The Sox just traded for Ken Griffey Jr.
by PVL on Jul 31, 2008 7:26 AM CDT
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Not really sure what this does to our club, but, we shall find out.
I imagine that he will play center, maybe some at the corner outfield spots if Q or JD needs a day. But, Swish and Paulie's roles with the team will be drastically reduced. My question is, where is the pitching?
It is unknown what they gave up in the deal, so It could possible lead to something else.
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Wait...
how does this reduce Swish’s role?
The Twins are not good, please stop posting their score.
by defensive indifference on Jul 31, 2008 7:57 AM CDT reply actions
What!?!?
My dad called me on his way to work to tell me this, and I don’t get this at all. Does Kenny like to make trades that no one expected, even if they dont make any damn sense? This has to have a corresponding move. Konerko traded? Please?
Griffey is going to play center. Swish and Konerko would have to split time.
Konerko has no trade rights and…he sucks…in my opinion (which isn’t worth anything) it would be tought to get anything for him
griffey playing center would be insanity. he was atrocious five years ago.
Some numbers:
Center Field
UZR: -46 runs per 150 games (2003-2006)
PMR: -44 outs per 150 games (2005-2006)
RZR: -36 outs per 150 games (2004-2006)
Right Field
UZR: -16 runs per 150 games (2007)
PMR: -14 outs per 150 games (2007)
RZR: -22 outs per 150 games (2007-2008)
Say what you will about individual defensive metrics, but we have a mountain of evidence that Griffey is one of, if not the worst everyday defensive player in the game. You’re talking about a guy who’s a -15 run corner outfielder when he’s completely healthy, which he never is. He’s impossibly bad and quite likely worse than Raul Ibanez with dust in his eye, meaning that even if he were a plus hitter – which he isn’t – he’d still be giving everything right back in the field. When MGL called him the worst player in baseball, he wasn’t kidding around. Griffey’s got a convincing argument.
So we’ve established that Griffey isn’t a good hitter, and he isn’t even good enough to be an awful fielder. There has to be an upside, right? What would he do for us?
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/6/4/546195/three-guys-who-agree-on-ev
Seriously, Kenny has gone insane...
Posters here thought it would be ridiculous for Kenny to give up prospects for a reliever.
This move is amazingly insane unless there is more to it.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
huh
had no idea that griff was awful. hmm, this makes less sense. even if he was average, the best situation would be for him to platoon (griff accepting that is less likely) with BA and move swish to 1st, but now this makes no sense.
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
me hopes now
there is no clear upgrade here. unless he can move griff to another team with relief pitching available.
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
if he approves
i’d imagine one of konerko, thome or swish are going out in another trade for pitching. i know its a stretch but konerko to az? he does have a home there.
yeah sorry, just got a bit panicked
when i saw thome to oakland rumors, which didn’t make sense at all.
if you see the rumor, that means the trade already fell through
the only trades KW completes are ones you don’t hear about.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
he also completes the ones
that fell through 3 yrs ago.
He’s got some kind of Tenacious D.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
RedReporter guy here
Trust me, you don’t want Jr. playing ANYWHERE in the OF, and definitely not CF. I’d say he could DH and become a pretty damned good hitter again, but I don’t see how that happens with Thome there.
How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?
They tried to talk to him about it
But he wouldn’t warm to the idea from my understanding. It’d be great if he could, obviously. FWIW, I’ll be rooting for the Sox, Junior really deserves to get a ring.
How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?
Well, I tell you one thing
The Sox just added quite a bit of salary for next season and the remainder of this one, unless someone expensive is on the way out.
As long as the package was a couple of “b” prospects my intitial thoughs are to like this deal. Griffey would be a hell of a 4th outfielder, and as long as he’s treated that way this move should help the club win this year.
But where will he play? Maybe the Sox’ scouts have vetted Griffey and think he can play CF every 3rd day or so.
Just looked at the platoon splits for 08
110 OPS+ against RHP, that’s a very usefull bench player. Shit, if this move means that the Sox are willing take on salary to get a bench player I’m all for it. As long as Fields wasn’t part of the deal and it’s someone like Broadway/Egbert/Haeger etc I’m happy.
I'm guessing at least Broadway is headed to the Reds...
Isn’t he a groundball pitcher? He would make sense for the Reds in that stadium.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
he's a suck pitcher.
and isn’t he not in the trade?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
what site do you see the ops+ splits stat
i am ony seeing the conventional obp and slg on espn
thanks in advance
it seems that is 110 tOPS+
which is OPS relative to the player’s team as opposed to sOPS+ which is relative to the majors
Reds fan here.
So what are the odds that the Reds get Quentin? A little, right?
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
LOL...
None whatsoever. Why would the Sox make such a trade?
It is for two minor leaguers, according to WSCR 670 “The Score” here in Chicago. Righty starting pitcher Lance Broadway is probably one of them.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Damn.
What the story on Broadway?
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jul 31, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
he's the second coming
don’t you know?
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
As long as it isn't the second coming of Josh Fogg
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jul 31, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
uh oh.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
ROTDFLOTL
that’s rich!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Where does he play?
If the Sox are willing to risk Thome at 1B and plug Griffey in at DH against righties, that would make some sense. (Who is more likely to get injured at 1B, Thome or Junior?) If Griffey gets any time in the outfield, or takes at-bats away from anyone not named Konerko, this trade is a downtrade from what the Sox already have.
As mobility-challenged Reds go, I’d much rather have Dunn, but I imagine Jocketty wasn’t asking for a lot for Junior.
Il take him
He’s better than Konerko and the outfield is shitty anyway. fuck it. lets roll with Griff
Kenwo4life=ratings
that's the spirit!
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
forgetting about the baseball side of it....
We just traded for KEN GRIFFEY JUNIOR. If he approves, he is immediately the best player to ever play for the White Sox.
I actually don’t even care if this improves the team or not. I’m sure whatever the Sox gave up amounts to nothing more than a marginal prospect or two, and once again: it’s KEN GRIFFEY JUNIOR. If this season doesn’t end with any playoff success, we can always say that Griffey played for the White Sox. And that’s fucking awesome.
oh
relaxes
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Frank Thomas is the best sox player of all time
and if you don’t agree with that youre out of your mind
Kenwo4life=ratings
joe morgan would be pleased.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
he's not necessarily disagreeing with your choice as Frank
so much as “if you don’t agree wit that you’re out of your mind”
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
Maybe this trade rejuvenates him and you catch lightening in the bottle
i can see it happening. I agree with Paco here. I refuse to let you stat nerds get me down about this deal. It is Ken Fucking Griffey.
Kenwo4life=ratings
i didn't say he's the best WHITE SOX player of all time...
I said he would be the best player to play for the White Sox. Two different things. Also, if you’re suggesting that Frank Thomas has had a better career than Griffey, you would be incorrect. Offensively, I might give a slight edge to Thomas, but Griffey was one of the greatest defensive outfielders of all time.
No no...i am just saying Thomas was the best White sox of all time
which larry is denying because he is a loon. You are absolutely right Paco… I am kind of excited about this. Jim Edmonds was supposedly done and he’s been money for the Cubs. I think Griffey will be awesome for 2 months. That is all we are asking from him.
Plus who is in center anyway? Swisher? Griffey isn’t going to be that much of a down grade in center. Plus his offense is better than Konerko. So you will be gaining.
Kenwo4life=ratings
you hate frank thomas. clearly.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
as well as children, puppies, and sunny days.
clearly
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
huge downgrade in Center
look at Larry’s defensive stats above
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
sweet. let's sign willie mays, too.
he’ll suck but it’s willie. fucking. mays.
by larry on Jul 31, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point...
Frank Thomas is still playing… do you want him too PacoMartin? Because Griffey is virtually a DH these days.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Frank will still hit better than Konerko
I think he has almost as many homers and has been out since may. Not to mention a better batting average
Kenwo4life=ratings
don't waste your time checking the stats. just guess. it's easier that way. plus stats like hr's are tough to find.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you guys all forgot harold
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Griffey is better than Konerko.
I don’t care if he hits in a wheel chair. He will hit better than konerko. If we finally get that fucking jagoff out of the line up it is the greatest deal we could have made.
Kenwo4life=ratings
Yes PK sucks now
But we should be more subtle with our insults. He did help to win a WS.
But yes throw him off the fucking bus!
"We're the bitch of Chicago, we're the Chicago bitch."
everyone whines about Konerko...
then complains when they get a top 10 player of all time, albeit an aging one, for what I will assume is practically nothing, will presumably take away at bats from PK. Maybe Griffey catches fire; maybe not. But for me, wins and losses aren’t the only important part about being a fan. I grew up idolozing Ken Griffey Junior, and to see him play for the Sox would be amazing.
And no, I will not get off of your lawn.
You are.
I don’t understand fans that root for players over the team, it’s like people that stopped liking the Sox when Rowand was traded. Good riddance I say.
i'm not rooting for players over the team...
I just always loved Ken Griffey Junior. Shoot me. I apologize for not being an old coot who is disenchanted with life.
What’s your argument against the trade anyway? I guess we can’t judge it until we know who the Sox would be giving up, but I’m sure it’s no one terribly important.
This is all I’m saying: I’d love nothing more than to see this team win. Who knows how this turns out, but we can always look back at the 2008 season and say that Griffey played for the Sox. If you can’t understand that you can enjoy your baseball team in other ways than just winning, then I feel sorry for you, because you have forgotten that it’s a game.
Also, don’t call someone a fucking idiot, give no argument, and then say no offense.
which hypothetical end of the season would be a success?
Option 1: Sox dont trade for Griffey and go on to fight for the AL Central down to the wire with the outcome to be determined
Option 2: Sox trade for Griffey and absolutely suck for two months and finish behind the Twins and Tigers while barely holding off the Indians for third
obviously...
the first one.
But, why am I only allowed to like a trade based on strictly how it affects wins and losses? All I’m saying is that it’s going to be pretty fucking cool to see Griffey in a Sox uniform. And I don’t really care if it doesn’t drastically improve the team. What else was out there at that cheap of a price?
Yesterday on the Metra train
I had about 7 old and loud ladies talking about how they were “Farve” fans and they needed to figure out what team he was going to so they could buy a jersey.
I wanted to tell them how stupid they sound.
Fav-re.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Hello everyone
First time poster so be gentle, but I’m pretty excited about the move. I used to be stationed in Seattle when he was with the Mariners and always wished he’d been on the Sox.
I really think Griffey could find some motivation here and am hopeful that it could breathe some life back into his career. It wouldn’t be completely out of the realm of possibility for him to catch Barry Bonds someday, how cool would it be for him to do that at the Cell!!!
I don't know what to think...
I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.
It’s impossible to really judge this without knowing what the Sox are giving up, and what they plan to do with Griffey.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea, there is this rumored Swisher for Huston Street deal
But most of that is speculation IMO. Griffey is not being brought in to play CF IMO, he’s being brought in to be a role player off the bench, which is why he might not agree to this trade.
I really doubt that...he'll start and probably in CF
And Swisher for Street seems eminently likely…at least likelier than anything else I’ve heard
Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.
Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 31, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
sub-optimal, prime
Proper!
Those are two of my favorite phrases from a few years back, thanks for the reminders!
read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life
rumored maybe.
but why likely? according to Kenny, Swisher was acquired for several reasons: he’s a reasonable cost, he’s “chicago tough,” he gets on-base, etc etc etc. Why is it likely after four months, that he would be dumped for a setup guy?
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Really?
So KW gave up 3 prospects for Swish just to give him back? If Griffey goes through, Swisher is the most logical choice for first.
If anything, I see more minor leaugers for Street if it happens.
"We're the bitch of Chicago, we're the Chicago bitch."
Aging superstars on the White Sox.
From memory, these include Steve Carlton, Tom Seaver, Ron Santo, Jose Canseco, Roy Smalley, and George Kell.
Other than Seaver’s 300th win, not much good happened for the Sox after making these deals. Though Carlton is one of the ten best pitchers in baseball history, I don’t exactly have warm memories of his time at Comiskey.
If Ken Williams wants an aging star to handle CF poorly, he can get Minnie Minoso’s phone number from Jerry and save the hassle of trading paperwork with Cincinnati. (Junior’s still a better bet than Minoso to tear a hamstring if given CF duties.)
your comment reads as if you mean to say that ron santo was a superstar, but i know that's not what you meant, right?
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Santo Was Great
It gets lost on the youth because Santo is such a buftoon in the broadcast booth, but he was a truly great player. I suppose we can get into a definitional argument about what a “superstar” is but Santo was a 9 time all-star, 5 time gold glove winner, who was and OPS monster. By my reckoning, he’s the best eligible player not in the HOF. So, yeah, in my book that’s a “superstar.”
Santo is on the shortlist of best 3Bs in history
I am the last person to cut a Cub any slack, but it is criminal that he is not in the Hall of Fame. His numbers look less dramatic today, but in the context of his time, they were outstanding.
By the time he got to Comiskey, of course, he was done. That did not deter the Sox from picking up an equally cooked Don Kessinger a couple of years later.
On merit, he should be.
Though enough sportswriters - especially in Philadelphia - loathed him, and that’s not going to help his chances. Some will bitch about his bat being his only tool, but damn, what a hitter.
The weird thing about Santo is the media liked him, he was great, and still he can’t get in the Hall.
You're Wrong About Seaver
Tom Terrific was really good for us during the wasteland of 84-85. Probably our best starter each year. Hell, in 1985 he won 16 games with an ERA+ of 136. God, what I’d give for that right now.
Now, I am not for an instant suggesting that we’re going to get comparable production from Griffey. Its just that bad mid-80s White Sox teams are my sweet spot.
An effective pitcher, yes.
But hardly the foundation for a successful team. Hemond may have been better off threatening to draft Seaver and extracting multiple players from the Mets instead. (Hey, it worked against the Cubs when they made Fergie Jenkins available.) That team got old and bad in a hurry. Man, was 1984 a brutal hangover.
Sportline is reporting that it's Richar and Masset
I would rather have traded a pitcher than Richar, but oh well. At best Richar is an adequate everyday 2B , and KW seems to be able to found those guys elsewhere than from the Sox’ minor league system
It all depends on how Griffey is used
If he’s being brought in to play CF everyday than this trade is a mistake IMO. If he’s coming in a LH bat off the bench that plays 2-3 times a week with Dye/Swisher moving to 1B on those days then yes, this is a deal with moderate upside.
Dye might not like that. Dye is a better RF at this point, put Griffey at first.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Ehh...
if Griffey is in CF at all, just about any offense he provides is negated by the likelihood of anything hit to CF falling to the grass. I’m fine with this move so long as Griffey doesn’t see a second in CF. He’s a rather large upgrade to the bench.
I think I should have enough confidence in Kenny to know he won’t be seeing any time in CF, but I still have a little nervous-ness in my stomach (that or I’m hungover). In any case, if Guillen is able to leverage it where Swisher stays in CF but Konerko and Griffey are platooned, that strikes me as a pretty sizeable upgrade for the next two months. For the past two seasons Griffey is putting up about an .875 OPS versus righties. That’s gotta be about a half-a-win-to-a-win upgrade down the stretch (offensively speaking), right?
Well said
If Ozzie uses him right this trade boosts the offense enough to squeek out another win and will obviously help in the playoffs.
Masset and Richar are fungible with players the Sox already have or could reasonably acquire going forward, and if Cincy is picking up the tag then this is a solid if unspectacular move.
richar could've been useful
in another deal down the road, we lost a bullet. would’ve been best to stand pat (this is assuming griff waives the NTC).
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
His numbers last season in the minors would have been a huge trading chip...
he has declined at Charlotte this season.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Sportsline says Richar and Masset are going out
I would rather have traded a pitcher than Richar, but oh well. At best Richar is an adequate everyday 2B , and KW seems to be able to found those guys elsewhere than from the Sox’ minor league system
Well no Fields, Poreda, etc.. so it’s not an awful deal, but I would assume Masset leaving means we are getting one of the other RPs or trading for one.
Getting rid of Masset is a pretty great deal at least.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Take it FWIW
But via BBTF commenters have said that Cincy is picking up the rest of Griffey’s contract. If that is so I’m officially on this trade’s bandwagon pending how Ozzie uses him.
I can't complain about the price.
My only concern is how Griffey will be used.
At least now we are in no danger of - should there be postseason baseball for the Sox - seeing Nick Masset pitch in October. Richar’s value to the organization probably took a hit the day Alexei was signed. True, he can play 2B, but so can Chris Getz, and I wouldn’t bet a lot of money on Richar being able to outhit Getz at the major league level.
please don't ban me for posting this
super unlikely but awesome if griff turns out to be gary gaetti circa ‘98.
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
ha!
i had the exact same thought about gaetti when i heard about this trade on the radio this morning. great minds.
didn't gaetti
say he would pay to play at wrigley. old school. like dawson.
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
No Swish!
Don’t trade swisher… we’ve got him basically under our control at reasonable salary through 2012. While Street isn’t eligible for free agency, he is arbitration eligible. I would much rather have Swish for 4 more years than a reliever who has already had TJ surgery.
Also, don’t give up on PK! I would love Griffey as a 4th OF, and a guy who can rotate for the corner guys or for Thome when they need a day off, and a CF when we face tough righties.
There is no way Swisher gets traded straight up for Houston Street. It’s not possible, if Swisher gets traded there will be more to it then a relief pitcher who has lost velocity.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
White Sox have to be getting an RP
Anderson might get us a relief pitcher?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
Ugh...Knobler's sources indicate Griffey will play CF for the Sox
Brutal if true
Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.
Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.
Sources never seem to be that accurate about the White Sox.. I mean who saw this deal coming?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
that's kdub's mo
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
i admire the determination in kw's 'i always get my man' motto, but it's getting kind of comical with the old all-stars.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
Well he got him for a guy we’ve been demanding he waive and a second baseman who has struggled in a hitters park in AAA. I think KW did alright.
Hell.. most of us would have been happy if we just cut Nick Masset out right, to get a guy who has started to mash the ball from the left side for him is a bonus.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't disagree, but i still find it funny.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I was going to write exactly what you did, MM
so seconded, I guess
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
RAlmoar and SAlomarJr.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
RAlomar, I mean.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Was Bartolo Colon a deadline deal? I forget
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
How long is this gonna take?
Is Griffey sleeping or what?WAKE HIS ASS UP!
"Stay thirsty my friends."
So he's going to platoon with Paulie at 1B?
Works for me. Were people seriously worried he was going to play center? Give Kenny some credit guys.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I have heard it speculated on the radio
Both ESPN and the Score.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
heard what speculated?
and remember who these people are that are doing the speculating.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
My Bad
I heard the radio guys mention that Swish and Paulie platooning not Griff With Paulie. I know were talking about the radio guys. Just relaying what I heard.
If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.
by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That's retarded
for one, Swish is a switch-hitter. For two, we know that he’s not slumping much. He’s been incredibly unlucky. And besides, he plays CF, where the average slash line this year is .266/.331/.417. Swish: .230/.348/.404. Tack on 20 points of BA and suddenly we’ve got a .370 OBP in CF.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Sports Radio is about the last place I'd believe any speculation from
These guys have no idea what they are talking about.
Right, which is why I have no idea what all the freaking out is about
I’m just disappointed that we haven’t learned to trust Kenny at this point. This is a very good trade for this team. A left handed bat with OBP and some pop is a pretty great acquisition.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
and for cheap
I would still like to hear a statement from Kenny re: Jr’s playing time/spot, but there’s nothing we know that Kenny doesn’t know too.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
I like the addition of Griffey's bat...
he has been tearing it up the past 30 games. And getting rid of Masset is adition by subtraction. I just fear that Ozzie will stick him in CF since he was a Gold Glover eons ago.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
If Ozzie is willing to sit Paulie
there isn’t going to be a lot of deference paid to vets. Ozzie understands defense. So does Kenny. Why assume the worst?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
its what he does
but to be honest, i am little skeptical of ozzie’s use of him too.
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
i'll bitch and moan when i see it
until then, i’m assuming they know KGJr hasn’t played a credible OF defense in years
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I agree
I have learned to trust KW, this year has turned me over on him after really being down with the horseshit moves of Pods and Erstad in 2007.
2007 was a rebuilding year
the only way the McCarthy-Danks trade makes any sense is if you’re putting off competing for a year. We didn’t expect to tank that badly I’m sure, but it wasn’t going to be an ALC winner.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
What I really want to know
I’m guessing there’s no compensation for buyouts?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
When does the Nick Magic wake begin?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
jim?
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
The Reds just played at home yesterday so it would be a quick flight...
but who knows.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
The Score is saying that...
Griffey is going to play CF, Swisher is going to play 1B, and Thome and Konerko will platoon at DH.
If true, this should be interesting…
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
I won't believe it until I see it
because that’s insane. If you’re relegating Konerko to a platoon, there’s no reason to take the better defensive player and put him at first.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Who is on the Score right now that's worth paying attention to anyway?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I take everything from the Score...
with a huge grain of salt, but if Griffey is the everyday CF, the Sox got worse by this trade.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Where does he play then
Do they put him at first? DH him and move Thome to first? I like his bat, I just don’t see the fit on this team. Maybe Kenny has a three way trade in the works to move Konerko to AZ and send Street to the Sox.
by Off the bus running on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh.
Platoon with Konerko at first. Done.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Would he have agreed to the trade
to be part of a platoon though?
by Off the bus running on Jul 31, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a lefty
he’d be playing basically every day and he’d be the first lefty off the bench as soon as the starter is out.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Hell no, that'd be terrific
Before Griffey trade: Dwayne Wise is the first lefty off the bench
After Griffey trade: Griffey is the first lefty off the bench
That’s called improvement!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
A Griffey Sox jersey
That’s gotta boost some sales, no?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I still need a Q jersey
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Why do people actually thing that Griffey will be coming off the bench?
C’mon…
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
what about dwayne wise yo?
dwayne wise!!
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Again, like everyone else has stated
We’ll believe when we see him out there at CF. I buy the platoon at 1st, maybe some DH theory a lot more, considering how atrocious Griffey is defensively now.
What does this do to clubhouse chemistry? Doesn’t Jr have a bad reputation for being a me-first kind of dude? I know he’s probably just a rental, but this kind of stuff matters during a playoff race.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
well, he'll just have to wait his turn
to use the official scorer’s hotline phone. Sorry, Jr, there’s a line.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
Masset and Richar for Griffey; Reds and Sox to split Griffey's remaining contract...
ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick wrote:
CBS Sports.com reported that the Reds will receive pitcher Nick Masset and infielder Danny Richar in return, but that couldn’t immediately be confirmed.Sources said the Reds and White Sox will essentially “split’’ what remains on Griffey’s contract this season, along with the cost of his $4 million buyout for 2009.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
there's no chance at compensation, right?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Why Not?
True, we’d have to offer arbitration and have Griffey refuse, but the compensation formula seems to have a long memory. Maybe a little of the “OMG, ITS KEN GRIFFEY JR! ITS THE KID!!” mojo rubs off?
I figured that because we're buying him out, that somehow that causes you to forfeit the
comp. But if all we have to do is offer arb thereafter, that would be sweet. And Elias doesn’t have any decent defense metrics. There was a blurb on Tango’s blog about some guy who’s close to unlocking the formula for it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
From what I've heard
Even after a buyout, we can offer arb and get comp. if he declines.
Confused by the "if he declines" comment
but otherwise that’s sweet.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
oh, right. duh.
i am totally into this trade.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
By my rough calculations
We’re getting about $5mil in cash. Makes this look all the more better. And I’m trusting KW and Ozzie on the D.
This will likely give us a league average first base
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Stone on the score
Talking about getting rid of Swish.. also saying that when we can go out to win we need to do so. Also said Oakland would love to get Swisher back.
Rumormongering is what the internets
er. the radio is for.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i just can't see kenny parting with swish for street
especially since we just sold the farm for him months ago
haha
Well to be fair I tend to trust Stone over most other radio guys…
I really don’t see the Sox getting rid of Swisher though… Why not package BA and someone else?
Stoney has lost his mind if he thinks Swish is going anywhere
Kenny and Swish are BFF
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
He's trying to hard to prove point
He keeps saying its not about personalities, its about winning. Maybe he doesn’t like Swisher or something… who knows. He sounds pretty dumb.
Seriously. He is way too valuable as a switch-hitter and spiritual leader.
And multi-positional – let’s get everyone else secured and then put Swisher wherever there is an open spot. Who even cares where he is?
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Basically.
But that does have to mean no to Griffey in center. But he can play everywhere in the OF and 1B and he’s locked up for cheap. He’s an outstanding value all the way around.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I am positive about this move - not cursing KW til my death or anything, no matter how much estrogen courses through me.
But honestly, only time will tell.
I don’t think it’s enough to just have Ken mutha-fuckin’ Griffey Jr on our team.
His presence doth not a pennant guarantee.
But he just might work out for us – at the end of his career and hungry for a ring. I’ll take it! If there is any indication of how mental this game is, let us glance in PK’s sullen direction.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Well this doesn't suddenly give us a frontline starter
But it’s a significant upgrade that cost us jack shit. And now I get to update my google doc!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I can actually see you pushing your thick-rimmed glasses up on your nose.
:)
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
That cardboard cutout isn't going anywhere...neither is the real-life version
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh snap
Laurance said he’s going to talk to Stone about moving Dye to free up a spot…
no fucking way
Pretty much bullshit...
Why would the Sox trade their second best hitter to add Griffey?
One possibility would be for the Sox to move Dye to 1B and stick Griffey in RF with Swisher in CF but I don’t see that happening.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
God the Score is so atrocious
When Waddle and Silvy is the most bearable local program during the day, something is afoot.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I don’t like MIke Murphy and the stupid Brown’s Chiken plugs, but I reallllly can’t stand Boers and Berstein. Oh they really rub me the wrong way.
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
LOL
The Sox are going to trade Dye as he’s in the midst of yet another great season? That doesn’t make any sense unless they are getting another big bat back, and that just doesn’t seem very likely at all.
This is all speculation, and it’s garbage speculation at that. How do these guys get paid to talk such nonsense.
because people listen
"Lemonade was a popular drink back in the day and it still is.."
Gangstarr
by Big Daddy Kool on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
My 2 fav callers today
Happened to be Flubs fans
The first “couldn’t understand how Sox fans could be so negative. If the Cubs had JR he’d be positive about it”
The Second “wanted to compare the Cubs trades this year to the Sox trades”
Whatever happened to logic on the radio?
Did it die the same day it died on SSS? Or has it been a while?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Sports radio in Chicago is pathetic...
As bad as Konerko has been, they have been talking about how a platoon of Anderson and Wise would be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
MMM
sliced bread…
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I will never forgive KW for this...
To everyone asking if KW has lost his mind: the answer is yes. I am really hurt and angry by his decision. Who never loved KG Jr.? That’s not the problem. The problem is that his own Reds fans have booed him because he’s so slow in the field. He may bat better than Richar at the moment, but give it a year and we’ll see. I’m all for “old guys” trying to go out in glory, but don’t let it be at the expense of our young, budding talent. Richar was a great prospect and a solid ball player. He often made integral plays that may have not gotten the attention that was deserved. He got injured and I sent the man a get-well card and let him know that there were people in Chicago that appreciated his playing-now what do I tell him? :( Anyway, I was really waiting for the day we saw Richar on 2nd and Alexi as SS. As I have been, I will wear my Richar jersey proudly to every game and I will curse KW’s decision until my death. You wanna’ talk about a trade? -- Let’s get KW outta’ there for someone who has better sense.
by DavidIt'sMe on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Hawk is the guy who really values our exceptional talent
let’s get KW out and Hawk in.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I miss Lance Johnson
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I liked Tolleson
But we gave up way too much for him. Scott Fletcher was a better player straight-up and we threw in a really good starter prospect in Ed Correa.
Hawk already had one go-around, iirc
he was the one who traded Bobby Bonilla for Jose DeLeon
by southsideirish on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
" Let’s get KW outta’ there for someone who has better sense."
Uhhhhhh…. he’s done pretty damn good all things considered.
What place were the Sox supposed to be in?
funny guy
OK—-that was a good one, cheat
by DavidIt'sMe on Jul 31, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't really want Williams gone
He is one of the best gms in the game. We are lucky to have him. Personally I don’t question Kenny’s moves at first anymore. He’s proven to me he knows a lot more about baseball than I do.
by BoxingHideout on Jul 31, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Richar love...
First, I’m the type of person who loves baseball for the game itself, but also for the ethos and philosophy that fuels it. I appreciate stats, but I’m more into the story.
Richar made solid plays (especially when we would really need a double play or base hit), had a good attitude, and played behind the scenes to allow for some historical moments (i.e., set up to allow for Thome’s 500th walk-off). Also, his debut was my debut back in the ballpark. I’m a native South-Sider who returned to the ballpark that day with a renewed and deep love and passion for being able to once again watch live Sox games. It was as if I was renewing wedding vows and Danny was getting married for the first time that day. (I know I’ll get nailed for that analogy.)
Be honest, boys: Don’t we all have that player that we had to “mourn” their trade?
I’ll back out of the discussion now. Just wanted to say my bit.
by DavidIt'sMe on Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
Never called before, probably not again…but I had to say something after they were laughing about Richar. Just had to say that. Just had to let them know that there’s some Richar love out there : )
how am i the only one to rec this?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I did as well
I want visitors of SSS because of the trade to look upon this post as an overview of high level baseball thinking that the Sox are known for.
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
Konerko does have .70 OPS career platton split against LHP
.891 OPS career wise, so if he’s only in against LHP that will help. Sample size from this year (50 AB) too small to really garner anything, all he has been garbage in that small time.
Haha I knew that was coming
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
they test for nerve tonic now
so he should be clean
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
there's a party in my mouth
...and everyone’s invited!
Any news on when KW or Ozzie will be commenting on this trade?
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
Makes sense
why waste valuable time commenting on a trade rather than trying to workout another deal
Any news on when WU will be commenting on this trade?
Probably still drugged out of his skull, but this is way more important than “getting well.”
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
or is he just holding onto that bong a little too tightly?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I believe he is just sick.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
After KW is done dancing around his office with the 4 blondes he acquired this morning.
Traded the bat boy.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
With all the confusion re. where Griffey will play,
any chance the Sox got him to keep him away from the Twins?
Pitching, defense and health.
maybe, but I doubt it
Griffey only kinda-sorta makes sense for them, since they don’t have 1B issues. I suppose they might have wanted him for OF, but their defense sucks enough as it is.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Kubel's there
and I don’t know if they really want to force him into the OF either. I see how it makes perfect sense for us and only a little for them. Besides, the Twins certainly could have beat Richar and Masset if they’d wanted to. The Reds already have Brandon Phillips anyway.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
That makes sense
they might as well.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
How 'bout dis...
Sorry if it’s already been said, it’s hard to keep up today. I am actually at work and all…
JD – DH
Thome – 1st base
PK – bench-warmer for the time….
Griffey – RF
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Incorrect.
Griffey <<<<< JD in the OF
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Troof.
So yeah, 1st is ideal to me for Griffey. And it keeps Thome off the field.
All good points, jeeves and Colin.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope that Griffey doesn't own a high horse
him at first is obvs ideal
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
we're eating PK's salary this year as it stands
if KGJr doesn’t want to be a team player, we can flip it and reverse it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
As a Reds fan, I can assure you
that Griffey lives on the high horse. It took us 5 years to get him to move over to RF, and he’s still been batting 3rd in our lineup, with his robust .787 OPS.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
You can't argue against his offense when he's healthy...
2000: .943 OPS
2001: .898 OPS
2002: .784 OPS
2003: .936 OPS
2004: .864 OPS
2005: .945 OPS
2006: .802 OPS
2007: .868 OPS
2008: .787 OPS
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
it isn't like the Reds have been good or have had a GM like KW
Kenny has big brass balls. He’ll talk to KGJr however KGJr needs talking to. Same with Ozzie.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Yeah, the Reds managers have been spineless trying to deal with Jr.
I’m sure he’ll be more cooperative now that he’s playing for a decent team too. Hope he plays RF or DH though, because he’s a butcher everywhere else.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
No way he plays CF
there’s none.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
And your faith was misguided...
Griffey is starting in CF tonight.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
not to mention Thome needs to stay the hell away from defense.
Very straight forward:
Griffey platoons with PK. Fin.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Konerko vs. LHP this year...
.192/.300/.308.
Awesome.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
not sure that's super relevant.
but i see a shitty babip, a 200 ISO and a solid walk rate.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Unless you calculate ISO differently than I do...
I see Konerko’s ISO vs. lefties as .116.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 31, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
and if they were going to DH Dye
I reckon they’d put him at first any instead so Thome doesn’t get hurt
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
Let's put a moratorium on radio speculation
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
frealsies
as much as i love idiots flinging their jibber jabber every which way, can we keep it to a minimum? i woke up and SSS was just about freaking out. reason. listen to it.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
If I would have put
“take it as you will” would it have been better?
Honestly, its just something to talk about… not a big deal
anyways I gotta go work out and work on cover letters… later dudes
I figured this thread would be full of 'where would he play' t-shirt pics.
I don’t know if I’m disappointed or proud that it isn’t…
So can we get Ozzie Smith or is he still stuck in the mystery spot?
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
Also, there is one undeniable benefit to this move:
No more Nick Magic showing up in close games. Or maybe he will… you know… magically.
Personally, I'm a little saddened by this.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Still waiting.
Only 1 aunt left. She has 2 kids, 8 grandchildren, and 10 or 12 great grandchildren.
Sooooooooooo…...... it’s a longshot.
Pitching, defense and health.
Some Seattlite, not HSA (I checked)
was this site’s 1.5 millionth visitor this morning
AIM: SouthSideCheat
woah that confused me for a sec
for about three seconds i though you meant 1.5 millionth of the day, not all time, but congrats on the milestone nonetheless!
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
Probably some LL-er, sad that Griffey stopped east of Seattle.
He is still a deity in this town. Not surprisingly, of course.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
And the prize?
Pitching, defense and health.
Question:
What are the rules for contacting players and/or players agents in a situation like the Griffey trade?
Would the Sox, hypothetically, been allowed to ask Griffey’s agent if he would have any interest in coming to the Sox?
Or do the Sox have to seek the trade without being able to talk to agent or player and then leave themselves up to Griffey’s mercy?
Or can the Reds, upon undergoing negotiations say, “Ok Kenny you can talk to Griffey about whatever”
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
thank Larry
I had figured it was something like that, but I was only familiar with NBA dealins as such.
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
Haven't gone back to the SSS home page in a while, but we should have a thread to recap/discuss last night's game.
This is all very exciting, but the Sox beat the Twins last night in a glorious fashion, at the Dome, dontcha know!
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
Yeah, but you know that turned into this discussion. Real quick-like.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Small part from Keith Law (Espn)
“The best lineup move for Chicago now would be to bench first baseman Paul Konerko, who has a .661 OPS. But no matter how the White Sox realign their defense, they’ll field a bad defensive outfield unit and, with Griffey in the outfield, more balls to the gaps will become hits. The offensive difference between Griffey and Konerko for the rest of the season is probably just one win, but the addition of Griffey removes a futile bat from the White Sox’s potential postseason lineup, so he may provide more of a payoff in October than September. “
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Well we need a payoff in September to get to October, derrrrrrrrrrr!
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
One piece that really does stick out to me now
Even as an old guy he does offer a small degree of depth now.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Griffey really loathes the prospect of 1B that much?
That’s absurd.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
You read that somewhere?
I haven’t heard that.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
then stick his ass at first
Dye >>>> Griffey
and it’s not like the “prospects” dictate otherwise
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
It was a bad defensive outfield regardless
And Griffey won’t be measurably worse than Dye IMO. But other than that I agree with Keith on this one.
Ah man this thread is getting lit up as it should
Please please please play him at first and no where else (unless DH). I wonder if kenny knows something about Paulie’s health … maybe he is going down for more DL time. Recover completely and come back swinging next year.
"Where will he play?"
I know these are just stupid radio guys but here goes…
George Offman on WSCR 670 “The Score” is saying that team sources said Griffey will start in CF regularly.
Jesse Rogers on WSCR 670 “The Score” is saying that it looks like Griffey is playing CF with Konerko heading to the bench.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
stupid radio guys.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
At least it involves Konerko to the bench
But I cannot for the life of me see how Ozzie could be that stupid and play Griffey at CF. He’s bad out there, everyone knows it, and it isn’t some rare occurrence. Ego may be playing into these prognostications, but there is no way the Sox make a trade that actually makes them worse.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
don't get caught up in the bullshit
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
anyone
hear the john lannan rumor to the sox? supposedly it was just ont eh score.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
He's actually a lefty starter...
I actually had never heard of him before.
He’s a young, cheap, productive starter. Why would the Nationals of all teams trade him?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Those peripherals...
are pretty scary. I’m not impressed.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
would he start
and move contreras to the pen for mopup?
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
That contact rate
plus his K rate would certainly put our recently porous defense (not even including the crazy rumors of Jr. to CF) to the test.
Coop'll fix him.
Pitching, defense and health.
He's a legit sinkerballer
just checked out his fastball vs. RHB. Something like a .080 ISO against. That’s phenomenal for a lefty sinker.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I'll admit
I didn’t do a whole bunch of research outside of a brief glance at as B-R page. Either way, the mere fact that we have heard about this means it won’t happen.
Kenny Williams: Ninja GM Summer Blockbuster!
WSCR 670's Jesse Rogers is saying that the Sox are close to acquiring him...
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1984722#post1984722
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Another link...
http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66521
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
exactly
thats why i thought it was kind of weird.
12/12/07- We'll miss you Andy Gonzalez
this makes no sense unless Fields or someone like that is going
the Nats need to start filling out their roster long term.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Broadway? Poreda?
Pitching, defense and health.
why trade for Broadway or Poreda when you already have a 23 year old pitcher that
can pitch in the MLB?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
More options and more chance of success.
If its Broadway, See ya!
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
Broadway or Poreda
have “been on the Nats radar” for 10 years?
Pitching, defense and health.
what are the records of teams making a trade for big name player
post trading deadline within the past few years?
i recall the nba had those stats for when shaq, jason kidd, and pau gasol were traded and it was clearly evident that the gasol trade improved the lakers whereas the suns were merely .500 with shaq
just curious what the history is behind trades in mlb and the related effect of the player on the team’s record
Well it's pretty dependant on the trade and who's involved
Getting Randy Johnson when he’s still a dominant pitcher at the deadline will obviously have a much bigger impact than trading for an aged Griffey. One was meant to carry a team for a playoff race, the other is meant to plug a weak spot in the lineup, and the expectations are nowhere near as high.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i understand the concept
but im looking for actual records corresponding to trades while understanding that one player is undoubtedly harder to make an impact in baseball than in, say, basketball
plus/minus system baby
it doesn’s matter who you trade, just that you get more players than you give up.
brian anderson would've caught that...
no it's silly because it is.
it wouldn’t tell you anything remotely useful or predictive.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
figured it was worth a shot for someone else to do it
since you guys are all full of useful information
because that's not the way to go about evaluating them
if you have 25 players on a team and you change one out for another, the best thing to do is not to look at the performance of the whole team before and after.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
sure, sure.
griffey may only be worth about, i dunno, five more runs over the course of the rest of the season. but his mere presence will cause the sox to go, like, 45-11 down the stretch. it’s the intangibles, colin. you know, the stuff you cite when what you do doesn’t make a great deal of sense? “he makes his teammates better.” “veteran presence.” “he gives 110% effort.” “clutch.” “grinder.” “erstadian.”
but, but, but, the captain has so many intangibles they're coming out of his azzle...
"fortunately, i'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 31, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
honest question
weren’t you claiming you were not going to post on this board anymore a month or so ago?
what happened? was that just an attention grabbing effort?
honestly
don't get bitchy
deal with being wrong. it happens. not the end of the world.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
don't get bitchy
deal with being wrong. it happens. not the end of the world.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i never made any assertion
all i asked for was data pre and post trade of major trades because i was curious
you and larry jumped down my throat claiming that i am asserting that the trades will have a tremendous impact.
i was simply just curious and asking a question.
f
what i said – and this isn’t exactly hard to look up – was that i was getting tired of the idiots who seemed to be taking over the board. you know, people who ask, whether out of honest ignorance or trollish intent, silly things, get told they’re silly and they shouldn’t bother looking it up because it’s meaningless (which said said person already knows), and then start arguing about it.
sweet. let's sign willie mays, too. he’ll suck but it’s willie. fucking. mays.
player for player demands a micro-level scope
not macro.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
this site is full of speculative crap which is reiterated from rumor mongers....
...but yet a simple win-loss comparison pre and post trade is completely blasphemous!
No one is saying you can't look it up yourself
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
This is pretty hilaripus
on ESPNNews, anybody commenting on the trade keeps pronouncing Nick Masset’s last name with a French accent. He is hereby named Nick Mass-ayy! Mass-ayy!
most of those anchors
are from the Billiards Tonight show on ESPN8 – The Ocho, so they get his name confused with the pool shot.
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by Nordhagen on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
guess I took long enough in writing this for Ken Griffey Jr. to approve the trade sending him to the White Sox in exchange for two older prospects, Nick Masset and Danny Richar. Masset, 26, is a fringe righty who has some ability to keep the ball down, and with his size should be a back-end starter rather than a reliever. He doesn’t have the skills to be good in the bullpen, but he can throw 180 innings in the rotation. Richar, 25, has speed, pop, and absolutely no place to play in Cincinnati. He’s not a shortstop, and Brandon Phillips does every single thing better than he does.
The funny thing is, you might make a similar claim about Griffey and the White Sox. Griffey, like Rodriguez, comes with the reputation as a superstar forged during the Clinton Administration. Now, though, he’s an aging, fragile hitter with a slowing bat and no ability to play a big defensive role. The White Sox’ three best hitters play DH, left field, and right field. Nick Swisher, basically a league-average hitter, plays center. Paul Konerko, fading star, plays first base.
Now, there are a lot of permutations here, and not a single one looks attractive. Neither Dye nor Quentin is equipped to move to center field for more than an inning or so. Griffey isn’t remotely a center fielder any longer, and an outfield featuring those three in any configuration, well, you probably can hear Javier Vazquez’s teeth grinding as he contemplates the idea. You can’t sit Thome, who’s a better hitter than Griffey. If you give Konerko’s playing time to Griffey, you force either Swisher to first base, Griffey to the outfield and Vazquez to a dentist, or Thome to first base. The Sox have had Thome don a glove four times in three seasons, and if they go that route, they run the risk of off-field drama as Konerko adjusts to the bench and his legions of fans in Chicago go nuts. Keep something else in mind: the only one of the five players Griffey is better than, and even this is arguable, is Konerko.
The Sox gave up so little that you can’t fault them for making the deal, but it’s not clear what it does for them. Griffey would make a neat pinch-hitter and occasional starter for any of the players involved, but he’s inferior to almost all of them, and as such shouldn’t be playing regularly over any of them. The optimal alignment here is probably a Griffey/Konerko platoon, with Griffey playing first base. Anything else, anything that takes Swisher out of center field—and he isn’t Dwayne Murphy—or puts a glove on Thome could cancel out whatever small offensive boost Griffey brings. It’s a fascinating situation, and like the Tigers/Yankees deal, a situation in which the analysis of a trade has to go beyond the players and take into account the context of the teams.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7886
I can't believe this deal ends our dealmaking
Makes no sense. WTF? Bonds would’ve been better, and I neverwanted to see Bonds in a Sox uniform.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 31, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You're alive!!
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by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Link?
About “this deal ends Sox dealmaking.”
Pitching, defense and health.
bb, I said "I can't believe...", not that "this ends our dealmaking"
HSA- barely. Thanks for noticing.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
so if the only formulation that makes sense is a Konerko/Griffey platoon
why does everyone always think of that last? and why does no one have faith that that’s what will end up on the field?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Griffey will be hurt rounding 3rd within 2 weeks and DL'ed
It’s not that the scenario was thought of last – it’s that there is some difference of opinion as to whether or not it improves the team at all. I’m not sure it does at the cost of Richar.
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Jul 31, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
"Neither Dye nor Quentin is equipped to move to center field."
We haven’t even discussed moving Jermaine to CF.
Pitching, defense and health.
3 or 4 can't get here soon enough
So a talking head can say something.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
I just don't see the downside
If Griffey can play first base that is, if not we know JD can. Might be good for JD to save the legs down the stretch anyways.
Konerko / Griffey platoon until further notice, once in a while he gets a spot start in right or CF if need be. JD, Thome, Konerko, Griffey all aging guys, doesn’t hurt to have an extra left handed bat if one of them goes down. We didn’t give up anything of value.
We all wanted Masset gone, we got at worst a power hitting left hander off the bench for Danny Richar and Richar has fallen off the map.
We apparently are getting a relief pitcher from the Nationals.. who can’t be worse than Nick Masset. How is this team not better after this trade? Hell, the Reds are even throwing in 4 million in cash.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
You have to factor ego bruising in these position switches
I’m not an expert on how Dye, Konerko, Griffey act in the clubhouse, but I don’t think JD would be too happy about moving to 1st when he’s been the everyday RF for the Sox for 4 seasons now. Benching Konerko is something that should happen, but again you’re dealing with a vet and fan favorite with a monster contract, sitting him, especially in favor of Griffey may not sit well.
I agree that platooning Jr and Paulie at 1st makes the most sense, and in essence the combo gives the Sox an average bat in the lineup as opposed to Konerko’s shame spiral. My hope is that Griffey will accept whatever time he gets because he’s going to be in a legit playoff race for the first time in some years, and Swisher brings him over to our side with his loveable attitude.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
pre-reqs to joining the Sox:
Step One: Learn hipbump (time jump, rotate, stick it out!)
Step Two: No turning the hat backwards during batting practice (so 1995)
Step Three: Practice Captain Morgan dugout celebration (which leg goes up again?)
Step Four: Don’t out-awesome Swish. (you’re an add-on, not the drink-stirrer anymore)
Step Five: Pack hair dye, beard trimmer. Think of a fresh hairstyle.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Jul 31, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
How soon could he actually be playing for us?
Tomorrow? Saturday? Anyone know how this usually goes down?
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