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Clayton Richard Is Surprised He Won Too

I closed yesterday's recap with a note that the Sox were due to give back the game they had just picked up on the Twins because of the incredibly lopsided pitching match-up facing them Tuesday night. Clayton Richard entered the game with zero major league wins, and hadn't allowed fewer than 5 runs or pitched more than 5 innings in any of his 3 previous big league starts. Felix Hernandez, on the other hand, is one of the best pitchers in baseball; he strikes guys out, he gets ground balls, he throws in the mid-90's, he doesn't allow many homers.

To put it another way, Hernandez is the pitcher you create when you're cheating on MVP baseball, while Richard is the pitcher you turn to when your 5th starter ruptures his Achilles and all the other options seem unpalatable. The Sox were supposed to get owned hard, like that kite-surfer who thought it would be fun to set sail in a tropical storm; but Richard was up to the task, and the White Sox offense chipped away at Hernandez in each of his 6 innings of work. Baseball is a funny game. Any team can beat any other team on any give night. Take your pick of any number of clichés.

If I was the type to draw drastic conclusions after one encouraging start--and I don't think I have to tell you that I'm not--I might say that Richard looked like he learned something from his first go around with the big club. I missed Richard's first start, so I don't really know how he struck out 7 in his big league debut. But I caught every pitch of his last three, and can see the makings of future major league pitcher.

Richard's main weapon is a fastball that he adds and subtracts off of to great effect. According to GameDay, Richard's fastball averaged 90.26 MPH on the night, yet some of his fastballs clock in around 86 and below, and one even hit 94.7 MPH. In both this start and the first four innings against the Twins, Richard showed a veteran's ability to ramp up his fastball to get key outs. In fact, the 94.7 MPH pitch was an expertly located 2-2 fastball to strike out Wladimir Balentien with 1-out and a man on third base.

Richard is still rough around the edges, however, as he showed when he once again threw away a throw to first on the opening play of the game. His secondary stuff still needs work and he always seems on the verge of giving up the big inning, but you can see the hints of a possible back-end rotation fixture in there somewhere.

The Sox offense, outside of General Soreness, is really clicking right now. Everyone had a base hit except Griffey and JD, who combined to ground into three double plays. We'll forgive Dye on account of his great season thus far, but Griffey needs to do something or take a seat for good. Swisher, Konerko, and Thome have all hit well since his acquisition, and I see no reason to worsen the defense in favor of less offense and a better box office draw.

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junior-

plz sit your ass on the bench.

kthxbai.

regards

you pos

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 19, 2008 11:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Seconded

but he's a capt'n, or is that crap'n

by Brush Back on Aug 19, 2008 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Sox matched their '07 win total

suck it Erstad… and Andy Gonzalez

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Aug 20, 2008 12:03 AM CDT reply actions  

and luis terrero

If I was a caterpillar and you were a caterpillar I would metamorphosize into a butterfly so that you could see the vast potential of your great beauty. And then you would change, and we would have changed. And it would be beautiful. Change is beautiful.

by furby2056 on Aug 20, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh and rob mackowiak and alex cintron too plz? kthxbai

If I was a caterpillar and you were a caterpillar I would metamorphosize into a butterfly so that you could see the vast potential of your great beauty. And then you would change, and we would have changed. And it would be beautiful. Change is beautiful.

by furby2056 on Aug 20, 2008 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

the lost ships of armadas past

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 20, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

and ryan bukvich

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 20, 2008 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

and michael myers

"as much as i hate dj i don't want him to get molested"- BuehrleMan

by U-God on Aug 20, 2008 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

and bret prinz

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 20, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Big Frank, Carl Everett and the Alomar Brothers

I’m just a bitter old man.

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Aug 20, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are being redundant

Old = bitter.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yet another shutout while General Soreness roams CF - I believe that's 3 or 4 times in a week that the Sox opponent has not scored while Griffey has been in the game in center.

Oh, and, just because he feels like it, Q channels Jerry Owens for a night. Well … not the actual Jerry Owens, but a theoretical Jerry Owens who does things like reach base on infield hits and steals third.

This team … she is rolling now.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 20, 2008 12:13 AM CDT reply actions  

we seem to finally have at least settled on what to expect from the players on this team

if, perhaps, not the team itself. and it only took us until mid august!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 20, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

idk i'm still waiting for juan to go out and take a bite of somebody's leg as they are standing on third base

that’s just me though

If I was a caterpillar and you were a caterpillar I would metamorphosize into a butterfly so that you could see the vast potential of your great beauty. And then you would change, and we would have changed. And it would be beautiful. Change is beautiful.

by furby2056 on Aug 20, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

First time in Felix' career that he didn't strike out a batter

amazing, considering the Sox had Uribe in the lineup

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Aug 20, 2008 12:31 AM CDT reply actions  

This is the new / Old carry the team Uribe.. not the real Uribe, he’s unstoppable force right now.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 20, 2008 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

WTF IS THIS SHIT!?

I read somewhere this was a loss, so I avoided the game threads of doom. Damnit people… next you’ll tell me the Twins haven’t already won the WS.

Also, can we name Clayton ‘Smiley’? Also, he’s gotta be the only young pitcher that actually wears his cap noticeably tilted up rather than flat or down like all the other kids these days. Mama wants him to show off that smile.

by Trooper on Aug 20, 2008 12:38 AM CDT reply actions  

i think the Joker is better

check out soxmachine

"as much as i hate dj i don't want him to get molested"- BuehrleMan

by U-God on Aug 20, 2008 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

using the bandbox to their advantage.

white sox have hit 111 home runs at home thus far; opponents 61.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 12:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Re: Mariners.

Richard.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't give me that shit

The Mariners have been more than a decent offense since the break (do some research :-)). And they certainly didn’t have trouble pounding Buerhle to a degree.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree...

Richard was very close to giving up runs quite a bit in the game. The first inning was lucky as hell. And look at the numbers of the guys the Mariners had starting — pretty awful. His fastball is nice and he does change speeds with it but the only other pitches I saw Richard throw were a changeup and/or a slider at around 81 MPH and they looked like the same pitch. He doesn’t have the same kind of performance against a better team.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

"He doesn’t have the same kind of performance against a better team".

And is it likely he’ll have to?

1. The first inning troubles were his own doing, not because of his pitching.
2. Do you EVER just say ‘nice job’ or ‘wow, that was unexpected but sweet’?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever

As I said Seattle has been a decent offensive team lately. The numbers back that up. You say he was lucky in the 1st. Ichiro should have never been on in the first place.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

The numbers don't show that...

Miguel Cairo, Adrian Beltre, Wladimir Balentien, Kenji Johjima, Jamie Burke, and Yuniesky Betancourt are good hitters. They have all been pretty awful this season.

I don’t think I am being unreasonable here. Richard faced a bunch of scrubs other than Ichiro and Ibanez. Let me see what Richard can do against a team that doesn’t have a bad offense and that isn’t going to lose 100+ games this season.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody is trying to turn Seattle into the 27 yankees

If you read what I wrote it pointed to their recent offensive performance as decent.
.302/.347/.444 since the all star break
.310/.347/.440 in August

For the year
.266/.320/.389

Maybe its just me, but they seem to have hit somewhat better lately. So yes you are being a bit unreasonable to suggest its as simple as he shut down a bunch of scrubs and thus little credit should be given. Yes I’d like to see it repeated (we all would) but give him some due.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess my thinking that he will get rocked by a good team...

has more to do with the way he pitches. He mainly throws fastballs and I guess he also throws a slider and a changeup but they both look like the same pitch at around 81 MPH. Hawk will even tell you about how successful a two-pitch pitcher will be in the majors.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

And isn't this second-half surge of the Mariners somewhat common?

Once they are nice and comfy as the division’s caboose, they start doing alright for the last bit of the stretch.

I thought Richard did awesome given what we expected…and hey! That includes that we expected him to be playing a relatively shitty offense, and still suck!

So, in typical SSH fashion, you by first predict that he was going to suck it up hard against the M’s, and then when he didn’t suck it up hard, say, “oh it’s just a shitty team, that’s why.”

Well yeah, no shit! That’s why he fucking started!

Chances are, he won’t have to face a far better offense this year….maybe he’ll have the off-season chance to develop that third pitch before he faces the bigger bats next season…

Richard took care of business, regardless of who he faced.
Mad props, yo.

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know that. He's especially immune when it's coming from a chick.

I’m expecting my bitch-slap any….moment…now……

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

That wasn't her argument

and the images weren’t that funny the first time around. Now its just pathetic, to borrow one of your favorite words.

Coffee is for closers.

by vince_ on Aug 20, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, they were...

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, it wasn't. None of us could have predicted that (even against the M's) - but most of us are at least calling it a sweet surprise.

To quote myself, and bold the parts that you should try to read with comprehension:

“I thought Richard did awesome given what we expected…and hey! That includes that we expected him to be playing a relatively shitty offense, and still suck!”

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reason is not automatic.

Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it.

Why so serious?

by reardenmettle on Aug 20, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he'd do all right.

I never predict a shutout, but I was interested to see what he’d do tonight.

By the way, Sox fifth starters in August – 2-1, 4.50 ERA.

Jarrod Washburn in August – 0-4, 7.36 ERA.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 20, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

as jre always argues, who knows what he would have done in another context?

he probably would have gone 8-0 with a 1.93 ERA for the twins. the dome is magic.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The American way.

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

except

elect governors and build bridges

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Aug 20, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!

I resent that! (Also you forgot building good college basketball or football teams.)

Optimist

by Peder on Aug 20, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Konerko.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I came pretty close with 1ER going to the 7th.

And almost perfect in hits and walks:

6 IP 2 ER 5 H 5K 1BB Leaves to a standing O after giving up the 5th hit (HR) in the top of the 7th, goes back to Charlotte and commiserates with Broadway.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 19, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

a few of us thought he would do okay last night

But I guess if you didn’t predict a shut out before hand you suck according to SSH. lol.
Look Richard needs to improve a few things, no argument there but the one thing I love about him this year, minors included is the fact he isnt walking many folks. Some days you might get beat up as you learn but just don’t give those damn free passes and make it easier.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't so sure how Richard would do, but I did think the Sox had a chance against King Felix

I’m pleasantly surprised at the results from his start. Bravo Richard!

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Aug 20, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dat maka da sense.

Additionally, I think, given how mental of a game baseball is, that many players will perform better when the stakes aren’t as high. More relaxed, and not as focused on the hunt for (insert applicable team color) October.

Naturally, that pressure will also light fires under certain players’ asses…but it can be very distracting.

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

d'oh.

you should have known the m’s had a “bad offense” and were likely to “lost 100+ games this season” when you predicted disaster for last night. so either you thought the mariners’ offense wasn’t terrible when you prognosticated or that richard was so awful as to be owned by the bad m’s offense. either way, changing the subject now doesn’t change the fact you whiffed. we all make bad predictions, but somehow you can never seem to just own up to yours and, in ozzie’s terms, tip your cap.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

non seq.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Toonderstroke.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

i love the smell of napalm in the morning.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Richards

:-)

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 6:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 20, 2008 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gave you props last night for suggesting CR had a shot last night

Now that the Rays are 6-2 against the Angels and 18-6 against Spanks/BoSox/Angels/White Sox, would you please get in line with reality? A broken clock…

;)

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Naw I can't yet

I give props that the Rays are a good team.No doubt about it.
But both Sox and the Twins have also continued to win and remain about 5 behind. The Rays schedule is still unfavorable towards the end with plenty of direct match ups.

I also find it irritating as hell that they keep lumping the White Sox in there for Rays record against the elite. The Rays are 4-3 against our boys with a negative run differential and played all the games there in Tampa. Lets just say I wouldn’t be disappointed to meet the Rays in the playoffs.

Yanks are toast (yeah).

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

i was just listening to 670.

they said alexei ramirez will be in the studio for an interview at 9:20.
i predict….awkward.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 20, 2008 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

As good as Uribe a few years back? Very very very happy

by Grinder in Training on Aug 20, 2008 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Injury updates...

Toni Ginnetti wrote:

Catcher Toby Hall was OK a day after hurting himself trying to hit Jermaine Dye with a postgame shaving-cream pie. Hall is the perpetrator of pie-throwing episodes, which Guillen doesn’t object to as long as they don’t get out of hand.
Reliever Scott Linebrink threw without discomfort Tuesday and might throw on the side again today.

Joe Crede, who has been out with a back injury, might play today for Class AAA Charlotte, but at what point he will return to the Sox has not been determined.

’’I’ll make the decision,‘’ Guillen said. ’’I already talked to [general manager Ken Williams] about it. I’m going to make it clear: I’m not going to bring Joe because he’s Joe Crede; I’m going to bring Joe Crede because we need him.

‘’If Joe is ready to play, bring him up. But the way [Juan] Uribe is playing and the way we’re doing stuff, I’m not going to get Joe [if] he’s 0-for-4, 0-for-8, 0-for-10.

‘’Right now, it’s all about winning, and that’s the more important thing.’’

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

what is the 'JI' for?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.southsidesox.com/2006/4/17/175859/016#2777860

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

fial

here

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

And by the way...

I am dying to post my Q! ones…but attempting patience for the right contextual moments.

This is hard, I don’t know how cip sits on this stuff.
:)

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

a little obscure for my tastes. will never go viral.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

if it ain't broke don't fix it

from suntimes

Guillen plans to keep Ramirez at the bottom of the batting order.

’’He’s too young to put the pressure on him,‘’ Guillen said. ’’Every time we put him in the second spot, he doesn’t do well. We need some help down in the order. If the big boys don’t do it, we have him to back them up — and lately he’s done that.’’

cheat, i know in the past you have said that it was preferable to keep alexei at the bottom or near bottom of the order, but do you still feel that way given his sustained success (offensively)?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 20, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I've argued and will continue to argue that he needs to bat 6th

Its not earth shaking or anything but will probably yield a few more runs. Last night was a good example I was a lot happier to see him up after the IBB to Thome then Konerko.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was one of my favorite moments of the game...

followed closely by Thome’s next at-bat, where he reminded the M’s why they IBB’ed him. :)

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing that...

I’d also like to see Swisher leading off again, with Cabrera batting eighth.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 20, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or at the very least...

Cabrera leading off with Swisher batting second.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

As the M's announcers said last night, you gotta enjoy a line-up whose 8th batter has 18 home runs.

(this was before his 19th left the park)

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of home runs...

I just noticed that Alexei Ramirez currently has more home runs (in fewer plate appearances) than Paul Konerko.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 20, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

jesus

he’s an arsehole, I wish he’d get some walks instead of hitting all these Home Runs all over the place. The man is a fucking idiot, swinging away at the first pitch all the time and all that.

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 20, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have never seen a batter...

with such a bad approach get such good results with them. He makes basically no effort to work the count, but the numbers speak for themselves.

One thing I’ve noticed about Ramirez when he bats is that his pitch recognition seems to be light-years better than it was at the beginning of the year. He seems to explode all over every mistake opposing pitchers make.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 20, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

ozzie was saying

in an interview, that because he stands so forward in the box, opposing pitchers think they can mow him down with the fast ball easily, but they don’t reckon on his bat speed.

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 20, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

His bat speed is incredible

I do have to admit though it is all raw skill. As much as I hate to admit he doesnt seem to know what the hell he is doing from a plan stadpoint. Unless you count see the ball – hit the ball – run.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

But how will he play in Peoria?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

you need some new material

try here

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 20, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

sigh

Will it Play in Peoria?
This famous question originated during Peoria’s exciting vaudeville days during the 1920s. After a new live act or stage show was produced, it was soon booked into a Peoria theater to test audience reaction to the show. If the show did not receive a strong positive approval, one of two things could happen: the production was rewritten, recast, or otherwise improved, or it was canceled. Because Peoria was viewed as the “typical” American town, if a show could achieve the approval of the Peoria audience, it would be successful anywhere in the country.

The phrase came back into circulation when a Nixon administration political advisor used it while talking about campaigning in the Midwest. Peoria was still seen as a model of the norm in the country, and the President could use the citizens of Peoria to gauge his approval.

In the past 50 years, Peoria has garnered the “All-American City” award three times. As national test marketers have found, Peoria is a microcosm of America herself. To “Play in Peoria” is not only an old term from vaudeville, but a catch phrase used today to measure the thoughts and habits of the typical American.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know what it means

you tedious cunt. maybe you can explain it crops up on every thread I post on?

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 20, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol. if you know what it means, i rather doubt you are who you claim to be. maybe you should actually read what was posted. chiburb's original statement had nothing to do with you.

“if you think I’m posting that beacuse of you, then you have a more inflated opinion of yourself than even I thought possible.”

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

if you go out tonight

you might find a bar where girls go, try talking to some, it might do you some good.

regards

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 20, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

hi-yo!

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 20, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

vladimir guerrero

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good comp...

although Guerrero’s approach looks better than it used to be.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 20, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

the whole getting older factor.

vlad can’t do quite what he used to, in terms of getting to pitches due to decreased bat speed, etc. vlad sure wouldn’t walk much if teams didn’t IBB, or the old “unintentional intentional” bb, him.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but how long did that take?

hell I’d take 60% of Vlad

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the mouth or the pooper?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats ideal

AJP has been awful hitting in the 2 hole, Swish has been heating up and gets on base for Q and Dye.

Alexei near the bottom of the order is actually a ver good spot for him since he hits well with RISP, and has the speed to turn some of the 1-2 hitters singles into scores.

by Rockraines on Aug 20, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Richard and Washburn...

It’s funny, but I think Washburn is actually an interesting comp for Richard. For a long time, Washburn relied very heavily on a fastball in the 91-94 MPH range with almost no breaking stuff. He throws more breaking stuff now, but you could probably convince me that Washburn-lite is Richard’s best case career scenario. Which isn’t that bad since it means RIchard has a slim but real chance of being a major-league pitcher.

That being said, I’d fully expect Richard to get rocked if pitches again in the majors this season. Broadway shut down KC last season and that doesn’t make him a good option for the 5th starter role either.

I think the Sox only real option is to skip the 5th slot as much as possible and pitch DJ when they can’t. It’s not going to be pretty.

by hitlesswonder on Aug 20, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Best case scenario?

Slim chance of being a major league pitcher? Thats your assertion for this season or ever? They way you phrased it suggest the latter.
And you make this because he struggled so much in the minors and his 1st 4 starts in the show?

The only real option is to skip as much as possible huh? Because the 5th spot has killed the team since Jose went down?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

richard has a good chance to be a major league pitcher. very good.

the question is whether it’s as a loogy/some relief capacity or a starter. he needs better secondary stuff to do the latter. but i don’t think there’s much question that he could pitch with reasonable effectiveness out of the pen in the future, and probably now.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's LHP with decent control and stuff

that will ensure some sort of future in MLB. Agree he’ll have to work on his secondary pitches before he’s an effective starter. Still, it’s nice to have another cheap decent young LHP under team control for awhile.

by madvillian on Aug 20, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

or as trade bait.

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by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's funny is I think once people make up their mind on something

They will write anything to defend it. Comparing Broadway and Richard is ridiculous.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he was comparing the two...

He was just saying that neither is a good option.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I should have said slim but real chance to be a "major league starter" rather than "major league pitcher"

Broadway and Richard are very different pitchers, my comparison was only that both have one excellent major league start. And I hope that 1 excellent major league start doesn’t convince the Sox to give either of them other starts this season if they can help it.

 I think Richard has a small but real chance of being a valuable 4th or 5th starter at the major league level sometime soon, but not this September. So I’m placing him in a category above Felix Diaz and Lance Broadway.

If I’m not optimistic about Richard this season, it’s because he has 1 pitch. If he had flashed better breaking stuff last night, I’d be more inclined to hope the Sox started him again. As it is, it looks like teams other than SEA just beat the snot out of his pitches the 2nd and 3rd time through the lineup.

I do think the Sox should keep Richard in the pen. He’s a better option than HoRam in my opinion and I think he can be a valuable reliever this season.

by hitlesswonder on Aug 20, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better

Dogs are pulled back. I am more optimistic than most I guess but yes he has work to do. I like the fact he can crank up the 1. He needs help with location.I have no issues with the Sox giving more starts to him or exchanging him with DJ for matchup purposes. With off days, probable opponent and a good Sox offense to cover sometimes, the 5th starter just won’t be a big issue.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of General Soreness...

Jim has a pretty graphic of JR versus those that he’s replacing. Don’t know how to copy it, so here’s the linky thing:

http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2008/08/20/13718.aspx

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I should really read that site....

;) just kidding, Jim!

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Junior

I think he’s about had it. No extra base hits yet, right? Hitting around .225?

Too bad…you can see he once had a sweet swing by the cuts he takes, but he’s just a little old and little slow.

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Aug 20, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

I think even Brian Anderson is more valuable than Griffey at this point...

Griffey has done all he can for the Sox by getting Masset and his career 1.73 WHIP moved to the National League. Job well done. It’s time for Junior to relax and watch some ballgames from the Sox dugout. He should have the same role for the Sox that Terry Crowley had for Earl Weaver.

by hitlesswonder on Aug 20, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The days off could be what's helping PK

He may need the days off, no clue if he’s actually completely healthy. In any case, we rely on two guys who are injury prone and old in JD and Thome, and one guy who was already hurt twice this year in Konerko, so I’m fine with Griffey stealing some of their playing time.

Come the playoffs if we get there, it’s safe to assume Swisher will be in CF, Konerko will be at 1B, JD in RF and Thome in LF. I’d rather they all make it to the finish line healthy and ready for the big games. That’s all that matters.

Keep platooning BA as a defensive sub to keep Griffey from late inning situations.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 20, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just to prove someone actually reads what you post:

The day we see Thome in LF is the day SSH says something positive.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's got a helluva arm I bet.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 20, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jim makes that exact point at his Meditation Space. See the link a few posts above.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Griff takes a seat in the dugout

I’ll bet Juan would even share his secret stash of hot wings.

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Aug 20, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

)

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

OC, SS; AJ, C; Q, LF; Thome, DH; PK, 1B; Junior, RF; Missle, 2B; Swish, CF; Uribe, 3B. Floyd pitching.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

jermaine dye

is 6-10 with 2 HR and 6 RBI against dickey. i think i’d rather he not be sitting today.

question: has dickey always been a knuckleballer?

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 20, 2008 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

I guess after the 2 GDPs

Ozzie felt he needed a day off. I wouldn’t necessarily agree, but six outs in four ABs is something.

And nope.

Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 20, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haeger-style, huh?

Well, I guess Dickey sucks throwing both ways as well.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

but will he suck as much as Gavin?

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by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

He should be able to out-duel this scrub...

As long as Gavin gives up his bombs with no one on base…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

JD looked tired last night -

though his 2 DP’s were hit the same place as his Series-winning RBI in ‘05 – right up the middle. SS was positioned closer to 2nd because of 1st being occupied, so he caught some bad luck. He has been running around a lot, as he’s been on fire as of late.

And it is the Mariners. Though they have been known to come back.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rauuuuuuul.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, he hasn't always been a predominantly knuckleball pitcher.

so i’d take those numbers with a grain of salt. my recollection from looking at dye’s numbers against some other knucklers, like wakefield, is that he hasn’t done well. usual sss alert attached to that.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, and Dickeys last outing

He had 4 wild pitches, and 1 passed ball in an inning vs. the Twins.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 20, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Matchup: Mariners (46-79) at White Sox (72-53), 1:05 p.m. CT
Probable Starters: R.A. Dickey (97 IP, 4.92 RA, 1.59 WHIP, 55 K) vs. Gavin Floyd (146 1/3, 4.86, 1.26, 103)
Pythagorean Record: Seattle, 52-73 (521 RS, 628 RA); Chicago, 73-52 (644 RS, 539 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Seattle, #26; Chicago, #4
Prospectus: It’s somewhat surprising that Gavin Floyd has not been smacked around by regression yet this season, but here we are on August 20, and his overall numbers still look impressive despite peripherals that suggest they should be otherwise. Floyd is striking out 6.3 hitters per nine, only slightly above average for a starter in the AL (average is 6.1 K/9), and he’s walking 3.3 per nine (unintentionally), a good deal worse than average (2.9 BB/9); he’s also giving up 1.4 homers per nine. His QERA is 4.94, 1.84 runs higher than his actual ERA, and QERA does not take home runs into account, so his expected ERA should be a bit higher still. His FIP is 5.00, confirming that he is indeed well above expectations, thanks to a .291 BABIP that is 47 points below expectations given his 17.8 percent liner rate.

This is not something that should have happened either, as Chicago is converting 70.1 percent of balls in play into outs, yet for Floyd, they have converted 74.9 percent, a significant difference, especially when the top-ranked team via Defensive Efficiency is at 71.8 percent. Since Floyd is allowing the opposition to slug .418 against him (on a .230 batting average against), the last thing he needs is for 47 points of BABIP to show up and ruin his day; that would put his line much closer to .260/.350/.454. Whatever lucky charm or incantation he has used has been effective during the first five months of the season, but at some point, the White Sox are in danger of finding out that Floyd is not the pitcher he appears to be.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Every stat site probably has a hotkey for this sentence:

“Whatever lucky charm or incantation he has used has been effective during the first five months of the season, but at some point, the White Sox are in danger of finding out that Floyd is not the pitcher he appears to be.”

Not that they’re wrong.

Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 20, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the same quote can be applied to the Twins RISP

and the Rays record, minus the Sox/Floyd reference.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

twins sure.

the rays you can probably chalk up more to an effective bullpen and very good defense, which are known to be factors which result in a higher than expected win total.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

The pen is a real surprise

I thought Percival would be hurt much earlier and be much less effective, and the guys in front of him have been outstanding. Wheeler has stepped right into the closer’s role very nicely.

And, Toonder, Upton threw out a runner at the plate last night. So there.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maddon had an excellent opportunity to come to his rescue last night

and did – I bet it goes a long way to furthering that relationship. Tough week for the kid.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

i thought it was more like 4 times over 3 weeks.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, last night he was jobbed and called out at first

Maddon got tossed defending him. The other times Upton was dogging it, and Maddon, then his teammates (in private), came down on him, appropriately.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hear you

But he is a 23 year old kid, he is a special talent, and they do have the luxury of time. Maddon also seems to be the right teacher for him.

Plus, Tampa has no winning tradition, nor are they “Chicago Tough”.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's being lazy...

but I would still take him in a second.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, hey, hey, who got up on the wrong side?

Nice retort. What I’m saying is he has a lot of time ahead of him, and it’s worth the effort. I believe you ought to know I am generally not an apologist.

You POS. (Emphasis added.)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not everyone dances to the same drummer

I’m sure yopu would not take “Manny being Manny”, either.

One of the reasons I choose not to be a manager of employees is because I would not have the patience.

You POS (emphasis added). (Kiss my ass HSA, mon frere.)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i said i would take him on my team. i meant it, at least for now.

for the sake of you and your adopted team, i hope the embarrassment of being chased down by a trailing first baseman on what should have been a breeze of a double will end the problem.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are something today, kid.

And the bitch of it is, we are on the same page, I believe. He was properly benched twice this last two weeks, then was turned over to his teammates after the aforementioned screw-up. IMO, he also was supported when it would’ve been easy to hop on the “Upton is a lazy, overpaid kid” bandwagon when called out (incorrectly, IMO) last night. My whole point here (as if you are listening) is that he’s being disciplined and supported immediately, consistently, and fairly. Tampa ain’t the largest market in the world, and it’s good to see a manager apparently balancing today’s necessities with tomorrow’s goals.

Glad this escalated. I see how attorneys get their billables up – just by escalating simple conversations.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm listening to you, even if no one else is.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

to whom are you responding? between my post and yours all i see is hot air. ;-)

my question is, why does a guy who is a lazy ass need support? it’s not like he’s going through a rough couple days at the dish ’cuz his mom died or something.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm used to it, being married and all

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 21, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

ha, I hope that was intentional.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you bold something, you don't have to note that you intend emphasis.

Hence the bold.

pos.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know that, but thanks for getting involved.

Get back to larry and the Gauls.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

: P

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

So Floyd is doing Santeria or something witchy?

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's really a leprechaun.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like Paul Byrd?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 20, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

but luckier.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

He don't practice Santeria.

Ain’t got no crystal ball.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

newell is dead. goi.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Goi. Is that a Yiddish thing?

;)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh, trust me, when i mean goy i'll type goy.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to hear a HR call from a Jewish play-by-play guy:

“That ball is Goyem-Goyem Gone”!!!

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, an acronym: Gynecol Obstet Invest

duh, context, helllllooooo!

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hear it costs $30.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its not rocket science

Every year there are a few pitchers like Floyd who out perform metrics for the whole year. They make it sound like gosh that never happens!

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

eyes rolling.

yup, saying “somewhat surprising” means “gosh that never happens!”

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

sighing

yup somewhat surprising is what I keyed in on. They didnt say anything else in the preview or all year. Lighten up dude.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

what do you mean?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 20, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

people making words mean whatever they want them to mean instead of what they actually mean.

you know, like saying “who would have thought prior to the season that the wild card could have come out of the al central” and then having a hissy fit when someone points out that some people would have thought that because of detroit and the indians since it should have been obvious that the person meant the twins and white sox because everyone knows that al central = twins and white sox.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you lose some money on Richard last night or something?

The Rays are the greatest.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i actually bet someone richard would give up 2 or less runs (earned).

it was the mariners, after all. same bet i made with broadway v. royals.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you are even

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

try again.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

en englais, si tu plait

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's vous to you. i ain't your buddy.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

awww, mais, je pence que tu as mon ami.

quel dommage pour vous, monsieur.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

mieux, mon petit port prostituée

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

And I don’t speak Frog. But I get the meaning.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's

petite to you.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't know that.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, since I'm a girl, I get feminine articles, verbs, spellings overall.

ma, pas mon
petite, pas petit
belle, pas beau

I’m learning you something, dammit.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

no.

i mean i don’t know that.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Je comprends,

piece of merde.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

mais vous avez raison. i payait plus d’attention à ce que ‘slut’ est en français. ‘salpe’ or something like that.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always knew the two of you would French

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

comme espanol....

puta?

je pence…

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

ma petite, in fact.

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would hope that the ! would indicate that I was kidding

Obviously BP realizes that it happens from time to time but they didn’t exactly say that. Thus the statement,

"Whatever lucky charm or incantation he has used has been effective during the first five months of the season, but at some point, the White Sox are in danger of finding out that Floyd is not the pitcher he appears to be."

Which we have heard over and over is a bit annoying to me and thus my response.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry its not that serious.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, we know that SSS is never at risk of being in the green on that chart.

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by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who pissed in larry's Cheerios this morning?

A little more curmudgeony than usual…even for him.

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Aug 20, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

surest way to piss me off is to make things up.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont understand anyone taking issue with what was in the preview.

it was bp, after all. interested in trends, analysis, etc. not mentioning how gavin continues to somehow get by the way he has would be poor work.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I really took issue with BP

I am well aware with what they do. I also don’t exactly feel like I “made” up something. I merely pointed out every year a pitcher like Floyd exist for a full season and at some point you might mention that. I sit here and scratch my head and wonder how its escalated into code yellow.

If there is any site that can be smacked around with a bit of sarcasm its BP.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

why mention something everyone knows already?

or, more specifically, why dumb things down to the level where one needs to explicitly say something to satisfy Tdogg instead of making a joke regarding lucky charms which relays the same thing?

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because if you............you know what

uncle.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 20, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

listening to clay richard interview, forgot to ask last night.

was the double play ball in the first with runners on 1st and third no out just a shot one-hopper to swisher right at the bag, or what?

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

high chopper right over 1B

Ichiro didnt take off right away, Swish stepped on 1st, fired home and AJ made a very nice “Get your damn hand away from my plate” sweep tag on his arm. Ichiro might have been safe had AJ not denied his hand by pushing his arm back on the tag.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 20, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for the info.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, yes, it was AWESOME!

Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!

by homesickalien on Aug 20, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

NP

You can also just go here…
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2008_08_19_seamlb_chamlb_1&mode=preview
Click the “Wrap” tab at the top, and its the video all the way on the right.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 20, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

according to coop, leaning toward richard on monday...

would have been helpful to know whether he meant the completion game or the fresh ’un.

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

doesn't make sense to waste a starter in the former.

treat it like the inning it is. in the top half, have jenks and whoever warming.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jenks is the one who got them into that mess.

Carrasco wasn’t on the roster at the time, so I’m guessing he’d go in first.

Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Aug 20, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

perhaps. not sure i'd want to use a guy capable of multi-innings right away, especially since he should be richard's caddy. but the limitations are there.

those games could be mighty interesting. or not interesting if it just goes one inning.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 20, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good call, IMO

It might end up being a high use sitation. Tabasco can’t be joined at the hip with CR anyway because you never know when Gavin or Javy need 6th inning relief.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 20, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't the sox generally like to keep the starters on regular rest (or do danks and floyd alter that equation)?

if so, 2 off days in the next 8 indicates they could go with ol’ clay to finish off game 1, right?

"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 20, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

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