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The Sox just traded for Ken Griffey Jr.

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http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8398348/Reds,-ChiSox-agree-on-Griffey-trade,-await-approval

 

Not really sure what this does to our club, but, we shall find out.

I imagine that he will play center, maybe some at the corner outfield spots if Q or JD needs a day.  But, Swish and Paulie's roles with the team will be drastically reduced.  My question is, where is the pitching?

It is unknown what they gave up in the deal, so It could possible lead to something else.

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No.fucking.way.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 7:32 AM CDT   0 recs

Wait...

how does this reduce Swish’s role?

The Twins are not good, please stop posting their score.

by defensive indifference on Jul 31, 2008 7:57 AM CDT   0 recs

What!?!?

My dad called me on his way to work to tell me this, and I don’t get this at all. Does Kenny like to make trades that no one expected, even if they dont make any damn sense? This has to have a corresponding move. Konerko traded? Please?

by JoeCoolMan24 on Jul 31, 2008 8:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Griffey is going to play center. Swish and Konerko would have to split time.

Konerko has no trade rights and…he sucks…in my opinion (which isn’t worth anything) it would be tought to get anything for him

by PVL on Jul 31, 2008 8:04 AM CDT   0 recs

griffey playing center would be insanity. he was atrocious five years ago.

Some numbers:

Center Field

UZR: -46 runs per 150 games (2003-2006)
PMR: -44 outs per 150 games (2005-2006)
RZR: -36 outs per 150 games (2004-2006)

Right Field

UZR: -16 runs per 150 games (2007)
PMR: -14 outs per 150 games (2007)
RZR: -22 outs per 150 games (2007-2008)

Say what you will about individual defensive metrics, but we have a mountain of evidence that Griffey is one of, if not the worst everyday defensive player in the game. You’re talking about a guy who’s a -15 run corner outfielder when he’s completely healthy, which he never is. He’s impossibly bad and quite likely worse than Raul Ibanez with dust in his eye, meaning that even if he were a plus hitter – which he isn’t – he’d still be giving everything right back in the field. When MGL called him the worst player in baseball, he wasn’t kidding around. Griffey’s got a convincing argument.

So we’ve established that Griffey isn’t a good hitter, and he isn’t even good enough to be an awful fielder. There has to be an upside, right? What would he do for us?

http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2008/6/4/546195/three-guys-who-agree-on-ev

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 8:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Seriously, Kenny has gone insane...

Posters here thought it would be ridiculous for Kenny to give up prospects for a reliever.

This move is amazingly insane unless there is more to it.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 8:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huh

had no idea that griff was awful. hmm, this makes less sense. even if he was average, the best situation would be for him to platoon (griff accepting that is less likely) with BA and move swish to 1st, but now this makes no sense.

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

me hopes now

there is no clear upgrade here. unless he can move griff to another team with relief pitching available.

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if he approves

i’d imagine one of konerko, thome or swish are going out in another trade for pitching. i know its a stretch but konerko to az? he does have a home there.

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 9:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

not. happening.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah sorry, just got a bit panicked

when i saw thome to oakland rumors, which didn’t make sense at all.

by Illini0509 on Jul 31, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if you see the rumor, that means the trade already fell through

the only trades KW completes are ones you don’t hear about.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he also completes the ones

that fell through 3 yrs ago.

He’s got some kind of Tenacious D.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Jul 31, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

RedReporter guy here

Trust me, you don’t want Jr. playing ANYWHERE in the OF, and definitely not CF. I’d say he could DH and become a pretty damned good hitter again, but I don’t see how that happens with Thome there.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Jul 31, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

JCH

Can he play first?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe

but he never has here. (also a Reds guy)

Hopefully you guys will drop him down in the order also

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 31, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They tried to talk to him about it

But he wouldn’t warm to the idea from my understanding. It’d be great if he could, obviously. FWIW, I’ll be rooting for the Sox, Junior really deserves to get a ring.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I tell you one thing

The Sox just added quite a bit of salary for next season and the remainder of this one, unless someone expensive is on the way out.

As long as the package was a couple of “b” prospects my intitial thoughs are to like this deal. Griffey would be a hell of a 4th outfielder, and as long as he’s treated that way this move should help the club win this year.

But where will he play? Maybe the Sox’ scouts have vetted Griffey and think he can play CF every 3rd day or so.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 8:15 AM CDT   0 recs

Just looked at the platoon splits for 08

110 OPS+ against RHP, that’s a very usefull bench player. Shit, if this move means that the Sox are willing take on salary to get a bench player I’m all for it. As long as Fields wasn’t part of the deal and it’s someone like Broadway/Egbert/Haeger etc I’m happy.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 8:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm guessing at least Broadway is headed to the Reds...

Isn’t he a groundball pitcher? He would make sense for the Reds in that stadium.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 8:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's a suck pitcher.

and isn’t he not in the trade?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what site do you see the ops+ splits stat

i am ony seeing the conventional obp and slg on espn

thanks in advance

by The Scoper on Jul 31, 2008 10:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

it seems that is 110 tOPS+

which is OPS relative to the player’s team as opposed to sOPS+ which is relative to the majors

by The Scoper on Jul 31, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Reds fan here.

So what are the odds that the Reds get Quentin? A little, right?

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 31, 2008 8:37 AM CDT   0 recs

LOL...

None whatsoever. Why would the Sox make such a trade?

It is for two minor leaguers, according to WSCR 670 “The Score” here in Chicago. Righty starting pitcher Lance Broadway is probably one of them.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn.

What the story on Broadway?

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 31, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's the second coming

don’t you know?

He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 31, 2008 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as it isn't the second coming of Josh Fogg

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 31, 2008 9:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well then your kind of screwed.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

uh oh.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ROTDFLOTL

that’s rich!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Where does he play?

If the Sox are willing to risk Thome at 1B and plug Griffey in at DH against righties, that would make some sense. (Who is more likely to get injured at 1B, Thome or Junior?) If Griffey gets any time in the outfield, or takes at-bats away from anyone not named Konerko, this trade is a downtrade from what the Sox already have.

As mobility-challenged Reds go, I’d much rather have Dunn, but I imagine Jocketty wasn’t asking for a lot for Junior.

by asinwreck on Jul 31, 2008 9:08 AM CDT   0 recs

you can have Corey Patterson

he’s real fast

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jul 31, 2008 12:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Il take him

He’s better than Konerko and the outfield is shitty anyway. fuck it. lets roll with Griff

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:22 AM CDT   0 recs

that's the spirit!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

forgetting about the baseball side of it....

We just traded for KEN GRIFFEY JUNIOR. If he approves, he is immediately the best player to ever play for the White Sox.

I actually don’t even care if this improves the team or not. I’m sure whatever the Sox gave up amounts to nothing more than a marginal prospect or two, and once again: it’s KEN GRIFFEY JUNIOR. If this season doesn’t end with any playoff success, we can always say that Griffey played for the White Sox. And that’s fucking awesome.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:26 AM CDT   0 recs

Canseco was good on the sox

a lot more productive than jeff liefer was.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh

relaxes

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Frank Thomas is the best sox player of all time

and if you don’t agree with that youre out of your mind

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

joe morgan would be pleased.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he's not necessarily disagreeing with your choice as Frank

so much as “if you don’t agree wit that you’re out of your mind”

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jul 31, 2008 11:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe this trade rejuvenates him and you catch lightening in the bottle

i can see it happening. I agree with Paco here. I refuse to let you stat nerds get me down about this deal. It is Ken Fucking Griffey.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:28 AM CDT   0 recs

i didn't say he's the best WHITE SOX player of all time...

I said he would be the best player to play for the White Sox. Two different things. Also, if you’re suggesting that Frank Thomas has had a better career than Griffey, you would be incorrect. Offensively, I might give a slight edge to Thomas, but Griffey was one of the greatest defensive outfielders of all time.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:35 AM CDT   0 recs

No no...i am just saying Thomas was the best White sox of all time

which larry is denying because he is a loon. You are absolutely right Paco… I am kind of excited about this. Jim Edmonds was supposedly done and he’s been money for the Cubs. I think Griffey will be awesome for 2 months. That is all we are asking from him.

Plus who is in center anyway? Swisher? Griffey isn’t going to be that much of a down grade in center. Plus his offense is better than Konerko. So you will be gaining.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you hate frank thomas. clearly.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

as well as children, puppies, and sunny days.

clearly

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

huge downgrade in Center

look at Larry’s defensive stats above

-Jeeves Life in the Cell

by jeeves on Jul 31, 2008 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

larry is denying because he is a loon

airtight logic there kenwo

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and as we have said...

even if he sucks, it’s Ken. Griffey. Junior.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:39 AM CDT   0 recs

sweet. let's sign willie mays, too.

he’ll suck but it’s willie. fucking. mays.

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Good point...

Frank Thomas is still playing… do you want him too PacoMartin? Because Griffey is virtually a DH these days.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Jul 31, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Frank will still hit better than Konerko

I think he has almost as many homers and has been out since may. Not to mention a better batting average

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

don't waste your time checking the stats. just guess. it's easier that way. plus stats like hr's are tough to find.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 31, 2008 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   1 recs

you guys all forgot harold

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Aug 3, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Griffey is better than Konerko.

I don’t care if he hits in a wheel chair. He will hit better than konerko. If we finally get that fucking jagoff out of the line up it is the greatest deal we could have made.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Jul 31, 2008 9:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes PK sucks now

But we should be more subtle with our insults. He did help to win a WS.

But yes throw him off the fucking bus!

"We're the bitch of Chicago, we're the Chicago bitch."

by rangerjae on Jul 31, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

everyone whines about Konerko...

then complains when they get a top 10 player of all time, albeit an aging one, for what I will assume is practically nothing, will presumably take away at bats from PK. Maybe Griffey catches fire; maybe not. But for me, wins and losses aren’t the only important part about being a fan. I grew up idolozing Ken Griffey Junior, and to see him play for the Sox would be amazing.

And no, I will not get off of your lawn.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 9:45 AM CDT   0 recs

top ten player of all time?

you realize they played baseball before 1980 right?

by larry on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You are.

I don’t understand fans that root for players over the team, it’s like people that stopped liking the Sox when Rowand was traded. Good riddance I say.

by madvillian on Jul 31, 2008 9:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm not rooting for players over the team...

I just always loved Ken Griffey Junior. Shoot me. I apologize for not being an old coot who is disenchanted with life.

What’s your argument against the trade anyway? I guess we can’t judge it until we know who the Sox would be giving up, but I’m sure it’s no one terribly important.

This is all I’m saying: I’d love nothing more than to see this team win. Who knows how this turns out, but we can always look back at the 2008 season and say that Griffey played for the Sox. If you can’t understand that you can enjoy your baseball team in other ways than just winning, then I feel sorry for you, because you have forgotten that it’s a game.

Also, don’t call someone a fucking idiot, give no argument, and then say no offense.

by PacoMartin on Jul 31, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

which hypothetical end of the season would be a success?

Option 1: Sox dont trade for Griffey and go on to fight for the AL Central down to the wire with the outcome to be determined

Option 2: Sox trade for Griffey and absolutely suck for two months and finish behind the Twins and Tigers while barely holding off the Indians for third

by The Scoper on Jul 31, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

obviously...

the first one.

But, why am I only allowed to like a trade based on strictly how it affects wins and losses? All I’m saying is that it’s going to be pretty fucking cool to see Griffey in a Sox uniform. And I don’t really care if it doesn’t drastically improve the team. What else was out there at that cheap of a price?

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