Pablo Ozuna DFAd - South Side Sox

FIRST TO STOMP ON OZUNA'S GRAVE!

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

It would shock me if you didn't have his obit prepped already:

“My Favorite Pablo Moment” ought to be forthcoming, no?

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Walking off the field on a clearly broken leg

It almost made me sad to know that he would be gone for the rest of the year… almost

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jul 8, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Like Bo Jackson's Sox days

Limping around the bases after smacking a dinger, with Rock Raines making fun of him. Good times.

Think he’ll catch on anywhere?

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

charlotte.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

With Wachovia and B of A sucking mud, the Dominican is more desirable.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it wasn’t really meant to be funny. i said previously that i think ozuna would be amenable to accepting an assignment to charlotte, should the sox ask him to. if they don’t and he does become a free agent, i’m not sure i’d expect him to immediately be picked up and put on a major league roster so then pick another AAA destination.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's how good you are - funny when not attempting humor

It’s a shame he probaly won’t be sought out at the ML level, just because seeign someone become Crash Davis is always tough. But baseball’s a preferable job than many others.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no animus towards Pablo either

I’m happy he got his million dollar payday. It makes it easier to see the Sox make this move, which I think is the right one.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 8, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Getz, Richar and Fields

are going to make PT tough, but I bet the Sox find room for him. We seem to treat our ex-players very well, which I like. Being an ex-pro athlete is probably tough to come to terms with.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wait 'till you're an ex-pro student.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fo' reals

Tough transition to make. Getting up everyday before noon, going to meetings, interacting with a bunch of people you don’t really like, being accountable. It all sucks.

When Pablo’s name shows up in the lineup, I die a little inside. - OM

by rhythm on Jul 8, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, a man happy with his work

Especially the interacting with a bunch of people you don’t really like part. What a picnic you have made with your life!

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't talking about me

I was trying to demonstrate to colintj how excellent having a job as a pro student really is

I actually like my job, surprisingly enough

When Pablo’s name shows up in the lineup, I die a little inside. - OM

by rhythm on Jul 8, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

how do you get one of those things anyway?

one you like i mean

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Have extremely low expectations?

For you, at least.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's certainly a start

but also be sure to over educate yourself, thus ensuring that you will be poor for a significant amount of time, then you end up being more appreciative of whatever you get. Graduate school is good for this, because you end up getting paid while going to school, but you may also consider going for a second or third bachelors, or joining the peace corps.

I’m not suggesting med school, business, or law school because they are too short and you aren’t stupid enough for med or business school, seeing as you can actually spell and figure out how to post things on SSS, nor a large enough a-hole for law school.

Have I offended everyone yet?

When Pablo’s name shows up in the lineup, I die a little inside. - OM

by rhythm on Jul 8, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you left out the blacks.

how’s that for icing on the cake?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you know if you guys started passing the hat around

i wouldn’t ever have to get one.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

street-wise!!

i see you ending up in sales.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i did consider creating a pablo ozuna: a remembrance fanpost

but i couldn’t really think of anything that was really that memorable that i wanted to write about extensively. he wasn’t truly and spectacularly awful like masset was. he was just generally replacement level. which is somewhat boring.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no idea what we are going to talk about on this site now that our

2nd favorite whipping boy is gone.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well Cowley is mighty confused as to how Uribe is a better player than Ozuna

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jul 8, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

if you look at their current numbers, one might get that impression. it’s not like uribe has been tearing things up this season. i think we all hope that uribe will pick it up offensively but, from the way ozzie has used the two this year, i’m not sure you can make a clear argument either way. what one would base that argument on, and what we all pretty much argue, is that uribe should be able to play third and his defense overall is better than ozuna’s and that should outweigh any difference in offensive value going forward (or that uribe can’t possibly be this bad the whole season). but it’s not like juan was making this a blatantly obvious decision with his play.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still don't get why Ozuna was playing 3B over Uribe up until this week...

when the Sox view Ozuna as less useful than Uribe.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the "sox" are not quite a monolithic organization.

i would imagine that, despite what we view as an obvious choice, this wasn’t necessarily a unanimous, slamdunk decision made weeks ago by all the people with input on the decision.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and maybe the Sox were showcasing Ozuna? who the hell knows or cares

at this point.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt it...

Ozuna is a 34 year old player with not much talent or skills. He is the type of player who makes it through waivers all the time.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could just be the most simple answer.

Uribe had not had enough practice over at third yet, and they thought on that day Ozuna was more prepared. May have liked the pitching match up’s those days for Ozuna.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 8, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has Cowley been unconfused about anything?

In May it was “Uribe almost gone”. In July it was “Uribe trade talks heat up”. He didn’t write ONE EFFIN word of speculation about Ozuna being odd man out until last night’s Twitter, after it was obviously leaked to him.
For this great “access” we pay for the S-T?

Lastly, there were numerous posters at SSS who made the case to DFA. Props to them.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hold on there, cowboy

throwing around “we” pretty casually there.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hee.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

who the fuck pays for the sun-times? or the trib for that matter?

print media is dead my friend. i can understand the wsj, but even that is unnecessary these days.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe I should've said "the S-T pays him for this"?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that sounds good. and helps explain why these companies are fading away.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that was my reasoning for posting it last night

All of Cowley’s Uribe musings have been wishful thinking. I figured since the other option would have to be a Uribe trade, the Ozuna news had to be legit

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who pays for the S-T now?

It’s all available online, isn’t it? Anyway, Cowley should start doing his job. It isn’t his job to float trade rumors nor is it to give his unqualified opinion on who should be staying and who should be going. Beat writer ≠ columnist.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and here's why cowley was confused

“Ozuna hit .391 against lefties this year and .353 in June. Uribe? Well, he didn’t shoot anybody. Kind of a head-scratcher”

we can add some “except…” to all of that. but there you go.

and to answer WU’s question, it’s juan who will be the whipping boy now if he doesn’t improve.

uribe, as far as i’m concerned, needs to either start throwing some serious leather or hit the ball (or, more appropriately, some combination thereof) because, while he’s certainly better than ozuna (or should be), that’s faint praise. with ozuna gone, uribe is going to look a heck of a lot more horseshit. he needs to produce because, frankly, it’s not like we have three shitty defenders who require late inning replacement by a gloveman. they’re all above average. sure, uribe is now (likely) the primary backup and will see starts. but that means he needs to start hitting the ball, too, because his overall production at this point is well below replacement level. and there’s a guy in charlotte – and certainly guys available for a pittiance at the trade deadline – who can produce better than uribe has so far.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree. ozzie needs to get in his ear about putting the bat on the ball. he has looked atrocious at the plate.

though i haven’t seen anything to complain about or praise regarding his defense.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

his offense has been putrid and his defense has been average. usually you want your bench players to provide as least one above average skill or be relatively average over a few areas. i’m not sure juan is doing that right now, though his versatility could be argued. however, with ramirez on the team and cabrera being the proverbial iron man at SS, i’m not sure his ability to play three positions (well, we think he can play third, i guess) goes that far on this team.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he can give above average defense up the middle still

And considering that catchers and SS are pretty much the same offensively these days according to Nate Silver, what’s the problem with having a guy who can be at least average at every infield position? Personally, I’d rather have the depth. Who else are we sticking on the bench anyway at this point? Richar or Getz?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sure, that's the general idea

however, i’m not sure this team particularly needs a guy on the bench who can play SS. i’d have to think about it some more, because there’s the issue regarding how if, god forbid, cabrera or ramirez went down this organization doesn’t have anyone else who can play SS at the major league level; however, setting that concern aside for a moment, the sox are a team that could have someone on the bench who can play “only” 2b/3b/maybe outfield adequately but carried a bit more of a stick than uribe has shown. you know, through more than half the season, cabrera has only not played 35 innings at SS. 2 times he hasn’t started. back up SS, as i’ve stated before, since the acquisition of cabrera, isn’t a huge concern.

but, whatever, if they want to go the safer route and keep a backup SS, i’m fine with that because the difference is probably marginal, at best, and there is some risk.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Uribe? Well, he didn’t shoot anybody."

Journamalism.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They DFA'd Anderson?

Or Crede?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

will hawk make tonight's game now?

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 1:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'll tell you what Feisty

Ozuna is a ball player. He just comes to the park everyday and does his job. He will be missed.

I believe in Harvey, Illinois

by Hazymania on Jul 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was just informed that rowand is pictured on chisox.com for the 32nd man voting

and dye is pictured on the giants website. pretty good cross promotion, eh? obviously the giants realize that if rowand is gonna get in he could really stand to gain the chicago bump.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yep, I saw that...

Funny stuff. Sounds like a little agreement between both teams.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds a little uneven

I suppose JD was a former A, but that’s not quite the same. But whatever, it isn’t a big deal.

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dye was born in Vacaville, California which is near San Francisco.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sunday Sweep Lineups:

2005:
Timo, Widger, Ozuna

2008:
Uribe, Hall, Anderson/Wise

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Based on that, I'd now agree

2008 runs rings around 2005.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

more from cowley

“Talk from here in KC was Pablo Ozuna was not only shocked but very upset. Yes, the decision was made and given in lonely KC.”

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

shocked, huh? well, i feel even less sorry for him now. wasn't he around to see himself butchering 3rd base and never seeing 2 pitches?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

easy, Tiger. Cowley is refering to himself, not Ozuna.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

are you sure? sounds like he's talking about ozuna to me.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

joke

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no habla ingles.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Understand the upset, but shocked?

Like the kid who fails every exam, then is surprised he’s put on academic probation at the end of the semester.

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 8, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Equated to Willie Randolph's firing in LA at 3 AM, I'm sure

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Idiots

I cannot believe all the people who like this move. Are you guys crazy? Juan Uribe is absolute garbage. Why is he still on the Sox team? Stuff like this really pisses me off. Juan Uribe does not deserve a free pass any longer. Pablo Ozuna is a better player tahn Juan Uribe.

by Y2Jimmy0 on Jul 8, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Do you normally post at WSI?

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with nothing you wrote

other than juan uribe does not deserve a free pass any longer. you’re in the crosshairs, juan.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Juan definitely low man on the totem pole

“I’m just happy to be here” doesn’t cut it any more, kid.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Widest part of any structure

by Brush Back on Jul 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you know you're hanging by a thread when ba has played circles around you this season.

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Better player at what?

Dominoes? soccer? Pablo certainly doesn’t have more value to this team than Uribe. Having Pablo as our only backup infielder would cause the pitching staff to revolt.

by Off the bus running on Jul 8, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let me try to explain it to you.

They both suck offensively. Uribe can play an average to above average SS. Ozuna cannot. In fact we do not have another player in our system that can play even passable MLB SS defense. It was really a no-brainer without some corresponding move to acquire a backup SS. So it was either trade Uribe while receiving a SS in return or DFA Ozuna. There really were no other choices outside of sending Wise or BA down.

by bhoov on Jul 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's nice to know that logic wasn't killed.

at least within the white sox organization. while a (very) marginal move, it certainly was the correct one.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed...

When you now have Wise and Anderson available to pinch-run, Ozuna was pretty much worthless.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Especially since Wise and Anderson appear to have a clue at the plate

particularly Wise. The usual age 31 breakout!

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wise's numbers will probably look Neifi Perez-esque by the end of the season...

but I like him better than Ozuna.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You forgot "clearly"

by Grinder in Training on Jul 8, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

tahn... the new teh.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i miss teh

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go Go Gadget Suckfest!

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man, Cowley is pissed...

Joe Cowley wrote:

Ozuna hit .391 against lefties this year and .353 in June. Uribe? Well, he didn’t shoot anybody. Kind of a head-scratcher.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

F you Cowley

Uribe is twice the man Ozuna is.

Property of: PAUL KONERKO Track and Field Academy & Steakhouse

by thecip on Jul 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by weight?

sorry, i couldn’t resist

"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 8, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I totally left it open for you.

Property of: PAUL KONERKO Track and Field Academy & Steakhouse

by thecip on Jul 8, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In what world is this a head-scratcher to Cowley?

Has he ever heard of defense for your backup utility infielder? Man, how does this guy have a job?

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ozuna brings more consistency to the plate than Uribe, is a better pinch-hitter and pinch-runner, plus can play all three infield spots, as well as act as an emergency outfielder if need be. He was hitting .391 against left-handers this season, as well as .353 in the month of June.
Uribe was hitting .206 this season with an oh-so-lovely .258 on-base percentage.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But CC is gone...

by Brush Back on Jul 8, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

then they should've dumped Thome?

or perhaps the Cubs could acquire him for CC’s starts against them?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another good point...

Both Santana and C.C. are gone. Ozzie has no reason to keep Ozuna around.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

THAT's why STL wants him!

LaRussa, always thinking, always one step ahead of Ozzie.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He can play all three infield spots?

Since when ?

by Grinder in Training on Jul 8, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

since there are at least four infield spots

it depends upon how you define the “all three” part. conceivably, short center and pitcher are included. i hear he has a nasty split finger.

or you could just focus on the “can” part.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but now we've lost our 3rd catcher, right?

wtf, this season is looking grimmer and grimmer.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

pablo

The Sox have 10 days to waive or trade Ozuna, who played sparingly this season. A source told the Tribune that the Cardinals have some interest in Ozuna.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/07/ozuna-designate.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 1:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Man, the Cardinals sure do love scrub players...

Tony Womack
Scott Speizio
Cesar Izturis
Adam Kennedy
Aaron Miles
...and now Pablo Ozuna.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It takes all of them

to equate to the sum total of David Eckstein’s grit.

Boy, do they miss him. Pablo’s the next best thing.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what about timo?

"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "

by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 8, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forgot about him...

Throw him on the list.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is the LaRussa Way

Who else would keep Scott Hemond employed for so long?

by asinwreck on Jul 8, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or Mike Squires

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or Dave Duncan?

everyone? oh….

He was banned for today partly because he uses bad words (in a mean way; unlike everyone else who only use them when absolutely necessary in order to fight the terrorists)

by whitesoxmatt on Jul 8, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Sox should be able to make a deal for Ozuna, 34, who batted .281 in 32 games with the Sox and can play multiple positions. He also never complained about his lack of playing time. He is 14-for-34 lifetime against CC Sabathia, which could attract several National League Central title contenders now that Sabathia pitches for Milwaukee.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/07/more-ozuna-kone.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

let's make a deal

let’s start the bidding at a sack of shit, shall we? anyone, a sack of shit. all right, half a sack of shit. do i hear half a sack of shit…

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"The Sox should be able to make a deal for Ozuna"

I don’t buy what Gonzales is selling.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

as a translator maybe?

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

does joe mean we continued strong?

’’You need to start the second half off with a good start,’’ third baseman Joe Crede said. ’’I remember in 2005 we started the second half strong and it continued through. It’s definitely important for us to play well in these (division) games, especially with the way the teams behind us are playing. There’s not much room for error.’‘

http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1043740,070808sptsox.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If the roster now sits at 39 why did the sox designate Pablo?

by Seymizzle on Jul 8, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

because they needed room on the 25 man and pablo can't be sent down

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

But this move does free up for a future acquisition by Kenny.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

free up "room", that is.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

something which hasn't been mentioned, perhaps because it's lost in the ozuna-less exuberance we're all experiencing

is that, presumably, jenks is in good enough shape to not be put on the DL.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

good point.

though I guess there’s still time for that to happen.
Ah… on to our next worries!

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is a ridiculous statement, since we'll never know

but I bet if the AS break wasn’t upon us he might’ve been…

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

AS Break: dirty crack?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

BTW, I must be gettting very slow

because I just noticed the heretofore avatar-less person has my favorite picture of all time as his avatar!

Good job, sir. Excellent choice – worth the wait. Still cracks me up.

(I would hope you would work that slide into a power-point for one of your clients. As in “If you don’t take my advice, your business will look like THIS!”.)

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're slow

I mentioned this on the 4th dammit!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember the post

and didn’t know to what the hell you were referring. Now it all makes sense. I thought “14K” meant “14 carat” – like gold. And I still didn’t read closely enough to get the reference.

Just not paying attention.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

is that Eight Belles?

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

as careful as the Sox are about such things, that is a very good sign

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

cowley is mad!

In one of the stranger White Sox moves of the season, the club announced that Juan Uribe has more value than Pablo Ozuna.
...
the decision to make Ozuna the odd-man out seemed, well, a bit odd. Ozuna brings more consistency to the plate than Uribe, is a better pinch-hitter and pinch-runner, plus can play all three infield spots, as well as act as an emergency outfielder.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1044831,ozuna070808.article

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 2:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I feel a lot sorrier for Ozuna than Cowley...

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What a talented writer...

“Odd move in moving Ozuna”

Damn witty article title there, Joe.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cowley = Mothra

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL, too bad his OPS is .475 AGAINST RHP

This is all small sample size, but say it with me now: His OPS is .475 against RHP.

And that June average is based on all of 19 PA. 19 fucking PA.

by madvillian on Jul 8, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alert! Alert! Alert! The terrorists are buying a soccer team (Newcastle United)! Someone call Homeland Security NOW

http://unprofessionalfoul.blogspot.com/2008/07/newcastle-united-falls-into-hands-of.html

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

American Mustache Institute Backs Giambi

http://deadspin.com/5022963/american-mustache-institute-backs-giambi

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i initially read that as another mustache institute...

and said to myself, goddammit, how many are left?

fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!

by MarketMaker on Jul 8, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Other candidates that could or Should have been dropped

Ehren Wassermann, Esteban Loaiza , Mike MacDougal(why is he still here).

by Seymizzle on Jul 8, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

so Paulie could stay at Charlotte? I'm so confused...

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

A spot on the 25-man roster had to be freed up for Konerko, not a spot on the 40-man roster.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thats where I got confused

Thanks for SSH cleareing that up We needed room on the 25 man. I understand now.

by Seymizzle on Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

pablo ozuna, as a player with five or more years of service time, cannot be assigned to the minor leagues without his consent.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which is why "designated for assignment" means...

that the Sox have 10 days to trade, release, or outright Ozuna to the minors (but only with his consent).

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is a terrible move. Personally I would have rather designated Konerko for assignment than Ozuna. This is not good for the team. With Konerko coming back, Swisher will be moved be playing every day in center field…so what in the hell do you need three center fielders for? Wise is a lefty so I could see keeping him…... Brian Anderson should have been sent down if someone had to go. Konerko, Thome or Swisher should not be on the team. One of them has to go and to get rid of Ozuna for one of them sickens me. Ozuna can fill in at any position, hit lefties, pinch run….I am very upset over this.

By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 8, 2008 2:14 PM

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Les Winin needs to spend more time thinking and less whining!

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

these are the people we're going to be hanging out with at the SSS meet-up

if this isn’t enough to get people to sign up, i don’t know what is. fish in a fucking barrel.

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep. what a royal fuckup that will be.

Hee.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still pissed you couldn't move the date

I hope at least someone tapes it and puts it on the site.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

colin, as contributing author, is in charge of a minute by minute recap.

proposed form:

5:48pm: kenwo4life@aol.com queries assistant GM rick hahn about why darin erstad was not re-signed after the 2007 season.
5:49pm: larry, screaming that he can no longer handle the idiocy (despite the event starting only four minutes prior and this being the second question asked of rick hahn), lunges out of his seat and begins to beat kenwo4life@aol.com about the head and face while yelling “what is wrong with you people? OPS goddamnit. it’s simple. so simple. erstad sucks. he’s always sucked.” the children in attendance begin to cry.
5:50pm: larry is removed from the room by white sox security.
5:51pm: kenwo4life@aol.com, after his grievous wounds were attended to, is removed from the room by paramedics.
5:52pm: tomquaid73@hotmail.com asks rick hahn why pablo ozuna was designated for assignment since Ozuna brings more consistency to the plate than Uribe, is a better pinch-hitter and pinch-runner, plus can play all three infield spots, as well as act as an emergency outfielder if need be. He was hitting .391 against left-handers this season, as well as .353 in the month of June.Uribe was hitting .206 this season with an oh-so-lovely .258 on-base percentage.

...

If there's a baseball equivalent to "never fight a land war in Asia," Vizzini might tell us "never buy the decline years of a player."

by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Saved me $18 plus airfare.

Thanks.

CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.

by winningugly on Jul 8, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's about how I saw it going down

I look forward to colintj’s meticulous notes!

When Pablo’s name shows up in the lineup, I die a little inside. - OM

by rhythm on Jul 8, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Done and done mothasuckas

are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM

by colintj on Jul 8, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Richar

Any word on him?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 8, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Jim has word about him almost every night:

http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Minor league roundup:

Charlotte 9, Rochester 1 (8 innings)

Danny Richar went 3-for-4 with a three-run homer.
Paul Konerko went 1-for-2 with a double, RBI and a walk.

Charlie Haeger went the distance, allowing seven hits and a walk over seven innings while striking out five.
Jason Bourgeois had three hits and walked once; Dave Cook hit a two-run homer.

When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...

by Chiburb on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking

maybe they bring him up for a LH bat off the bench…but he isn’t really do much down there by looking at his stats.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Jul 8, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

schuler wants to unload durham/aurilla/vizquel?

“We have a depth of young pitchers,” Schueler said. “If Brian feels like some of these guys can go out and get us some young players – a first baseman or a third baseman or a middle infielder – I think you’ve got to do it. That’s just me. That’s going to be a tough decision on Brian’s part. The main thing is, we’ve got young pitching stacked up and coming.”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/07/SPOO11KUJD.DTL

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/07/SPOO11KUJD.DTL

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Jul 8, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Durham is the only guy who any trade value, but his contract hurts it...

Some team will want Aurilia as a bench guy. Vizquel needs to retire.

by SSH2005 on Jul 8, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's pretty rich

Like NOW the Giants realize they can’t compete and should trade their dead weight…most of which was brought in recently in an foolhardy attempt to compete with “tested veterans”.

by madvillian on Jul 8, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well, in the SJ Mercury News, it was mentioned that the Giants are in the thick of the race in the NL West, 5 games back

and was comparing their position to the ‘97 White Sox. I suppose the fact that Sheuler (sp?) works for the Giants is the reason for the comparison.

What the article failed to mention was that the Giants suck and will not make the playoffs. In addition, the article failed to mention that it was written by the bay area equivalent of kenwo4life@aol.com and that he should be strangled.

When Pablo’s name shows up in the lineup, I die a little inside. - OM

by rhythm on Jul 8, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seems every year one team in the NL

sitting like the Giants are in a shitty division, around 5 or so games out despite being a miserable team around 10 games under, thinks about making a move around this time to go get that player that will put them over the top…to 85 wins.

I have no evidience of those, in fact, it’s probably never happened. But it would be cooler if it did.

by madvillian on Jul 8, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs