The Sox just traded for Ken Griffey Jr.

No.fucking.way.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 7:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wait...

how does this reduce Swish’s role?

The Twins are not good, please stop posting their score.

by defensive indifference on Jul 31, 2008 7:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

My dad called me on his way to work to tell me this, and I don’t get this at all. Does Kenny like to make trades that no one expected, even if they dont make any damn sense? This has to have a corresponding move. Konerko traded? Please?

by JoeCoolMan24 on Jul 31, 2008 8:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Griffey is going to play center. Swish and Konerko would have to split time.

Konerko has no trade rights and…he sucks…in my opinion (which isn’t worth anything) it would be tought to get anything for him

by PVL on Jul 31, 2008 8:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

griffey playing center would be insanity. he was atrocious five years ago.

Some numbers:

Center Field

UZR: -46 runs per 150 games (2003-2006)
PMR: -44 outs per 150 games (2005-2006)
RZR: -36 outs per 150 games (2004-2006)

Right Field

UZR: -16 runs per 150 games (2007)
PMR: -14 outs per 150 games (2007)
RZR: -22 outs per 150 games (2007-2008)

Say what you will about individual defensive metrics, but we have a mountain of evidence that Griffey is one of, if not the worst everyday defensive player in the game. You’re talking about a guy who’s a -15 run corner outfielder when he’s completely healthy, which he never is. He’s impossibly bad and quite likely worse than Raul Ibanez with dust in his eye, meaning that even if he were a plus hitter – which he isn’t – he’d still be giving everything right back in the field. When MGL called him the worst player in baseball, he wasn’t kidding around. Griffey’s got a convincing argument.

So we’ve established that Griffey isn’t a good hitter, and he isn’t even good enough to be an awful fielder. There has to be an upside, right? What would he do for us?

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/6/4/546195/three-guys-who-agree-on-ev

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously, Kenny has gone insane...

Posters here thought it would be ridiculous for Kenny to give up prospects for a reliever.

This move is amazingly insane unless there is more to it.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

platoon him with paulie at first.

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

huh

had no idea that griff was awful. hmm, this makes less sense. even if he was average, the best situation would be for him to platoon (griff accepting that is less likely) with BA and move swish to 1st, but now this makes no sense.

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's gotta be a good chance Griffey

rejects this right?

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

me hopes now

there is no clear upgrade here. unless he can move griff to another team with relief pitching available.

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if he approves

i’d imagine one of konerko, thome or swish are going out in another trade for pitching. i know its a stretch but konerko to az? he does have a home there.

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I will be pissed if they get rid of swish or thome

Seriously…

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not. happening.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah sorry, just got a bit panicked

when i saw thome to oakland rumors, which didn’t make sense at all.

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if you see the rumor, that means the trade already fell through

the only trades KW completes are ones you don’t hear about.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he also completes the ones

that fell through 3 yrs ago.

He’s got some kind of Tenacious D.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Jul 31, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

RedReporter guy here

Trust me, you don’t want Jr. playing ANYWHERE in the OF, and definitely not CF. I’d say he could DH and become a pretty damned good hitter again, but I don’t see how that happens with Thome there.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Jul 31, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

JCH

Can he play first?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe

but he never has here. (also a Reds guy)

Hopefully you guys will drop him down in the order also

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 31, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They tried to talk to him about it

But he wouldn’t warm to the idea from my understanding. It’d be great if he could, obviously. FWIW, I’ll be rooting for the Sox, Junior really deserves to get a ring.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, I tell you one thing

The Sox just added quite a bit of salary for next season and the remainder of this one, unless someone expensive is on the way out.

As long as the package was a couple of “b” prospects my intitial thoughs are to like this deal. Griffey would be a hell of a 4th outfielder, and as long as he’s treated that way this move should help the club win this year.

But where will he play? Maybe the Sox’ scouts have vetted Griffey and think he can play CF every 3rd day or so.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you can almost certainly bet that KW took at least $4M it takes to buy him out.

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just looked at the platoon splits for 08

110 OPS+ against RHP, that’s a very usefull bench player. Shit, if this move means that the Sox are willing take on salary to get a bench player I’m all for it. As long as Fields wasn’t part of the deal and it’s someone like Broadway/Egbert/Haeger etc I’m happy.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm guessing at least Broadway is headed to the Reds...

Isn’t he a groundball pitcher? He would make sense for the Reds in that stadium.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's a suck pitcher.

and isn’t he not in the trade?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what site do you see the ops+ splits stat

i am ony seeing the conventional obp and slg on espn

thanks in advance

by The Scoper on Jul 31, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

baseball-reference.com

by CWSKeith on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nm

im dumb

by The Scoper on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it seems that is 110 tOPS+

which is OPS relative to the player’s team as opposed to sOPS+ which is relative to the majors

by The Scoper on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

just say no, ken. chicago is a horrible city, even to visit for a couple months.

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Reds fan here.

So what are the odds that the Reds get Quentin? A little, right?

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 31, 2008 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL...

None whatsoever. Why would the Sox make such a trade?

It is for two minor leaguers, according to WSCR 670 “The Score” here in Chicago. Righty starting pitcher Lance Broadway is probably one of them.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn.

What the story on Broadway?

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 31, 2008 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's the second coming

don’t you know?

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

As long as it isn't the second coming of Josh Fogg

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 31, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well then your kind of screwed.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh oh.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ROTDFLOTL

that’s rich!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where does he play?

If the Sox are willing to risk Thome at 1B and plug Griffey in at DH against righties, that would make some sense. (Who is more likely to get injured at 1B, Thome or Junior?) If Griffey gets any time in the outfield, or takes at-bats away from anyone not named Konerko, this trade is a downtrade from what the Sox already have.

As mobility-challenged Reds go, I’d much rather have Dunn, but I imagine Jocketty wasn’t asking for a lot for Junior.

by asinwreck on Jul 31, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you can have Corey Patterson

he’s real fast

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 31, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Il take him

He’s better than Konerko and the outfield is shitty anyway. fuck it. lets roll with Griff

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We know you'd take him over Konerko.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's the spirit!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

forgetting about the baseball side of it....

We just traded for KEN GRIFFEY JUNIOR. If he approves, he is immediately the best player to ever play for the White Sox.

I actually don’t even care if this improves the team or not. I’m sure whatever the Sox gave up amounts to nothing more than a marginal prospect or two, and once again: it’s KEN GRIFFEY JUNIOR. If this season doesn’t end with any playoff success, we can always say that Griffey played for the White Sox. And that’s fucking awesome.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

um, you're forgetting

jose canseco

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Canseco was good on the sox

a lot more productive than jeff liefer was.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

/sarcasm

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh

relaxes

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

joe jackson, ed walsh, eddie collins...

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frank Thomas is the best sox player of all time

and if you don’t agree with that youre out of your mind

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah, now that's the unassailable rhetorical style at which we've come to laugh.

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

youre out of your mind.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Consistent at least.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

joe morgan would be pleased.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's not necessarily disagreeing with your choice as Frank

so much as “if you don’t agree wit that you’re out of your mind”

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jul 31, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe this trade rejuvenates him and you catch lightening in the bottle

i can see it happening. I agree with Paco here. I refuse to let you stat nerds get me down about this deal. It is Ken Fucking Griffey.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i didn't say he's the best WHITE SOX player of all time...

I said he would be the best player to play for the White Sox. Two different things. Also, if you’re suggesting that Frank Thomas has had a better career than Griffey, you would be incorrect. Offensively, I might give a slight edge to Thomas, but Griffey was one of the greatest defensive outfielders of all time.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No no...i am just saying Thomas was the best White sox of all time

which larry is denying because he is a loon. You are absolutely right Paco… I am kind of excited about this. Jim Edmonds was supposedly done and he’s been money for the Cubs. I think Griffey will be awesome for 2 months. That is all we are asking from him.

Plus who is in center anyway? Swisher? Griffey isn’t going to be that much of a down grade in center. Plus his offense is better than Konerko. So you will be gaining.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

another guy who has trouble reading. i didn't deny anything. i didn't even engage in an argument with you about your position.

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol, we are post-irony here.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you hate frank thomas. clearly.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

as well as children, puppies, and sunny days.

clearly

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

huge downgrade in Center

look at Larry’s defensive stats above

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jul 31, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

larry is denying because he is a loon

airtight logic there kenwo

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and as we have said...

even if he sucks, it’s Ken. Griffey. Junior.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

sweet. let's sign willie mays, too.

he’ll suck but it’s willie. fucking. mays.

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Good point...

Frank Thomas is still playing… do you want him too PacoMartin? Because Griffey is virtually a DH these days.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frank will still hit better than Konerko

I think he has almost as many homers and has been out since may. Not to mention a better batting average

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't waste your time checking the stats. just guess. it's easier that way. plus stats like hr's are tough to find.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

you guys all forgot harold

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Griffey is better than Konerko.

I don’t care if he hits in a wheel chair. He will hit better than konerko. If we finally get that fucking jagoff out of the line up it is the greatest deal we could have made.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes PK sucks now

But we should be more subtle with our insults. He did help to win a WS.

But yes throw him off the fucking bus!

"We're the bitch of Chicago, we're the Chicago bitch."

by rangerjae on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

everyone whines about Konerko...

then complains when they get a top 10 player of all time, albeit an aging one, for what I will assume is practically nothing, will presumably take away at bats from PK. Maybe Griffey catches fire; maybe not. But for me, wins and losses aren’t the only important part about being a fan. I grew up idolozing Ken Griffey Junior, and to see him play for the Sox would be amazing.

And no, I will not get off of your lawn.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

top ten player of all time?

you realize they played baseball before 1980 right?

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

am I the fucking idiot?

or is larry?

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are.

I don’t understand fans that root for players over the team, it’s like people that stopped liking the Sox when Rowand was traded. Good riddance I say.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm not rooting for players over the team...

I just always loved Ken Griffey Junior. Shoot me. I apologize for not being an old coot who is disenchanted with life.

What’s your argument against the trade anyway? I guess we can’t judge it until we know who the Sox would be giving up, but I’m sure it’s no one terribly important.

This is all I’m saying: I’d love nothing more than to see this team win. Who knows how this turns out, but we can always look back at the 2008 season and say that Griffey played for the Sox. If you can’t understand that you can enjoy your baseball team in other ways than just winning, then I feel sorry for you, because you have forgotten that it’s a game.

Also, don’t call someone a fucking idiot, give no argument, and then say no offense.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

which hypothetical end of the season would be a success?

Option 1: Sox dont trade for Griffey and go on to fight for the AL Central down to the wire with the outcome to be determined

Option 2: Sox trade for Griffey and absolutely suck for two months and finish behind the Twins and Tigers while barely holding off the Indians for third

by The Scoper on Jul 31, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

obviously...

the first one.

But, why am I only allowed to like a trade based on strictly how it affects wins and losses? All I’m saying is that it’s going to be pretty fucking cool to see Griffey in a Sox uniform. And I don’t really care if it doesn’t drastically improve the team. What else was out there at that cheap of a price?

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yesterday on the Metra train

I had about 7 old and loud ladies talking about how they were “Farve” fans and they needed to figure out what team he was going to so they could buy a jersey.

I wanted to tell them how stupid they sound.

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fav-re.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're a fucking idiot then, no offense.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hello everyone

First time poster so be gentle, but I’m pretty excited about the move. I used to be stationed in Seattle when he was with the Mariners and always wished he’d been on the Sox.

I really think Griffey could find some motivation here and am hopeful that it could breathe some life back into his career. It wouldn’t be completely out of the realm of possibility for him to catch Barry Bonds someday, how cool would it be for him to do that at the Cell!!!

by POSEYHATER on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know what to think...

I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.

It’s impossible to really judge this without knowing what the Sox are giving up, and what they plan to do with Griffey.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, there is this rumored Swisher for Huston Street deal

But most of that is speculation IMO. Griffey is not being brought in to play CF IMO, he’s being brought in to be a role player off the bench, which is why he might not agree to this trade.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really doubt that...he'll start and probably in CF

And Swisher for Street seems eminently likely…at least likelier than anything else I’ve heard

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 31, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good lord

so Santos, Sweeney and Gio for Street?

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That would be ... sub-optimal.

by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 31, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sub-optimal

prime!

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jul 31, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sub-optimal, prime

Proper!

Those are two of my favorite phrases from a few years back, thanks for the reminders!

read the whole thing you stroke artist - kenwo4life

by rhythm on Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

rumored maybe.

but why likely? according to Kenny, Swisher was acquired for several reasons: he’s a reasonable cost, he’s “chicago tough,” he gets on-base, etc etc etc. Why is it likely after four months, that he would be dumped for a setup guy?

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

So KW gave up 3 prospects for Swish just to give him back? If Griffey goes through, Swisher is the most logical choice for first.

If anything, I see more minor leaugers for Street if it happens.

"We're the bitch of Chicago, we're the Chicago bitch."

by rangerjae on Jul 31, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

God I hope not

I will be pissed

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aging superstars on the White Sox.

From memory, these include Steve Carlton, Tom Seaver, Ron Santo, Jose Canseco, Roy Smalley, and George Kell.

Other than Seaver’s 300th win, not much good happened for the Sox after making these deals. Though Carlton is one of the ten best pitchers in baseball history, I don’t exactly have warm memories of his time at Comiskey.

If Ken Williams wants an aging star to handle CF poorly, he can get Minnie Minoso’s phone number from Jerry and save the hassle of trading paperwork with Cincinnati. (Junior’s still a better bet than Minoso to tear a hamstring if given CF duties.)

by asinwreck on Jul 31, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

your comment reads as if you mean to say that ron santo was a superstar, but i know that's not what you meant, right?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Santo Was Great

It gets lost on the youth because Santo is such a buftoon in the broadcast booth, but he was a truly great player. I suppose we can get into a definitional argument about what a “superstar” is but Santo was a 9 time all-star, 5 time gold glove winner, who was and OPS monster. By my reckoning, he’s the best eligible player not in the HOF. So, yeah, in my book that’s a “superstar.”

by Landfill on Jul 31, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Santo is on the shortlist of best 3Bs in history

I am the last person to cut a Cub any slack, but it is criminal that he is not in the Hall of Fame. His numbers look less dramatic today, but in the context of his time, they were outstanding.

By the time he got to Comiskey, of course, he was done. That did not deter the Sox from picking up an equally cooked Don Kessinger a couple of years later.

by asinwreck on Jul 31, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still at a loss why Dick Allen isn't in the HOF

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jul 31, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

On merit, he should be.

Though enough sportswriters - especially in Philadelphia - loathed him, and that’s not going to help his chances. Some will bitch about his bat being his only tool, but damn, what a hitter.

The weird thing about Santo is the media liked him, he was great, and still he can’t get in the Hall.

by asinwreck on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're Wrong About Seaver

Tom Terrific was really good for us during the wasteland of 84-85. Probably our best starter each year. Hell, in 1985 he won 16 games with an ERA+ of 136. God, what I’d give for that right now.

Now, I am not for an instant suggesting that we’re going to get comparable production from Griffey. Its just that bad mid-80s White Sox teams are my sweet spot.

by Landfill on Jul 31, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

An effective pitcher, yes.

But hardly the foundation for a successful team. Hemond may have been better off threatening to draft Seaver and extracting multiple players from the Mets instead. (Hey, it worked against the Cubs when they made Fergie Jenkins available.) That team got old and bad in a hurry. Man, was 1984 a brutal hangover.

by asinwreck on Jul 31, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sportline is reporting that it's Richar and Masset

I would rather have traded a pitcher than Richar, but oh well. At best Richar is an adequate everyday 2B , and KW seems to be able to found those guys elsewhere than from the Sox’ minor league system

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Link

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10914920

by mjthor on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And getting anything for Masset is a win.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

see...

We gave up NOTHING. This is a no risk, potentially medium-reward trade.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It all depends on how Griffey is used

If he’s being brought in to play CF everyday than this trade is a mistake IMO. If he’s coming in a LH bat off the bench that plays 2-3 times a week with Dye/Swisher moving to 1B on those days then yes, this is a deal with moderate upside.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What about moving Dye to first and sticking

Griff in right?

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dye might not like that. Dye is a better RF at this point, put Griffey at first.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm okay with either of those

I thought Dye played a little bit of first, has Junior ever?

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 games

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ehh...

if Griffey is in CF at all, just about any offense he provides is negated by the likelihood of anything hit to CF falling to the grass. I’m fine with this move so long as Griffey doesn’t see a second in CF. He’s a rather large upgrade to the bench.

I think I should have enough confidence in Kenny to know he won’t be seeing any time in CF, but I still have a little nervous-ness in my stomach (that or I’m hungover). In any case, if Guillen is able to leverage it where Swisher stays in CF but Konerko and Griffey are platooned, that strikes me as a pretty sizeable upgrade for the next two months. For the past two seasons Griffey is putting up about an .875 OPS versus righties. That’s gotta be about a half-a-win-to-a-win upgrade down the stretch (offensively speaking), right?

by CWSKeith on Jul 31, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well said

If Ozzie uses him right this trade boosts the offense enough to squeek out another win and will obviously help in the playoffs.

Masset and Richar are fungible with players the Sox already have or could reasonably acquire going forward, and if Cincy is picking up the tag then this is a solid if unspectacular move.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Totally agreed

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

richar could've been useful

in another deal down the road, we lost a bullet. would’ve been best to stand pat (this is assuming griff waives the NTC).

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He waived it.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

His numbers last season in the minors would have been a huge trading chip...

he has declined at Charlotte this season.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not huge.

he got traded for aaron cunningham and played in tuscon and then charlotte.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sportsline says Richar and Masset are going out

I would rather have traded a pitcher than Richar, but oh well. At best Richar is an adequate everyday 2B , and KW seems to be able to found those guys elsewhere than from the Sox’ minor league system

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well no Fields, Poreda, etc.. so it’s not an awful deal, but I would assume Masset leaving means we are getting one of the other RPs or trading for one.

Getting rid of Masset is a pretty great deal at least.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Take it FWIW

But via BBTF commenters have said that Cincy is picking up the rest of Griffey’s contract. If that is so I’m officially on this trade’s bandwagon pending how Ozzie uses him.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't complain about the price.

My only concern is how Griffey will be used.

At least now we are in no danger of - should there be postseason baseball for the Sox - seeing Nick Masset pitch in October. Richar’s value to the organization probably took a hit the day Alexei was signed. True, he can play 2B, but so can Chris Getz, and I wouldn’t bet a lot of money on Richar being able to outhit Getz at the major league level.

by asinwreck on Jul 31, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

please don't ban me for posting this

super unlikely but awesome if griff turns out to be gary gaetti circa ‘98.

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ha!

i had the exact same thought about gaetti when i heard about this trade on the radio this morning. great minds.

by Ryno on Jul 31, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

didn't gaetti

say he would pay to play at wrigley. old school. like dawson.

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Griffey okays trade

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8398348/Griffey-accepts-trade-to-White-Sox

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No Swish!

Don’t trade swisher… we’ve got him basically under our control at reasonable salary through 2012. While Street isn’t eligible for free agency, he is arbitration eligible. I would much rather have Swish for 4 more years than a reliever who has already had TJ surgery.

Also, don’t give up on PK! I would love Griffey as a 4th OF, and a guy who can rotate for the corner guys or for Thome when they need a day off, and a CF when we face tough righties.

by felton424 on Jul 31, 2008 10:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

There is no way Swisher gets traded straight up for Houston Street. It’s not possible, if Swisher gets traded there will be more to it then a relief pitcher who has lost velocity.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

White Sox have to be getting an RP

Anderson might get us a relief pitcher?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh...Knobler's sources indicate Griffey will play CF for the Sox

Brutal if true

Announcer: [A fan] from Frederick, Maryland, wants to know why you don't go out and get some more team speed.

Weaver: Team speed, for Chrissake, you get BLEEP god damn little fleas on the bases getting picked off trying to steal, getting thrown out, taking runs away from you. You get them big BLEEP who can hit the BLEEP ball out of the BLEEP ballpark and you can't make any god damn mistakes.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 31, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sources never seem to be that accurate about the White Sox.. I mean who saw this deal coming?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's kdub's mo

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i admire the determination in kw's 'i always get my man' motto, but it's getting kind of comical with the old all-stars.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well he got him for a guy we’ve been demanding he waive and a second baseman who has struggled in a hitters park in AAA. I think KW did alright.

Hell.. most of us would have been happy if we just cut Nick Masset out right, to get a guy who has started to mash the ball from the left side for him is a bonus.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't disagree, but i still find it funny.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was going to write exactly what you did, MM

so seconded, I guess

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jul 31, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still waiting for the Sandy Alomar, Jr. press release

Go Sox!

by luzinski on Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and his other fave

Hot Carl Everett

by FAQ on Jul 31, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

RAlmoar and SAlomarJr.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

RAlomar, I mean.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was Bartolo Colon a deadline deal? I forget

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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How long is this gonna take?

Is Griffey sleeping or what?WAKE HIS ASS UP!

"Stay thirsty my friends."

by oahu420 on Jul 31, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he already agreed to the trade

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So he's going to platoon with Paulie at 1B?

Works for me. Were people seriously worried he was going to play center? Give Kenny some credit guys.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

where are you seeing that?

just curious

by The Scoper on Jul 31, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have heard it speculated on the radio

Both ESPN and the Score.

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

heard what speculated?

and remember who these people are that are doing the speculating.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Bad

I heard the radio guys mention that Swish and Paulie platooning not Griff With Paulie. I know were talking about the radio guys. Just relaying what I heard.

If we aren't careful, the leanness we now feel will be the starvation of those we serve.

by Chi 'Till I Die on Jul 31, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's retarded

for one, Swish is a switch-hitter. For two, we know that he’s not slumping much. He’s been incredibly unlucky. And besides, he plays CF, where the average slash line this year is .266/.331/.417. Swish: .230/.348/.404. Tack on 20 points of BA and suddenly we’ve got a .370 OBP in CF.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sports Radio is about the last place I'd believe any speculation from

These guys have no idea what they are talking about.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right, which is why I have no idea what all the freaking out is about

I’m just disappointed that we haven’t learned to trust Kenny at this point. This is a very good trade for this team. A left handed bat with OBP and some pop is a pretty great acquisition.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and for cheap

I would still like to hear a statement from Kenny re: Jr’s playing time/spot, but there’s nothing we know that Kenny doesn’t know too.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Jul 31, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

right

what in Kenny’s past dealings would suggest he doesn’t understand the value of good defense?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the addition of Griffey's bat...

he has been tearing it up the past 30 games. And getting rid of Masset is adition by subtraction. I just fear that Ozzie will stick him in CF since he was a Gold Glover eons ago.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Ozzie is willing to sit Paulie

there isn’t going to be a lot of deference paid to vets. Ozzie understands defense. So does Kenny. Why assume the worst?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

its what he does

but to be honest, i am little skeptical of ozzie’s use of him too.

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'll bitch and moan when i see it

until then, i’m assuming they know KGJr hasn’t played a credible OF defense in years

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I have learned to trust KW, this year has turned me over on him after really being down with the horseshit moves of Pods and Erstad in 2007.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

2007 was a rebuilding year

the only way the McCarthy-Danks trade makes any sense is if you’re putting off competing for a year. We didn’t expect to tank that badly I’m sure, but it wasn’t going to be an ALC winner.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no where.

i just have faith in Kenny and Ozzie.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What I really want to know

I’m guessing there’s no compensation for buyouts?

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

When does the Nick Magic wake begin?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

jim?

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Any chance he'll be in the lineup tonight?

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The Reds just played at home yesterday so it would be a quick flight...

but who knows.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Score is saying that...

Griffey is going to play CF, Swisher is going to play 1B, and Thome and Konerko will platoon at DH.

If true, this should be interesting…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I won't believe it until I see it

because that’s insane. If you’re relegating Konerko to a platoon, there’s no reason to take the better defensive player and put him at first.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who is on the Score right now that's worth paying attention to anyway?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I take everything from the Score...

with a huge grain of salt, but if Griffey is the everyday CF, the Sox got worse by this trade.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he isn't.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where does he play then

Do they put him at first? DH him and move Thome to first? I like his bat, I just don’t see the fit on this team. Maybe Kenny has a three way trade in the works to move Konerko to AZ and send Street to the Sox.

by Off the bus running on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh.

Platoon with Konerko at first. Done.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would he have agreed to the trade

to be part of a platoon though?

by Off the bus running on Jul 31, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's a lefty

he’d be playing basically every day and he’d be the first lefty off the bench as soon as the starter is out.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't mind that at all

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hell no, that'd be terrific

Before Griffey trade: Dwayne Wise is the first lefty off the bench
After Griffey trade: Griffey is the first lefty off the bench

That’s called improvement!

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A Griffey Sox jersey

That’s gotta boost some sales, no?

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still need a Q jersey

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why do people actually thing that Griffey will be coming off the bench?

C’mon…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what about dwayne wise yo?

dwayne wise!!

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Again, like everyone else has stated

We’ll believe when we see him out there at CF. I buy the platoon at 1st, maybe some DH theory a lot more, considering how atrocious Griffey is defensively now.

What does this do to clubhouse chemistry? Doesn’t Jr have a bad reputation for being a me-first kind of dude? I know he’s probably just a rental, but this kind of stuff matters during a playoff race.

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe he'll snap out of it

realizing this is his last shot at a ring?

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, he'll just have to wait his turn

to use the official scorer’s hotline phone. Sorry, Jr, there’s a line.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Jul 31, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think its Richar & Broadway for Jr.

"Stay thirsty my friends."

by oahu420 on Jul 31, 2008 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Masset.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We were half right

"Stay thirsty my friends."

by oahu420 on Jul 31, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We're on the better side of that deal

If it’s true…

"Stay thirsty my friends."

by oahu420 on Jul 31, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Masset and Richar for Griffey; Reds and Sox to split Griffey's remaining contract...

ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick wrote:

CBS Sports.com reported that the Reds will receive pitcher Nick Masset and infielder Danny Richar in return, but that couldn’t immediately be confirmed.
Sources said the Reds and White Sox will essentially “split’’ what remains on Griffey’s contract this season, along with the cost of his $4 million buyout for 2009.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

there's no chance at compensation, right?

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why Not?

True, we’d have to offer arbitration and have Griffey refuse, but the compensation formula seems to have a long memory. Maybe a little of the “OMG, ITS KEN GRIFFEY JR! ITS THE KID!!” mojo rubs off?

by Landfill on Jul 31, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I figured that because we're buying him out, that somehow that causes you to forfeit the

comp. But if all we have to do is offer arb thereafter, that would be sweet. And Elias doesn’t have any decent defense metrics. There was a blurb on Tango’s blog about some guy who’s close to unlocking the formula for it.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

From what I've heard

Even after a buyout, we can offer arb and get comp. if he declines.

by Qucifer on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Confused by the "if he declines" comment

but otherwise that’s sweet.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Declines arbitration

by Qucifer on Jul 31, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh, right. duh.

i am totally into this trade.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

By my rough calculations

We’re getting about $5mil in cash. Makes this look all the more better. And I’m trusting KW and Ozzie on the D.

by Qucifer on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This will likely give us a league average first base

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Stone on the score

Talking about getting rid of Swish.. also saying that when we can go out to win we need to do so. Also said Oakland would love to get Swisher back.

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Rumormongering is what the internets

er. the radio is for.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i just can't see kenny parting with swish for street

especially since we just sold the farm for him months ago

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

Well to be fair I tend to trust Stone over most other radio guys…

I really don’t see the Sox getting rid of Swisher though… Why not package BA and someone else?

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stoney has lost his mind if he thinks Swish is going anywhere

Kenny and Swish are BFF

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's trying to hard to prove point

He keeps saying its not about personalities, its about winning. Maybe he doesn’t like Swisher or something… who knows. He sounds pretty dumb.

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously. He is way too valuable as a switch-hitter and spiritual leader.

And multi-positional – let’s get everyone else secured and then put Swisher wherever there is an open spot. Who even cares where he is?

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Basically.

But that does have to mean no to Griffey in center. But he can play everywhere in the OF and 1B and he’s locked up for cheap. He’s an outstanding value all the way around.

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am positive about this move - not cursing KW til my death or anything, no matter how much estrogen courses through me.

But honestly, only time will tell.

I don’t think it’s enough to just have Ken mutha-fuckin’ Griffey Jr on our team.
His presence doth not a pennant guarantee.

But he just might work out for us – at the end of his career and hungry for a ring. I’ll take it! If there is any indication of how mental this game is, let us glance in PK’s sullen direction.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well this doesn't suddenly give us a frontline starter

But it’s a significant upgrade that cost us jack shit. And now I get to update my google doc!

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by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can actually see you pushing your thick-rimmed glasses up on your nose.

:)

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Jul 31, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That cardboard cutout isn't going anywhere...neither is the real-life version

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh snap

Laurance said he’s going to talk to Stone about moving Dye to free up a spot…

no fucking way

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Pretty much bullshit...

Why would the Sox trade their second best hitter to add Griffey?

One possibility would be for the Sox to move Dye to 1B and stick Griffey in RF with Swisher in CF but I don’t see that happening.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Laurence can be a big idiot, especially with Baseball. He’s better with football.

The Score is good for comedy for the most part

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would love that. But yea, I don't think it will happen.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

God the Score is so atrocious

When Waddle and Silvy is the most bearable local program during the day, something is afoot.

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I don’t like MIke Murphy and the stupid Brown’s Chiken plugs, but I reallllly can’t stand Boers and Berstein. Oh they really rub me the wrong way.

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Jul 31, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

I like the show… those two crack me up.

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

The Sox are going to trade Dye as he’s in the midst of yet another great season? That doesn’t make any sense unless they are getting another big bat back, and that just doesn’t seem very likely at all.

This is all speculation, and it’s garbage speculation at that. How do these guys get paid to talk such nonsense.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

because people listen

"Lemonade was a popular drink back in the day and it still is.."

Gangstarr

by Big Daddy Kool on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

because most people are dumb, that's why.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My 2 fav callers today

Happened to be Flubs fans

The first “couldn’t understand how Sox fans could be so negative. If the Cubs had JR he’d be positive about it”

The Second “wanted to compare the Cubs trades this year to the Sox trades”

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever happened to logic on the radio?

Did it die the same day it died on SSS? Or has it been a while?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sports radio in Chicago is pathetic...

As bad as Konerko has been, they have been talking about how a platoon of Anderson and Wise would be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

MMM

sliced bread…

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My cousin thats staying with me for a month

eats about 4 to 6 pieces of bread a day, no joke.

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I will never forgive KW for this...

To everyone asking if KW has lost his mind: the answer is yes. I am really hurt and angry by his decision. Who never loved KG Jr.? That’s not the problem. The problem is that his own Reds fans have booed him because he’s so slow in the field. He may bat better than Richar at the moment, but give it a year and we’ll see. I’m all for “old guys” trying to go out in glory, but don’t let it be at the expense of our young, budding talent. Richar was a great prospect and a solid ball player. He often made integral plays that may have not gotten the attention that was deserved. He got injured and I sent the man a get-well card and let him know that there were people in Chicago that appreciated his playing-now what do I tell him? :( Anyway, I was really waiting for the day we saw Richar on 2nd and Alexi as SS. As I have been, I will wear my Richar jersey proudly to every game and I will curse KW’s decision until my death. You wanna’ talk about a trade? -- Let’s get KW outta’ there for someone who has better sense.

by DavidIt'sMe on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs

Wow, you have oudid KenWo, congrats!

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hawk is the guy who really values our exceptional talent

let’s get KW out and Hawk in.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hawk would bring back the one-dog.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I miss Lance Johnson

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I looked up his stats awhile ago

He actually had some pretty good years for a CF.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wayne Tolleson!!

by The Actual El Guapo on Jul 31, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I liked Tolleson

But we gave up way too much for him. Scott Fletcher was a better player straight-up and we threw in a really good starter prospect in Ed Correa.

by Landfill on Jul 31, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hawk already had one go-around, iirc

he was the one who traded Bobby Bonilla for Jose DeLeon

by southsideirish on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

" Let’s get KW outta’ there for someone who has better sense."

Uhhhhhh…. he’s done pretty damn good all things considered.

What place were the Sox supposed to be in?

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Estrogen

it’s a crazy drug

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

funny guy

OK—-that was a good one, cheat

by DavidIt'sMe on Jul 31, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You don't really want Williams gone

He is one of the best gms in the game. We are lucky to have him. Personally I don’t question Kenny’s moves at first anymore. He’s proven to me he knows a lot more about baseball than I do.

by BoxingHideout on Jul 31, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also

Why do you love Richar so much?

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Richar love...

First, I’m the type of person who loves baseball for the game itself, but also for the ethos and philosophy that fuels it. I appreciate stats, but I’m more into the story.

Richar made solid plays (especially when we would really need a double play or base hit), had a good attitude, and played behind the scenes to allow for some historical moments (i.e., set up to allow for Thome’s 500th walk-off). Also, his debut was my debut back in the ballpark. I’m a native South-Sider who returned to the ballpark that day with a renewed and deep love and passion for being able to once again watch live Sox games. It was as if I was renewing wedding vows and Danny was getting married for the first time that day. (I know I’ll get nailed for that analogy.)

Be honest, boys: Don’t we all have that player that we had to “mourn” their trade?

I’ll back out of the discussion now. Just wanted to say my bit.

by DavidIt'sMe on Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You just called the Boers and Bernstein show didn't you?

Your name is Megan right?

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep...

Never called before, probably not again…but I had to say something after they were laughing about Richar. Just had to say that. Just had to let them know that there’s some Richar love out there : )

by DavidIt'sMe on Jul 31, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just Checkin

Thought it had to be you :)

by 815Sox on Jul 31, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

WS rings w/ KW as GM...One...

...w/you—NONE.

by RoyEgan on Jul 31, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This guy is not for real.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how am i the only one to rec this?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did as well

I want visitors of SSS because of the trade to look upon this post as an overview of high level baseball thinking that the Sox are known for.

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life

by Hawk is God on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Konerko does have .70 OPS career platton split against LHP

.891 OPS career wise, so if he’s only in against LHP that will help. Sample size from this year (50 AB) too small to really garner anything, all he has been garbage in that small time.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs