Gavin Floyd: Counterpoint
Gavin Floyd has been extremely lucky this year. He sports the sixth-lowest BABIP of any starting pitcher (.255), and, not coincidentally, his actual ERA (3.78) has been far lower than his FIP (4.95). In fact, if we use FIP as a standard, only three starting pitchers have been luckier than Floyd this season (Joe Saunders, Shaun Marcum, and Armando Galarraga). Conventional sabermetric wisdom suggests that Floyd is very likely to regress.
But if we look more closely at Floyd's season, we can see that the "conventional wisdom" is misleading. Yes, Floyd's overall numbers are indicative of good luck, but a closer look yields two interesting results: first, Floyd has improved significantly over the course of the season; second, Floyd has already regressed.
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I guess if it was all luck...
He would be getting bombed more frequently lately. He seems to keep having quality starts. His biggest enemy seems to be serving up the 3-run jack on a total meatball.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
not so much, considering only 1 of the 23 home runs he's surrendered this season have been of the 3-run variety.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That's my point...
since he is apparently always going to give up a lot of homers, if he can stay away from giving them up with men on base and just keep on giving up the solo jacks it won’t kill him.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
yep. Gavin = Fergie
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
he isn't doing a very good job giving up the solo jacks, at least compared to the other guys on the sox.
he has given up a LOT of 2 run homers (14 of 23 overall) and only 1/3 are solo shots, as opposed to 9/11 for danks, 9/17 for buehrle, and 16/21 for vazquez.
let’s just keep our fingers crossed.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
welcome to the land of those unable to repeat mechanics.
floyd no likey pitching from the stretch.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
Exactly...
Whenever I see Floyd with runners on base, I picture a white Contreras from a couple years back when he would always shit himself with baserunners.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
it's not "shitting himself"
he doesn’t get the same movement on his pitches from the stretch.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
I don't understand pitching from the stretch...
when you don’t even have a chance of holding baserunners, regardless of the way you pitch (like Contreras and Floyd).
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
you're really kidding but just trying to reiterate how shitty those guys are atr holding runners, yeah?
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
um, not everyone can steal on those guys.
but if they started pitching from the windup, frank thomas would start.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
maybe he sharts a little, though?
anecdotally, the 15 home runs of the more than solo variety that gavin has given up have been immediately preceded by a double 7 times(!), a walk 3 times, a runner reaching on an error 1 time, and an out 4 times.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
see above
“welcome to the land of those unable to repeat mechanics.”
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
maybe he does repeat...just in the bad way.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
your statement though got me interested in the healthy sox starters' hr stats.
between them, floyd (23), danks (11), buehrle (17), and vazquez (21) have served up 72 home runs—43 solo shots, 22 two-run jobs, 7 three-run jacks, and 1 grand slam.
danks is clearly the star here, surrending bombs at a much lower rate than the rest and with considerably less damage (9 solo, 1 two-run, 1 three-run). javy, for what it’s worth, has also picked pretty good times to give up the long ball as 16 of the 21 have cost the sox only 1 run.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
should be 42 solo shots, not 43. stupid abacus.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
This is the type of piece that I was looking for on Gavin good or bad. Its something more than your basic Gavin has been lucky and is likely regress stuff I have read over and over.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
One future argument
And please folks lets at least wait till the off season, will be the call to trade Floyd at his perceived highest value. I suspect I will be one of the minority who will think that is not a good idea. By the way Gavin’s runs allowed is down to 4.84.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i'm not sure the sox can afford to be trading starting pitching of any level of adequacy with contreras going down.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
what if it's in a package deal with konerko for santana, kendrick, escobar, figgins, mathis, the ghost of kotchman, and a date with arte moreno's nanny?
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sox couldn't afford to trade Floyd even when Contreras was healthy...
Contreras is 50 so he could have easily been terrible next season anyways and the only true rotation replacement the Sox have is Poreda.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
and even he might not be "true" as a starter until 2010.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
In general, I'd like the Sox to keep Floyd
There’s no one in the minors to take his place, and if he can be an average starter in the AL for the minimum that’s actually hard to replace (and I do think he has shown he can be average starter next year, as the posted article points out).
Obviously, all the caveats apply about anyone being moveable in the right deal, but unless the return is something special (e.g. very good catching prospects ready for the bigs) I’d keep him.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 21, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i purposefully did not originally include any text so as to actually force people to click on the article and read it.
what is this, china?
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
speaking of...
I do wish he’d come back to at least participate. Bag the admin stuff if he needs to, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater (so to speak). If the Sox should make the playoffs, it’d be nice if he had to place to enjoy it with likeminded fans.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
the lack of win is strong with this one
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
so it's not just shitty explorer?
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm at work, so Explorer it is.
Funny, Safari (phone) usually opens IE fials.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
I thought this was Larry's intentional fial, in response to you, who inadvertenly fialed with photos for so long.
My detector is weak today, but I suspect Larry mean for that red x.
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
nah. i just don't care anymore. if the picture shows up, fine. if the picture can only be seen with a right click and show picture, fine. if you need to cut and paste the properties, fine.
and if it doesn’t show up, fine. the “fail” thing sort of lost its amusement right around the time of your dad’s epic fails.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
besides, i can see it on my page. and it's fucking hilarious to me each time i go past it.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
I would think someone who is used to manipulating behavior
would want to exert every ounce of influence he could to do just that.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
ha.
I have not known Larry to be a diplomatic pacifist.
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by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Aye, there's the rub
If you’ve already loaded it via the direct address, it shows. If you haven’t loaded it before, it won’t show via the image tags. I think that’s a pbase thing.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
so, so hard to right click. must whine about it. stress level rising above what medication can deal with.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
right click give me choices, one of which is "show picture"
still fial.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
already tried. then tried pasting the url and still fialed.
but I’m sure it was worth all theses machinations.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
it was. c'est la vie. no way to share it, then, i guess.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matchup: Twins (72-54) at Angels (77-48), 7:05 p.m. PT
Probable Starters: Scott Baker (119 2/3 IP, 3.91 RA, 1.20 WHIP, 101 K) vs. John Lackey (120 1/3, 3.44, 1.14, 93)
Pythagorean Record: Minnesota, 69-57 (641 RS, 579 RA); Los Angeles, 69-56 (587 RS, 528 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Minnesota, #14; Los Angeles, #5
Prospectus: Just one back of the White Sox in the AL Central and just a half-game behind Boston for the wild-card spot, Minnesota begins a four-game series against the team with the best record in baseball. The Twins lineup will be bolstered by the return of second baseman Alexi Casilla, who missed the last 21 games with a torn thumb tendon, an injury that was initially feared to be serious enough to possibly knock him out for the season. Minnesota’s offense performed well in Casilla’s absence, scoring 5.9 runs per game, but of course the Twins are much better off with their 23-year-old switch-hitter in the fold, who has been Minnesota’s best offensive option in the middle infield this year. Casilla’s return to a starting role will push Nick Punto back to shortstop, where he will have to fight for playing time with Brendan Harris, who has been hitting lately (.340 average in his last 15 games).
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
It will be interesting to see if the hand injury effects Casilla's hitting
by hitlesswonder on Aug 21, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
With the way Punto was hitting lately...
switching to Casilla with a bum thumb may actually be a downgrade offensively.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
I think the Twins are going to lose
The bullpen blows, they didn’t do all that great against Oaktown… I think they begin to fall off here
so it would seem that the higher era for the last 16 starts
can be attributed to the higher HR/FB ratio, right? but his other stats indicate improvement. does anybody have thoughts whether the k/9 in particular is sustainable, at least through next season?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
this isn't that revelatory for this community, actually
plenty of optimism in that voting
we know the line on gavin. stuff = good. command = not good.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
but the stats (K/BB/9) suggest his command has improved, so again, do you think that is sustainable?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
don't know why it shouldn't be, but no way do I speculate about next season
your original question.
no matter how many times you ask.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
well this is one of the reasons i'd really like to get my command metric going
but there’s no way in hell i’m doing that by hand. but basically, i think he’s erratic because he can’t repeat his mechanics consistently. so he’s going to have to go on a long streak with very good control. and every time i watch him i see a guy who isn’t really sure where the next pitch is headed. so i’m not convinced, but i’m not going to say i don’t think it can happen.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
in short, he's a streaky motherfucker?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
you english majors use to many words to describe something so simple
need to be blunt, vulgar, and grunt (on occasion)
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I like how you did that, after a rant about English majors...
you knew Colin was going to correct you on that.
"White people love rules. It explains why so they get upset when people cut in line, why they tip so religiously and why they become lawyers. "
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
i correct myself all the fucking time, and i like the wire
reckon i ain’t white either, last time i looked in a mirror
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't want to be a member of that club.
You’d be traded by Chapelle from the “black” team, just like Tiger, Condi, and Colin (Powell, that is).
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Whoa, check out the relatively current cultural reference from WU!
I am impressed, opos!
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by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
i saw that sketch, some good shit there
have you seen the charlie murphy stories?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Love 'em.
How does a guy get $35M and decide to walk away and go to Africa, then back to small stand-up clubs? Pressure sometimes does not build diamonds.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i know you fucking do.
it was a fucking joke.
fucking regards.
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by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
i was not mad! i'm just a punk that likes to swear a lot, chill, please ;-)
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
keep cool, my baby.
I’m the most chill person on this entire site.
I’m the hippie in the NW, reeeemmmeemmmmmber?
I’s kidding too. I don’t even think Colin would have actually corrected you – I just wanted to link that beautiful blog post.
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by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i seen it rec'd a bunch
i like rem too
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
There are scarily a lot of things on his list that make perfect, utter sense.
I am embarrassed by it sometimes. Being white is so not cool. I mean…I love my Sigg bottle. :(
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by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
you ain't no hippie after all.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
It's really more like "What yuppies like" if I may use a dated cultural reference
There’s a lot of white people that don’t know what a Sigg bottle is. The kind of white person that spends time reading stuff on web…they tend to know what a Sigg bottle is.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 21, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't like using google
If I ask on here something I don’t know, then I may get different answers or more detail. It may even generate some debate all of which is more interesting to me. So I am not appearing ‘thick’, just ineterested, that’s all.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
In this day and age of plastic bottles leaking toxins/carcinogens into your liquid, these aluminum bottles are the next big thing among yuppies.
And the demographic of people who do not wish to get cancer and think merely changing their choice in water bottle will somehow prevent that.
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
what about the glow in the dark stuff on them?
that’s usuall y toxic as fuck that stuff
Sox fan from England, marching on together
That is on the outside of the bottle....
not seeping into my liquid.
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by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
you're definitely white on the gullibility factor.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
because I like aliens?
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by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Do not speak ill of colin.
He’s quirky yet nice.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i've been meaning to inquire of you...
what do you think of think of those long urinals you get in gents’ bogs, where all the other blokes are having a quick squint?
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan to be honest
don’t you get them in the States? They are quite common in Pubs, and Sporting facilities here. You’ll be hard pushed to find anyone who says " you know what? I really love those long urinals they have in the Rose and Crown ". Then again english men don’t tend to have hangups about the size of their cocks as we don’t as a rule have them mutilated as little boys!
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
Were you watching "RedEye" this morning, Toonder?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Wow
And, wow.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
I wandered into a very white "Outdoor Recreation" store and found mine. I was sold on the design - little aliens dropping from the sky onto a city. And then I got it home, and the alien eyes and building lights GLOW IN THE FREAKING DARK!
Then read that article afterwards….and confirmed my caucasian-ness.
I must say – those bottles are incredible – they don’t keep the taste/smell of any non-water liquids you put into them. I can fill it with OJ on my way to work, and then put water in it the rest of the day, and not taste the OJ. Greatness.
And it’s sturdy – mine just took a 15-foot fall onto cement and walked away unblemished.
I do not leave home without it (thumbs up, big cheesy grin)!
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And you can't currently order them online
My whiteness showing through and through
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
i love white women.
but this might be pushing it.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
that's some funny stuff.
you white people are funny, but i also hate you.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
you just have to prepare yourself for times when he's going to look abysmal
which is exactly what happened after i posted that poll in the first place.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
but the stats (K/BB/9) suggest his command has improved, so again, do you think that is sustainable?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:16 PM CDT reply actions
the k/bb rate of the last 16 games is very similar to last year, so i would assume yes
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
it's certainly repeatable.
at least over stretches.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
nate silver is god (and he happens to be white)
top 50 players, ranked 50-26
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
i'm just sayin', Q better be ranked in the top 25
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I would guess not...
Corner OF with power is not considered a premium. The list appears to value C, CF, SP….
I’m gonna guess no Sox make the list.
by hitlesswonder on Aug 21, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
BP just hates, absolutely hates, the White Sox
That makes sense…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
hates?!
half of em live here and most have serious respect for kenny and ozzie
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
hey, pitching guy.
i have a question about silver’s assessment of zambrano at #43. nate wrote that “statistically speaking, [zambrano]’s still a number-two starter masquerading as a one….” the question is…what in the hell do you think this means? that historically aces have better counting numbers and peripherals? that there are really 30 pitchers pitching today (to come out essentially to one #1 pitcher per team) who have better stats than zambrano? something else?
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
nate is stoopid.
for whatever reason, when people refer to “#1 starter” (or whatever number, come to think of it) the actual counting numbers don’t seem to add up. as in, no one really ever seems to think there are actually 30 pitchers who are 1s and so on. there are probably ten or less pitchers people could all agree are aces.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
Is Zambrano one of them?
I’d think so.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i'll take the under on 10.
i can come up with 5 no doubters and 5 maybes (1 very young, 1 who is overshadowed by another guy on his own team, 1 who is hurt too often, and 2 who are having down years)
sure things: halladay, johan, peavy, webb, sabathia
maybes: lincecum, haren, sheets, owalt, beckett
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, and zambrano in the maybe.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
too soon.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i think you'd need to loosen your definition somewhat.
but you illustrate the point.
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
Is Owalt a Disney reference?
You are too cute for words, you softie.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
it was an homage to you, minnie.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
why would he say "statistically speaking" then?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
If John Lackey...
is “underrated”, what is Mark Buehrle?
John Lackey career ERA+ (1281 IP) – 118
Mark Buehrle career ERA+ (1797 IP) – 122
I guess Lackey is five months younger than Buehrle, so he’s got that going for him.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 21, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
lackey has more of a bulldog mentality...hell, he LOOKS like a bulldog.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Does he roll with the HUGE pickup and gun rack?
I didn’t think so.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i just assumed it was hiding under his jowls.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Danks is Supero Bulldog then, right?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
meaning his balls stick out behind his legs?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Yes.
That is exactly what he meant.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Aug 21, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I figure so, him living in the "gay" area (just for you, WU) and all
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
I was listening to this on the way home and thought of your post today, rithm:
So messed up I want you here
In my room I want you here
Now we’re gonna be face-to-face
And I’ll lay right down in my favorite place
And now I wanna be your dog
Now I wanna be your dog
Now I wanna be your dog
Well c’mon
Enjoy Iggy and the Stooges.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
got a lust for life.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Iggy and the Stooges were magnificent
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
ARE. ARE!
Goodbye Betsy im goin’ away
I’m sick of you and there aint no way
Dont want to know, dont want to see
Dont you ever bother me
Sick of hanging around your pad
Sick of your Mom and sick of your Dad
Yeah and Betsy,
its sad but true,
now im even sick of you.
For the naysayers.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 22, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, they are magnificent
sheesh
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
hey you have a gmail?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
nowadays who doesn't have a gmail?
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on Aug 21, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
more to the point then
“what is it?”
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
my whiteness implores me to point out the errors in this sentence from the story highlights in the upper right hand corner.
“If you were starting a baseball team froms cratch, who would you choose?”
i can point this out confidently without risking death at the hand of larry because i’m sure nate silver didn’t actually write that.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice eye, whitey.
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by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
you know the greatest invention of the 20th century?
the Thermos: you put something hot in it and it stays hot. you put something cold in it and it stays cold. How does it know?
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
silly wabbit...
a thermos simply slows down heat transfer either to the liquid inside it (cold) or from the liquid inside it (hot), thereby preserving the temperature of the liquid for long periods
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Way to stomp on the Seinfeld
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
how could you spend $200 on a tip calculator?
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
the better link
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7975
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
why does baseball prospectus charge again?
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 21, 2008 2:34 PM CDT reply actions
because white people like to charge subcription fees
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 21, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought white people liked to pay subscription fees
either way, bastards! all of them.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
As expected, Masset looks like a stud in the N.L.
He just struck out Soriano on a nasty slider.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
his era has been good in less than 9 innings, but giving up over a hit per 9 and striking out < 4 per nine innings while pitching half the time in the bandbox ain't gonna cut it for long.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind a pitcher giving up over a hit per 9 innings in the bigs
as long as it was under 8 hits per 9 innings, assuming he keeps the walks to a minimum.
Ha. In your face, Toonder!
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Your picture didn't load, therefore you get an EPIC FIAL for the day
and it will go on your permanent record.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
shows up on my screen, loser.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Well then, my computer and firefox get the old EPIC FIAL on their permanent records
but you still have one on your permanent record as well because these things can’t be deleted. Those permanent records function much like credit agencies. Oh well.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
I did find a way to see it, and was thoroughly disappointed
keep trying, maybe some day you’ll post something funny.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
fail also on Safari (iPhone)
though I’m sure it was as good as larry’s.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
don't say that. you'll get both of us in trouble!
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Failed for me too. Will try at home...
Why don’t you post a picture that everyone can enjoy, Toonder?
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
now, hard-on, on the other hand, has looked even studlier in the nl.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, the running Scrub + ex-Sox-nostalgia-visit posts.
SSH in heaven.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
The guy sucks...
but he can probably be successful in the N.L.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
don't talk about him like that...he's my shit guy and i love him
regards
dusty
If I was a caterpillar and you were a caterpillar I would metamorphosize into a butterfly so that you could see the vast potential of your great beauty. And then you would change, and we would have changed. And it would be beautiful. Change is beautiful.
The funny thing is that the Reds had two ex-Sox pitching today...
Josh Fogg with the mediocre start and Masset came on in relief.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
kenny williams is smarter than all of us so fuck you
It was here where the White Sox GM uttered a most memorable sentence, coming just 24 hours after the 88-win Tigers had added Miguel Cabrera to an already power-packed lineup.
“All this has done has put the Tigers in a better position to contend with us,” a supremely confident Williams stated, without the hint of a smile or laugh.
…
“In jest, with a hint of seriousness,” said Williams, recounting this bold statement, sitting in the White Sox dugout prior to Tuesday’s matchup during his team’s three-game sweep of the Mariners, moving its record to 73-53.
His explanation continued as to why Williams thought that the White Sox would contend in 2008, aside from the significant personnel upgrades made.
“Well, I think what was ignored, to a large degree, is even through the difficulties last year, we had a winning record against our division,” Williams said. "If you are saying our division is one of the best, then it stands to reason that if we think we match up against our division and if we correct a number of things and balance ourselves out for the long haul, then we should be in the thick of it.
“That’s all. We also had nine guys in our starting lineup who achieved below their career levels. It’s not a stretch to think some of them would rebound.”
"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire
KW kicks all of us in the nuts
If I was a caterpillar and you were a caterpillar I would metamorphosize into a butterfly so that you could see the vast potential of your great beauty. And then you would change, and we would have changed. And it would be beautiful. Change is beautiful.
not bad for a moron.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice equipement there.
No pocket protector, though. Loser.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
I was speaking in the Queen's English
(Ah, hell, why even type? Hopeless. Helpless. Friendless.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Oh we're still e-friends
I just felt like waving some Samuel L. in your face.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
what?
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Say what again!
Say what again! I fucking dare you!
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
Damn, you are good.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Oh man I shot Marvin in the face!
Why the fuck’d you do that???
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
Car didn't hit no mother-fucking bump!
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I find that to be the funniest line in the movie
Something about Travolta’s delivery of that line slays me…I guess the way he says it is the same way someone would say, “Oh man, they’re out of ice cream sandwiches”
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
yeah he's just so amusingly resigned and unaffected
by the loss of Marvin.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
kenny is my personal jesus
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
chris martin is not going to take his demotion well.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that the Depeche Mode guy?
You Goth rocker, you.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
hopeless. helpless. friendless. and now clueless.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Coldplay.
Speaking as we were of being White.
“Personal Jesus” just so happens to be one of my fave Depeche songs. It flowed naturally.
You may have your Paltrow sidekick and move to London.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
what are you talking about? i don't like coldplay, opos. the reference was to colin finding a NEW personal jesus.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
So to which Chris Martin were you referring if not to the Coldplay frontman?
Ah, I’m out.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
All I asked is who Chris Martin is. I thought he was the lead singer for Depeche Mode because of the "Personal Jesus" reference. He is not - he is, in fact, the lead singer for Coldplay.
If you were not referring to THAT Chris Martin, to whom were you referring? What am I missing?
GD attorneys.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
ok, here goes.
- i reference chris martin, the coldplay guy, because he is more lame than anybody in depeche mode, in response to colin’s personal jesus reference.
- you ask if chris martin is the depeche mode guy.
- i play on your earlier reference to helplessness, hoplessness, and friendlessness.
- you look it up and figure out chris martin is coldplay guy, but then tell me in response that i may have the paltrow sidekick and move to london.
- i reply that i do not like coldplay (and by implication that i do not like chris martin), not that you were incorrect in your research of who chris martin is.
- you cease making sense.
- both of our brains short circuit.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
i was writing it for wu. had to be nathan jessup-style clear.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
What a crappy recap.
Nowhere near condescending enough and it doesn’t even contain the requisite number of swears (4).
I give you kudos for the Short Circuit reference. Clearly one of Guttenberg’s best. But then again, it’s hard not to celebrate his whole collection.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Steve or the bible guy?
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
that was the bitchiest thing anyone's ever said to me on this site
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i'm sorry.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 22, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
you're welcome.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 22, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL. Nice - a round trip in 2 posts.
Head is spinning.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 22, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally off topic...
but how many more visits to this site are we averaging per day than we did a year ago at this time?
It looks like every post here, regardless of what’s being talked about, has like 250+ responses.
On the old board a year ago you might get 50.
Wonder if that has to do with the “new” site or the team’s performance.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
Id say last year a lot of us werent following to closely at this point in the season,
other than tracking Danks, Floyd, Fields, and our draft location i wasnt following too much.
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 21, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
also so much easier to participate in prolific posting in the "new" format
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you mean with the hide-and-go-seek game threads?
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 21, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
no, there was a complete revamp of the whole site
and SBN in general. You know of the Great Orange Satan’s empire?
If not, I’ll provide link-love tomorrow for your edification.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
unless you're on an iPhone and have no "zed" key
almost impossible to keep up when the count gets over 150 or so posts.
And people think I disappear due to exhaustion.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
decrepitude.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
that too. But the phone is a swell excuse.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
Zed's dead, baby.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
vroom....
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I know my friend, but it wouldn't let me type a Z
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
Funny how much like last season
This season we’re all keeping an eye on the daily doings of the Tampa Bay baseball squad. Though for totally opposite reasons. Oh what a difference a few moons make.
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
It's hard to compare for two reasons
the first is that Sitemeter adjusted some of their metrics late last fall. The second is because of the new commenting system, which suppresses pageviews versus the old system.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Supresses pageviews?
I’m not sure I understand that. But I kinda liked the old style better. Less time loading pages due to not loading avatars, ridiculous pictures like the ones below, etc.
Just my opinion.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I love this new board...
but I hate how long it takes to scroll through. Even on a new computer, scrolling through a long thread is a memory hog.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Then you should close the porn downloads when the game is on
Multi-tasking sucks up a lot of RAM
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
honestly...
I preferred the old one. I’m clearly in the minority here… but there is just too much going on here that someone with ADD like myself… I just can’t stay focused. it’s too overwhelming for my senses. Heh.
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 22, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Get with the program - or you will be shot and dumped in the river
like Wiz. Or get torched in a fiery car wreck like Pete.
Oh, yes, we’ve thinned the herd while you’ve been gone, Shoeless.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 22, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 22, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You continually amaze me.
What the hell is that?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 22, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
A Magic card!
haha, nice one Toonder.
Very quality.
Regards,
Tossed Salad
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 22, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You are a bigger dork than I could have ever imagined
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
considering the lack of imagination you exhibit on here daily, i'll take it.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 22, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see it now, Toonder playing Magic the Gathering on his lunch break with the vagrants on Market
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by the way, get off my corner, biyatch.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 22, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Whereas my dorky is completely out in the open, no imagination required.
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 22, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't want to strain rhythm's brain any further
by reminding him that my google image searches are for relevance, not preference.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 22, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah.
Well, in my cool defense, I haven’t played Magic since I was 12.
But damn, was it fun!
Oooh la la! Change is beautiful.......(veers off pathway with bike) Whoa!
by homesickalien on Aug 22, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Pete... Wiz...?!
What have you done with them?!
"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise."
by Shoeless In SC on Aug 23, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
it's because there are great posters on here now
who have good command of the English vernacluar.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
agreed. They all say "I no google! I no google!"
but then that’s Crestwood for you.
Cod: It’s the new white meat.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
you do know my old pal
and you may laugh, but Cod is a very important fish. One that had a major impact in the formation of your very young nation.
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
it is still unclear if your "cod in the oven"
was a joke, dinner, or a sexual act.
Regardless
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
Cod is the only fish that has a piece named after it
that houses testicles. I believe Ian Anderson popularized that fashion statement.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
"thick as a brick" ian anderson?
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
1st "Metal Rock" Grammy winner. LOL!
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
No, the Depeche Mode Ian Anderson
Christ.
;)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
are you saying christ appeared in depeche mode under the pseudonym "ian anderson?"
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I am seeing Christ this evening listening to Iggy Pop
wearing my Ian Anderson codpiece pining for my personal Jesus.
Oh, and the meth is dope.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
maybe you guys really do have more fun in florida.
"that woman deserves her revenge and we deserve to die."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 21, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm....maybe I really should make a trip to FL...
just to check it out, you know.
/looks around nervously
So…you say they have good meth down there?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Is there bad meth?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 22, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought he was in Coldplay.
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
Be careful, he may try to steal second
Crestwood and all.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
you know in Boston
in the Trading buildings, they have graphics of Cod carved into the door frames. FFS I’m trying to talk to you, to reach out.
No wonder all your women have fat back sides
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
Is one of them Tyra Banks?
Sir-Mix-a-Lot just came.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
The more I look at it, the more unreal that looks.
But then, what do I know about black women???
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
Why the qualifier?
Do you claim to know anything about women in general?
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i've seen your facebook biatch
you ain’t that skinny.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Oh this is me after the surgery...
before the incident last Thanksgiving…
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
though sadly that guy kinda looks like if i just stopped giving a shit about life
for 6 months
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
on second look
make that a year
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
i'd say rewind it back to 6 months.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
now we know why black gentleman need to be better endowed than other dudes.
i’d be barely tickling the surface if stabbing her in the back.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Aug 21, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
that is what we call in the states a messy divorce.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Aug 21, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i just see UK plates on the Car
figures really, you lot could not come up with something so funny
regards
Sox fan from England, marching on together
Clearly you've never seen Carrot Top
Put that in your smoke and pipe it!
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
fuck those windy city gridiron dolts
cant take a picture of a dog humping another dog then barfing. Thats what I like about SSS. Nothin’ but class…
sincerely
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."