Alexei Ramirez is Grindy Enough for All of Us
On a day when the White Sox added an infusion of slow at the expense of their grindiest offensive force, it was Alexei Ramirez, the smartest baseballer since Yaz, who made two heads up plays with his feet to give the Sox a 13-inning victory over the Royals.
It wasn't pretty. In fact, I compared the back and forth action to a retarded kid punching one of those inflatable clowns only to get knocked over himself when the clown rebounded. The Sox won, so I'm not quite sure if they're the short-bus rider or the latex inflatable, but I'm not sure it matters. I'll take any win that puts the Sox 15 games over and at a new high-water mark for the season.
Jose Contreras had himself all sorts of troubles early on, and the extra-inning bullpen continued allowing baserunners like crazy. The poor Contreras outing put the Sox in a 4-1 hole early, and 5-3 deficit late, which the Sox offense was able to claw out of against the Royals bullpen.
The Sox bullpen began with 4 innings of 1-hit, no run ball from Boone Logan, Octavio Dotel, and Matt Thornton, which allowed the Sox to take a 11th inning lead. Actually, a variety of events helped the Sox take that lead; a favorable strikezone, a blown interference call, and a 2-run sacrifice fly to be exact. That's right, thanks to a collision on a wet outfield and the wheels of Alexei Ramirez, AJ Pierzynski got credit for the incredibly rare 2-run sacrifice fly.
There's really not much else to say about the play. AJ hit it far, Alexei ran fast, and the Sox scored two runs. It was as spectacular as a sacrifice fly can be, but it's still not exactly exciting to be writing about 90 minutes later.
Ramirez was once again in the middle of the Sox 13th inning rally, hitting a 1-out single and scoring the eventual game-winning run on what was effectively a hit-and-run (though I thought it was a straight steal live) by Orlando Cabrera.
The story of the game, however, will be Scott Linebrink's blown save. The outing sucked, and there's not much I can say to defend it. But I don't think his recent struggles--He's allowed a run in each of his last 4 outings--have anything to do with his recent change in role. From my view from the safety of my mother's basement, where I hear the media spread is much better than KC's, it has everything to do with a REALLY poor changeup and an inability to put hitters away.
Ozzie has said he'll turn to both Thornton and Dotel in the 9th if he needs them later this week, and I can't blame him. The other day, I said I would go with Thornton as my closer in Jenks' absence. But I hardly think Linebrink's return to Earth is anything worth getting worked up about. There's no closer controversy on the southside.
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i agree
linebrink’s changeup looked horribly flat and just either stayed out of the strike zone or floated right to where the royals could hit it hard
it seems like he went to a 3-2 count on a lot of hitters…and still continued to toss up poor changeups that got knocked around….combined with JD’s awful miscue on the game-tying double…it was a disastrous 11th
still sooooo happy to get the win and some more breathing room
vazquez needs another strong outing tomorrow and hopefully beckett is on his game as well in boston
how long before john and jordan danks sit atop the brothers home run list?
by furby2056 on Jul 9, 2008 12:57 AM CDT 0 recs
i didn't see linebrink pitch
was he missing with his fastball too, or just unable to put hitters away after getting ahead?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 9, 2008 1:01 AM CDT 0 recs
uh...basically both
but mainly he couldn’t put the hitters away at all
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on
Jul 9, 2008 1:03 AM CDT
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the fastball seemed okay
the problem was with his changeup and his inability to throw his curve for a strike. In fact, I don’t think a single curve even came close to coming across as a strike.
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on
Jul 9, 2008 1:06 AM CDT
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you're right on that one
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on
Jul 9, 2008 1:06 AM CDT
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there's just something wrong with his command on that changeup
and he needs to get it fixed….fast
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on
Jul 9, 2008 1:13 AM CDT
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fast? eh, it won't be that big a deal long term
Coop I’m sure noticed it. It’s harder for relievers to work kinks out because they get so little time, but the difference between horrible and passable isn’t very big so it’s not that hard to get back to passable.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 3:02 AM CDT
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A change up that isn't working for a guy in new role?
This isn’t the kind of pitch that works well with the adrenaline flowing. This isn’t his fastball that’s the problem. This is probably why he doesn’t do well with closing. For a changeup to work the guy has to be feeling pretty good. If he’s nervous / anxious or just too pumped up a change can easily get left hanging up. I haven’t paid enough attention to each pitch to see if it’s just mechanical or if there is more to it.
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 9, 2008 8:17 AM CDT
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i think it's just him trying to be to fine with all his pitches and trying not to make mistakes
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on
Jul 9, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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I just don't buy nerves when, for one, the data doesn't support it and, two, there's no way a long time major leaguer get flustered by the Royals simply because it's in extras
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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Steve Blass/Chuck Knoblauch say otherwise
Not that I am suggesting Liney can’t throw it into the ocean. Guys do have things happen to them for inexplicable reasons.
That being said, I find it hard to believe the issue is his “guts”, or “nervousness”. He may be feeling the added pressure of closing on top of justifying his contract as a setup guy. Who knows?
But if he says he’s not comfortable, listen to him, Oz. Fields isn’t in LF any more, either.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jul 9, 2008 12:26 PM CDT
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They call it "Blass disease" because of its rarity and weirdity
but, nonetheless, point taken. If he actually doesn’t want to, don’t make him. But can I get a source on this supposed quote at least?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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i can agree with that
i don’t want to see any more of this tomfoolery on this guestbook. and get off my motherfucking lawn.---good ole larry
by furby2056 on
Jul 9, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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Agreed on Linebrink
During Sunday’s game we were up on our feet cheering for quite a long time as he kept getting batters to 2 strikes and then refused to put them away.
It was great to get this win. It would have been heart breaking to lose in such a fashion in the bottom of the 13th. I sure as hell wouldn’t be up and this cheerful had the Sox blown it nor would I have written about the game.
Random question that has really no bearing on anything: Had Masset blown the game and the Russell pitched, would the Sox have turned to one of the starters to pitch relief or is there secretly a position player that could pitch in an extreme bind ala Pablo as the emergency catcher?
Do we see Toby Hall tomorrow after AJ caught such a long game?
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Jul 9, 2008 1:03 AM CDT 0 recs
We shouldn't...
Hall is 0 for 3 against Bannister. Pierzynski is 5 for 9 with 4 doubles against Bannister.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 9, 2008 1:43 AM CDT
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saaaaaample siiiiiiiiiiiize
but he is the kind of pitcher AJ mashes. i’d rather have a healthy catcher than 1 game against the royals, so whatever Ozzie and Herm think.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 2:52 AM CDT
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On Liney...
In appearances where he lasted at least 0.1 innings, the difference between Liney’s performance in the 7th/8th innings and his performance in the 9th is not statistically significant. When entering the game in the 7th or 8th inning (N=308), he gave up an average of 0.421 Earned Runs per Inning Pitched. When entering the game in the 9th inning (N=39), he gave up an average of 0.377 ER/IP. The two-sample t-statistic for this test comes out to be just 0.33, which means that there is a very high probability that we would see a difference in ER/IP of this magnitude due purely to randomness.
In short, this little test does not provide us with enough evidence to say that he performs differently in different innings. I intended for this to be save situation v. non-save situation, but I figured this would be a good enough approximation since I don’t subscribe to baseball reference.
The data for that came from gamelogs – thank god for the text to columns function!
by reardenmettle on Jul 9, 2008 2:43 AM CDT 0 recs
Boosh!
well played, sir
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 2:56 AM CDT
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So I'm filling out The Ledger for the google doc
And I searched the comments to try to find out how much the Phils are sending us for Thome if/when his option vests and couldn’t come up with anything definitive. Cheat said 4-6 a while back. Anything more certain? I’ve got his ‘09 salary at 7.5 for now. That work for everyone?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on Jul 9, 2008 3:10 AM CDT 0 recs
I actually thought the option year was on the Sox
But that’s strictly memory – so I’ll see if I can find anything too
by Brush Back on
Jul 9, 2008 8:07 AM CDT
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yeah it wasn't specific
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by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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$5.5 million...
http://www.mlb4u.com/profile.php?id=837
Contract:signed 6-year deal worth $85M- + he receives a $10M signing bonus of which $2.5M is payable in 2006 and salaries of $9.5M in 2003, $10.5M in 2004, $11.5M in 2005, $12.5M in 2006, $14M in 2007 and $14M in 2008- + the deal includes a team option for 2009 worth $13M or a $3M buyout- + bonuses he has received: $50K for 2004 All-Star- + he receives a complete NO-TRADE clause- + the 2009 option becomes guaranteed with 1,100 PA combined during the 2007 and 2008 seasons- + waived no-trade caluse to approve a deal to CHW on 11/23/05- + $22M of remaining $46M on his contract at time of trade that sends him to CHW is paid by PHI ($5.5M each season in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009)
Agent: Pat Rooney
by SSH2005 on
Jul 9, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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thanks for tracking it down
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by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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type mlb4u in the search box and click on comments
seems you need some memory boosting vitamins
or aren’t you wide awake yet?
:p
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on
Jul 9, 2008 1:33 PM CDT
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it's only 1:35
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jul 9, 2008 1:35 PM CDT
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I don't have as many links at my disposal
since the old laptop went down, a lot of good bookmarks died along with it. RIP, baby.
and I was up before noon today! proud, aintcha?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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That Cowley bloke winds me up
constantly sending texts about the rubbish food in KC. Most people have to pay for their lunch, and there he is whining like a fucking schoolboy
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Jul 9, 2008 4:07 AM CDT 0 recs
Food outside of their BBQ in KC / St. Louis area is pretty god awful, probably the worst in the nation in my experience. I have paid for food in those town’s and not finished it because it was so awful, so getting it free doesn’t mean much. If you travel to the US, do not go there.
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 9, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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Is is that they have their own unique recipes?
or just can’t cook as well as everyone else does?
thanks
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Jul 9, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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KC and St. Louis are two different areas.
Like trying to lump together Chicago and Indianapolis.
And KC is fine. Been there at least a dozen times, going back in September.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 9, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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there are good and bad places to eat
everywhere in my opinion (apart from Scotland)
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Jul 9, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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I guess my experiences
are not varied enough just from not living there. But the food was awful in both places when ever I’ve traveled through. St. Louis was the worst of all time but the places I went to in KC weren’t great either.
Hoodlight, I don’t know if they were trying to be different.. or just couldn’t do it as well.
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 9, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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St Louis food is pretty bad
I spent the past year in St Louis for school and I have lost 20 lb without doing a lick of exercise. Thankfully I get to spend the summer in Louisville.
by joewho112 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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what sort of stuff do they like to serve up?
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Jul 9, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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In St Louis,
It all pretty unremarkable. Quite a bit of BBQ and Italian along with the horrendous St Louis-style Pizza with Provell “cheese” (the FDA won’t let them call it cheese).
Louisville serves a lot of southern cooking and Irish/English grub along with quite a bit of stuff from nearby cities (Cinci-style chilli, som Chicago-style pizza, etc.)
by joewho112 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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Yup
Note I didn’t say anything about St. Louis…
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 9, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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2 run SF not exciting?
Helluva play on both ends – great catch, too. And seeing it twice on ESPN, watching someone with actual speed, baseball sense, and talent on our team is exciting to me. And the game getting extended because of it is exciting to me. But that’s just me.
Well, the value of my t-shirts has gone up at least 15%.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on Jul 9, 2008 6:20 AM CDT 0 recs
You making a long term play with those or looking to make a quick turnaround?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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Long haul for mine, short-term giveaways down here (while he's hot and memorable)
Just increasing awareness. The Q! shirt is giving Jim a decent amount of pub down here.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jul 9, 2008 12:28 PM CDT
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Speaking of Sugar Cane Ramirez (and his sweet play)...
In 2005, KW brought in a Japanese 2B, mostly sight-unseen, with results beyond our expectations. This year he brings us Ramirez from Cuba, with similar results so far (knock on wood, “tap wood” for any lurking faux Brits). But here are my questions:
I believe I read here that the closest comparable to Cuban baseball is our AA ball, and that Japanese ball is about equal to AAA, with an obviously larger sample size. Does that make the Ramirez acquisition even that more impressive than Tadahito’s? Does it say anything about the Sox Latin American scouting dept.? Is Kenny the luckiest GM around?
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jul 9, 2008 8:12 AM CDT 0 recs
Without a doubt this is a better acquisition.
No one else wanted the guy, he got him at age 26 for four years, 1 million per, and so far he’s looked like a better player then the Guch. A shortstop with range, a solid glove, a cannon for an arm, and a solid bat during his prime for 1 million a year? Are you kidding me? This blows the Guch pick up out of the water. I’d say luck, but he seems to know what he’s doing at this point, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
My question about Alexei: As we’ve all seen, the guy adapts probably better then anyone to come through the White Sox, he still doesn’t take many pitches and his OBP is relatively low for a guy with a .300+ average. Will this improve? Does it have to for him to be a valuable short stop? Will patience come with experience, or is this what we have?
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 9, 2008 8:25 AM CDT
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of your questions...
the biggest for me is “valuable shortstop”? If he can, I’d agree that KW won the lottery.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jul 9, 2008 8:28 AM CDT
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I'm not sure I know what your saying
Are you saying “He is valuable if he plays as he has so far this year”, or “if he can raise his OBP he would become valuable” ?
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 9, 2008 8:30 AM CDT
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I'm saying that Cabrerra is gone next year, and if Sugar Cane can move to SS
and play even adequately, I’m a very happy person.
Sorry if I wasn’t clearer re “next year”.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jul 9, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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Much better acquisition than Iguchi...
Cheaper, younger, better, and presumably can play a more important position. So far Ramirez’s only weakness is that he doesn’t draw many walks, meaning that his OBP will be very AVG-driven.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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just a DYK....
Iguchi has not made an error since leaving the White Sox. 441 chances.
A pretty good streak.
The Midnight Runner (“Alexei’s Midnight Runners,” since he needs more nicknames…?) is more complete of course.
Mosi Tatupu! Mosi Tatupu!
by Nordhagen on
Jul 9, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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What about "'Lexie's Midnight Runners"?
Same # of syllables. Great idea, N.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jul 9, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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Masset
I wasn’t around for the game thread, but was it mentioned he was tearing up the radar gun? I thought I saw a 96 from him. How off must this gun have been?
Also the same inning he couldn’t hit the strike zone so maybe that’s why he normally doens’t throw so hard, but.. almost every pitch was 94,95. No 92’s last night, could just be a bad gun though.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 9, 2008 8:19 AM CDT 0 recs
which shocked me
I then checked on gameday and it was 94 or 95, which is still pretty fast. So take it as you will
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on
Jul 9, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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While Bobby's hurtin' give the ball to Thornton...
...the man can just flat out blow it by hitters, and last night he was hitting corners. What worries me in Contreras. You just never know what you’re getting out there. Wild pitches, a flat forkball, and when he gets behind he throws that batting cage fastball. I have so little confidence in him. My stomach churns with every inning. At least w/ our other starters you can FEEL like they can win even on days when they don’t have their best stuff. Jose is a train wreck waiting to happen. On another subject, OC has been an excellent addition. Sign him for next year, dump Crede, bring up Fields, keep Ramirez at 2nd. OC is a nut, but I want to see him w/ a bat in his hands when the game’s on the line. Can’t say the same for Joe.
by RoyEgan on Jul 9, 2008 8:20 AM CDT 0 recs
Do you think OC would stay for one year or would you sign him long term?
How much are you willing to spend, as I don’t believe he’ll take a one year deal your going to have him through the decline of his career? With our weak farm isn’t it worth adding the two draft picks?
by Grinder in Training on
Jul 9, 2008 8:32 AM CDT
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With Ramirez, Richar, and Beckham around...
Kenny really shouldn’t even consider signing Cabrera long-term, if at all.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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If Cabrera was 5 years young, it would be a different story.
by SSH2005 on
Jul 9, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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Just to be on record
I’m opposed to the White Sox signing a five year old to play shortstop.
Optimist
by Peder on
Jul 9, 2008 10:10 AM CDT
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i'm not
as long as he projects. i bet we could get him for some spongebob merchandise. it’s the new market inefficiency.
"What'cha gonna do brother when Ozunamania runs wild on you?"
by larry on
Jul 9, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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You are the next Billy Beane, that you are
spongebob, ha! Nice play!
His most recent E5, botching a sure double play, was classic, as was his recent Dybzynski moment – pinch-running, then quickly getting picked off.
Pablo taketh away, and he giveth, usually with the same hand. Pablo, we barely knew ye. - WU
by rhythm on
Jul 9, 2008 3:20 PM CDT
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"Can’t say the same for Joe."
Short memory?
Pitching, defense, health.
by ballyb on
Jul 9, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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kenwo's take
For god sake ozzie….seriously what do you need a flag? How many times are you going to keep running out Linebrink in save situations. I have been saying it for over a week that this guy can’t close. It is painfully obvious yet Ozzie keeps putting him out there. This is going to ruin his confidence if it keeps up and he is going to be ** for the rest of the season. Octavio Dotel was a proven closer at one point in his career. This is the man that should be closing games out. Get your head out of your tushie Guillen and manage the damn game like it should be managed.
Other than that… even though they played like total slop, the manager has no clue on how to manage the bullpen now that Jenks is out and Carlos Quentin hit more pop ups than Willie Mays Hays we somehow managed to win. Any time you can separate is a good thing. And I am upset that Chef Ramsey picked Christina to run his kitchen instead of Petroza. Dont know if you watch Hells Kitchen but it is a quality show.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 9, 2008 12:05 AM
On July 3rd…TC, Scam, Swasfies or whatever and Mike Devereaux all were arguing with me that it doesn’t matter what inning Linebrink comes in…. Obviously it does matter as every time he has come in since he has given up at least one run. Now good ol Mike Devereaux is trying to steal my thunder like he said this first….I don’t think so pal! I called this one before it even started. Linebrink is not a proven closer. He never has been and never will be. He is an 8th inning guy, and a solid one.
Riefert hook me up with a scouting job i will turn the minor league system around quickly.
By kenwo4life@aol.com on July 9, 2008 12:19 AM
by larry on Jul 9, 2008 8:52 AM CDT 0 recs
i thought it was over
oh no
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jul 9, 2008 8:59 AM CDT
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You kidding?
“4 life” is in his name!
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 9, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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I just got it
Wrestling reference, classic.
This is the kind of jamoke that Cubs fan was talking about in the “Have you seen this sign” post.
It’s likely he DOES listen to ICP and drive a Camaro…
I believe in Harvey, Illinois
by Hazymania on
Jul 9, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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actually, ken is a bit more sophisticated than that.
iirc, he’s a teacher and seems pretty normal otherwise. he just holds the usual ridiculous opinions that “normal” fans have.
let’s be honest. we all get into those awkward conversations with these people at work, at family parties, or something. shoot, i had to sit there and just take it as someone at a 4th of july party went on about how dewayne wise was awesome and thome needed to be gotten rid.
by larry on
Jul 9, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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you just sat there
couldn’t you smack him upside the head and tell him that thome has been OPSin’ like a mofo for the last month (1.099).
i actually thought kenwo could be an SSS member posting outrageous sarcastic comments, but your observation makes much more sense.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Jul 9, 2008 9:31 AM CDT
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another thing
do you think guys like kenwo are season ticket holders?
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Jul 9, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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that guy isn't.
but, christ, talk to some season ticket holders sometime. i don’t know how you can watch that much baseball, especially of a single team, and not have the first clue about who is a good player and who is not.
by larry on
Jul 9, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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if the first clue requires using more than the basic stats, then
i’m sure i would be really frustrated. but i think the ‘advanced’ use of stats to predict player’s performance is still an underground phenomenon in baseball. if mainstream media outlets applied it more, i think more fans would do the same.
that said, i don’t think you need sabrmetrics to determine that pablo should be removed from the roster, haha.
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "


