Fire Joe Cowley -- or -- Punch Cowley
If you want an example of why the fishwraps are running for their lives, Cowley is a great example. Fattened by years of monopolistic dispersion of news, the Sun Times has been convinced that Cowley is writer worthy of our attention. Well, so much for all that.
...there stood pitcher Jose Contreras, hours before his start Tuesday in the White Sox' 13-inning, 8-7 victory over the Kansas City Royals at Kauffman Stadium, looking like he had just received a thunderous body blow and there wasn't enough air in the room for him to take a breath. The right-hander had just been told that, to make room for first baseman Paul Konerko's return from his rehab assignment, the Sox had informed reserve infielder Pablo Ozuna earlier in the day at the team hotel that he was being designated for assignment.
Ignore the obvious non-sequitar that Jose a) had been informed of Ozuna's DFA just hours before the game, and b) that Cowley was there to witness said hypothetical moment. Ignore all that and focus on the rest:
[After the game] Contreras walked out of the clubhouse, obviously disturbed by the news.
He wasn't as upset as his manager.
''[Bleep] Jose Contreras,'' Guillen said. ''Nobody in this organization is more upset or sad than Ozzie Guillen. Nobody.
It's easy to see the Cowley is trying to form a narrative. What if Count was just walking off pissed because he gave it up to a shitty Royals team? It's obvious that he's creating the story and not reporting. He prodded Guillen about Contreras and Ozzie responded like Ozzie always does. Ozzie should have just said, "fuck Joe Cowley. Who is this guy, some Ozuna fanboy?" It's disengenous of Cowley to not print what the question was that he asked Guillen to prompt the response. I can just picture him prodding and prodding with his asinine line of questioning. Finally Ozzie flips and mission accomplished.
What is with Cowley? Does know anything about baseball? What has he done to earn his job? There are literally hundreds of bloggers who can both write more eloquently then he can while providing real insight about baseball. And that's why the Sun Times is doomed and the Internet continues to grow. It's the entitled opinion of the Sun Times and Crowley that has got them where they are today.
I've always wanted to say this: fuck'em.
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Print is a dead medium
and newspapers are dying.
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on Jul 9, 2008 12:45 AM CDT 0 recs
Cowley was terrific at the Southtown
Repeatedly scooped the big boys and was the best read in the city despite his paper having the smallest circulation of any of the ones that traveled with the team. That’s how he earned his job, and no blogger could go in the clubhouse and do that.
Has he done enough to keep it? That depends. It seems like he’s playing fast and loose with standards, but that could be what the higher-ups want. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
(Of course, an improvement would be not putting everything on Twitter. I don’t see how that makes them any money, considering they can’t sell ads for it and it doesn’t prompt the reader to actually visit the Sun-Times site. Meanwhile, there’s an S-T blog with paid ad space that’s underutilized. I don’t get it.)
Now I’ll step aside and let the regular mainstream media bashing commence.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jul 9, 2008 1:10 AM CDT 0 recs
For him to have magically changed so rapidly seems like in the very least he's being given the freedom to play fast and loose...How a supposedly respectable paper likethe S-T has lower standards than the freakin Southtown I have no idea.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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Could be merely the difference
Between a broadsheet and a tabloid.
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by Sox Machine on
Jul 9, 2008 1:21 PM CDT
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No, because the Trib will be a tabloid soon. Saving printing expenses.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jul 9, 2008 1:26 PM CDT
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Yeah, but they'll still have the broadsheet mindset.
The true tabloids always take bigger leaps/chances/etc.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
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by Sox Machine on
Jul 9, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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That is no lie - they've changed the look of the sister paper, the Orlando Slantinel
(Sentinel), and it looks like crap. Just like The Globe. This morning, on the front page, the Jonas Brothers’ appearance on some Fox Teen Award show in August warranted a mention and picture. What h0r$e$hit.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jul 9, 2008 3:13 PM CDT
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I don't actually know what that means
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 1:56 PM CDT
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Broadsheet = tall, folding paper in multiple sections.
Tabloid = squarish, one-section paper with big screaming headlines.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 9, 2008 10:17 PM CDT
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Jim, it isn't a case of Traditional Media versus Bloggers...
It’s a case of Cowley continually interjecting opinion or innuendo into game stories. He isn’t (usually) a columnist, but a BEAT WRITER assigned to the Sox. If he played it straight, even if ill-equipped, he wouldn’t get half the flack for being a hack. Even FJM saves its vitriol for columnists most of the time because beat writers don’t usually spout opinion as fact.
I understand your defense of Traditional Media, even support it if facts warrant it. In Cowley’s case not so much.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jul 9, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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That's what I mean
That could be the will of his editor. Considering the SE doesn’t mind the feud between Mariotti and Telander leaving the office, I wouldn’t be surprised if he were calling for more opinion/perspective/slant.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 9, 2008 1:27 PM CDT
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You mean
When Cowley was called an embarrassment by several people in Toronto including the owners and was banned by his own writers organization from voting on postseason awards? Thats when he was good?
by Rockraines on
Jul 10, 2008 6:20 PM CDT
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Yup
As that doesn’t reflect the job he did reporting White Sox news for the Daily Southtown.
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by Sox Machine on
Jul 11, 2008 12:14 AM CDT
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And Conrad Black is scum.
He’s why the S-T is in the place it is today. To try to pin it down to the macro level of a Cowley or even a Mariotti is foolish at best.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Jul 9, 2008 2:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Who's Conrad Black?
Verbal: He’s a ghost story that criminals tell their kids. Rat out your dad and Conrad Black will get you.
...I do want to know though.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 11:48 AM CDT
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http://conradblacktrial.blogspot.com/
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by Chiburb on
Jul 9, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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Agreed
and he’s doin’ the time to prove it.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jul 9, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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what exactly did he do?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 2:08 PM CDT
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what are you, a Brit impersonator? you could've read the link I posted
in the time it took to post this.
Damn ingrate kids. You know, when I was your age… well, I don’t remember but..
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jul 9, 2008 2:37 PM CDT
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i did, it looks like he stole a shitload of money
but that doesn’t really tell me how he fucked up the paper’s processes.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 9, 2008 4:33 PM CDT
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Stealing a shitload of money leads to...
....wrong books which leads to market correction which leads to plummeting stock which leads to a ton of people losing their jobs and other cuts which leads to a crappier product.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 9, 2008 10:16 PM CDT
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What do you think about Simon's critique of the newspaper biz Jim?
I would argue that Simon says that the papers’ demise has been largely self-inflicted, with prize-chasing features replacing the sort of hard-scrable beat reporting that made the papers relevent to their communities in the first place.
I think that’s a decent argument, but the rise of the Internet has just lowered the barries to entry so low that so many smart people can now have their words read - and that is at the expense of the brick and mortal biz. There are a million Royko’s now, they just aren’t employed in the newspaper biz - they might be a CEO writing about the tech biz (fake Steve Jobs) or insurance adjusters (KT at FJM) or guys that know math writing about baseball (HBTs, BP, etc).
Before those guys would have to rely on a publisher, a publiscist, and even then a large amount of luck to get their stories read. Now it just takes a good SEO strategy and good writing.
So the market for information is now flooded with talent, most of it not in the traditional print media. I think this can only be a good thing.
by madvillian on
Jul 9, 2008 10:47 PM CDT
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The barriers to entry have gotten lower for written word journalism and opinion
Before, as you point out, you have to have a big publishing operation or newsprint operation, that can print large numbers of papers/magazines, and distribute them to a large number of people.
Now anyone can set up a website. The big boys still have a huge marketing advantage, though – I mean the reason we’re even talking about Cowley is because of that. But if you can find a niche and somehow get attention (BP, FJM, HBTs, etc), you can have a successful site.
I’m not sure the demand has changed for baseball writing has gone down, there’s just so much more competition out there, and that’s putting a squeeze on papers.
That’s not even bringing up the classifieds/cragislist/ebay, which was a huge chunk of newspaper revenue that’s just gone now.
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on
Jul 9, 2008 11:42 PM CDT
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I had to Google a few different things to figure out who the hell Simon was
Having never seen The Wire and having no plans to, you’ll have to spell out those references a little more clearly for me.
But as you described it, I think that’s largely BS. Even if papers are chasing those stories, they’re still the single-largest newsgathering agency in any area, and bloggers aren’t going to replace that unless they have entrenched sources all over the area. And there are a ton of papers without the budget or desire to go outside their communities, and they’re suffering, too.
Blogs, by and large, aren’t a real replacement for any section of a newspaper. They’re a replacement for occupying leisure time, which is increasingly sparse. IMO, that’s what’s hurting the print product and hurting a lot of other industries—the brick-and-mortar movie theatres, bookstores, record stores, etc. People take their work home with them, commute longer, spend more time in a position where they can’t sit down and read the paper. And when there’s belt-tightening, there’s no real reason to keep a subscription when the equivalent can be found online.
The medium is what’s changing. People get movies, books, music delivered where they’re sitting. People get the news they want to see delivered to what they want to read it on, and so far, there isn’t the money in those that there is in the actual paper version.
Combine that and what Vince said about classifieds - and beyond that, mergers and closings and cutbacks that remove key advertisers from regions - and it’s not a good time right now. IMO, it has everything to do with that, and little to do with how and why newspapers report news. They might have to make some adjustments to find a new fomula, but a lot of the arguments being made against them now were being made 30, 60, 180 years ago. People’s gripes are rarely as novel as people think they are.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 10, 2008 2:21 AM CDT
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make plans to. i know you don't dig tv that much nor do you have a lot of time
but it’s completely and absolutely worth it.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 10, 2008 4:58 AM CDT
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and you're spot on, as ever, with your analysis of the news
the money may not be as great, but actual legit reporting is always going to be in demand and it’s the backbone of any good democracy.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 10, 2008 5:01 AM CDT
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I mostly agree
but I take issue with this sentence:
“Blogs, by and large, aren’t a real replacement for any section of a newspaper.”
Why limit this discussion to blogs though? Sites like Yahoo! Sports and ESPN have AP recaps that tell me just about everything I need to know. If I want opinion and analysis I can go to BP, HBT, and sites like here. So what’s the attraction of the local sports papers? Mainly more “personality” based coverage due to their access to the players, and columnists. On the baseball side of things, I’ve yet to be impressed by any of the columnists at the trib or ST (I like Haugh for football).
The point is you could easily follow the team without reading the local sports sections, and I wonder how many of us do it just out of habit.
If you look at other areas, such as politics, there are many, many more options beyond traditional newspapers, and unlike in the sports blog world, many of these sites actually break news before the papers do. I can think of many times that sites like Talking Points Memo or The Huffington Post scooped newspapers. In fact the only local political articles I tend to read in the trib/ST are ones about Chicago politics, but I never bother with the national stuff.
Obviously, this is all anecdotal, but I think this is probably a trend – people are going to different places for their news and information these days. I think smaller sites have an advantage because they can grow at the scale that online revenue allows; newspapers have these huge organizations built for an era that is gone. It is very difficult and painful for them to adapt to the new market, and I’m sure many won’t make it.
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on
Jul 10, 2008 9:17 AM CDT
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To bring it full circle
back to Cowley.
Now, I’m not saying this is the case, but here’s my guess.
You are at a newspaper that is going through rounds of layoff after layoff and struggling to deal with lost revenue.
You like paying the rent.
You see said newspaper give a lot of money to that blowhard Mariotti.
Does anyone really find it surprising that tabloid, blanket statements like “Cabrera is a bad, selfish guy who only cares about himself” make it into articles now?
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on
Jul 10, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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About blogs
That was in response to the point about papers not pounding their local beats, more or less saying citizens/independent sites are never going to come close to topping a newspaper for its chief local purpose.
In some specific areas—politics, technology, sports, sure, no doubt. Although for the latter, But still, newspapers are the only ones saying what local athlete said, or what local sports team might do according to sources, and that’s why they trumpet that over Wiz and other other’s in “mom’s basement.” It’s what they have.
Some sites package what newspapers said in a more fun and interesting way, though.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 10, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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I just think it doesn't have to be newspapers doing beat coverage
I agree that you can’t replace local beat coverage. But is online revenue going to be sufficient to pay for it? I don’t think anyone has figured that out yet, and I’m not convinced that newspapers will not be without competition in that area forever more.
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on
Jul 10, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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I get the argument that by and large Bloggers don't have sources
and they don’t get interviews—but if that’s all the newspapers have going for them then they are in a world of hurt. Let’s just forget all the arguments about medium for a second and just talk about quality of information. The quality of THBs is just better than the Sun Times’ Sox coverage. What good is access if it’s cluttered with disproven notions and clear personal bias? Isn’t it the job of the media to educate people? Well how can they educate when Joe Cowley (and the vast, vast majority of his cohorts) still operate in world where sabermetrics doesn’t even get a passing glance.
It’s not like sabermetrics is some obscure field now. You have to be willfully ignorant at this point to not inject many of its tenats about baseball into your thinking about the game.
And seriously, you don’t have any plans to watch the Wire? Maybe you don’t like television, but I have yet to meet a person who hasn’t loved the Wire, even those who don’t watch television.
by madvillian on
Jul 10, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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Sabermetrics is still relatively obscure IMHO
In my circle of baseball fan friends, most hadn’t heard of it until I brought it up.
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on
Jul 10, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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Yea, because the MSM should be educating folks
And they aren’t.
It’s like trying to get a friend into good beer or wine. You don’t go from Bud to double IPAs over night. Perhaps a nice pale ale from Sierra Nevada or a Samuel Adams lager.
I’m not asking for DIPS theory here or the nuances of batted ball data.
How hard would it be to say, “OPS correlates to runs scored better than AVG, thus it’s more important ot have a good OPS than a good average.
by madvillian on
Jul 10, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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Nope, no plans
It’s like a 50-hour movie. Long-form television is something I’ll probably never embrace. Never saw an episode of the Sopranos or Lost, either. If it’s not something I can get the gist of while watching it out of order sporadically on reruns, I can’t do it.
My favorite beat writer is Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. I think he does a good job of what you’re talking about. I don’t personally care if a beat writer is all that familiar with sabermetrics as long as he doesn’t dive into analysis. Some people are better off reporting stories.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 10, 2008 3:14 PM CDT
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It's episodic
You read chapter books right? Same concept, dude.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 11, 2008 1:02 AM CDT
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Books = Much, much faster.
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by Sox Machine on
Jul 11, 2008 2:53 AM CDT
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*certain books
Ulysses isn’t the sort of thing you can knock off over the weekend. And you’d probably get more out of The Wire.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 11, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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And familiarity with what's important and relevant is pretty critical
some some conception of what the sabermetrics dudes have done is pretty important imo. i mean if you’re ignorant of all that and you write about baseball for a living, what does that say about your curiosity and real interest in the game? you have to be damn good at piecing together news and accurate narratives in order to ignore that stuff.
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 11, 2008 1:04 AM CDT
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I totally agree with this
The problem is, IMO, mostly a generation gap. A paradigm shift happened and rather than embrace it the older writers (the vast majority) chose to ignore it.
I should reread Kuhn’s on the nature of scientific revolutions, I think he might offer some salient points in why it’s so hard for these things to be embraced by the older generations.
I mean, when Joe Cowley argues that Juan Uribe is less valuable to the team then Ozuna it makes anything else he writes (Stories, features, the team’s zeitgeist) that much harder to believe.
by madvillian on
Jul 11, 2008 12:30 PM CDT
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I think what you're referring to is called "Social Lag"
most commonly associated with technological innovations.
IIRC, most of the reason innovations aren’t adopted earlier is because of social momentum and lack of information. I think those arguments translate relatively well to this situation as well.
It’s been a while since I took history of science, thanks for the book suggestion and getting those mental gears turning again!
by rhythm on
Jul 11, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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"You make me feel so young..."
posted from my iPhone.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on
Jul 11, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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You fart dust, you are so old...
;)
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jul 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT
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Good call: GenD! (for dust)
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by Chiburb on
Jul 11, 2008 2:11 PM CDT
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Generation Gap?
Effin’ kids. They know everything.
Youth is wasted on the young. Fer Chrissakes.
CWS: Slashing negative expectations since May, 2008.
by winningugly on
Jul 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT
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thanks for being explicit jim ;)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Jul 10, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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I'm allowed two curse words a year.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
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by Sox Machine on
Jul 10, 2008 3:15 PM CDT
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damn
i curse every post ;)
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Jul 10, 2008 4:33 PM CDT
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and i meant explicit regarding the overall message not words used
hit the nail on the head so to speak
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Jul 10, 2008 4:34 PM CDT
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Reminds me of the Wire
“Sure, we could blame the beat writers, god knows they deserve a beating on every once and awhile. But to get to the bottom of this we need to look at what goes on outside the beat.”
“You don’t need a lot of context to examine what goes on with one beat writer.
“O Rly? I think you need a lot of context to examine what goes on with anything…”
...
Cowley is a symptom, but he’s an easy target for my drunken ramblings.
by madvillian on Jul 9, 2008 8:50 AM CDT 0 recs
props on the choice citation YO
"I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right? "
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Jul 9, 2008 8:58 AM CDT
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Jim, if you're still around...
I think you’ll find this fascinating:
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2008/07/08/big_daddy_left.html
Long, but spot-on.
When she farts, a little rainbow comes out...
by Chiburb on Jul 10, 2008 1:01 PM CDT 0 recs
I tried skimming it
But there are a whole bunch of self-references and nods to people or places I’ve never heard of, so this is going to take a while. Not something I can do on my lunch break.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 10, 2008 3:10 PM CDT
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Hey Jim, here's a question
Why do you have to work at a newspaper to have access in the first place?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 11, 2008 1:07 AM CDT
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I'm assuming by newspaper you mean media
Short answer;
1. Accountability.
2. MLB has no need to expand the pool.
Still haven’t gotten to that blog posting yet. Stupid Windows Update clashed with my Zone Alarm and f’d up my connection.
Never trust a big butt and a smile.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on
Jul 11, 2008 2:56 AM CDT
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Will you talk about the things Simon discusses under the heading of the Bmore Sun?
are you trying to use stats around here? what the fuck do you think this is? - MM
by colintj on
Jul 12, 2008 3:20 AM CDT
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Tribune changes "speculated on" here:
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/hottype/080710/
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by Chiburb on Jul 11, 2008 10:02 AM CDT 0 recs








