 3-12 record, 2.53 runs scored/game, a collective .210/.269/.325 triple slash line entering Tuesday night's game.
The White Sox Suck in Domes
Things appeared a little different at the start of Tuesday's contest. The Sox productive outed their way to a run in the first after an Orlando Cabrera single and a balk, then added two more in the second when Josh Fields hit a double down the left field line for the Sox only hit on the night with Runners in Scoring Position. With the exception of a couple of solo-shots from Konerko's Kaddies (Anderson and Swisher), the Sox bats were largely silent for the rest of the evening.
Clayton Richard appeared to be making easy work of the Twins through the first 4 innings. In fact, he had me checking out the Pitch F/X data to see how he was doing it, because I was a bit unsure myself. He was getting by on almost exclusively fastballs, with only a smattering of changeups and a couple of show-me breaking balls.
That lack of a major league repertoire game back to bite him in the 5th inning, when the Sox luck ran out. It started with a bloop single that bounced out of a diving Brian Anderson's glove, and ended, 5 runs later, with a screaming, 2 out, bases loaded line drive from Justin Morneau. In between, Richard got ahead of most batters--acting as if 1-2 was a dangerous count--but gave up a couple of walks and had a hard hit 2-out grounder ricochet off his leg into foul territory for a hit.
A half-inning later, Alexei Ramirez hit a similar ground ball, but the ricochet off of Glen Perkins foot came to rest just in front of the pitcher's mound for an easy out. It became blindingly evident that it just wasn't the Sox night when Dennys Reyes deflected a Jim Thome shot through what appeared to be a vacated hole in Minnesota's shifted defense, but Brendan Harris was there to easily make the play well on the first base side of second.
Somehow, the balls always seem to bounce the wrong way on the turf. Blow up all the domes, I say. Blow 'em up tomorrow!
On Clayton Richard's Future
While I was unimpressed by Richard's overall performance Tuesday, there is certainly a lot to like about the 24 year-old southpaw. He induced a lot of weak contact with that sinker during his first two trips through the order, and, when needed, he showed the ability to dial up his fastball, while not sacrificing much control. His changeup looked like it had the ability to be an above average major league pitch, but, with the exception of 4 straight pitches to Delmon Young, he didn't have the ability to consistently throw it just out of the zone to get hitters to chase. His low 3/4 delivery, and the inability to throw anything but a sweeping breaking ball from that angle, however, may hold him back from becoming a true major league starter.
In other words, his next start at the bigs should be his last this year. And if the Sox are serious about contending for AL Central crown, and more, they should be looking for more than just a reliever on the trade market.
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Wow those team dome numbers are
PK like
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
by Hawk is God on Jul 30, 2008 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All this talk of Domes is making my penis soft.
I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez
by omnipotent grab on Jul 30, 2008 12:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
*impotent grab
fixed
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill have what hes having.
I tell myself, 'You are a superstar, don't worry about it. You'll be all right.' - Carlos Gomez
by omnipotent grab on Jul 30, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox are 1-12 in domes.
I assume there is something interesting to be said about this, but I don’t know what it is.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 30, 2008 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to win on the road, Dome teams (Twins, Devil Rays) are very good outside of the Blue Jays (but if Halladay, Burnett are pitching they can be), so it’s not that surprising.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In one sense I'm encouraged but in another sense I'm discouraged
On the one hand, he was able to roll through the (maybe not so pwerful) Twins lineup 2 times essentially throwing the same pitch over and over again all the while inducing ground out (9 ground outs vs 2 fly outs). If he can learn to mix in either his curve or slider (or both) so that batters aren’t there ready to just sit on the straight stuff, he could turn out to be an effective starter.
On the other hand, he threw a total of 4 breaking pitches all game after throwing 18 in his first start. Does that mean his breaking stuff just isn’t that good? Is his breaking stuff doomed to be below average? If he gets a third start, I only want him pitching if he’s ready to mix in curves and sliders.
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Jul 30, 2008 1:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why was Anderson pulled?
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on Jul 30, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question of the night, IMO...
Ozzie didn’t completely look like a fool since PK actually got a hit after his decision to pinch-hit Swisher for BA; even though BA had just hit a home run and PK now gets props for simply not hitting into DPs. And then Swish got the homer in the 2-spot in the 9th….so this did not entirely backfire on Ozzie after all.
But, yeah, who knows what spurred that decision? I would love to hear the opinion of anyone who sees the logic….
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 30, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pinch hit wasn't it?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just figured
ozzie wanted a lefty to face crain, although i too was a bit puzzled by the move at the time.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Jul 30, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seemed like a goofy double switch
I was wondering if Swish would replace Konerko at first and then Wise would wind up in center, batting in Konerko’s spot. I was also wondering if BA was hurt trying to make the diving catch. Very odd…
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on Jul 30, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me
Ozzie should have had BA bunt Cabrera to second and take chances on Q or JD bringing him to home to tie it. Swish did have a great at-bat, but it went for nought.
I second the motion to blow up all domes, including the retractable ones. Telecasts from domes always have a funny, muffled sound that I find grating.
by VAChisox on Jul 30, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA =/= Bunting skill
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I remember the squeeze in the unfinished Orioles game...
Not much skill there…
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on Jul 30, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you like to see Cheat?
“if the Sox are serious about contending for AL Central crown, and more, they should be looking for more than just a reliever on the trade market.”
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2008 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More importantly...
who gets replaced?
I don’t see an obvious upgrade candidate other than the obvious one, and the Sox are stuck with him.
I suppose the Sox could use a starting pitcher, but they don’t have the pieces for that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm prepared to just roll with the punches
I’d be fine with a move either way, to get help or to stand pat. I put my faith in KW making the right decision, and my gut says that he’s going to make a move, ‘cause he’s KW and that’s what he does.
by madvillian on Jul 30, 2008 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
same here
and along with Tdogg and JRE, I’m curious as to who we can feasibly get, starter or reliever. I think we have the pieces for a reliever, but not a starter.
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 30, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A buddy from Minny called me this morning
I usually don’t answer his calls because he is a brainwashed cub fan, but this morning I did because I thought he was calling to give me some helpful news on how to get my camaro back. It was lost in a bet last night (f*cking Konerko’s throw to 2B!!!).
Anyways, he said that a radio station up there this morning said they might have an Ozzie Guillen Bobblehead doll day because Ozzie says more nice things about the Twins, than he does the Sox.
I then proceeded to hang up on that douchebag.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, add the dipshit Harrelson to that list
I swear, if I hear one more slobbering comment about Carlos Gomez, I am going to puke up my Bennigan’s garlic mashed potatoes!
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on Jul 30, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those puked-up Bennigan's mashed potatoes are worth something now, you know.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 30, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not anymore
There are about 1,000 creditor’s in line at Bennigan’s right now wanting there money…doubt your puked up mashed taters would get your too far.
You need to get Chicago Tough!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Already selling them on ebay
Collectors items galore! Plenty of bullcrap “flair” soon to be available on the internet!
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on Jul 30, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't by any bennigans potato's on ebay.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by=buy
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor dome performance causality: Pigmentation
Look at the pigmentation of the Twins players (mostly)- white as snow. They love the indoors and, like vampires, eschew the sun. And they “kill” us indoors. Our team in key positions (SS, 2B, RF, LF) has an abondazza of those who worship the sun (or in olden times were forced to perform labor in the open air). Thus, our horrific performance in domes is because of performing in unnatural surroundings for many of our players. Morneau, Cuddyer, Mauer, et. al. can be had, but only in “natural” surroundings.
Sure, it’s a therory with some holes, but what else can be at play here? Nefarious forces. Need a stake through Minny’s heart tonight – the Undead must be stopped. I nominate colin – he’s expendable.
JRE is correct – tear down those Domes, or embrace the Caucasoids. It’s the only way.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2008 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we pick someone other than Colin?
I don’t want to be a hypothetical widower.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 30, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think you can be a widower. colin could be if something unfortunate happened to you, however.
"fortunately, i'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 30, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh geez,
I know that.
Concussion.
Again.
Hippo.
oy.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 30, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's ok. you were obviously distraught at even the insinuation that something might happen to your hypothetical husband.
"fortunately, i'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 30, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true. Overcome with hypothetical grief.
Can’t think straight.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 30, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i might be able to get a hypothetical monument if this keeps up
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me or
should JD have had that ball that went over his head?
Did he get a bad read? Lost in the lights?
Hawk kept saying, “There’s no way he could have gotten that one.” But it looks like he took a bad line on it, bad jump, whatever.
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 30, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, no, and no
None of our OF’s would’ve had that. Was a laser.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Rob Mackowiak?
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 30, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jungle Jim Landis would not've had that one
Ichiro maybe gets a glove on it but has the glove ripped from his hand.
Swisher – well, we know what happens to his glove on that play…
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was.
WU hitting the red early.
It WAS afternoon down there.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on Jul 30, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Cold medication. Really. Went home early today.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wu = sipping on some sizzurp.
"fortunately, i'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 30, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep only thing he could have done differently was play the hop right away.
That would have kept Mauer at 3rd.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I bag on Dye's defense...
and I think rightly so, I don’t know if anyone would have caught that. Maybe Anderson.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk says
Gomez could have gotten that one…and that he is a future HOF’er. “He’s got all the tools of a young Yastrzemski, DJ”
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got all the tools...
of a young Rodney McCray. IOW, he would have run through the wall to catch it.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
duh......of course
i was sitting here contemplating the degree of my surprise with regard to the AL central standings when i recalled phil rogers’ (clearly) brilliant scheme which he devised to assess teams off season transactions. that’s right, the revolutionary plus/minus system whereby, regardless of quality, if you add more starters/starting pitchers/8th inning relievers than you give up, you are better. let’s take a look.
SOX: +4—LOST: garland. ADDED: liney, cabrera, swish, Q!, alexei.
TWINS: +2—LOST: santana, hunter, garza, bartlett, silva. ADDED: gomez, young, harris, lamb, monroe, livan, everett.
TIGERS: +3—LOST: miller. ADDED: jacque jones, cabrera, willis, galarraga.
well, it seems CLEAR that the sox will win the central so everyone stop worrying so much. thanks phil rogers!
(and since i did this mostly from memory, and didn’t bother with the indians or royals, i may have made a mistake which throws off the delicate balance of mr. rogers’ finely honed theory, thus rendering my conclusion moot. any corrections are welcome.)- i didn’t count the sox losing an 8th inning guy because i don’t rememer them having one last year.
- i didn’t count the sox losing a left fielder because i don’t remember them having one last year.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Jul 30, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Calling out dudes who are good at stats
What is the probability that the “extreme” (i’m quoting the mainstream perception) home/road splits is just random variance? Or, put positively, what are the chances teams are shaping themselves around their home park more than ever?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
1) very high; 2) lowish.
i’m not sure why this is getting so much attention this year. i think the record on the road this year is something like .430. about the same as it was in 2005. it’s not like this is some stunningly unprecedented event or something.
by larry on Jul 30, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say 3 to 1, or 50%
... oh… you said “good at stats”. Never mind.
by ReservoirDog on Jul 30, 2008 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jeebus, mr. pink.
"fortunately, i'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 30, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Matchup: White Sox (59-46) at Twins (59-47), 7:10 p.m. CT
Probable Starters: Gavin Floyd (123 2/3 IP, 4.80 RA, 1.24 WHIP, 85 K) vs. Livan Hernandez (135 2/3, 5.84, 1.60, 53)
Pythagorean Record: Chicago, 60-45 (525 RS, 450 RA); Minnesota, 56-50 (523 RS, 492 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Chicago, #4; Minnesota, #16
Prospectus: Hernandez gave up 12 hits in eight innings in a 5-4 loss to Cleveland his last time out, which brought his total hits allowed for the season up to a major league-leading 190, 25 more than any other pitcher (Carlos Silva is second at 165). Those 190 knocks average out to 12.6 H/9, a rate that has not been equaled by any major league starter in over 70 years. That would place as the fifth-highest single-season mark amongst ERA qualifiers since the advent of the American League in 1901. The top seven spots are all occupied by live ball-era pitchers from 1929-40 (including brilliantly-named hurlers Chubby Dean and Chief Hogsett). If Hernandez stays in the rotation for the rest of the year while continuing to allow safeties at his current pace, he will finish the season with 290 hits allowed, which would be the most surrendered by any pitcher since Phil Niekro gave up at least 295 hits in three straight years from 1977-79.
Whether or not Hernandez does get that chance to stay in the rotation is the major issue currently surrounding the Twins, due to the continued domination of Francisco Liriano at Triple-A Rochester. Liriano actually gave up four runs over six innings in his last start for the Red Wings, but before that had reeled off a five-start stretch in which he allowed one run in 35 innings, and on the season the lefty boasts a 3.36 RA and 113/31 K/BB ratio in 118 frames for Rochester. The reasons for Liriano’s continued stay on the farm are unclear, for he has likely passed the point at which he would have qualified for “Super Two” arbitration eligibility. Usually the minimum ceiling for such status kicks in at two years and 128 days of major league service time, and Liriano is at two years and 31 days, with just 62 days left in the season. Between the Liriano situation and injuries—yesterday the team learned that second baseman Alexi Casilla might be out for the year with a torn thumb tendon—the Twins’ shot at the division seems to be slipping away, although after two straight wins over the White Sox they can move into first place for the first time since May 13 with another victory tonight.
by larry on Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is!
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! Was it over when Nick Punto beat Konerko’s throw into 2B? NO! (well kinda) And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets (Chicago) tough…[thinks hard] the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go! AHHHHHHHHH!
What the fuck happened to the SSS I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bobby, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. Punto, he’s a dead man! Morneau, dead! Gardenhire…DEAD!
We’re just the guys to do it.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the fuck happened?
i’m homeless and carless, that’s what the fuck happened.
by larry on Jul 30, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I can't believe it
All I got left is my JC Penney Swinger 2 Series Moped, green army beret helmet and pair of Chuck Taylors. They even took my clothes, man! I don’t care how hot it is outside, it is cold going down LSD at 42mph with nothing on but a pair of chuck taylor’s.
Goddammit Punto, you POS.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on Livan's suck factor
he’s bound to throw a 2-hit shutout tonight.
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 30, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed...
The Sox will probably have another performance like this against Livan.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bold prediction...
the Sox will have to score ten runs or more if they want to win tonight.
With Livan Hernandez, it’s a possibility…
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 30, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key moment in last night's game, IMO,
was the walk to Harris after the bloop single by Redmond (my God, was he really their DH again last night?). I believe Richard had him down 1-2 and lost him, and the inning rapidly got out of control from there.
The Twins are on one of those runs where they seem to capitalize on literally every opportunity (see also, bottom of the 7th yesterday) and walking any of their guys who truly suck is just deadly. It’s incredibly frustrating to watch (I was probably angrier after last night’s game than any other game this year), though I did not think the Sox played particularly badly. Maybe that just made it worse.
The short version: The Sox, I think, remain better than the Twins (other than Mauer and Morneau, I like the Sox at every position, we have better front-line starters and a better bullpen overall), but they are by no means a bad team, and it is certainly not all that unusual for a decent but inferior team to have an extended run of luck/opportunism (whatever you want to call it) and beat out a better, but also flawed, team. I don’t think the Twins can be dismissed anymore (if anyone thought otherwise).
Oh, and also: AAAAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!! HALP!!! (runs away shrieking)
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 30, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie basically rips on Konerko, Swisher, Anderson, and Wise in this article, haha...
“Benching Konerko not that simple”
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Konerko is getting the full-out benching...
WSCR 670 “The Score” is running a quote from Ozzie saying that Konerko is going to “get some rest for awhile.” Sounds like Swisher at 1B and the Anderson / Wise platoon in CF for awhile.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over/Under on how long "awhile" is?
I set the line at 4 games and I pick the under.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
My guess is that Wise will be starting tonight against the righty Livan and that Ozzie will give Konerko a few days off to “clear his head”. Then, he will be back to starting most of the time.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't even make glue out of that...
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"fortunately, i'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 30, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you come up with this shit?
Please keep it coming.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 30, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Google image search, son!
read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life
by rhythm on Jul 30, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can this team really do much if Konerko isn’t decent? Does anyone really want to start game 1 of the playoffs (assuming we get there) with Dwayne Wise in center field?
I’d rather bring Richar or Getz up and put Alexei back in CF if we are looking at this long term.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not?
Did pretty well while Konerko was out. There will be a platoon with Anderson and lets not forget world class speed in the minors of JO, who may be a Sept. callup!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just seems like we are losing a lot of pieces pretty quickly here.
Crede, Konerko, Contreras, Linebrink, Swisher. I don’t know if the team has what it takes to do much of anything without those guys playing up to their abilities (outside of Contreras who I assume would be a non-factor in the playoffs anyways).
Wise, Russell, Richard, Fields doesn’t inspire much confidence.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 30, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
29 sb / 11 cs
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 30, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction: 11 sb in 29 chances, so
18 sb / 11 cs
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 30, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn me, that's 11 cs in 29 chances
‘18 sb / 11 cs’ was accurate
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 30, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting dizzy
Oh, I just puked.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Ozzie's response:
“I have to get drunk and think about it.”
I’m going to tell my boss that the next time they ask me to do something out of my job description.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 30, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's actually my mission statement
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got to be awake first
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 30, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else think the Twins are acutely suited for their home environment?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That dome, of all domes, seems like an uber-depressing place
to watch a sporting event.
It has the appearance of a grade school “all purpose room,” where they store makeshift bleachers, so the kids can play dodgeball.
"Everybody looks at the Cubs. Look at the White Sox. They're a pretty good ballclub." - Lou Piniella (6/29/08)
by tailgater on Jul 30, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't been for baseball, but football games there are dreadful.
"fortunately, i'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 30, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well sir, watching baseball there is even worse
if you’re seated down either base line, your seat is position such that there is no comfortable way to observe the action at the dish. I could go on and on (and usually do), but I have to get back to work so I’ll leave you with the following summary:
What. A. Shit. Hole.
read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life
by rhythm on Jul 30, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to 2 games there back when I was about 10 or 11
Don’t remember much except it was my first time watching baseball inside and the initial revulsion. I do remember going to the Skydome a couple years later and my Dad and I both agreeing that the Skydome was how baseball in a dome (if it had to be done at all) should be played.
by madvillian on Jul 30, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its funny
when everyone leaves the game and goes out the doors, hats fly off willy-nilly and go blowing out into the street, because of the air pressure needed to keep it inflated.
But unless they can get it to blow skirts up, the building should be destroyed.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Jul 30, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they're just lucky.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In what way?
I guess maybe turf rewards contact more than grass, but other than that I’m sure in what way they would be so much better suited for the dome than another team.
Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.
Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 30, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically (Nazi photo omitted),
the former homerdome has become the one of the most extreme pitcher’s parks (and least homer-friendly parks) in the AL—per ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor?season=2008) it’s the most extreme this year, and was 2nd most extreme last year.
So yes, the park would appear to favor a generally light-hitting, speed-oriented team with no power like the Twins, in the same way that Busch Stadium used to favor the Cardinals in the 80’s.
by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 30, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it makes the groundball more of a weapon and the flyball less of one
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Halladay
Jim (Chicago): Is there anything to the rumors of the White Sox going after Halladay? Would Poreda, Egbert, Fields and Floyd be enough to get him?
John Perrotto: If I’m Toronto I’d make that deal but the Blue Jays have no intention of trading Doc.
by Off the bus running on Jul 30, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops posted in wrong thread/ like this is better?
Anyone watching Generation Kill? Very good imo. How much is truth? I know it comes primarily from a book. Screwdriver and tasty freezes!
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Jul 30, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too busy watching the Sox lose more games in the Twinkiedome.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Jul 30, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what I think yet
It feels less authentic to me. I don’t feel as compelled by the characters. I like them, but something in the story is missing.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Jul 30, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, really enjoying it
As to how factual it is, the people and events depicted are all real, with their real names used, but there’s some quibbling over the accuracy of the characterizations. Comments I’ve read from some of the marines depicted have said it’s about 80% true, 20% spin/poetic license, while others have said its limited perspective obscures some facts and unfairly casts some people in a bad light. The real Captain America and Encino Man of course claim that the way they are portrayed is 100% fiction, but who wouldn’t if you were them.
Apparently officers encouraged 1st Recon Marines to read the book to get an idea of what being at war is like, so the depiction of military life and warfare must be fairly accurate.
by Ryno on Jul 30, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers inquired about Masset
from MLBTR
by blackSox07 on Jul 30, 2008 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ssh's idea hasn't caught on with everyone.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/7/25/579023/white-sox-trade-deadline-r
gotta get up earlier.
by larry on Jul 30, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, if they inquired about him the Sox should have asked for a low level prospect
and called it a day.
by madvillian on Jul 30, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By Inquired
they mean, checked in, made sure he had been taking his vitamins and is brushing at least twice everyday.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 30, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Messit's WHIP is almost 2 since June 1
should have taken anything
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on Jul 30, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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