Vazquez Joins CG Loss Club
With a winning-streak-snapping loss to the A's, the White Sox are now 0-4 this season when their starter goes the distance, a statistic that seems about as unlikely as them going 0-4 in games in which they hit a grand slam.
The Sox remarkably poor performance in well-pitched games sent me searching B-R's Play Index to see what the record was for complete game losses. Not surprisingly, the Sox have no shot at setting the (retrosheet era) record. As Hawk would say, it's a changed game. They do, however, have an outside shot at making a run at the more modern wild card era record of 9 complete game losses held by the 1998 Mariners. Those Mariners had a special contribution from Jeff Fassero, who notched 6 complete game losses by himself. Only 3 teams have had more than Fassero's 6 since '98.
Unlike those Mariners, the Sox have spread their tough-luck losses around, with all 4 going to different starters. If I was John Danks, who already owns some of the worst run-support in the American League, I'd be nervous.
With the bullpen hurting--Bobby Jenks has a side or a non-throwing arm injury and Boone Logan has contracted a case of sporadic invisibility--Javier Vazquez was called upon to take one for the team, because, you know, the pen is only 7 men deep. Vazquez appeared to be up to the task early, striking out 7 of the first 9 he faced, but when the Sox offense was unable to capitalize on a 2 on, nobody out situation, Vazquez chose the wrong time to get a little wild. He hit Kurt Suzuki--what's Dony Lucy doin' these days--then threw Jack Cust a high do-nothing slider that went really high... and far. Vazquez had made two mistakes in the span of about a minute, and the Sox found themselves tied.
Another homer, the second Athletics hit of the game, by Donnie Murphy in the 5th put the A's up for good as the Sox were unable to mount yet another comeback against the AL ERA leader, and a guy who doesn't throw strikes.
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A somewhat disturbing stat
but the sox faced some really good pitching tonight… especially from Street (I think that was his name, I only heard the game on the radio)..
you win some, you lose some. We swept two teams in a row. We just gotta come back and grab the next three.
Honestly the Sox have faced some really good pitchers lately and done very well. Sure I’d love to win this one, but its not like we got blown out
by 815Sox on Jul 3, 2008 11:50 PM CDT 0 recs
We pitch up to our competition
Our starters who have thrown CGs this year were matched up against pitchers who slot in leaderboards the following way:
Current AL ERA Rank: 1, 4, 6, 7
Current AL WHIP Rank: 1, 2, 4, 9
by 3E8 on Jul 4, 2008 12:31 AM CDT 0 recs
Great stat
Last night was the same type of game that Nuke LaLoosh lost to end their streak – and I think it was 3-2. (Idiotic comparison, but that’s what I was thinking last night, esp. after Swish’s DP – wasn’t our night.)
We’ll get ‘em tonight.
PS For all of you not living in your Mom’s basement and actually paying your own bills, Happy Independence Day. For those still on the teat, you have something to shoot for. But celebrate at least your living in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
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by winningugly on
Jul 4, 2008 8:15 AM CDT
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why Greatest in history?
in timeline trems you’ve only been around for like minutes, unlike the Roman Empire or Classical Greece.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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We hold all these truths to be self-evident.
Sorry. 1776 still rankles, I imagine.
;)
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by winningugly on
Jul 4, 2008 8:30 AM CDT
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yeah 1776
what a pain in the arse, every time we go to bed we weep about what happened that year, and how much better our lives would be if we had sorted it out properly.
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by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 8:33 AM CDT
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Funny you bring that up...
I’m reading American Theocracy by Kevin Phillips which is somewhat along those lines (i.e. where the the United States lies on the timeline of an empire).
by CWSKeith on
Jul 4, 2008 8:40 AM CDT
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I would like to celebrate your great day
we don’t have anything like that anymore, pride in your country is very much looked down upon by the liberal elite who are in charge over here. The english national day is St Georges Day, which no one really does anything for, but on the fucking Irish one, St Ptaricks day, everyone goes out. makes me unhappy.
I don’t like turkey, far too dry, is there anything else I could have to make some sort of bond today? :-)
many thanks
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by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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Just commiserating here is sufficient
Thanks for the good wishes. Though I fear our national pride is suffering along the lines you describe. St. Patty’s is only a good excuse to drink. At least we have fireworks (unless you live in CA, where there is drought, and cannot light firecrackers), hot dogs, and good cheer. Very family-oriented, the 4th of July. Nice old patriotic songs, too.
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by winningugly on
Jul 4, 2008 8:56 AM CDT
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ok I'm about to finish for the day
I’m off to a bar that does very good Cheeseburgers, no hot dogs I’m afraid! does that count?
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by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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At the risk of turning this into a political flamewar thread
You don’t see any lame Visigoths sacking our country.
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!!
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 4, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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Yes, America, Fuck Yeah!
Happy 4th of July everyone!
Here’s to a fun and safe holiday!
If you’re drinking, don’t drive lest you might need to hire larry or Toonder to try to clear that DUI for you.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on
Jul 4, 2008 1:10 PM CDT
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For all of you not living in your Mom’s basement and actually paying your own bills, Happy Independence Day. For those still on the teat, you have something to shoot for. But celebrate at least your living in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
so living in a basement makes makes you unpatriotic? are those karl’s new talking points?
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by The Wizard on
Jul 4, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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Jeez, Wiz, Independence Day. Teat. Get it?
It’s a “launch from the nest” comment. Has nothing to do with patriotism.
Fer Chrissakes.
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by winningugly on
Jul 4, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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ok
what triggered my response was the ‘at least celebrate living…’ like we are unlikely to do so since we don’t love our country
I’m explaining how I saw it at first
but I misunderstood your intention; sorry for that
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by The Wizard on
Jul 5, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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I was pretty happy with the effort from our guys tonight
I saw a lot of hard hit balls, good play for the most part. It just didn’t happen for them. C’est la vie.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 4, 2008 2:05 AM CDT 0 recs
this loss can be blamed on stanchar
wu warned him to keep his dick in his pants, and he didn’t listen.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 4, 2008 2:41 AM CDT 0 recs
i also blame brunette fat chicks in big sun glasses
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 4, 2008 2:45 AM CDT 0 recs
nail >> head.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
Jul 4, 2008 2:56 PM CDT
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and blondes with terts smaller
than the mosquito bite on my elbow.
Genetics FTW
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Jul 4, 2008 2:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Why don't the Sox
wear pants like what Oakland wear, it’s a physical game right? I can’t understand why the players have to wear stupid stiff pants with a fucking belt to keep them up. Surely, better pants allows more comfortable movement at the plate and in the field right?
You have to look at these sort of little details sometimes.
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Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 4, 2008 8:09 AM CDT 0 recs
costanza?
perhaps they should look into cotton uniforms. it’s a natural fiber, you know. it breathes.
by Ryno on
Jul 4, 2008 9:15 AM CDT
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all signs point to yes
how long before john and jordan danks sit atop the brothers home run list?
by furby2056 on
Jul 4, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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costanza?
sorry, don’t know what you are on about
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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Best American Sitcom
Seinfeld. One of the main characters works for the Yankees.. there was an incident.
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 4, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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Seinfeld yes
I’ve seen that a couple of times, I hated it, lots of Jewish people moaninag about not being able to get their end away.
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Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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‘moaning’
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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You're right...
Brits do TV better.
MI-5
Foyle’s War
Cracker
Wire in the Blood
Morse
Touch of Frost
Sherlock Holmes w/ Jeremy Brett (not George)
all superior to our stuff, except the Wire and Sopranos. Take it from do. I’ve written TV for a living for 20 years. (and have worked on some great shows)
by RoyEgan on
Jul 4, 2008 4:04 PM CDT
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I've noticed that Seinfeld is generally loathed in England...
yet I’ve met numerous people from over there who seem perfectly intelligent who think that FRIENDS is hilarious! This baffles me to no end.
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on
Jul 4, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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Liking Seinfeld is probably blashpemy in the "British wit is superior to all wit" sense
Then again, I’m not British, and hoodlight is. But, screw it I like speaking in broad generalizations.
Hood, do you enjoy shows like Spaced, and the UK Office? Everyone says the British version of Office is vastly superior, but really I don’t think it’s that much better, more so even with the American version.
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 4, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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I think Friends
is far far worse to be honest
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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Friends is not funny
So you are correct there. What American comedy shows do you like, if any?
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 4, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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well I kind of like
My name is Earl
King of the Hill
and Jon Stewart is funny too
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by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 12:03 PM CDT
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these are all poor choices, my friend.
my name is earl has moments, but king of the hill blows and jon stewart jumped the shark a long time ago when he started up with his political agenda.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
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King of the Hill is a fine show for early morning/late night surfing
I don’t think, in the 12 years it’s been on (yes, that long), I’ve ever actually sat down to watch King of the Hill on purpose.
If you’re looking for a new show to like hood, I suggest How I Met Your Mother, which is a sitcom, but actually pretty funny with decent characters.
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 4, 2008 3:05 PM CDT
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i did say
kind of like, I’m not a big tv watcher to be honest
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by hoodlight on
Jul 4, 2008 3:13 PM CDT
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Jon Stewart blows? Agenda? Que?
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are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 4, 2008 3:30 PM CDT
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"lots of Jewish people moaninag about not being able to get their end away."
in a nutshell.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
Jul 4, 2008 2:58 PM CDT
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Also not correct.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
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That's highly debatable
For some reason, the re-runs just don’t hold up as well as they used to a couple of years ago. Maybe because AD came along and replaced Seinfeld as the new show to verbally pleasure?
by Ozzie Montana on
Jul 4, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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They were belts in Oakland too.
They’re just hipsters with white belts!
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on
Jul 4, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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Well, I'm glad everyone's come to their senses today.
Because the gamethread last night (which I wasn’t able to join due to a crappy computer) seemed like a complete meltdown!
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
by defensive indifference on Jul 4, 2008 11:52 AM CDT 0 recs
Matchup: Athletics (46-39) at White Sox (49-36), 6:05 p.m. CT
Probable Starters: Joe Blanton (114 IP, 5.29 RA, 1.43 WHIP, 55 K) vs. Mark Buehrle (111 2/3, 4.35, 1.30, 62)
Pythagorean Record: Oakland, 49-36 (373 RS, 313 RA); Chicago, 52-33 (416 RS, 328 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Oakland, #5; Chicago, #4
Prospectus: The Athletics came up with a 3-2 win in last night’s series opener at U.S. Cellular Field, breaking Chicago’s nine-game home winning streak, and also handed ex-teammate Nick Swisher an 0-for-4 collar with three strikeouts. So far, the White Sox have not reaped as much benefit as they had hoped to from their offseason trade with Oakland for Swisher. He has been exactly average offensively, with a .260 EqA. Meanwhile, a third of the haul that Oakland GM Billy Beane received for Swisher, outfielder Ryan Sweeney, has produced a .276 EqA, the fourth best mark on the A’s. Swisher has been on a tear recently, however, as he produced a 1032 OPS in 108 PA during the month of June, and seems poised to flip on the power that has been largely missing in the first half. Swisher and his teammates have been popping the ball out of the Cell all season-75 homers and a .482 SLG in 42 home games-but might find it difficult to continue that trend tonight and over the rest of the weekend, for Oakland has allowed fewer home runs (60) than any other team. Blanton is the pitcher most likely to be taken deep of any A’s staff member (12 times), though, so White Sox fans hoping for in-game fireworks might yet be rewarded.
One of the Oakland pitchers contributing to that homer suppression is 28-year-old rookie reliever Brad Ziegler, who has tossed 15 scoreless innings since getting called up from Triple-A Sacramento on May 30. Ziegler’s 14 straight scoreless outings to open his career represents the fourth longest such streak by a rookie since 1956. The right-hander was a starter in the minors up through 2006, but at the very end of that season was converted into a sidearming reliever by the A’s, who were looking for the next Chad Bradford. It appears they may have found him: Ziegler gave up 20 homers in 163 innings during 2006, but upon moving full-time to relief in 2007 did not surrender a single long ball in 78 1/3 frames. Add in this year’s 24 1/3 homerless innings at Sacramento, and his performance thus far in the majors, and Ziegler has now thrown 117 2/3 innings of relief since the start of last year without allowing a long ball. In that span he has also given up just 6.8 H/9, with an RA of 2.14.
by larry on Jul 4, 2008 12:18 PM CDT 0 recs
I obviously should be writing for BP. That was terrible. Took him two minutes to write that.
Superficial analysis is supposedly anathema there.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
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So who goes?
With team captain Paul Konerko ready to leave for Charlotte Friday afternoon to begin his rehab assignment, his projected return date is now finally set for Tuesday in Kansas City, barring any setbacks.
What that means for the Sox is Nick Swisher now has to move back to center, and a roster move is coming.
Yes, there were scouts in attendance to watch Juan Uribe get the start at shortstop in the 3-2 loss to the Oakland Athletics, but if the Sox are unable to make a move with Uribe before then, expect Wise or Brian Anderson to be sent packing to Charlotte.
"I mean I know they have been playing well here … they can win this whole weekend and then I play on Tuesday and we lose, everyone is going to be, ‘Oh, it’s because Konerko,’ ‘’ Konerko said Thursday. "But that question is almost not for me. It’s like listen, ‘I’m on the team, I got hurt, I worked to get back and if I’m back, hopefully they want me.’ That’s the question for [manager] Ozzie [Guillen]. What am I supposed to say? I mean I hope they want me back.’’
Guillen does.
"P.K. has been here long enough,’’ Guillen said. "He should know what he’s doing.’’
What won’t be easy for the Sox is who to send out? The bottom line is someone’s feelings are about to be hurt knowing that the record put up in Konerko’s absence was a team effort by all 25 guys.
"It’s going to be hard,’’ Guillen said. "We’re going to make a couple moves. I think right now we think about what decision we’re going to make when he’s coming back. We don’t have any decision yet. When that day comes, we should be prepared. But what decision we’re going to make, my center fielder obviously has got to be Swisher.
"Every time you make a decision when you’re going to lose a player when you’re playing well, it’s not easy. The decision, right or wrong, we got to make one.’’
The million-dollar question, who would you send out?
-Wise?
-Anderson?
—Uribe, even if you can’t trade him?
Posted by Joe Cowley
http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2008/07/so_who_goes.html#more
by larry on Jul 4, 2008 12:32 PM CDT 0 recs
OZUNA!!!!
I know I’m beating a dead horse, but why isn’t DFAing Ozuna even an option to the sportswriters?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on
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because joe knows what the sox are thinking and doesn't feel the need to waste space?
or course, he got his “dump uribe” dig in.
If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."
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You Can Learn From A Pop-Up
by Kevin GoldsteinThe old cliché is that you can go to a game and chances are you’ll see something you never saw before. On the same level, when you sit with the scouts, you can learn something you never knew. I attended last night’s game between Low-A Kane County and Burlington. It was a relatively uneventful game on a prospect level, but then in the fourth inning, something cool happened. Looking at the play-by-play of the game, it’s simply put, "Mike Moustakas flies out to center fielder Corey Brown." In reality it was a majestic thing. By the time it came down there was a four-man committee standing in short-short center with the two middle infielders, the centerfielder and the left fielder all having enough time to vote on who should catch it and sign a declaration declaring so before Corey Brown put his glove up to snag it in. One veteran baseball man turned to me and said, "How many kids in this league can hit a pop-up like that in this league? That’s pretty special." It sounded strange at first, but then I learned that it really was special. Talking later that night to a scout, I learned that many of them time pop-ups and it helps them measure raw power. They’re already starting their stopwatches on the crack of the bat to time the batters’ speed to first, so they leave it on and measure to time in the air of the pop flies. If you get past seven seconds, you’re getting into Mark McGwire territory. The more you know . . .
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=927
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 4, 2008 12:37 PM CDT 0 recs
Brewers Offer LaPorta For Sabathia
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/sabathia-brewer.html
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 4, 2008 12:41 PM CDT 0 recs
as they should
last year i said they needed to acquire a starter to beat out the cubs. they didn’t, stuck with such replacement level all-stars as vargas, and finished two games out. at least doug melvin learns from mistakes. trade from depth. and the brewers with even more compensation picks? mlb beware.
If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."
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i wouldn't mind seeing sabathia in a brewers jersey. that would make them pretty dangerous in a playoff series.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
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wow I have to think about taking that if I'm Shapiro
corner OF bat that looks like a lock for .900 OPS (CD’s minor league translations put his peak at .287/.378/.571) on the cheap? That’s better than you’re going to get from the picks almost assuredly and he’s major league ready.
Btw, I totally wanted us to send Garland over for Gamel and a decent catching prospect last year.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
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borowski DFAed
thanks for the memories, joe.
If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."
by larry on Jul 4, 2008 12:50 PM CDT 0 recs
See, the Injuns can learn from their mistakes
so why can’t the Sox…ie DFA Ozuna!
Alright, I’m approaching SSH territory here, so I’ll end my 4 minute long campaign to DFA Ozuna by saying, the Sox should DFA Ozuna or send down a reliever they don’t use if they’re going to have to make a “hard decision” when Kong comes back. Uribe should be Crede’s insurance at 3B and can back up ss and 2B as well. WTF can Ozuna do?
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
by rhythm on
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re: WTF can Ozuna do?
he can do a lot; oh, you mean well? ehh, I don’t have anything there
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by The Wizard on Jul 4, 2008 1:10 PM CDT 0 recs
he's in charge of helping coop get around the clubhouse
how long before john and jordan danks sit atop the brothers home run list?
by furby2056 on
Jul 4, 2008 3:08 PM CDT
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Twins' surprise run built on shaky foundation
by Dayn Perry
http://foxsports.com/mlb/story/8308750/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 4, 2008 1:24 PM CDT 0 recs
Obviously he read Colin's piece.
gonna out-energy a lot of guys, simply by over-attituding them
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My thought almost exactly
except I’d sprinkle in larry’s analysis. Dayn (Dayn?) nicks from this site, IMO.
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by winningugly on
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Hey, the 14k man got an avatar!
And a nice one!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 4, 2008 2:10 PM CDT 0 recs
Obama to Vikings fans: 'You guys need to be re-educated'
Barack Obama, noting he was in the midst of Vikings fans while speaking in Fargo this afternoon, suggested that they should instead root for the Chicago Bears.http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/22868369.html“You guys need to be re-educated,” said the Illinois senator and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. “Go Bears!” ...
LOL!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 4, 2008 2:31 PM CDT 0 recs
that's the words of a man who thinks he's already won an election.
FUCK YOU, that's my name!! You know why, Mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar BMW. That's my name!!
by MarketMaker on
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relax, it's called smack-talk
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by The Wizard on
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Paulie endorses the idea of Manager AJ
“Any catcher, really, could be a good manager; if you catch, you know all the other positions,” Paul Konerko said.http://nwitimes.com/articles/2008/07/03/sports/pro_sports/doc82d7e87b52c3cb188625747a0083bcd1.txt
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“Anarchy,” is what outfielder Brian Anderson projects as a clubhouse run by manager Pierzynski.
...
“He’d be a good one,” said backup catcher Toby Hall, possessed of his own managerial aspirations.
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 4, 2008 2:42 PM CDT 0 recs
that looks so awesome
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/
there’s a balrog!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Jul 4, 2008 3:49 PM CDT 0 recs
gotta love diablo 3...can't wait
how long before john and jordan danks sit atop the brothers home run list?
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