Floyd Wins Game, Loses Hair
Gavin Floyd must have been pretty confident that he was going to suck this season. Why else would he make a pre-season bet that if he won 12 games, he would have to shave his head? With an attitude like that, Floyd would fit right in around here. I mean he almost sounds like someone around here who always thinks the worst, and who has also put his hair on the line in the past.
Floyd looked like he wouldn't get number 12 Sunday when, in the first inning, he started hanging curveballs and handing out free passes. A hanging curveball to Dustin Pedrioa and a walk to JD Drew set the stage for Mike Lowell to drive yet another hanging curve, on 0-2 no less, just over the left field wall. It was nothing more than a 331 foot lazy fly ball, and looked like it could have been caught by Carlos Quentin. But Q! misjudged his distance to the wall, caught his shoulder on the underside of the padding and came up just short with a pathetic-looking jump attempt.
Floyd settled down a bit after the first, and especially after the Sox offense started to get to Buchholz. Jermaine Dye got things started for the Sox with a solo-shot in the second, but it was the third inning that proved the difference. Carlos Quentin made up for his mediocre defensive effort with his American League leading 32nd home run, a game-tying 2-run shot, which was followed two batters later by Jim Thome's 2-run blast on a Buchholz hanger. All of the Sox homers were tape-measure shots.
Floyd cruised into the 6th, where he faltered, and was pulled after just 81 pitches. From there the Sox bullpen generally shut the BoSox down, pitching 3.2 innings of no-hit ball. The Red Sox loaded the bases against Matt Thornton in the 7th inning, but, as I pointed out in the gamethread, he wasn't pitching poorly or getting squeezed. It was just that close pitches didn't go his way. Octavio Dotel put out the fire in just two pitches by inducing a double play from Lowell, and Bobby Jenks worked a 1-2-3 night to close things out.
A bit of a brief recap tonight. I'm working on another project you should see later this week.
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Dotel
That the same guy who NEVER does any of his good work in high lev situations?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Aug 10, 2008 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Octavio Dotel is the unclutchiest clutch that's ever clutched
by CWSKeith on Aug 10, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was at the Detroit game on Thursday.
Dotel stood by the foul pole in the bullpen for 3 innings and signed autographs, posters, mitts, jerseys, etc. and just shot the bull with anyone who wandered by.
I’d never seen that before (while the game was happening).
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on Aug 11, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dotel the player
I was sitting near that section. Did you see how much time Dotel spent talking to the blonde?
My wife claims she saw the blonde sign some paper and pass it to Dotel, so he likely got something for his laudable p.r. work
by vaughan3 on Aug 11, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see the blonde, just a constant stream of kids.
I was not playing too close att’n, though.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on Aug 11, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to get his mind off the terrifying atmosphere
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember. it's not just the game situation.
it’s the whole atmosphere.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dotel vs. Mike Lowell =
The stoppable force vs. the movable object.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess the ambiance wasn't right, huh. must have been the natural lighting and serene setting.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sun shines...
on a dog’s ass once in a while. Meh.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh huh. keep the pearls coming, atmosphere man.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he led the team in WPA yesterday
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense continues to pick up pitching, a trend that will need to continue
Just get to the tourney and anything can happen. The Tigers are not a realistic threat at this point and the Twins are going on a gut check road trip. It’s time to make hay while the sun shines. The continued offense from Quentin, Thome and Dye is huge—none of these guys appears to be slowing down.
AJ continues to be brutal in the 2 hole, and it’s costing the big three quite a few RBI chances. Ozzie should have plugged Swisher back into leadoff and O-Cab down to 2nd long ago, well, I think these last two weeks or so have cemented that.
Count’s injury sucks obviously, but I’m feeling OK about Carasco as a 5th starter for 1/4 season. It’s the bullpen that is more worrisome. Linebrink needs to come back and be effective by the end of August IMO, or the team will continue to need big leads - something the offense and starting pitching have not shown an ability to consistantly provide - in order to be successful.
If Liney can come back effective it slots the bullpen guys to where they should be—Thornon and Dotel for the 6th and 7th, Liney in the 8th, and the fat man in the 9th. Jenks looked good today, that was a positive.
All in all a good win and with Danks going tommorow against a weakened Boston lineup I like the chances of a three out of four series.
by madvillian on Aug 10, 2008 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
definitely agree with ya on AJ...fucking sucking it up
you can even leave OC in the leadoff slot and put swish in the two hole
i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry
by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we will win tomm
But I agree we do need Linebrink back (and performing as well)... that is my biggest worry about the team right now. Not downplaying the offense, because they have been pretty good. But you need a bullpen to win obviously
by 815Sox on Aug 11, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on that note
insert Q superman picture here
by 815Sox on Aug 11, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd is a huge key down the stretch
Glad to see Gavin notch a W. I just wrote on my own blog last night that biggest keys down the stretch are Gavin, Javy, Thornton and Dotel. We simply have to get quality outings out of Gavin and Javy consistently, and I think we will. Thornton and Dotel need to bridge the gap to Bobby, and despite their high ERA recently they both have solid K rates. We’re just giving up way too many hits as a staff. If we cut down on that (partly the fault of our D) we’ll be fine. And will be…because we’re going to playoffs.
The funny thing about Gavin is that I can totally see him making a bet like that. I remember watching the game he pitched against Detroit earlier this year when he took a no-no deep into the game (the first time) and I said to my buddy that there was no way he has the stones to complete it. He just looks scared and unsure of himself…and it shows in his control. I like Gavin and he has wicked stuff…I just want to see more assertiveness and confidence in him. I have no first hand knowledge, but I would think that this has to drive Ozzie crazy.
(by the way…longtime reader but first time poster. I really like this site a lot…keep up the good work!)
Jerod Morris
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com
by Midwest Sports Fans on Aug 10, 2008 11:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hard to be confident when you can't repeat your mechanics consistently enough to throw good strikes
through 6 innings
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I"m trying to figure out how these two sentences relate
The funny thing about Gavin is that I can totally see him making a bet like that. I remember watching the game he pitched against Detroit earlier this year when he took a no-no deep into the game (the first time) and I said to my buddy that there was no way he has the stones to complete it.
I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 11, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In relation to the original post...
The original post mentioned that Gavin had lost a bet that if he won 12 games he would have to shave his head. The point is that Gavin always looks terrified and rarely, if ever, has a confident expression on his face…hence the lack of surprise at him making the bet where he expects to NOT win a certain number of games, and the lack of confidence in him completing a no-hitter.
I like Gavin, and he has good stuff when he’s on…but he can be terrifyingly frustrating to watch sometimes.
Jerod Morris
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com
by Midwest Sports Fans on Aug 11, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Gavin is emo to the core. He didnt expect to do well enough to win 12 games, talk about being negative.
At least he lost the goofy haircut.
This comment adds nothing of worth but I thought it needed to be said.
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 11, 2008 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if the members of this site only posted the comments that added worth
sss would have been shut down by now. or at least it would be a ghost town.
/worthless comment about worthless comments.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on Aug 11, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our comments had to have merit
I never would have registered here.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw this posted at another Sox board...
Gammons said he expects the White Sox to try and trade for Washburn tomorrow.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope they want The Arsonist
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send them MacDougal *and* Wasserman
Little did we know that Wasserman is German for “thermite”
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on Aug 11, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We wish...
But anyways, so whomever the White Sox wish to trade for Washburn also has to clear waivers if they are currently on the 40-man roster, right? And any minor leaguer not on the 40-man roster can be traded at will?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not as funny.
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 11, 2008 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great...before you know it, all of the characters will be gone. the chemistry is sure to follow. :-(
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can all see Ozuna was a huge part of the pitching staff
He leaves, they are posting 5+ ERAs
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on Aug 11, 2008 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this weekend series has done enough damage to any claim AJ had to the 2nd spot
I know others will say batting order isn’t all that important, but if it’s going to cost you a few runs, why not re-tool it to make it more effective for a playoff run? What’s so scary about batting Swisher 2nd or leadoff, and putting AJ before Chelexi?
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's just the bitching i'm against.
i think it’s pretty obvious that AJ in the two hole isn’t optimized
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's surprising that no change has been made yet...
Swisher has 70 walks to Pierzynski’s 16. For all the OBP talking Ozzie did before the season, it seems like he more or less looks at batting averages mainly. The fact that Swisher is a decent baserunner and also has more speed than the turtle Pierzynski makes it an even more surprising non-move by Ozzie.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One can only hope...
Swisher (.352 OBP) should definitely replace Pierzynski (.318 OBP) in the two spot.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention that swisher sees over a pitch more (4.54) than aj (3.34) per pa.
can’t hurt q! and jd to get more extended looks prior to an ab.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but we should stop bitching about this (and maybe e-mail ozzie, kenny, rick hahn, etc. instead).
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it will matter...
Ozzie makes dee focking lineup.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Twins won this years WS
with a leadoff man OBPing .292. There must be more than one way to do this.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Aug 11, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though Hawk thinks Carlos Gomez is a sure-fire Hall of Famer...
the Twins were smart enough to remove him from the leadoff spot and replace him with Denard Span and his .404 OBP.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah yeah, you're right
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Aug 11, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he's not. they only went to span after they'd clinched.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Span ain't going to keep that up
and isn’t Gomez done for the year or whatever?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not but it is working so far.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this photo

Ooooo it’s so shiny, can I do blow off it?
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate that douchebag
The supposed ‘president of course”... why didn’t that pretzel finish the job
by 815Sox on Aug 11, 2008 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the blind date must have gone very well.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
It actually went pretty well..
anyways, my dad had tickets to this game, but auctioned them off at a fundraiser. Some big BoSox fans paid a decent sum for tonight… suckers
by 815Sox on Aug 11, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll call her stella blue.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Song
I’m thinking about hitting up Ratdog/ABB on the 28th
by 815Sox on Aug 11, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
at charter one? should be great, as long as you love abb. ratdog has disappointed last two times i've seen them, including last month.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Washburn is scheduled to pitch against Garland and the Angels on Tuesday in L.A.
We shall see if he is still a Seattle Mariner by that game.
One nice thing I noticed about Washburn is that he has been much better on the road this year instead of using a big home ballpark to skew his numbers. He has also pitched well at The Cell in his career.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox pursuing Washburn...
Unless a waiver trade can be made - and the Sox are pursuing Seattle Mariners left-hander Jarrod Washburn - manager Ozzie Guillen plans to slide right-handed reliever D.J. Carrasco into Contreras’ spot in the rotation.
According to Phil Rogers, the Rockies wanted Aaron Poreda in any deal for Brian Fuentes…
When Williams talked to Colorado about highly sought reliever Brian Fuentes, the Rockies told him they wouldn’t make the deal unless it included 2007 first-round pick Aaron Poreda, who is finding the strike zone without losing his high-90s fastball. Williams will consider deals for available starters, such as Cleveland’s Paul Byrd, but don’t be surprised if Williams opts for a look at Poreda, promoting him to take Contreras’ turn against Kansas City on Thursday.
In going 11-11 since the All-Star break, the White Sox have averaged 5.4 runs per game. That would be a comfortable level of run support if the Sox were pitching well, but they’re not. That’s why general manager Ken Williams traded for left-hander Horacio Ramirez, who replaces the not-ready-for-prime-time Boone Logan, and continues to search for a starter.Cleveland’s Paul Byrd is a great fit but seems unlikely to clear waivers to facilitate a post-deadline trade.
I don’t think anybody but the MLB and its teams actually know which players have cleared waivers. I have seen articles saying that both Washburn and Byrd have not yet cleared waivers and also some articles saying that they both have cleared waivers.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 1:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think we can be confident that phil sure doesn't know.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still awake?
Forget to take your melatonin? OPOS.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Aug 11, 2008 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah no kidding
what does phil do anyway? is he actually their beat guy or what?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tribune Sports Editor to Phil "Hey we need some filler material for the page, you got anything else to do?"
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 11, 2008 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off to Chicago - have a great week.
If you are at the game Wednesday look for the douchebag in the Alexei shirt in a sky box making a drunken ass of himself – that would be me.
My fervent hope is we are still in 1st by next Sunday, when I get home.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 11, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
an appropriate alert has been issued to the opponent's first base coach.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's KC - gotta keep up the tradition.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 11, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Represent!
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If want to hit Miller's Pub before the game, I'll pick up the tab...
Say around 3:30 or 4:00? Easy to jump on the El from there too.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
by Chiburb on Aug 11, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to go!! Bill Veeck section?
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but the crap is off the walls for "renovation". Bartender says 'back in a month'.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
by Chiburb on Aug 11, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"...another project you should see later this week."
Such the tease. I’m betting it’s a lovely Q-collage.
by palehose67 on Aug 11, 2008 8:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 words: shoebox diorama.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. New slogan - "Treadmill to Nowhere" no longer accurate (since we're in first).
2. Starting a pool on who is the next Sox to change his facial/head hair (Shave? Dye? Grow?).
I can’t wait.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 11, 2008 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My new slogan nomination
“The damage is quite severe”
I think it works on many levels.
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on Aug 11, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New slogan
“God you are so fucking stupid.”
or
“I suck….the Sox don’t.”
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That slogan got added while we were in 1st, though.
When Vin Scully said that about Ozzie “watching a treadmill….”
So it wasn’t a nod to our standing, but rather to our inability to score runs with RISP.
I think we should leave it for the time – and nominate Thome’s “The damage is quite severe” if we see October.
"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM
by homesickalien on Aug 11, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've got 2
“BLAAAAAAAARGH”
or
“Chocolate Thunder Flying, Glass Flying, Robinzine Crying, Babies Crying, Glass Still Flying, Catch Crap, Rump Roasting, Bun Toasting, Thank You, Wham, Bam, I Am Jam.”
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Aug 11, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dawkins fan from Lovetron!
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Aug 11, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bent my wookie...
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Aug 11, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe something with Legos?
ala BatGirl?
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
by Chiburb on Aug 11, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if gavin wins 15 games
he’ll get an “i love bobby jenks” tattoo on his ass.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Aug 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't get it.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Aug 11, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team...
reminds me of the 2000 White Sox. A pitching staff where a guys pitch over their heads for a few months, an offense centered around the home run, and injuries and regression taking their toll down the stretch.
I just hope that they can hold on as the 2000 team did.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In US Cellular, would you prefer an offense centered around the bunt?
by madvillian on Aug 11, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at who is posting. he loves singles.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not again with the
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNN’
Singles.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Brian Anderson?
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Podsednik.
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on Aug 11, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stated no preference...
merely made an observation.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do miss Ray Durham and the heart of our lineup choking big time against Seattle
The collective ERAs of all the starting pitchers that year…
SP *Jim Parque 4.28
SP *Mike Sirotka 3.79
SP James Baldwin 4.65
SP Cal Eldred 4.58
SP Kip Wells 6.02
SP Jon Garland 6.46
That staff was never that good to begin with, they just had tons of run support. This current staff was actually the ones carrying the team early on.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true that about the offense
but the league ERA in ‘00 was 4.91, and this year its 4.25. So the top 4 guys weren’t really too bad. And the pen was very solid.
I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator
by Nordhagen on Aug 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank's 0 for 9 was pretty sweet...
but they walked him 4 times. The Valenstache was the only guy to show up to that series.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durham was solid as well
I just remember Game 3 when Wunsch got hit in the stomach, and flung the ball past 1st.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas started listening to all the sportswriters...
who were complaining that he was walking too much. Piniella made sure that Thomas never saw a hittable pitch, and Thomas started chasing bad pitches out of frustration.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I remember it.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White Sox acquire Franklyn German
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the Pirates have traded minor league pitcher Franklyn German to the White Sox for a player to be named.
German posted a 2.08 ERA in 21 2/3 innings for the Rangers, but he was outrighted and opted for free agency. The righty signed with the Pirates, where he had a 3.58 ERA in 27 2/3 innings at Triple-A. The White Sox are scrambling for pitching depth, and German could join their bullpen soon. He’ll have to work on his 37/30 K/BB ratio so far this year.
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Related: White Sox
by shaftr on Aug 11, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope German is headed to Charlotte to serve as bad bullpen insurance...
and that this isn’t Kenny’s big move. Washburn, plz.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell of a bullpen in Charlotte
MacDougal, Wasserman, Logan, German….lots of walks.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Washburn...
owed something like $10 million in 2009? No, thanks.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who fills out your rotation then next year?
wait, forget it, i already know your answer.
i don’t think the guy who still professes to be happy with and expects the sox to be 81-81 this year should be seriously opining.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
Someone without an 8-figure salary. The fifth starter isn’t that important.
Washburn is lousy, anyway. It’s not like it’ll be hard to find someone to replace his expected production.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, shit, jer. let's acquire whoever this guy is. you get a few names together and i'll get you rick hahn's phone number.
and i think your assertion that a fifth starter isn’t important is patently ridiculous. if you want to be a legit team these days, you need six capable starters. look around the league jer.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the idea...
is to acquire a below-average starter, you don’t need to go out and acquire anyone. Put Clayton Richard out there, or Charlie Haeger, or Tomo Ohka. They have plenty of crappy starting pitchers – they don’t need to go out and trade for another one, and then give him $10 million to be crappy next year, too.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
oh yeah. clayton richard worked out real well. haeger would be just fantastic. ohka, lol, now i know you’re not serious. if you think any of those are as good as jarrod washburn, tell me another, jer. christ. where oh where do you come up with this stuff?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 4.76 ERA...
in Safeco, with crappy peripherals? Washburn sucks. Saying “lol” doesn’t make it not so.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just let me know when the sox have someone who can produce at the level of a #4 starter, jer.
marginal utility seems to be a concept you just don’t get. but, then, you’d be absolutely blown away if the sox as constituted missed out on the playoffs by a game because they decided to plug tomo fucking ohka into their rotation.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Jarrod Washburn...
would be much better.
“Marginal utility” in this case probably means the Sox lose 6-4 instead of 8-4.
If Jarrod Washburn is your only hope, you might as well just wrap things up and go home.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really have no concept whatsoever of replacement level, do you?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and forget replying. you don't have the first clue so there's no reason.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad I tuned in
for today’s action.
Larry going for the pin….JRE trying to squirm out.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what "replacement level" is.
So Washburn is probably slightly better than the minor-league options the Sox currently have. At this point in the season, who cares? What’s that worth for this season? A win? Honestly, I doubt it’s even that much.
And then you’re going to give him almost 10% of your payroll for 2009. Brilliant.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10% of the payroll, huh? you and jr must be tight for you to know what the sox 2009 'roll is going to look like.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry tags out to Toonderstrook
Toonderstrook with the clothesline to JRE.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to look at Washburn's outings lately...
Lots of quality starts. He has also been better on the road than at home so you can’t call it the Safeco effect.
Of course, you are probably going to say that Washburn’s quality starts mean nothing because he is pitching for a non-contending team.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What it boils down to...
is that the Sox have already played 116 games. The fifth starter is going to go (at most) ten more times this year. Over ten games, the difference between Washburn vs. anyone else the Sox can scrounge up is angels on a pinhead time.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or about seven runs.
at least do a calculation first.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many runs in a win?
10?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. and i will freely admit that my calcluation is a tad aggressive, considering i don't think highly of the sox potential replacements. but i don't see how anyone could assert the difference is less than four. so a half win.
and, lo and behold, what’s the lead?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Twins are a half game behind and it's mid-August
every. run. matters.
which reminds me: i owe penance to everyone i told the lineup doesn’t matter. we do want to win this thing right?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clayton Richard helped the Sox lose 2 games in 3 starts...
Washburn has been throwing quality start after quality start lately. The possibility of more wins in 10 games is huge when the Twins are only half a game back.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct sir
see above
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washburn is probably on par with what Contreras would have given us.
I assume this means that you think Richard, Haeger, and Ohka are all just as good of options as Contreras?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A fifth starter can actually be skipped a few times over the course of a season...
but how could any White Sox fan ever say that a fifth starter isn’t important? Did you watch any Sox games a few years back?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jerry can't abide someone else paying their own money to win baseball games.
and apparently wants his prediction of the sox sucking to come true.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I understand not wanting to waste big money contracts on aging players...
because that can kill a GM’s plans in the long-term. But Washburn is younger than Contreras and it would essentially be a one year contract. $10 million isn’t expensive for a #4 starter these days. And the following rotation for now and next season looks a helluva lot better than one with Richard, Haeger, Ohka, or Broadway in it…
Buehrle
Vazquez
Danks
Floyd
Washburn
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you've got it nailed down.
it’s certainly not ideal. but thems the breaks. or the ruptures, as the case may be.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's too late in the season...
for that to make much of a difference.
If Washburn wasn’t under contract for 2009, I’d be fine with the Sox picking him up. But as it is, the costs outweigh the benefits.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too late in the season with a 0.5 game lead?
What?
Clayton Richard had three starts in the blink of an eye and added two losses to the Sox record. You are trying to tell me that Washburn possibly (and perhaps, likely) throwing quality starts in those two games wouldn’t have made much of a difference?
The Sox have been to the playoffs twice in the past 14 years. The cost damn sure doesn’t outweigh the benefits.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think this is futile, especially until jre can see that $10 for next year is not that big a deal.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if Washburn...
came with a playoff guarantee stapled to his ass, that would be another thing entirely.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jerry, you sure have a bad case of vaginitis.
it’s time to sack up and roll the dice.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What ever comes with a guarantee?
The Cubs added Rich Harden whose arm can fall off at any time. But if he stays healthy by playoff time, there’s not many teams that would want to face him in the postseason.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the cubs should have just traded murton and gallagher to the white sox for richard, ohka, or haeger. :-(
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's stupid.
the thing that’s nice about someone like Richard, Ohka, and Haeger is that you don’t have to give up anyone for them.
And Rich Harden is a lot better than Washburn. A lot better. Not to mention six years younger.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course it was stupid.
but not any more stupid than being unwilling to take on a guy with a non-exorbitant 2009 salary for what he is without some sort of playoff guarantee “stapled to his ass.”
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet somehow produced slightly less VORP than washburn over the past four seasons. huh.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 year contract. Age isn't much of a factor, if any.
And we’re not going to be giving anyone up for Washburn.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it's not like Washburn throws hard to get his outs...
so I don’t see how his age is a big factor for another year. He gets outs with breaking stuff, not really his fastball.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the man is remarkable in his unremarkable consistency.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he was going to be 30+ and has a fringy fastball
to begin with it might have been an issue. going, like Count was, from an acceptable fastball velo to one that is no longer. that’s not really the case here, since he’s had Buehrle-esque velo for a while right? he’s learned how to pitch with what he’s got and there’s not a lot that can change his stuff for the worse at this point.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bad thing about Richard, Ohka, and Haeger is that they suck...
and would get rocked in the majors.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if they suck...
you dump them and find someone else who sucks slightly less. No fuss, no muss.
If Washburn sucks, too bad, you’re stuck with him.
If I understand larry correctly, you’re paying $10 million and handing over a guaranteed rotation spot in 2009 to a guy for somewhere between four and seven fewer runs allowed in 2008. And that’s assuming that nobody the Sox have would get lucky in a small sample size (a la DJ Carrasco) and pitch, you know, decently.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
vaginitis. grow a pair, jer. or at least pretend like you're a white sox fan.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah pretty much
that’s the math. getting into the playoffs is worth it. the payoff is remarkable. you don’t have the luxury of games to throw away anymore, so certainty has far more value at this stage. washburn is certainty. it’s worth paying for.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and who gives a flying fuck about next year. i just don't get jerry on this one. he thinks the sox will suck for years. including next year.
i’ll ask again, does anyone think the sox have a better chance of competing next year than right now? if not, who cares about the $10M?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when SSH was the one rooting for the Sox to fail?
That’s the power of JRE.
I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 11, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the end.. it’s not like we couldn’t find someone to take Washburn on as their number 5 next year anyways. Just like you would take Washburn if this was the last year of his deal, someone else will be happy to get 2009 out of him, might even get a prospect or B compensation out of him.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile, in the time it takes to sort through...
the junk that is Richard, Ohka, and Haeger, you add 5 more losses.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where have you been?
An average #4 starting pitcher for $10 million dollars is not expensive. The Brewers paid $10 million for one year of Eric Gagne.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does he care about the money if reinsdorf doesn't?
that’s the real unanswered question.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand that either...
The Sox spent $4.5 million for a year of Juan Uribe, whom I believe JRE actually likes but he is unwilling to spend $10 million on a #4 starter for one year.
It is boggling my mind.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jerry is worried that this $10M will cause the sox to lose 90 games, instead of the 87 he predicted.
and, of course, his boy charlie haeger will be blocked by washburn. oh, the horror. and trading for him might be the difference in making the postseason. and jerry wouldn’t want to experience the joy of postseason baseball in chicago. too much excitement gives the mrs. and him indigestion.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haeger is putting up a 4.70 ERA at Charlotte...
but he is going to come to the Sox and match Washburn’s 4.76 ERA in the majors (which is actually on a big decline in his past 10 starts or so).
Enough with the Haeger love, JRE. If he is in the Sox rotation this season, enjoy watching some moon-shots fly out of The Cell… and they won’t be flying off the bats of Quentin, Dye, or Thome.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't just be blocked by Washburn...
Haeger is out of options after 2008. He’ll be gone after this year.
But I guess it’ll be nice to finish only three games back in 2008 instead of five.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol. you're right. i forgot the twins already clinched.
silly me for not being a pussy who throws in the towel. raise that white flag.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you are saying
lets just blow up the team?
WTF didn’t you tell Kenny that before 7/31? Dammit!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I might shed a tear if the Sox lose Haeger...
Actually, probably not. It would probably cause me to pause, scratch my ass, and then move on with my life once I realize that Haeger is not very good.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and there's no reason to assume that he'd be gone at this point anyway.
it’s not like there’s masset (and i mean the actual masset) hanging around. long man role is up for grabs next year.
not that i’m caring a great deal, either.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
and then Kenny could trade Haeger and Getz for the rotting corpse of Gary Sheffield at the deadline next season, haha.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to someone
on this Board, Getz is the next big thing…a future HOF’er.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but so is sheff.
and i hear he can play center.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would that be?
I’ve never heard anyone say that.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably the person he replied to, no?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that...
I think Getz can be a pretty good utility guy though. And if Ozzie is not going to even start Fields at DH against a lefty, Kenny may as well replace him with Getz.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We shall see
what this young lad Getz can bring to the table – a young Roy Hobbs? Or a white D’Angelo Jimenez..
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JRE = the only man who was pumped up by the White Flag trade.
I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 11, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mind...
the White Flag trade. Howry and Foulke alone made that trade worthwhile.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyway you can posterize this or make a statue of
this quote or something????
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would be a terrific Indians fan
Fear of success, a GM who stockpiled prospects but shies away from go-for-broke moves and maintains a healthy bottom line.
I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 11, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Fear of success"?
I’m not sure what that means.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
you gotta go for it…not just roll over and die. I just don’t want to give up too much to get him. Pay the money and cross jerry’s fingers.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Aug 11, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just enjoy how jerry is worried about $10 million for one year. a year that jerry thinks the white sox will suck, regardless of whether washburn would be on the team or not.
raise your hand if you think the white sox’ chances of the playoffs are better right now as opposed to 2009.
now raise your hand if they’re better next year. (crickets)
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my thing.
Like I say above.. if he really cares about money.. you honestly think we can’t move a league average pitcher who is only making 10 million on the last year of his deal? Someone would be happy to take him.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why didn't they when they had the chance then? he was on waivers, after all.
$10M+ isn’t a great deal, even for one year of him. this isn’t an ideal situation. the sox will be stuck with him, at least for most of the season (unless they want to eat salary, which we all know they won’t). but that’s the price. and it should be paid, assuming the mariners reduce their ridiculous demands.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If a deal for Adam Dunn can be worked out...
I’m sure a deal for Washburn can be worked out.
So why the hell didn’t the Reds trade Dunn before the non-waiver deadline again? Is he really that undervalued by most teams due to his defense and low batting average?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he doesn't really like baseball all that much
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
part of the problem likely was that there weren't really that many teams looking for an outfielder like him.
and the reds probably were asking too much, as well. it’s not like dunn is a great fit in arizona. it’s a shoehorn job for sure.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True...
Too many 1B / LF types already—Conor Jackson, Chad Tracy, and now Adam Dunn.
Realistically, you would want all three of them in your lineup but the defense would be pretty bad. Maybe they try Tracy back in RF like they have in the past? They are definitely hurting on offense.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
similarly
he wouldn’t have been that great a fit for us either
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely not...
and I didn’t say that we should be either.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't implying
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly better than what we got -- I think Dunn has played some 1st, no?
Though I strongly suspect they would have given up Dunn for who we gave up.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's say if dunn was a good fit for us
we can’t do better than dallas buck? i would rather wait and see who the other 2 players are first before evaluating.
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
frankly, unless the sox were going to include poreda or fields,
i don’t see two players in the sox’ system that i wouldn’t think i could do better with the compensation picks.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it will be interesting to see one of those playing right field.
probably will be worse than even our worst nightmares of dye in right.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume it will be Tracy...
He has played RF in the past, although he isn’t good there. But it would keep Dunn and Jackson at the positions they have played the most. Meanwhile, Jackson has never played RF and while Dunn has played RF, he is a butcher in LF so I am sure it is out of the question.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Karabell on
ESPN Baseball Today podcast is a plain jerk. He dismissed the Contreras injury as irrelevant to the White Sox because, according to him, 1) Contreras hadn’t pitched well recently (so, he was entirely ignorant of Contreras having pitched through an injury that he did not admit to and hadn’t watched how Contreras looked in his two innings on Saturday); and 2) the White Sox’ biggest problem is hitting, not pitching.
How do these national commentators get a job with no knowledge or homework about what they are charged with commenting on? Leaves you quite suspicious of their comments about any other team if their homework on those teams matches what insight they offer on the White Sox.
by VAChisox on Aug 11, 2008 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing is that when it really matters -- political analysis
The traditional media is just as bad. From the NYTs running with the unsubstantiated WMD claims from the Bush administration to Fox News comparing Obama’s dap to a “terrorist fist jab” to refusing to run with the John Edwards story because they got scooped by the National Enquirer.
by madvillian on Aug 11, 2008 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put,
I call it general laziness that never used to be part of journalism, sports or politics. Why do the hard work of research, digging beneath the surface, when you can be cute, funny, and sarcastic. Entertain rather than inform.
Of course, this blog space excels at both.
by VAChisox on Aug 11, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely right
Journalists never overlooked anything, nor expressed opinions in what was supposed to be straight reporting, back in the Good Old Days. Now they all suck.
(He says, eyes rolling.)
I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 11, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. everything was better in the past.
now get off my fucking lawn.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the cholera was better in the good ole days
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on Aug 11, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thinned the herd.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
there was shoddy work and laziness in the past; the point that I am trying to make is that sports (and news) reporting now, especially on the national networks and 24/7 outlets is far more geared to pure entertainment and personality than any kind of sustained analysis of anything. Just witness the very effective satires the Daily Show does on cable news that expose the shallowness of what passes for political reporting on 24/7 news. Karabell today seemed so much more inclined to make funny jokes than offer information that might inform people about Contreras’s injury. Far easies to make a snide remark than investigate what the potential impact of the Contreras injury really is.
by VAChisox on Aug 11, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it may be a bad time for newspapers
but it doesn’t mean that “back in the old days” everything was actually better. substantive evidence required.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
everything wasn’t better back then, a minor point of my original post that has become the object of focus. Great journalists wrote in the past as did lousy ones; great journalists remain today as do lousy ones.
My essential point, however, was that how can a national show dedicated to a review of the weekend in baseball get the Contreras injury so wrong. I attributed it to the laziness of the host and his insistent efforts to be cute. My complaint was that if he gets the White Sox wrong, what else is he getting wrong? And if he’s not willing to do the research required to put on a national broadcast, then ESPN should find somebody else to do it.
by VAChisox on Aug 11, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or you should stop watching espn?
i mean, really? that’s where you get, or want to get, your baseball news? you know the ‘e’ stands for ‘entertainment’, right? what is it that you’re complaining about again?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
I don’t “get” my baseball news from ESPN. I tune in periodically with interest in seeing how the White Sox are portrayed nationally, which is often not very good. And for whatever it’s worth, much of America gets its sports news from ESPN just as it gets its politics from Fox News and CNN.
by VAChisox on Aug 11, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's not worth anything. you don't have to be as dumb as much of america.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Daily Show shoots at fish in a barrel
24-hour news stations = plenty of time to say stupid things.
Though back when there were only three channels, the 24-hour news stations never slipped up.
I CAN'T STAND IT.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Aug 11, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
back when there were only three channels
you suggesting media monopolies/mergers increase quality of reporting? because i doubt that’s what you think…
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aw, yeah. left wing anti-corporatists throw-down!
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
say what?
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's mocking you
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Aug 11, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Optioned LHP Boone Logan to Triple-A Charlotte. Placed RHP Jose Contreras on the 15-day disabled list with a ruptured left Achilles’ tendon. Recalled LHP Lance Broadway from Triple-A Charlotte. Purchased the contract of INF Chris Getz from Triple-A Charlotte.
href=”http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=cws” >
by ozziesmallballs on Aug 11, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hit post instead of preview...
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=cws
So Broadway to start in place of Jose???
by ozziesmallballs on Aug 11, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now...
it’s Carrasco to the rotation, Broadway to the bullpen.
This is subject to change, of course.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Carroll of BP on Contreras
Contreras came back and promptly went down again, putting his 2009 season and possibly even his career in jeopardy after rupturing his Achilles tendon. Many asked if this had any connection to his previous DL stint, and the answer is no. It’s a confluence of weakness and odd positioning that ends up with Contreras heading for extensive surgery on his landing leg. Some smart emailers have asked whether having tendonitis in one part of his body could affect another in regards to medication, but while cortisone can weaken tendons, it’s a very local drug, so this is another unlikely factor. At best, Contreras will be back around Opening Day of next season, but that’s a very aggressive plan, especially given his age. He’s under contract and has worked in relief in the past, so that could be an option for him.
Coffee is for closers.
by vince_ on Aug 11, 2008 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gee, thanks Will, that's great insight.
I kinda thought being big boned, tall, and a million years old going trying to go from 0-60 on an awkward run would kinda have more of an effect than, you know, a shoulder injury.
by madvillian on Aug 11, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh so terrible to answer the question of your readers, huh.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his email answers last night said everything
he doesn’t know that much yet because the specifics, particularly Count’s age, aren’t known. and come on, Will is awesome.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Floyd didn't think he could win 12 games?
Way to set the bar high, Gavin. Geez.
Living and dying by the home run is fun to watch…I just hope the bats don’t go cold and it bites us in the ass.
"We were the never-say-die White Sox tonight." - Nick Swisher (8/5/08)
by tailgater on Aug 11, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Its not like we are totally unable to move people around the bases.. or are you talking more about needing homeruns to make up more for our currently below average pitching
by 815Sox on Aug 11, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking about the team's continued pattern
of getting in a hole early and then needing dingers to make up for it.
I love to see the long ball like the next guy, but I’d like to see more solid pitching and run manufacturing in the mix.
"We were the never-say-die White Sox tonight." - Nick Swisher (8/5/08)
by tailgater on Aug 11, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 wins for him was a pretty high bar to set.
We were supposed to be a fourth place team and he was never a good pitcher before. Had the lineup been as bad as expected (i.e. carlos quentin was not the best player of all time) and the bullpen anythign like last years, 12 wins would have been pretty impressive.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 11, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without Q on this team
I’d say that’s a pretty realistic view of this season. I mean…..Jerry Owens?
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about "without ridiculous luck, that's a pretty realistic view"?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you had told me at the start of the year...
that in early August Quentin and Dye would be MVP candidates, Alexei Ramirez would be a Rookie of the Year candidate, Danks and Floyd would both have ERAs under four, Detroit would be under .500, and Cleveland would be in last place, having surrendered the season… well, I probably would have told you that you were nuts.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Kenny a genius or just really lucky?
"We were the never-say-die White Sox tonight." - Nick Swisher (8/5/08)
by tailgater on Aug 11, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't he be both?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little from column A...
a little from column B.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
30% Genius 70% Lucky
"We were the never-say-die White Sox tonight." - Nick Swisher (8/5/08)
by tailgater on Aug 11, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta be more than that
Alexei I’ll give you at least. But he’s the one who gave the extension to Dye and traded our sole position prospect for Q.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Debatable: Who should be AL MVP?
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=21923
Nothing particularly interesting other than Stark picking Q as his MVP with almost 2 months left in the season, but I liked this blurb.
Scogginator New York: How can you not take A-Rod in this spot? Seems like the Yankees would be in last without him.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
but for espn/stark,
i was surprised he brought up how rbi is not the best metric for evaluation. he also said “out-ops’d”, haha
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not everyone in the baseball world is as dense as
Joe Morgan, Bill Plaschke, or Mike Downey.
The Downey article after the Griffey trade will probably go down as the most hilarious thing written in print journalism all year.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rob neyer isn't dense?
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really listen/follow too many baseball analysts
I prefer coming here.
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
although i'm glad he responded how he did, stark didn't bring up how rbi is not the best metric...a question did.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true dat
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who should be MVP and who will be MVP are two different things...
If I were to pick an MVP right now, I’d probably go with Sizemore with guys like Kinsler, A-Rod and Mauer also in the running. Mauer might be a bit of a stretch, as he’s 16th in the AL in VORP, but he gets points for being a well above-average defensive catcher.
As far as who will win, it might very well come down to Quentin versus Morneau. Both have pretty good counting stats and both figure to play prominent roles in how their team does down the stretch. Plus, I don’t really see any MVP candidates on LAA, Boston (Youkilis?) or Tampa Bay (Longoria, maybe).
by CWSKeith on Aug 11, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's between morneua, kinsler and hamilton. and it's not close after that.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quentin's having a better season than Morneau is.
I’d vote for Mauer before I voted for Morneau.
But you’re right – sportswriters love Justin Morneau for some reason.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe because he leads the AL in win shares above bench?
and has, like, six more than quentin and three more than mauer?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt that's why
but what’s up with the difference between his win shares and slash line?
.308/.389/.510 ain’t that outstanding. can his defense at first be that important?
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly.
“above bench” is the key.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, i'm a little lost.
and i know your patience is a little thing, but care to explain further?
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"replacement level" for 1Bs this year kind of sucks. that's what he's being compared to. hence, he looks better than he might otherwise.
or if he were an outfielder.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah.
so why does that make him your pick? isn’t that more of a flukey thing that it happens to be a down year for 1B? i mean he’s at 1B, it isn’t like all of those OF in question couldn’t play there.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's just one stat.
he also is right behind hamilton in WPA, a category q also does well in. one can do this a number of ways.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah Q does really nicely in WPA
if the Sox win the Central, he’s going to have a good shot at it. should be ARod though, if you have to take it off a team competitive for a playoff spot.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like Jr. for the Sox?
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
by Chiburb on Aug 11, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*little thin
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think the voters will agree with you
Q will definitely finish in the top 3, with a chance at higher
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Aug 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course they won't.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about Hamilton
Him being a great story (the comeback and everything) probably makes up for the fact that he’s not on a playoff team. I don’t really care about that (to answer Toonder’s question below, I’d rather the MVP go to the best player regardless of how the rest of his team performs).
And looking at it more, I think Sizemore would have a pretty sizeable (pun most certainly intended) lead in my book. I just looked over his defensive runs saved that Dial posted at BTF and GS ranks as the third best defensive centerfielder in the AL. Add that to a his .303 EqA and his ranking of 3rd in the league in VORP and, well, there’s my MVP.
by CWSKeith on Aug 11, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it doesn't matter
But I just don’t like giving MVP’s to players on really bad teams or teams that have had really bad years.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Aug 11, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see K-Rod getting some votes as well, perhaps top 5?
I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 11, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you make any distinction between the idea of most outstanding player v. most valuable?
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
value to the team? i.e. the one who is most responsible for success of team?
isn’t that unfair to players that play on great teams with other great players?
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have no opinion on it. i just asked because i'm curious.
seems the whole mvp discussion is based on whether you treat the award like a most outstanding player award or a most valuable to team award. the latter can then be further broken down into whether the team needs to have been successful (making playoffs, being in the race the entire time, etc.).
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't really pay any attention to it
but i could see there being two awards i guess. one for mvp and one for mop. at least that way we could stop giving the shaft to outstanding seasons.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all sorts of funky factors eventually come into play late in the year as well.
take sizemore, for instance. having bailed on the season, will the indians give him some extra days off in september to (a) showcase others and/or (b) try to minimize injury? and does it also matter than post-roster expansion, while guys like quentin, morneau, youkilis, etc. are playing meaningful games down the stretch?
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why i don't really pay attention to it
it’s just kind of weird and difficult and the guys who vote on it aren’t very bright
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore has been ridiculous this year
and he plays friggin CF. He’s awesome.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would not have gotten this.
Jayson Stark:
“First off, let’s get this straight. The Rangers don’t have a losing record. In fact, since April 25, they’ve had a better record than the White Sox.”
Pitching, defense and health.
by ballyb on Aug 11, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a heck of a lineup...
they’ve got down there in Arlington. Too bad they don’t have anyone who can pitch.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it
that the Rangers end up with same team year in and year out? Always great hitting and no pitching. I believe that Fergie Jenkins still holds many of the team’s pitching records.
by VAChisox on Aug 11, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of it...
is indubitably their ballpark, but it seems that, as an organization, they have trouble recognizing and developing pitching talent.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 11, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this year at least they've pitched worse away from home, albeit not by a big margin.
definitely not the same home/road split difference with the hitters.
"anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?"
by Toonderstrook on Aug 11, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they trade away any good pitching talent that they do end up having...
You could make a pretty sexy rotation of starters that the Rangers have traded away…
Chris Young
John Danks
Edinson Volquez
Armando Galarraga
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both MVP's should come from Teh Cub this year, 'cause they're so good.
So, I’ll go wtih Soriano for NL and … Jody Davis for AL. Just because.
by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 11, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DBacks just got Adam Dunn
Breaking News on ESPNNews
by Jbasic89 on Aug 11, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dallas burk and two other players
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
burk was a third round pick so
i wonder who the other two players are
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one knows. because they were rushing to get the deal done. ptbnls.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
dang.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a boost for the diamondbacks
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 11, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah they needed a LF
and a RF considering Upton’s struggles. i wonder if they’ll sign him for next year. and i’ll be interested to see what the Reds got for Dunn. it’s got to be better than A comp.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a conor jackson fan?
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, it was said in ignorance
i’ve been kind of out of the loop lately. tracy’s been at first then?
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conor Jackson has been playing a lot in LF with Chad Tracy at 1B and Mark Reynolds at 3B.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guessed as much when larry mentioned him
they are not going to be good defensively on the corners.
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by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't going to be good defensively anywhere with the addition of Dunn...
except for CF with Chris Young.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
particularly with the loss of Hudson
isn’t Drew pretty solid at SS? either way, they are not an impressive team defensively. and they’ve still got holes in the lineup for sure. i’m not liking the peak of this DBacks team. they acquired talent, but didn’t translate it well into an MLB team, imo.
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