How badly are the Sox in trouble: Starting Pitching

by UribeAuction on Aug 12, 2008 6:06 PM CDT Comment 26 comments

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A short synopsis:

-Danks: Fine

-Buehrle: Fine, but far less okay as Danks

-Floyd: On his way down, but you all knew that already

-Vazquez: Yeah, not so good.

-Fifth Starter: Not what we want if we want to make the playoffs.

And, unfortunately, this White Sox rotation does not look like the rock-solid group that it was before the All-Star break. John Danks is the closest the White Sox have to a guarantee stopper in their rotation, and if the White Sox want to make the playoffs, they're going to need Buehrle and Vazquez to step up and assume the 1-2 ace roles they were expected to fill before the start of the season.

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when gavin get's his curveball established early he's a good stopper

i’m working on a piece that i’ll have posted tomorrow about the rotation…i’m gonna see javy’s start tonight…can add on to what you got here UA

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 12, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Exactly...

But if he can’t establish that, he can’t rely on his other pitches to get him through an outing.

Will...I...be...able...to...play...softball...tomorrow?
Oh, no, Mr. Scioscia. At this time tomorrow, you'll barely be able to breathe.

by UribeAuction on Aug 12, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Javy looked good tonight

Baby steps

Coffee is for closers.

by vince_ on Aug 12, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

very

i’m happy with the outing and i’m gonna wait and see burls pitch tomorrow before i finish up the piece i’m working on

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 12, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

now you just need to become a regular in the game threads and you're golden

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 13, 2008 1:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

of course

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 13, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe Gavin

is something like 7-1 following a loss. That is what stoppers do. Hence why they are called stoppers.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 13, 2008 11:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the 49 runs the white sox scored in those 7 wins had nothing to do with it. all gavin the stopper.

"i'm gonna beat you. and then my son chris is gonna beat you. it's gonna be an old fashioned father-son beat off!"

by Toonderstrook on Aug 14, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

flawless victory.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 14, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't be such a negative ninny

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Aug 14, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

more on gavin the stopper.

floyd has started 11 times following a white sox loss. in 4 of those 11, he has gone at least 7 without giving up more than one run. in the other 7, not so much.

gavin’s overall numbers in starts following sox loss:

11 starts
68 innings pitched
53 hits
36 runs/32 earned
28 walks (3.71 bb/9)
49 strikeouts (6.49 k/9)
1.19 whip
4.24 era

although gavin is 7-1 in those 11 starts with 3 no decisions, as mentioned above the white sox offense has scored quite a few runs in those games (73 in 11 games, or 6.64 runs/game). and moreover, this is not a case of a few blowouts running up the white sox run total. in the 11 games floyd has started following a loss, the sox have put up 2 runs once (floyd’s only loss), 5 runs once, 6 runs three times, 7 runs three times, 8 runs once, 9 runs once, and 10 runs once. oh, and the games in which floyd pitched exceptionally well? sox scored 6, 7, 7, and 8 in those four.

so, kenwo, what is it exactly that makes gavin the stopper here?

"i'm gonna beat you. and then my son chris is gonna beat you. it's gonna be an old fashioned father-son beat off!"

by Toonderstrook on Aug 14, 2008 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

woot!!! go you!!! toonders...

piece about danks is up….i’m doing floyd now…..it’ll be up tomorrow night sometime

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 14, 2008 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that k/bb looks kinda shitty

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 14, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the fact that

he won 7 and lost 1. Sure the offense hit well. He still could have gotten his ass kicked and got the loss. He pitched good enough for the team to win.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 14, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hawk harrelson's dolthead son

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 14, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

love child of hawk and joe morgan.

"i'm gonna beat you. and then my son chris is gonna beat you. it's gonna be an old fashioned father-son beat off!"

by Toonderstrook on Aug 14, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so the fact he didn't get his ass kicked makes him a stopper?

"i'm gonna beat you. and then my son chris is gonna beat you. it's gonna be an old fashioned father-son beat off!"

by Toonderstrook on Aug 14, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

seems the sox offense would be the stopper when gavin happens to be on the hill.

"i'm gonna beat you. and then my son chris is gonna beat you. it's gonna be an old fashioned father-son beat off!"

by Toonderstrook on Aug 14, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

all of you assholes

are saying how great washburn would be…but then you don’t like Floyd. Are you all completely out of your minds? seriously. What a group of assclowns.

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Aug 14, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

no one said we didn't like gavin ya shitcock....

open your fucking eyes and put two and two together…we’re just saying even though he’s 7-1 following a loss…his numbers that aren’t W/L aren’t that great…he’s had a solid year backed by solid run support…no one’s taking it away from him….and is this what you look like

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 14, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Exactly

He’s done a great job for a 5th starter, but he’s not a stopper by any means. I don’t think there are any real White Sox fans disappoitned in what he has done, but it doesn’t mean we think he’s a stopper. He’s pitched better than expectations, that’s all you can really ask out of a guy you expected to be a 5th starter.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 14, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll agree with you that, on average, we are a group of assclowns, but would you please refer to some statistical proof that Floyd and Washburn are similar pitchers or that Floyd is significantly better?

By casually looking through posts on this site, you should be able to glean that FIP is a relatively good way to compare pitchers (colintj, furby, or others, please correct me if I’m wrong). Comparing the FIP of Floyd to Washburn results in the following:

Year Floyd FIP (Innings) Washburn FIP (Innings)
2008 4.99 (140) 4.52 (135.2)
2007 6.07 (70) 4.77 (193.2)
2006 7.18 (54) 4.78 (1872)
2005 6.40 (26) 4.35 (177.1)
2004 4.04 (28.1) 4.52 (149.1)
2003 n/a 4.97 (207.1)
2002 n/a 3.71 (206)
2001 n/a 4.37 (193.1)

Kenwo, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but a little research to frame your argument works a lot better than just calling people names.

Also, I think what people have been getting at is Washburn is a better option than the other pitchers the Sox have available for a 5th stater (Broadway, Richard, Carasco, etc). If Seattle was willing to part with Washburn for cash or any “prospect” not named Poreda or Fields, I would certainly do it. What other option do we have for a 5th starter next year? At 10 million, Washburn isn’t ideal, but IMO he isn’t a bad idea either.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Aug 14, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well done.

"i'm gonna beat you. and then my son chris is gonna beat you. it's gonna be an old fashioned father-son beat off!"

by Toonderstrook on Aug 14, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well Broadway made you look semi-respectable today

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 14, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs