Alexei Ramirez is Grindy Enough for All of Us
by The Cheat on Jul 9, 2008 12:34 AM CDT
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PrintOn a day when the White Sox added an infusion of slow at the expense of their grindiest offensive force, it was Alexei Ramirez, the smartest baseballer since Yaz, who made two heads up plays with his feet to give the Sox a 13-inning victory over the Royals.
It wasn't pretty. In fact, I compared the back and forth action to a retarded kid punching one of those inflatable clowns only to get knocked over himself when the clown rebounded. The Sox won, so I'm not quite sure if they're the short-bus rider or the latex inflatable, but I'm not sure it matters. I'll take any win that puts the Sox 15 games over and at a new high-water mark for the season.
Jose Contreras had himself all sorts of troubles early on, and the extra-inning bullpen continued allowing baserunners like crazy. The poor Contreras outing put the Sox in a 4-1 hole early, and 5-3 deficit late, which the Sox offense was able to claw out of against the Royals bullpen.
The Sox bullpen began with 4 innings of 1-hit, no run ball from Boone Logan, Octavio Dotel, and Matt Thornton, which allowed the Sox to take a 11th inning lead. Actually, a variety of events helped the Sox take that lead; a favorable strikezone, a blown interference call, and a 2-run sacrifice fly to be exact. That's right, thanks to a collision on a wet outfield and the wheels of Alexei Ramirez, AJ Pierzynski got credit for the incredibly rare 2-run sacrifice fly.
There's really not much else to say about the play. AJ hit it far, Alexei ran fast, and the Sox scored two runs. It was as spectacular as a sacrifice fly can be, but it's still not exactly exciting to be writing about 90 minutes later.
Ramirez was once again in the middle of the Sox 13th inning rally, hitting a 1-out single and scoring the eventual game-winning run on what was effectively a hit-and-run (though I thought it was a straight steal live) by Orlando Cabrera.
The story of the game, however, will be Scott Linebrink's blown save. The outing sucked, and there's not much I can say to defend it. But I don't think his recent struggles--He's allowed a run in each of his last 4 outings--have anything to do with his recent change in role. From my view from the safety of my mother's basement, where I hear the media spread is much better than KC's, it has everything to do with a REALLY poor changeup and an inability to put hitters away.
Ozzie has said he'll turn to both Thornton and Dotel in the 9th if he needs them later this week, and I can't blame him. The other day, I said I would go with Thornton as my closer in Jenks' absence. But I hardly think Linebrink's return to Earth is anything worth getting worked up about. There's no closer controversy on the southside.
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i agree
linebrink’s changeup looked horribly flat and just either stayed out of the strike zone or floated right to where the royals could hit it hard
it seems like he went to a 3-2 count on a lot of hitters…and still continued to toss up poor changeups that got knocked around….combined with JD’s awful miscue on the game-tying double…it was a disastrous 11th
still sooooo happy to get the win and some more breathing room
vazquez needs another strong outing tomorrow and hopefully beckett is on his game as well in boston
how long before john and jordan danks sit atop the brothers home run list?
i didn't see linebrink pitch
was he missing with his fastball too, or just unable to put hitters away after getting ahead?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
uh...basically both
but mainly he couldn’t put the hitters away at all
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
the fastball seemed okay
the problem was with his changeup and his inability to throw his curve for a strike. In fact, I don’t think a single curve even came close to coming across as a strike.
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
you're right on that one
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
there's just something wrong with his command on that changeup
and he needs to get it fixed….fast
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
fast? eh, it won't be that big a deal long term
Coop I’m sure noticed it. It’s harder for relievers to work kinks out because they get so little time, but the difference between horrible and passable isn’t very big so it’s not that hard to get back to passable.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
A change up that isn't working for a guy in new role?
This isn’t the kind of pitch that works well with the adrenaline flowing. This isn’t his fastball that’s the problem. This is probably why he doesn’t do well with closing. For a changeup to work the guy has to be feeling pretty good. If he’s nervous / anxious or just too pumped up a change can easily get left hanging up. I haven’t paid enough attention to each pitch to see if it’s just mechanical or if there is more to it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
i think it's just him trying to be to fine with all his pitches and trying not to make mistakes
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
I just don't buy nerves when, for one, the data doesn't support it and, two, there's no way a long time major leaguer get flustered by the Royals simply because it's in extras
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Steve Blass/Chuck Knoblauch say otherwise
Not that I am suggesting Liney can’t throw it into the ocean. Guys do have things happen to them for inexplicable reasons.
That being said, I find it hard to believe the issue is his “guts”, or “nervousness”. He may be feeling the added pressure of closing on top of justifying his contract as a setup guy. Who knows?
But if he says he’s not comfortable, listen to him, Oz. Fields isn’t in LF any more, either.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
They call it "Blass disease" because of its rarity and weirdity
but, nonetheless, point taken. If he actually doesn’t want to, don’t make him. But can I get a source on this supposed quote at least?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
i can agree with that
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
Agreed on Linebrink
During Sunday’s game we were up on our feet cheering for quite a long time as he kept getting batters to 2 strikes and then refused to put them away.
It was great to get this win. It would have been heart breaking to lose in such a fashion in the bottom of the 13th. I sure as hell wouldn’t be up and this cheerful had the Sox blown it nor would I have written about the game.
Random question that has really no bearing on anything: Had Masset blown the game and the Russell pitched, would the Sox have turned to one of the starters to pitch relief or is there secretly a position player that could pitch in an extreme bind ala Pablo as the emergency catcher?
Do we see Toby Hall tomorrow after AJ caught such a long game?
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
We shouldn't...
Hall is 0 for 3 against Bannister. Pierzynski is 5 for 9 with 4 doubles against Bannister.
saaaaaample siiiiiiiiiiiize
but he is the kind of pitcher AJ mashes. i’d rather have a healthy catcher than 1 game against the royals, so whatever Ozzie and Herm think.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
On Liney...
In appearances where he lasted at least 0.1 innings, the difference between Liney’s performance in the 7th/8th innings and his performance in the 9th is not statistically significant. When entering the game in the 7th or 8th inning (N=308), he gave up an average of 0.421 Earned Runs per Inning Pitched. When entering the game in the 9th inning (N=39), he gave up an average of 0.377 ER/IP. The two-sample t-statistic for this test comes out to be just 0.33, which means that there is a very high probability that we would see a difference in ER/IP of this magnitude due purely to randomness.
In short, this little test does not provide us with enough evidence to say that he performs differently in different innings. I intended for this to be save situation v. non-save situation, but I figured this would be a good enough approximation since I don’t subscribe to baseball reference.
The data for that came from gamelogs – thank god for the text to columns function!
wow
great stuff rearden
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
So I'm filling out The Ledger for the google doc
And I searched the comments to try to find out how much the Phils are sending us for Thome if/when his option vests and couldn’t come up with anything definitive. Cheat said 4-6 a while back. Anything more certain? I’ve got his ‘09 salary at 7.5 for now. That work for everyone?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
I actually thought the option year was on the Sox
But that’s strictly memory – so I’ll see if I can find anything too
yeah it wasn't specific
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
$5.5 million...
http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=837
Contract:signed 6-year deal worth $85M- + he receives a $10M signing bonus of which $2.5M is payable in 2006 and salaries of $9.5M in 2003, $10.5M in 2004, $11.5M in 2005, $12.5M in 2006, $14M in 2007 and $14M in 2008- + the deal includes a team option for 2009 worth $13M or a $3M buyout- + bonuses he has received: $50K for 2004 All-Star- + he receives a complete NO-TRADE clause- + the 2009 option becomes guaranteed with 1,100 PA combined during the 2007 and 2008 seasons- + waived no-trade caluse to approve a deal to CHW on 11/23/05- + $22M of remaining $46M on his contract at time of trade that sends him to CHW is paid by PHI ($5.5M each season in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009)
Agent: Pat Rooney
thanks for tracking it down
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
type mlb4u in the search box and click on comments
seems you need some memory boosting vitamins
or aren’t you wide awake yet?
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
I don't have as many links at my disposal
since the old laptop went down, a lot of good bookmarks died along with it. RIP, baby.
and I was up before noon today! proud, aintcha?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
That Cowley bloke winds me up
constantly sending texts about the rubbish food in KC. Most people have to pay for their lunch, and there he is whining like a fucking schoolboy
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
Food outside of their BBQ in KC / St. Louis area is pretty god awful, probably the worst in the nation in my experience. I have paid for food in those town’s and not finished it because it was so awful, so getting it free doesn’t mean much. If you travel to the US, do not go there.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Is is that they have their own unique recipes?
or just can’t cook as well as everyone else does?
thanks
Sox fan from England, marching on together
KC and St. Louis are two different areas.
Like trying to lump together Chicago and Indianapolis.
And KC is fine. Been there at least a dozen times, going back in September.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
there are good and bad places to eat
everywhere in my opinion (apart from Scotland)
Sox fan from England, marching on together
I guess my experiences
are not varied enough just from not living there. But the food was awful in both places when ever I’ve traveled through. St. Louis was the worst of all time but the places I went to in KC weren’t great either.
Hoodlight, I don’t know if they were trying to be different.. or just couldn’t do it as well.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
St Louis food is pretty bad
I spent the past year in St Louis for school and I have lost 20 lb without doing a lick of exercise. Thankfully I get to spend the summer in Louisville.
In St Louis,
It all pretty unremarkable. Quite a bit of BBQ and Italian along with the horrendous St Louis-style Pizza with Provell “cheese” (the FDA won’t let them call it cheese).
Louisville serves a lot of southern cooking and Irish/English grub along with quite a bit of stuff from nearby cities (Cinci-style chilli, som Chicago-style pizza, etc.)
2 run SF not exciting?
Helluva play on both ends – great catch, too. And seeing it twice on ESPN, watching someone with actual speed, baseball sense, and talent on our team is exciting to me. And the game getting extended because of it is exciting to me. But that’s just me.
Well, the value of my t-shirts has gone up at least 15%.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
You making a long term play with those or looking to make a quick turnaround?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Long haul for mine, short-term giveaways down here (while he's hot and memorable)
Just increasing awareness. The Q! shirt is giving Jim a decent amount of pub down here.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Speaking of Sugar Cane Ramirez (and his sweet play)...
In 2005, KW brought in a Japanese 2B, mostly sight-unseen, with results beyond our expectations. This year he brings us Ramirez from Cuba, with similar results so far (knock on wood, “tap wood” for any lurking faux Brits). But here are my questions:
I believe I read here that the closest comparable to Cuban baseball is our AA ball, and that Japanese ball is about equal to AAA, with an obviously larger sample size. Does that make the Ramirez acquisition even that more impressive than Tadahito’s? Does it say anything about the Sox Latin American scouting dept.? Is Kenny the luckiest GM around?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Without a doubt this is a better acquisition.
No one else wanted the guy, he got him at age 26 for four years, 1 million per, and so far he’s looked like a better player then the Guch. A shortstop with range, a solid glove, a cannon for an arm, and a solid bat during his prime for 1 million a year? Are you kidding me? This blows the Guch pick up out of the water. I’d say luck, but he seems to know what he’s doing at this point, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
My question about Alexei: As we’ve all seen, the guy adapts probably better then anyone to come through the White Sox, he still doesn’t take many pitches and his OBP is relatively low for a guy with a .300+ average. Will this improve? Does it have to for him to be a valuable short stop? Will patience come with experience, or is this what we have?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
of your questions...
the biggest for me is “valuable shortstop”? If he can, I’d agree that KW won the lottery.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
I'm not sure I know what your saying
Are you saying “He is valuable if he plays as he has so far this year”, or “if he can raise his OBP he would become valuable” ?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm saying that Cabrerra is gone next year, and if Sugar Cane can move to SS
and play even adequately, I’m a very happy person.
Sorry if I wasn’t clearer re “next year”.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
Much better acquisition than Iguchi...
Cheaper, younger, better, and presumably can play a more important position. So far Ramirez’s only weakness is that he doesn’t draw many walks, meaning that his OBP will be very AVG-driven.
just a DYK....
Iguchi has not made an error since leaving the White Sox. 441 chances.
A pretty good streak.
The Midnight Runner (“Alexei’s Midnight Runners,” since he needs more nicknames…?) is more complete of course.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
What about "'Lexie's Midnight Runners"?
Same # of syllables. Great idea, N.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Masset
I wasn’t around for the game thread, but was it mentioned he was tearing up the radar gun? I thought I saw a 96 from him. How off must this gun have been?
Also the same inning he couldn’t hit the strike zone so maybe that’s why he normally doens’t throw so hard, but.. almost every pitch was 94,95. No 92’s last night, could just be a bad gun though.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 8:19 AM CDT reply actions
which shocked me
I then checked on gameday and it was 94 or 95, which is still pretty fast. So take it as you will
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
While Bobby's hurtin' give the ball to Thornton...
...the man can just flat out blow it by hitters, and last night he was hitting corners. What worries me in Contreras. You just never know what you’re getting out there. Wild pitches, a flat forkball, and when he gets behind he throws that batting cage fastball. I have so little confidence in him. My stomach churns with every inning. At least w/ our other starters you can FEEL like they can win even on days when they don’t have their best stuff. Jose is a train wreck waiting to happen. On another subject, OC has been an excellent addition. Sign him for next year, dump Crede, bring up Fields, keep Ramirez at 2nd. OC is a nut, but I want to see him w/ a bat in his hands when the game’s on the line. Can’t say the same for Joe.
Do you think OC would stay for one year or would you sign him long term?
How much are you willing to spend, as I don’t believe he’ll take a one year deal your going to have him through the decline of his career? With our weak farm isn’t it worth adding the two draft picks?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
With Ramirez, Richar, and Beckham around...
Kenny really shouldn’t even consider signing Cabrera long-term, if at all.
Just to be on record
I’m opposed to the White Sox signing a five year old to play shortstop.
Optimist
i'm not
as long as he projects. i bet we could get him for some spongebob merchandise. it’s the new market inefficiency.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
You are the next Billy Beane, that you are
spongebob, ha! Nice play!
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
"Can’t say the same for Joe."
Short memory?
Pitching, defense, health.
kenwo's take
For god sake ozzie….seriously what do you need a flag? How many times are you going to keep running out Linebrink in save situations. I have been saying it for over a week that this guy can’t close. It is painfully obvious yet Ozzie keeps putting him out there. This is going to ruin his confidence if it keeps up and he is going to be ** for the rest of the season. Octavio Dotel was a proven closer at one point in his career. This is the man that should be closing games out. Get your head out of your tushie Guillen and manage the damn game like it should be managed.
Other than that… even though they played like total slop, the manager has no clue on how to manage the bullpen now that Jenks is out and Carlos Quentin hit more pop ups than Willie Mays Hays we somehow managed to win. Any time you can separate is a good thing. And I am upset that Chef Ramsey picked Christina to run his kitchen instead of Petroza. Dont know if you watch Hells Kitchen but it is a quality show.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 9, 2008 12:05 AM
On July 3rd…TC, Scam, Swasfies or whatever and Mike Devereaux all were arguing with me that it doesn’t matter what inning Linebrink comes in…. Obviously it does matter as every time he has come in since he has given up at least one run. Now good ol Mike Devereaux is trying to steal my thunder like he said this first….I don’t think so pal! I called this one before it even started. Linebrink is not a proven closer. He never has been and never will be. He is an 8th inning guy, and a solid one.
Riefert hook me up with a scouting job i will turn the minor league system around quickly.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 9, 2008 12:19 AM
I just got it
Wrestling reference, classic.
This is the kind of jamoke that Cubs fan was talking about in the “Have you seen this sign” post.
It’s likely he DOES listen to ICP and drive a Camaro…
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
actually, ken is a bit more sophisticated than that.
iirc, he’s a teacher and seems pretty normal otherwise. he just holds the usual ridiculous opinions that “normal” fans have.
let’s be honest. we all get into those awkward conversations with these people at work, at family parties, or something. shoot, i had to sit there and just take it as someone at a 4th of july party went on about how dewayne wise was awesome and thome needed to be gotten rid.
you just sat there
couldn’t you smack him upside the head and tell him that thome has been OPSin’ like a mofo for the last month (1.099).
i actually thought kenwo could be an SSS member posting outrageous sarcastic comments, but your observation makes much more sense.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
another thing
do you think guys like kenwo are season ticket holders?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
that guy isn't.
but, christ, talk to some season ticket holders sometime. i don’t know how you can watch that much baseball, especially of a single team, and not have the first clue about who is a good player and who is not.
if the first clue requires using more than the basic stats, then
i’m sure i would be really frustrated. but i think the ‘advanced’ use of stats to predict player’s performance is still an underground phenomenon in baseball. if mainstream media outlets applied it more, i think more fans would do the same.
that said, i don’t think you need sabrmetrics to determine that pablo should be removed from the roster, haha.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't think it's all that hard to discern who is producing and who is not just from watching the game.
you don’t really even need stats to do, at least for offense, it if you watch 81ish games in person and presumably more on tv. who is hitting ball frequently? who is hitting ball far frequently? who is on base frequently? this ain’t rocket science.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
true dat
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
But you do have to take the emotion out of your decision-making
and stats tend to help that process. Folks get attached – must learn to detach and quantify as much as possible.
Except “grindiness.” That tends to trump all, especially on the South Side.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
is there a correlation between grindiness and the
degree of inferiority complex on the south side?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
90% of statistics can be used to prove anything
50% of the time. witness how they were used to show how great pablo was.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
Hence the "tend to help the process"
Shoot, you above all people should recognize a qualifying statement that you can drive a truck through.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
yeah
but its pretty easy to refute any statistical analysis, especially if the methodology is flawed.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Last game I was at got Field level tix behind this ~40 year old woman who'd just had her first kid
Coulda sworn she reads SSS. Was quoting Crede’s LHP/LHB splits and moaning about BA’s lack of a clue at the plate. I was a little turned on, no doubt. Her kid had been to 14 games already and she was as old as the season.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
I love her
Was she hot?
Wait, I don’t care. I love her.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Hey, That's My Wife
Ok, not really. She is ~40 and good looking (great legs) but our girls are (almost) 12 and 9 so, although she is able to give a pithy and succinct explanation as to why Pablo had to go, argue about the changes in Gavin Floyd from last year to this (and from April to June), wax rhapsodic about Robin Ventura and loves the chemistry between Steve Stone and Ed Farmer, the person you were sitting behind wasn’t my wife.
Quick story – I started dating my wife-to-be in the Fall of 1991. We were sitting on the floor of my bachelor pad (big empty room, giant TV, no furniture) watching the ALCS (Toronto v. Minnesota) when the announcer starts talking for some reason about how Jody Reed is one of the best second basemen in the AL. My not-yet-wife turns to me and says, and I quote, “You know, Jody Reed is a good player and he may be under-rated, but he’s no where near as good as Roberto Alomar.” (Recall that, in 1991, Alomar was only 23 and was not yet widely understood to be the HOF lock he became.) I damn near proposed on the spot.
The lesson: marry someone who loves, or has the capacity to learn to love, baseball. It gives you an endless supply of things to talk about.
you bastard
count me as jealous
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
How much for theee leettle girls?
(It’s been done, but I DON’T CARE – I relish the scene.)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
you see how i act on here with stupid people?
not appropriate for polite company. this is where i get it out.
what? we're not polite?
good man for not pummeling him ;)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
i don't treat everyone on here the same.
stupids gets one kind of response. non-stupids get another.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
A sportswriter friend of mine just moved to NYC
He wrote for some podunk paper outside of Sacremento. Big sports fan obviously , but If I have to hear him use AVG as the end all be all of hitting I might just go FJM on him.
I’ve got him reading Athletics Nation at least, hopefully he starts to pickup some sabermetrics.
isn't it a shame that people like you and me have to share the world with the rest of these idiots, larry?
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
yeah you totally belong in the non-idiot group.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
you forgot to add clearly!
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
You OPOS
Speaking of age, where’s your buddy Heinz? Haven’t seen his sunny posts for a few days now.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
This guy is hysterical
I really do want to see pictures of you pounding the living hell out of him next month. I will pay.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
i'm considering creating a diary that's just kenwo's thoughts.
but i’m not sure if that’s just too vicious and will cause undue attention to this blog.
so what time did you give up last night?
8:30 CDT here.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
i gave up when SSH showed up
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
yet another dumb question; this time on walking the batter intentionally
when they walk them, the keeper stands to side and pitcher throws it quite slowly to the keeper…
is the batter allowed to still go for the hit and has it ever happened.. ?
Sox fan from England, marching on together
I’m sure you can find Miguel Cabrera doing that exact thing on youtube or some other video hosting site.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Cheers
found it!!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260622101, I’ll see if they still have it in the MLB.TV archive
Sox fan from England, marching on together
and there was a funny incident
where the pitcher was trying to intentionally walk someone, but accidentally threw is down the middle. All parties involved looked baffled, and I think the ump eventually just called it a ball.
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
twinkiedoodles interested in beltre
http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/24090554.html?location_refer=Twins:highlightModules:3
The Twins have benched Mike Lamb...
Brian Buscher is playing 3B now and is having the typical Twins’ call-up hot streak.
Well maybe some behaviour modification is in order
(spelling so the English hood can understand without having to ask for an explanation)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
If they want a fat dominican who can play
third, send em Uribe and bring Ozuna back. Cowley and I had an all night candle vigil for our lost comprade.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 9, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
two more positions to add to the spectrum?
How the heck is Uribe more valuable than Ozuna? Not only can Ozuna play 3rd, 2nd, and short but he can play outfield. Also, he can play hitter and base-stealer. Ozzie needs to get over his love affair with Uribe and designate him for assignment.
Posted by: Mike | Jul 8, 2008 8:02:08 PM
Only position he can't play
Led the Sally League in catcher’s interference. Got about seven bats lodged in the side of his thigh.
Gunned down runners at an astonishing 97.2 percent, though. And the 2.8 percent were balls that he threw into the scoreboard for fun.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
*through the scoreboard
fixed
...Speaking of which, that KC scoreboard is huge! What a thing of beauty. Hawk was literally in awe of it yesterday.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
What do you expect, he just has to hand the ball to the second baseman.
by reardenmettle on Jul 9, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
i guess he got bored with just running out there and tagging the runner himself...
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i just clicked on the wikipedia link for ozuna in the memorial thread.
some good shit by some ozunamaniac who updated it:
Ozuna can play all three outfield positions and all four infield positions. General Manager Ken Williams has joked that he would consider playing Ozuna at catcher if needed.In 2007 Ozuna was injured in a game against Tampa leading off the 1st inning. The White Sox were 24-20 or .545 and could never push a better winning percentage throughout the 2007 season.
Ozuna was sent down for assignment on July 8th 2008 due to GM Kenny Williams’ hope in Juan Uribe’s .206 average to remain constant as it has for the past 2 years. The Sox sent Ozuna down for assignment justifying, Uribe was able to play all three infield positions (presumably unlike Ozuna), even though Ozuna played more games at 3B and 2B than Uribe has had in the past 3 years.
Never was down about lack of playing time and when given time with the Sox, batted .290. His heart and love for his teammates will never be forgotten
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
i love the connection between his injury and the sox sucking for the rest of the year.
that’s one i hadn’t seen in awhile. the guy at least has a good memory. i’m wondering if hawk wrote this….
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
it's almost like the
podsednik paradox
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
can't find the link
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I prefer the lack of connection between Juan Uribe being a starting SS and not a utility player leading Ozuna to play more at 2B and 3B then Juan.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
pablo!!!! we will never forget you
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
how about the 62 rbi's in 98? i miss him already
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
"Also, he can play hitter and base-stealer."
this is without a doubt the best sentence that will be uttered on this website today.
fuck you, that's my name!! you know why, mister? 'cause you drove a hyundai to get here tonight, I drove a eighty thousand dollar bmw. that's my name!!
So Dye has generally been pretty decent in right this year.
But that fly ball in the 11th…ugliest play by a Sox outfielder this year?
but in a clutch situation...?
easily the worst. dye choked there. i question his heart. and the love he has for his teammates.
in all seriousness, you can’t let that happen in such a situation. inexcusable. you’re slow, JD. back the fuck up.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
Did you see the deluge that was squeegied off the warning track
before the game? Tight hammies + wet grass + possible AS game appearance = conservative OF play.
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conservative outfield play in that situation is not letting a ball get over your head.
rather the whole point of that situation is to prevent the runner on first from scoring. dye royally, royally fucked that play up. i don’t care what the conditions are. you adjust to them and stop the guy from scoring.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
Well, there is that
Like a prevent defence (also for hoodie) giving up a “Hail Mary”. I get it.
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Yea, but you can't just move Q to RF and Dye to LF
That would overturn the sacred ethos of the cosmos and cause armageddon to come in the form of Pablo Ozuna atop a black steed as he rides into the park and throws a flaming spear at the heart of Ozzie Guillen.
Of course the spear goes high and wide and hits a fan.
I couldn't believe how quickly Dye gave up on that ball...
It was almost like Dye thought that he would have a better chance keeping the second run from scoring by playing it off the bounce and winging the ball in.
consider where he was positioned, he probably did.
if aviles fell down.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
Last Night's Game
A win we didn’t deserve but we will take it. Ramirez was great. Linebrink stinks and needs to get his act together or get rid of him. Jose Contreras needs to worry less about Pablo Ozuna and concentrate on pitchhing and learnig to cover first base on a grounder hit to the right side. This was something i learned in Little League
please do. we could certainly use more kneejerk idiocy from the peanut gallery on here today.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
oh. sorry.
it’s the peanut council over there.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
it was a joke
you know those things that are supposed to make you laugh
Sox fan from England, marching on together
nice try. you've posted enough stupid shit on here for me to know when someone is trying to save face.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
i was trying to come up with an analog to 24 inch pythons, too
i knew our resident wrestling aficionado and ardent ozuna hater would enjoy it.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
I'm not saving face
and more fool you for believing half of it
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
Linebrink doesn't stink...
I just think he stinks in save situations. He doesn’t seem to have the guts or the head for it. He gets a guy to two strikes and then throws a meatball.
yo didn't you read reardenmettle's post
i would like to see you back your shit up
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Linebrink doesn't like pitching in save situations and last night he said that he stinks...
Maybe there is more to it than just stats?
And now Ozzie is going to a closer-by-committee...
Who knows, maybe Linebrink even asked Ozzie if he could opt-out of closing?
or he's getting a guy who is in a slump out of a role which draws scrutiny.
he’s gone through similar stretches of poor performance in his career. and he wasn’t closing then.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
amusingly, however,
one could actually use stats to help prove or disprove such a theory. you know, by comparing performance in save and non-save situations? like how people have already used stats to show that the opposite of the theory you posit (that closers aren’t as good in non-save situations v. save situations) isn’t true. smaller sample size presumably for set up men but it certianly could (and maybe already has) been done.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
yo
based on his career stats (maybe someone else can do a better selection, perhaps last 3 years), his save and non-save situations has been nearly identical:
Non save: 288.67 IP, WHIP 1.21, OPS 0.676, 3.02 ERA
Save: 163, WHIP 1.22, OPS 0.686, 3.20 ERA
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
the problem with that, though,
is that the definition of save situation is too broad. i think ssh is getting at that he has trouble coming in in the ninth inning (or whatever the last inning is) and closing it out.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
I don't know what it is, honestly...
but I have heard about Linebrink’s issues finishing games even before he was with the White Sox.
i don't think there's much to it
i’ve looked at his gamelog and there’s not much there i saw to support it. it’s perception more than anything. one remembers setbacks far more. your perception regarding hitting is a good example of this. if someone actually wants to do a legitimate study of it, i’m willing to admit my cursory analysis may be ill-founded. but i and others have generally found the whole “closer mentality” thing to be pretty much baseless.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
you heard about it from who though? guys like Cowley and Phil Rogers
are everywhere and guys like Joe Poz are few and far between. Why would Linebrink be an exception to the general rule? The whole “choking” phenomenon is a case of letting a good narrative interrupt the facts imo.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
characterizing save situation
yeah, got it
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think you see us too frequently over-humping stats...but evidence is pretty crucial to making arguments
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Harvard/Shmarvard: he and Colin should've gotten a room.
Besides, it’s clear that guts and heart trump stats ebvery time.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
I never said that...
but maybe there is more to it. Linebrink prefers not to close. Maybe there is a reason behind that like nerves or something.
i think it's your fault...just leave his ass alone and let him rock out
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
Oh man
I see a sensitive rocker in this picture. I’m feeling a ballad coming on.
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
If we do, should I do a fanpost recap or stick that shit front and center on the main page.
Either way, I hope to use the word “santorum” frequently.
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ohhhh colin you are the best
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
All I know about last nights game is its good to see larry in full mode again!
Makes for great reading.
And I have to agree with kenwo4life – how could Chef Ramsey pick Christina to run his kitchen instead of Petroza? Brought the guy to tears.
That chick was 25 and not authorative at all!
kind of reminded me of Jerry Manuel working in the kitchen. Petroza got on that ugly chick for making sh*tty onion rings and got that team pulled together…that Christina chick was just flopping in the wind like the “L” Flag at Wrigley.
I must say, after reading some of the posts, Larry definetly brought his ‘A’ game today…not sure if it is all the sudafed and coffee bombs he does in the morning or if he is on a twinkie high again.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 9, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Extra pitcher....
Any word yet if Bobby officially went on the D.L., and if so who is being brought up? I would think they’d want that extra arm on hand for tonight considering last night’s game.
Too bad McDougal hasn’t “figured it out” down in Charlotte….it’d be really nice to bring up a guy with his stuff/experience to throw in the late innings. Oh well…
Lucas Harrell
Thought I heard 670 reporting he was going to be brought up, but I havent seen anything thats official yet.
Well, actually it seems like he is pitching well in Double A...
but he doesn’t seem like a very likely call-up.
dont shoot the messenger
just relaying what I heard on wsox here.
he was pitching well in AA prior to his injury setback.
he just got back to bham from his rehab assignments at lower levels and hasn’t pitched there yet.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
He's been on rehab
His last start was in A ball on July 3. It looks like he’s stretched out and ready to go though.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Esteban Loaiza was in the dugout last night
so I’m assuming it is him
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
seriously?
lose the first two heartbreakers and then knock of Beckett? i do not like them.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
you're going to kill me with this stuff
ULTERIOR MOTIVE??!?
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i gotta say i was impressed that he re-posted when boston took the lead.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
lol, nah he did it last night too iirc
SSH is a crusty feller, but his heart’s in the right place. Plus being a new parent has to be a huge mental stress.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Parenting is way overrated
TV raises kids now anyways, what the fuck do adults have to do now?
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know. I'll tell you when I become one.
That could be a ways off though.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Ask your folks - being an old parent is no picnic
Get a job! Save an old person’s life!
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
there's a reason july scoreboard watching isn't good for your health
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
unless the Twins lose. Did you know smiling is healthy?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
one could wait until after the game ends, hmmm
or maybe out of the top of the first at least?
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
details details
*dismissive wave
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
i'm going down with the ship, dang nabbit
they can’t stop me!
the only thing that’ll get me to stop scoreboard/standings watching is if the Sox lose first or the lead gets to be ginormous. even then, though, then it feels good to look.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
I saw this posted at SoxTalk...
From what Mully and Hanley made it sound like, Contreras yelled at Ozzie in a meeting and then stormed out of the room after the Ozuna decision was announced, and then refused to talk with Ozzie during the game.
If true… lol.
That would have been
hilarious to listen to. Neither of them probably understood what the other was saying.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 9, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
We won. Families fight. Arrests are made. Time is served.
Wagons are circled. Resentments are buried.
Until later….
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
excellent.
he’s pitched well enough to deserve a look.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
What, you are blown 4 ways from Sunday on this post
and you don’t take a bow?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Larry is actually
herm schneider.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Jul 9, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
well, i don't think i actually called it.
i wanted carrasco to come up because he’s looked pretty deserving ever since ST (despite his presence in extended ST, which i heard was because of family reasons).
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
I also meant the kudos for yesterday/last night's posts (probably should've said "thread" - still learning)
Take a fookin’ compliment, Fer Chrissakes. And a bow. En fuego, kid.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
uh huh
especially after last night’s long affair
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
was he a long man in Charlotte, or was that just the sort of pitcher they wanted him to be?
old school 2-3 inning guy? i would love to see teams work on getting two really good relievers and work on stretching them out that far so they could alternate every other game or so.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
And I guess this is why the Sox had to DFA Ozuna even with the Jenks to the D.L. move...
The Sox had to free up a spot on the 40-man roster to add D.J. Carrasco to it.
Nice
Carrasco has looked better than any of the other non-Wasserman pitchers for Charlotte and has some MLB pedigree (96 ERA+ isn’t horrible) and is only 31 years old. He should be a useful inning eating reliever for the next time a starter gets roughed up or a game goes extras.
as long as he can get ground balls...
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
He gets a toooon of groundballs
7.4% isn’t really too bad.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Juan "Roider" Rincon is back...
Indians purchased the contract of RHP Juan Rincon from Triple-A Buffalo.
Rincon was let go by the Twins last month after posting a 6.11 ERA in 28 innings and didn’t fare much better at Triple-A after signing a minor league deal with the Indians, allowing seven runs - four earned - in 5 1/3 innings. Despite that he’s back in the majors and will get a look in middle relief.
right I'm being serious now
I’ve never visited the USA and want to come to Chicago some time around next May / June. Thing is, I have a criminal record, although it was some time ago. I’ve heard this can make it hard to get a visa. Is this true? Does anyone have any experience of this sort of thing?
Any advice etc. would be very much appreciated.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
this just gets better and better.
if you’re just coming for a short tourist visit, you don’t need a visa
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
i should qualify that
by saying that i assume you’re not a terrorist or a drug trafficker or a murderer or something like that. though perhaps that’s assuming too much.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
I can't wait
hoodlight = American kenwo4life@aol.com?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
arrested development!
watch the show already!
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
YOU WANT SOMEONE COMING AFTER SOMEONE STUPID IN YOUR FAMILY??!
*holds up very long phone number
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
I would like a restaurant
Where they serve donuts, nachos, and 64 oz colas. It’s like gas station cuisine in sit down form!
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
What did they call that place on the show?
But also, yeah it sounds amazing.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
cool
so they wouldn’t be interested in the past indescretion at all?
I thought everything was a lot tighter since the recent incidents
Sox fan from England, marching on together
depends on the so-called indiscretion.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not indecent exposure?
Good – be sure to bring the missus. I’ll bring the camera.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
you don't believe I'm english right?
how can I prove it to you?
Sox fan from England, marching on together
makes it easier to commit fraud that way
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
read
http://www.travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligibilities/ineligibilities_1364.html
UK is part of visa waiver program. exceptions to that for criminals are largely contained in the above.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
Where did you find that link?
Did you memorize the address?
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
haha
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
state's website is pretty easy to navigate.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
I wonder if one may have found that via google?
you know what I mean?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
i'm sure google would help.
though i have the visa section in my favorites.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
he already told us he has perfect teeth.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
the question then becomes
whether that statement in and of itself ruins his credibility
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
it's fucking with my ability to hang on to convenient stereotypes
so i say yes, yes it does. i need stereotypes like i need oxygen and that 40 year old new mother with Field level season tickets.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Did you combine bukakke and beastiality into one movie?
If so, you may have trouble getting into the U.S.
Pretty sure he was just using his right on that one.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
GO RED SAWX!!!
They just took the lead over the Twinkies, 4-3.
Going into the bottom of the 4th inning.
Sweep would be vuray naice
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
the santorum is going to be flying every which way if the Sawx getterdun
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Fuck...
Beckett gives up a leadoff homer and then a double in the top of the 6th inning. 6-4 Red Sox.
Beckett is out already...
104 pitches in 5.0 IP.
Former Charlotte Knight Javier Lopez in to pitch with a runner at 2B and no outs.
Please stop. Please.
Keep this to yourself. It’s Wednesday afternoon in early July. Fer Chrissakes.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
This isn't the NFL
The 92nd game, or whatever, doesn’t need to be dissected quite yet. Ever heard that you only play to 80-85% of your capacity in baseball because you’d burn out otherwise? Like a long-distance run, gotta pace yourself, can’t sprint for 26+ miles or you get carted off early and don’t finish.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
*sound of tumbleweeds rolling about in the desert*
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
like you'd know jack shit about marathons
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
For the Q! fans out there
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200807093098930
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
not the best produced piece ever
but i like harold reynolds still.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
is it cause he talks to women like you dream of being able to do?
(harrasing)
He was banned for today partly because he uses bad words (in a mean way; unlike everyone else who only use them when absolutely necessary in order to fight the terrorists)
does he? i thought he got cleared of that? or something?
but if so, then yeah. it is.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
robert
Bobby Jenks (15 DXL)
The White Sox have decided to go conservative with Jenks and his back strain. While sources insist that he hasn’t had a setback and that the team seriously considered not DL’ing him, the final decision was that with the retro move in place and the All-Star break coming up quickly, it was better to just go ahead and make the move. “It was to get things clear,” the source told me, “so that Bobby could come in and know, rather than saying he thought he could pitch.” The back injury is definitely an issue, but given the track record of both Herm Schneider and Don Cooper, there’s not a much better situation for someone like Jenks to have this problem. While Jenks’ physical conditioning (or lack thereof) is definitely a concern, some think this could be the kind of wake-up call that Jenks seems to need now and again. He’ll be back just after the break and will slot in as closer without challenge.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7779
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
i haven't seen big boy much this season
but is it a correct assertion that he has not been in shape (i.e., lack of physical conditioning) ??
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
any more so than normal? no
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
that's what i meant to ask
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
That's Photoshopped, right?
No way that’s him in the chest.
But, if it is, we’re in trouble…He’s getting hormone shots.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
how did he not make it on the mitchell list??
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
they don't test for estrogen evidently
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
I don't think Phil uses one of these to feed orphans
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
haha
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on Jul 9, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
they only care about performance ENHANCING drugs, right?
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
those things could match Jesus blow for blow in a feeding contest
if Jenks had 5000 babies and JC had regular dudes
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
from the chicagosports front page
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
what an athlete
the daddy of all fat athlete pictures:
Property of: PAUL KONERKO Track and Field Academy & Steakhouse
no belt completes the classy look.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the cigarette dangling from his mouth
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
shit i didn't even notice that
hilarious!
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
now if he would just replace
his baseball cap with one of those beer-dispensing helmets…
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He would truly become the greatest sportsman ever!
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
CK's article from BP on the Harden trade was really good
That combined with Will’s criticism of the A’s medical staff makes me think Hendry may well have pulled off a very nice move here. Either way, the risk is so low, he could barely have afforded not to take it. Still surprised that Pie or Vitters weren’t in the deal.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
not a guy LIKE sean gallagher...
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
i haven't heard about that? link?
anyway, i rather liked gallagher myself.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
I posted it here...
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/7/8/567433/a-s-trade-harden-to-the-cu#7266593
I guess Beane has scouted Gallagher for years as well.
gaudin addition?
JH: I want Harden
BB: It will cost you Gallagher
JH: I will be a pitcher short if I give you Gallagher
BB: But Harden is a pitcher
JH: ...who doesn’t bat
BB: OK, I’ll give you Gaudin too. And because you’re a nice guy I won’t ask for anything for Gaudin
JH: I can give you Eric Patterson to show what a great guy I’m
BB: Eric Patterson? Deal
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
Two choice quotes from said article:
Naturally, people are already scrambling to credit Beane with the sort of inside information that led him to dump Jeremy Giambi for John Mabry. No doubt they’ll genuflect should Harden hurt himself (again) and assure themselves that Billy must have known—he’s all-knowing and wise, donchaknow. It is not Beane’s fault that people are ready to home-brew their Kool-Aid so quickly, but no special brand of genius is required to recognize that Harden’s a property whose value could go to nil in the next month, the next start, perhaps even the next pitch. But there is also the concern that this team, having already surprised people so very nicely three months into the season, had done all it needed to do where Beane’s legend is concerned, and that converting Harden and Gaudin for new commodities comes across as especially cold-blooded.
This year’s hot start was nice. It was also gratuitously unnecessary, because the focus remains not on this year, or next, but on the big picture: finding a path to Fremont, and the more distant future. This deal doesn’t get them any closer to it, because it expended the potential value of two major league starting pitchers, and converted them into a group of cheap players whose value in a few pre-season rankings or in some subsets of fandom have been more than a little exaggerated. If you wanted to call that a setback, you’d be right.
Whereas I’m pretty down on Joe Sheehan right now, Christina still pwns all.
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Southside Scoop
Thome and Alexei Ramirez each had a career-high four hits Tuesday.http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080709&content_id=3098012&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
I’d have thought Thome already had a 5 hit game in his carrer
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
yeah me too
He’s only played 23524632572571212 e42 games over his jillion year career.
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maybe walk rate may have something to do with it?
bonds had no five-hit games in his career. big hurt has one.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
i just figured the chances of any one thing happening given infinite time is 1:1.
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so if i live forever, i will get laid again?
score
He was banned for today partly because he uses bad words (in a mean way; unlike everyone else who only use them when absolutely necessary in order to fight the terrorists)
those are odds you can live with, eh?
seewhatididthere?
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Listened to Thome on Waddle and Silvy today
Said Alexi is probably one of the greatest athletes he’s ever played with.
And hearing Thome on the radio makes me want to buy 100 foot American flags and hunt down terrorists.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
taken immediately following his arrest with the iron sheik.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
he got arrested with steamboat, too?
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
there you go again, waxing poetic about your college days.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
W. Lafayette, not Muncie, remember.
What’s the roommate’s gift to you going to be Friday? Is it time to change your driver’s license picture this year?
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
yeah, worlds apart those two. three weeks by sea.
no driver’s license change. just got a new one out here in october.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
like there's a difference between towns in Indiana
seen one shithole, you seen them all
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there is one good college town in indiana. and it's not home to PU or Testicle Tech.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
TT?
Am at a loss – but if you are inferring that South Bend is the place to be I will hunt you down and give you a Alexei Ramirez-nicknamed action. You POS.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
wanna join forces?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
I will cut you so hard if you're talking about that whore of a town
known as South Bend. Even NDers don’t like SB.
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number one, nd isn't even in south bend.
number two, i was talking about bloomington.
number three, testicle tech = ball state = muncie.
number four, the friends i know who went to michigan think a2 blows as well.
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If you don't/didn't go to school in Rogers Park
You are worthless. 3 block campuses in overcrowded ethnic neighborhood>lame ass college town with overabundance of suburban shitboxes.
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 9, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I have lived in Rogers Park and got my Masters from Loyola. Nice, urban, Jesuit.
Also, Toonder, I agree w/ Bloomington, especially after “Breaking Away”. PU is a shithole, SB is filled with A-holes, and Ball U. is a manhole.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
You have a masters?!?
In what, being a grumpy old bastard? ;)
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
he was a grumpy YOUNG bastard back then, y'know...
"I was going to take it easy on you and make it fast, but then you had to go and play the fucking hero."
by Toonderstrook on Jul 9, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't mean he couldn't have taken grumpy old bastard classes, does it?
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
a2 blows relative to what? a huge city like SF/Chicago?
no kidding. and besides that, there’s plenty wrong with it. ann arbor is a special place regardless.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Hails from my area
Pride of his town. I counter with Randy Savage, and steal their thunder.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
Really? I'm kinda not surprised
What can’t Alexei do? It’s a good thing he’s not a US citizen or they’d send him to Iraq to solve that shit and catch Osama at the same time.
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you mean what happens to adam russell every night?
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
I though Russell goes to Afghanistan every night
He stops by Iraq too?
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
*glass parking lot
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
when he's not flinging satellites into space, anyway
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
they're saying on espn 1000
about how the white sox are flying a plane over kauffman stadium with a sign or something reminding fans to vote for JD….what should the over/under be at times referenced by hawk and dj
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
It sounds like a tight race that Longoria is leading...
Not sure the Sox will be able to pull this one out, which is ironic because Dye is more deserving this year than Podthetic and Pierzynski were in the past.
yeah, but Longoria is better competition, no?
guy is absolutely raking right now.
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He's young, hot, and new
Dye needs every tainted vote Chicago can offer, and then some.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
Hey if Chicago can't do it, who can?
Fidel’s on his last legs plus he can’t get across the caribbean
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
Are you filming a porno or talking about baseball?
Sheesh WU, don’t ruin your pants over Longoria, or get up from your desk for that matter, lest someone see that you’re sporting some wood for Evan.
Now if you’re talking about his mom, Eva, there’s a panther with whom I wouldn’t mind losing a tongue-wresting match.
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
You, sir, are not a baseball fan,
and are female gay.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
ROFL!!!!
I’m going to go ahead and disagree with MM’s previous statement, the “female gay” has got to be the best thing uttered on this site today.
POS
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
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