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Danks Struggles, Sox Slumber

John Danks didn't have it Wednesday night. From the game's very first pitch, it was clear he didn't have his good control or anything capable of putting hitters away. In fact, he induced just 3 swing-and-misses on the night. Of particular trouble was the location of his changeup, which he routinely left up, never once throwing it for a strike below the belt (as illustrated below).

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All of his pitches were up. I wasn't able to see anything wrong with his mechanics, but I'm no pitching coach. If it was any of the other starters, I might be worried. But Danks has been, by far, the most consistent starter the Sox have run out to the mound this season; he's allowed a hiccup here or there. We can overlook the inability to get Juan Castro out for one day.

Offensively, the Sox weren't able to mount much of a threat against Radhames Liz. In hindsight, it's funny--well not funny, but not ironic either--that I deleted a two sentence line from the BUO post stating that Liz is the type of pitcher that the Sox would either destroy or get completely shut down by, with no middle ground. I removed it because I thought it sounded a little SSHish, a little too absolute.

I'd argue that 2 runs with 5 walks against 3 strikeouts is somewhere in the middle ground, but Liz was effectively wild, allowing just 3 hits. And the lone home run he allowed was of the solo variety. With Danks struggling and then replaced by a poor excuse for a pitcher, it felt like the Sox got dominated, and made for yet another snoozer of a game.

As for that poor excuse for a pitcher, Lance Broadway, let's steal a line from Denny Green; he is who we thought he was.

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It's a shame that Kenny hasn't traded Broadway by now...

Package him with Kyle McCullough next year for the rotting corpse of Gary Sheffield so we can all forget that the White Sox organization ever drafted these two bums in the first round.

Meanwhile, the Twins face four lefty A’s starters in a row — Dana Eveland, Dan Meyer, Dallas Braden, and Greg Smith. Even though these guys are far from studs, the Twins offense sucks more against lefties than righties. Hopefully, the A’s aren’t tanking it already.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 27, 2008 11:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

something noble about that, you might say

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 28, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Classical Gas

or Jumpin’ Jack Flash?

(Can’t think of current tunes employing “gas”.)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 28, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NICE!

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

look on the bright side.

we may have seen the best day of juan castro’s life.
or not.
whatever.
i’m just saying look on the bright side.
sheesh.
what’s your problem?

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 27, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love Ozzie, but I thought this was an oddly managed game.

Not from the standpoint of in-game decisions, but pregame decisions — namely (and most if not all of these were noted in the gamethreads, so this is not groundbreaking, just synthesis):

1. Against a wild pitcher, he kept out one of his most patient hitters in Q!, and the more patient of his third basemen in Crede.
2. In a stadium with a very large center field, he put El General in CF. Even assuming the whole “center is easier than the corners” bit that KW has thrown out from time to time has merit normally, it’s hard to believe it does in Camden, where it’s 406 to straightaway center and stretches out to 417 to left center.
3. He did this in a game that (looking over shoulder to make sure no one is actually listening), as SSH notes, looked imminently winnable going in, with the Sox best (or at least most consistent) starter going against a pitcher with an ERA over 7 and a team with little to play for.

Someone (Vince, I think) noted that it looked like Ozzie was trying to steal one with the off-day coming up. My question is why? Isn’t this the game you make sure you win? The next game is against Beckett in Boston. To me, that’s the game you try to “steal” — face it, you have little chance of winning anyway. Why not rest Q on Friday after the off day on Thursday if you want to get him back to back days of rest? They may have lost this one no matter what — Danks did look bad — but it did not seem like they were given the best chance to win today which, while sometimes necessary (after the near fade in 2005, I’m all for resting guys as much as possible), seemed odd in this case.

Anyway, the lead remains technically whopping at 1 game (though barely), and Punto popped out to third yesterday. Outlook: Still sunny.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 27, 2008 11:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with #1 and #2

But I dont think that Ozzie should have made Q!s offday Friday rather than today. We should beat the Orioles. With the lineup we have, we should have easily beaten them. I would rather Ozzie rest our best player against a crappy team, and let him be 100% versus a tough team that is a much bigger game IMO. The Boston series is huge for wildcard sake, and we need the best, most rested players in those games, we cant afford to concede any of them.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 27, 2008 11:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Griffey should not play the OF

And certainly not CF over Swisher. I swear I have never seen a team decide the worse fielder should play CF over LF.

Griffey = DH + PH and OF if someone is dinged up. I wish the Sox would quit putting him out there.

As for the resting people thing…I don’t know. Q probably needs a break sometime, I have to trust Ozzie knows more about that than we do. And Crede isn’t a model of plate discipline. Sitting him doesn’t bother me.

by hitlesswonder on Aug 28, 2008 1:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bright side

The bullpen will be well rested for Friday.

That’s all I got.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Aug 28, 2008 12:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Trib's schizophrenic Linebrink coverage continues...

One day he’s the bee’s knees, the next he’s never coming back…

Today he’s back on top of the world.

I can’t stand it.

Because Scott Linebrink’s right shoulder felt “great” after a 30-pitch bullpen session Wednesday, the reliever said a simulated game “might not be too far in the future.” That could portend a return to the White Sox’s bullpen.



Linebrink thought he might have corrected a mechanical flaw dating to his days as a prospect with San Francisco when he had a tendency to drop his arm angle and throw across his body. He missed the end of the 1998 season and the start of ’99 after shoulder surgery.

“It’s something I’ve always battled,” Linebrink said. "I’ve been too quick with my lower half and let my arm drag. You want to work north and south and eliminate east and west.

“I was [throwing] 18 inches across my body, but I’ve gotten a lot better with it. It’s understanding the way you throw. Sometimes you forget some of these things, and the simplest mechanics can jog in your memory.”

link

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Aug 28, 2008 12:28 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big series coming up

A day off is OK. In retrospect the game we “should’ve” won wasn’t won or lost by the hitters – Danks was off, the pen needed some shuteye for the weekend, and the O’s were ready to break their 5 game losing streak. this was one of those “reverse lock” games that are hard to win.

No problem – still up by one. Soldier on. But the gamethreads the last couple nights have been el lamo. Hopefully we are not getting complacent or bored – were in the stretch run from here on out.

SO GET IN THE GAME! WIZ, CHIBURB, AND ALL THE REST OF YOU BUMS WHO NEEDED AN EMOTIONAL BREAK – LET’S GO!

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 7:45 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually saw the game

and it was freakin’ ugly. so was the fugly trying to flirt with me at the sports bar, ugh. danks didn’t have it. was surprised to see ozzie give Q a day off. reckon he ain’t used to playing a full season, but considering we’re neck to neck with those goddamn twinkies, we should ride that mofo for all he’s worth.

…and if we needed more evidence that griffey cannot field in center!

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 28, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was very disapointed when I saw the lineup

I’ll give Ozzie the benefit of the doubt on resting Q! for two days, as long as he plays that bastard every day from here on out, Sox have no margin for error and need their best hitter out there everyday.

I don’t care how much aura Griffey has, there is no reason he can’t accept playing LF when Swisher is clearly superior to him in CF. That ball that dropped in front of Griffey in the 5th (?) that let in two runs was the backbreaker.

Griffey is looking better at the plate, but any gain he gives there is taken away when he’s in CF over Swisher or BA.

by madvillian on Aug 28, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

nah. you probably just didn't remember what i said about griffey's acquisition.

basically, it’s erstad or mackowiak redux. good on paper, fear for how it will work in practice. i.e., the car is sitting on the tracks and the train is coming. and i hoped that either they’d get the car moved or get out of the car. and the picture above illustrates how i think it’s turning out.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no.

i think the griffey acquisition is turning out like i feared it would. i was joking about the twins being the train. that wouldn’t make any sense in such a metaphor. the train is reality. i.e., the reality that griffey cannot play centerfield and it will be really bad if he does regularly..

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's funny...

because Griffey would have been the perfect deadline acquisition back in 2005 when the Sox had Crazy Carl at DH and Rowand in CF. But they won the World Series anyways so maybe it wouldn’t have been a good move.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Conclusions:

Ken Griffey Jr. is silver (i suspected as much)

the twins are LOOOONNNNG and sort of european looking. Griffey looks sort of European, too, really.

by baby_jamie on Aug 28, 2008 9:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GDammit Larry!

I just had to lay down a grand to the sox for postseason tickets (weekend package) and you are now telling me this? I swear I am always a day late to the party….if party’s were a day later than actually scheduled I would be a mumbling mess of a drunk, now I am just a binging drunk.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm not canceling my postseason plans.

read the metaphor again “what was in the car”. there were two options. move the car with the passengers in it. or get the passengers out. it remains to be seen about the latter.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, very poetic larry.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

off topic, but want to share my annoyance

giants fans calling in this morning bitching about bochy removing lincecum last night with 2 outs in the 8th, even though he’d already thrown 132 pitches!

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's now twice in the last month that he's passed 120 pitches, and once over 130

that’s just dumb as dirt. I don’t care how easy he makes it look, it’s borderline insane to risk the future of your franchise in these meaningless games.

by madvillian on Aug 28, 2008 9:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and as of now he's just about 30% above last year's innings pitched and pitches thrown

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no he's not.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right. 27% over on innings; 26% on pitches.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wrong again.

hint: he was called up in early may 2007.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok, so it's even worse than it appears. they shpuld be thinking about shutting him down, not throwing 130+ pitches in a meaningless game.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 9:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, nevermind. i need more sleep.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 9:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if you want a man about to be in trouble, if he isn't in it already, look no further than the main subject of cheat's post.

cheat’s not worried. i am. whip approaching 2 in his last three outings. and looking progressively worse in each. and the sox supposedly going to a (modified) 4 man rotation. has all the signs of a tired arm. pitchers go through this stuff so i’m not going to say he won’t bounce back. but the trends and surrounding circumstances are not favorable.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see it

I mean he does need to get those walks down but nothing has happened enough in his recent outings to put it outside the normal ebb and flow of a season.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 28, 2008 10:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

perhaps.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see it, too

and remember the 2nd half of last year when he sucked eggs and had to be rested. A lot.

Wall, meet Mr. Danks. Give him a skipped start or two at best – at worst, keep the 5 man rotation.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, i'd like to see what he does against the indians first.

but i don’t think danks should be moved from regular rest ever and, ideally, should get the benefit of any extra day that would come from a 5 man rotation with off days and should be on a strict pitch/inning count that does not include the seventh inning. september was always going to be iffy with a guy who pitched 140 innings last year. it’s just looking like august got to him, too, a bit.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i have no problem releasing him.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Ever"?

If they win 2/3 of their games on in, and we buld up a lead (OK, not realistic, but “ever”?) would it not be prudent to rest him down the stretch for precicely the rationale you employ – only 140 innings last year? And I’m not attempting to be a wiseacre.

No expert am I on pitchers and their rotations – just saw how good guys like Moose Mussina (this year) and Count (last year) came back after rest – though Danks is a wee bit younger than those OPOS’.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what i meant was he should not pitch on short rest.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cleveland wouldnt trade Byrd to the White Sox

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 28, 2008 10:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude

are you equating me with SSH?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 28, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

sorry.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 28, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I say why not?

Let him pitch a couple starts until he gets hurt again.

There is approximately $1.83 million remaining this year and a $1.95 million buyout on his contract.

That’s nothing for the White Sox.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 28, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah i think i mentioned a while back that Danks

could get that 30 inning bump. that is not good. he very well may hit a wall or worse.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 28, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did you see the game -- Lincecum's start, that is -- Toonder?

I just don’t like sticking strictly with pitch counts sometimes. Don’t get me wrong — 130 pitches is a lot and probably isn’t necessary in most cases, but I hate making a judgment without knowing the context (the context in this case being how the game went along, i.e. if he was laboring). I’m also interested because I think Lincecum might be my favorite non-Sox pitcher in the majors, if not player overall.

by CWSKeith on Aug 28, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i didn't see it.

in my sleep-deprived state this morning, i failed to mention a part of my annoyance was the reasoning that in a 2-1 game it was unwise to leave it up to the giants’ bullpen—as if the outcome of the game meant a lot in the long run or the game situation didn’t dictate a change.

looking at the pitch-by-pitch from last night, he started the 8th up 2-1 and proceeded to strike out pods on 6 pitches (taking him to 123 pitches), walk taveras (up to 129), and induce a holliday fly out. at 132 pitches, bochy replaced lincecum with a lefty to face hawpe, who had doubled and walked twice in his three appearances against lincecum in the game.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 5:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looking at some other things...

lincecum is #3 and cain #4 in mlb in pitches thrown this season. not sure i’d be thrilled about that if i were a giants fan and my team was at 59-74 (9 gb division and 8th in wild card standings).

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 6:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two words for the future.

Disabled list.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Aug 28, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah -- that's somewhat ugly

but again — I don’t think pitch count is necessarily a determinant of a future DL trip. Plus, does Bochy get any ‘faith’ for having handled Peavy relatively well (IIRC) in San Diego? From my completely outside and far away perspective, I always thought Bochy was a halfway decent manager, but again, I could be completely wrong.

by CWSKeith on Aug 28, 2008 8:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as a note to cheat from one of SSS's resident pitching coaches.

danks’ mechanics were messed up. release point quite inconsistent (and a few times wildly and ridiculously off) and “higher” than normal. looked absolutely atrocious to me. coupled with the fact that he was working at a snail’s pace, it’s pretty obvious that something was bothering him. laboring would be a kind description of what he was doing.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 10:37 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He looked tired

but, lets wait until after Monday’s game before we all become Dr. James Andrews.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lets keep that on the down low...

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you have a picture to post, SSH?

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BSS = Fat Ed Grimley?

I knew it.

;)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no. that's a picture of osfib that i came across the other day and posted.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You guys got it all wrong

I never button the top button.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not in need of the good Doctor (I wouldn't think he has any structural damage)

but might need a little break. He hasn’t had much run support (Gavin must buy more drinks than Johnny for their mates) and seems to be in tough games more often than most.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matchup: Twins (75-58) at Athletics (61-72), 7:05 p.m. PT
Probable Starters: Nick Blackburn (157 1/3 IP, 4.58 RA, 1.32 WHIP, 78 K) vs. Dana Eveland (132, 4.36, 1.49, 92)
Pythagorean Record: Minnesota, 73-60 (670 RS, 604 RA); Oakland, 64-69 (519 RS, 541 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Minnesota, #10; Oakland, #20
Prospectus: Last night Brad Ziegler’s compelling season continued into its latest chapter, as he closed out his sixth save in six opportunities since taking over the closer’s job from Huston Street, shutting down the division-leading Angels while lowering his RA/9 to 0.39 on the season. After Garret Anderson reached on an error to lead off the ninth and Rob Quinlan walked following a Reggie Willits sacrifice to put the winning run on first, Ziegler got Juan Rivera to bounce into a 4-6-3 double play to end the game. It was the third game-ending double play that the side-arming rookie right-hander has induced in his last seven appearances, and the 16th twin-killing the A’s have turned in his 46 2/3 innings on the mound this year, 15 of them on ground balls. To put that number in perspective, Mark Buehrle has had 27 double-play grounders this year to lead the majors, while throwing close to four times the number of innings that Ziegler has. Forty batters have hit against Ziegler so far in situations where a GIDP was possible, and they have complied a remarkable 37.5 percent of the time. Thus far his filthy sinker has produced 87 grounders versus 22 flies, a G/F ratio of 3.95 that ranks as the second best in baseball behind Chad Bradford (5.60). Batters have had extreme difficulty hitting anything hard in the air against him, and just four of the 28 hits Ziegler has allowed have gone for extra-bases—three doubles and a triple—leaving his opponent ISO a paltry .034. Last night’s effort moved him into first place in the majors in ARP, with 25 runs prevented above average, and he now ranks seventh in WXRL at 4.3 wins added.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

So obviously the elephant is a symbol of the A’s. The car is the Twins. Which player wears 15?

Optimist

by Peder on Aug 28, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's not a 15. you're trying too hard.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously that is ISC.

A member of the Internet Scrabble Club.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Aug 28, 2008 12:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm So Confused?

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 1:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmm

I’m reading it as ‘15C’, but I’m willing to be educated. Any idea what it actually is or what it stands for?

Optimist

by Peder on Aug 28, 2008 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indian?

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 3:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His seat number at the Metrodome.

The row number is on his trunk.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 2:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Aug 28, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kenny Rogers

Supposedly cleared waivers. Might look good as a #5 starter for the Sox? Due $1.5 mill for the rest of the season and is unsigned after the year.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 11:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if the twins would cockblock the sox over washburn, they'd probably do it over rogers as well, no?

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

again, i need more sleep. signing off now.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 11:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha, you sound like me...

As mediocre as The Gambler has been this year, if Danks is really breaking down with his heavier workload it would probably be a good idea to add another starter. But since everyone is convinced that the Indians wouldn’t deal with the Sox, why would the Tigers? Only the Royals seem to want to deal with the Sox.

I definitely see the Tigers dealing Rogers though. They would probably like to get a few starts out of Sweaty Freddy to see if they want to bring him back for next season.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rogers...

is no better than Richard at this point in his career.

Which wouldn’t be such a problem if he wasn’t such an enormous jackass.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 28, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but he's a veteran.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 11:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow...

Just looked at Rogers’ numbers…

188 hits, 67 walks, and only 76 strikeouts in 161 innings?

No thanks.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What other options do we have?

Rosters are set Monday. Not sure I want to ride the Richards/Broadway roller coaster through September in the heat of the race.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said...

Kenny Rogers is no kind of upgrade on anyone the Sox have.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 28, 2008 11:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

playoff rosters are set.

you can still add whomever you want to your active roster.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some, although...

I think the player has to be at least in your organization on 9/1 in order to replace an injured player.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 28, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Tale of Two Teams

I received an email from reader CW regarding the AL Central race as it pertained to the August 15 Hit List:

Could you please explain why the [White] Sox are 10 places above the Twins in the rankings but yet only one game ahead in the standings? I understand that PECOTA has a lot to do with the rankings but 10 spots? Seems to me the Sox are a little over-rated and the Twins a little under don’t you think?
Though they form the basis of the pre-season Hit List and are incorporated into the ones early in the season, at this stage of the year PECOTA has nothing to do with the Hit List rankings. It all comes back to the Adjusted Standings and the various ways we refine a team’s run differential to determine its true strength. Rather than tackle a ranking that’s nearly two weeks old, let’s take a look at the Twins and White Sox through Tuesday, when the 76-56 South Siders held a two-game lead over the 74-58 Twins.

Both teams have positive run differentials, but the White Sox have a more favorable one that’s nearly double that of their pursuers. They’ve outscored opponents 684-568, a margin of 116 runs, while the Twins have just a 65-run advantage on their opponents, 664-599. The first-order Pythagenpat projections based on those actual run totals have the White Sox playing at a 77.5-win clip, the Twins at a 72.5-win clip, expanding the gap between the two teams from two wins to five.

Adjusting for the run elements which went into scoring those runs—hits, walks, total bases, stolen bases, etc.—as well as their park and league scoring environments, the White Sox’s margin shrinks to 109 runs (684-575); they’ve scored as many runs as their run elements suggest they should, but have allowed slightly fewer. The Twins’ margin shrinks even more drastically to seven runs (609-602); they’ve scored 55 more than they should have. That’s the widest margin in the league, and as I pointed out last week, that has much to do with their .312/.388/.457 performance with runners in scoring position, the league’s best with regards to batting average and OBP. The two teams’ second-order projections derived from their Equivalent Run totals double the spread between the two teams to a hair over 10 wins, with the White Sox at 76.8 and the Twins at 66.7.

Adjusting for the quality of their opponents’ hitting and pitching via their own EqA and their EqA Allowed maintains the White Sox’s margin at 109 runs (692-583) while restoring a bit of favor to the Twins offense (624-608). The third-order projections derived from these Adjusted Equivalent Run totals maintain a nine-win margin between the two teams (76.7 wins to 67.6).

Now, many would be content to leave it at that, but the Hit List actually incorporates the winning percentages derived from all four runs-scored/runs-allowed sets. In doing so, it gives weight to the fact that the Twins have bagged more wins than their run differential suggests (mainly thanks to some good high-leverage work by their hitters and bullpen), without ignoring the fact that teams’ projected records are better predictors of future performance than actual records are. Using the numbers discussed here, the White Sox’s Hit List Factor is .581, the Twins’ is .532, equivalent to a 6.5-win margin at this stage of the year.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8006

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 12:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

1) I hope the Hit List turns out be correct
2) I think I need a smoke and a drink after reading that.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 12:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed. I picked up a fifth of vodka half-way through.

It made the last half far more stomach-able.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Aug 28, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think it's too controversial...

to say that the White Sox are better than the Twins.

That doesn’t mean they’ll finish the season with more wins, though.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 28, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

of course not. the current 5.5 difference between true and actual wins certainly within what i would call the "margin of over/underachievement" by a team.

the sox could also easily underachieve over a month, twins overachieve, sox overachieve, everyone do what they’re supposed to, and/or, etc.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 12:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would you set up the matrix of possibilities fro us, Neo?

We know you are…The One.

j/k

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*for*

AAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can somebody please

forward this like it’s hot
to the mlb standings?
the twins can’t win the division if we have all that shit in our favor, right? right?

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 28, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the twins already won the division.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i thought it was just the world series

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Aug 28, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you thought wrong.

the twins wrapped up the central division title in may. they then went on to win the al west, al wild card, nl west, nl east, and nl wild card. they look certain to wrap up the al east this weekend. the nl central is a different story; things are still tight with the cubs. but i think they’re just toying with them in order to crush the hearts of cubs fans in the last week. nick punto is a real asshole that way.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He hasn't taken Step 1 yet, has he?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As much as I hate both teams...

great Red Sox / Yankees game today. Good to see the Yankees help out the Sox cause.

Giambi was a stud today. He scored all three of his teams runs including the walkoff single with the bases loaded.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how did he score the last of the three runs with a walkoff single?

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Giambi only had two AB's...

Pinch-hit 2-run jack to CF off of a meatball by Okajima to tie the game 2-2. Then, he singles with the bases loaded and one out in the bottom of the 9th inning.

Varitek didn’t like the meatball by Okajima…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 3:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, you meant he drove in all three, not scored all three. much better.

and you know what they say…“when the shitty-hitting captain’s not happy, ain’t nobody happy.”

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, "knocked in".

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good baserunning.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Aug 28, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

caught the tail end of it

yeah, its nice to see the evil empire help our cause

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 28, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who was it earlier in the season talking about how terrible it would be to have mussina as your third best starter?

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 3:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would be madvillian.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 3:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

d'oh.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 3:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, he seems to realize that he makes stupid assertions sometimes and makes light of it.

a lesson from which we could all learn.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know what they say...

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's Step 2?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ask and ye shall receive...

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 4:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is my dilemma - I am blessed with awareness

and cursed with a lack of acumen do do anything about it. Oh, for being able to take the “leap of Faith”.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you mean "we" as in "all of us"

or do you mean “we” as in “all of you idiots”?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i generally admit when i'm wrong about something.

although i’m not sure i ever get into the madvillian territory of personally guaranteeing joe crede won’t be OPSing .800 by the end of may and the like.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I said that Crede would finish with an OPS around .750 on the season...

I’m looking good now. Crede is at a .777 OPS.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 4:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks?

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's right. he is looking good now.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 4:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the cape messed with the frequency of his ability to read the sarcastic posts of the old thread.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The point is Tdogg was all over me...

for saying that Crede would finish the season with around a .750 OPS. His OPS is currently falling faster into the toilet than one of my beer shits. I just thought it was funny that he gave me so much shit back then since Crede’s career numbers are very mediocre and he has really only had one good offensive season in his career.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you need a new beer of choice.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL in my office.

Reminds me what a columnist in Financial Times wrote when Bush v. Kerry debate was televised and how much W. was hated – said his expression after answering a question to his own satisfaction was akin to “the smirk a child makes when he’s successfully used the toilet”. Or something like that.

SSH: Joe Crede OPS’ing .777 = I Made a Doody!

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A Twins loss tonight sure would be nice.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 3:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I especially like the term "nice"

So descriptive. Says it all.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you now giving him a hard time when he's in a good mood? for shame.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 4:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mood has changed as quickly as the direction of Gustav

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hopefully the a's offense is rested up after taking the 3rd-9th innings off last night.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 3:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 28, 2008 5:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

have you an extra copy of the comic that you would be willing to part with? kthxbai.

regards,

ssh2005
private investigator

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 5:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

GREAT NEWS!!!
Josh Beckett has been scratched from his scheduled start Friday and is scheduled to see Dr. James Andrews.
No details yet, but Beckett must have had more tingling in his hand yesterday and/or today. His bullpen session Tuesday reportedly went fine, causing him to be penciled in for Friday. The Red Sox figure to place him on the DL and call up someone — perhaps David Pauley — to start Friday.

Source: Boston.com

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 4:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pauley = guy sox haven't seen before with awful major league numbers in his two short stints...let's hear it.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 4:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True, and the White Sox offense could still look like crap due to your facts...

but we already saw what the Sox lineup could do against Beckett — not much.

Plus, if Beckett is out longer than a week he is helping the White Sox Wild Card chances.

This can only be a positive.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do not stop taking these meds.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HA! I agree

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 4:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are so full of sunshine today!!

(I’m not kidding)

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Aug 28, 2008 4:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everything's coming up SSH!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Aug 28, 2008 4:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One last dig on Jay Marrioti

by all people, Roger Ebert.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/1132999,ebertletter082808.article

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 28, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that fat fuck can't even talk.

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or pleasure himself with both hands

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow...ballsy for a guy who watches movies for a living

Note to Roger:

The expression is, “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.”

Not, “On your way out, don’t let the door bang you on the ass.” Although I’m guessing Roger might know something about ass banging.

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Aug 28, 2008 5:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"He never let the truth get in the way of a story" - Hawk Harrelson on Jay Marrioti

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Aug 28, 2008 5:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You need more than one hand?

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Aug 28, 2008 5:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only when Q is at the dish

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 5:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

look familiar, 'gater?

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 5:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It should

He sees that every time he takes a leak.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

(Douchebag POS. Do NOT mess with me. I have baseball shoes older than you.)

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 7:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 8:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ouch!

Is that Ray Chapman?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 28, 2008 8:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to my knowledge, ray chapman was not bearded as such.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 8:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

espn reports Beckett out for Fridays start.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 28, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sss's resident optimist (at least for part of today) dropped this nugget an hour ago, yo.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 5:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i caught the end mariotti and ebert's discussion about it, but i didn't catch the details.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 6:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but has he admitted he is an asshole yet?

"Suck it up Bunky, we gotta go.'" - ron gardenhire

by larry on Aug 28, 2008 6:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no. he skipped straight to step 4.

"you're pathetic and you're weak. you're a fake and you lie. i'd like to crush you like an insect but i don't want to do the time."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 28, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kenny Rodgers (or possibly Tommy John) is pitching against the Sox on Friday.

Dr. Andrews predicted that Crede would OPS under .200, and that the Twins would finish 12 games up on the Sox, despite allowing 5 times as many runs as they score.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 28, 2008 6:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Q!!

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Aug 28, 2008 6:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dice-K bumped up to Friday; David Pauley pitching on Saturday...
The Red Sox are calling the decision to scratch Josh Beckett from his scheduled start Friday a precautionary measure.
“I think the best word I can use is we’re just trying to get some closure,” manager Terry Francona said. “We never want to send anyone out there that’s not 100 percent. We’re no more pessimistic about him today than we were, but when he goes out there [again] we want him to be able to pitch with peace of mind.” GM Theo Epstein added that it was his understanding that the tingling was not still present in Beckett’s pitching hand, but that “the elbow itself doesn’t feel 100 percent.” The Red Sox plan to move Daisuke Matsuzaka up to Friday and call up David Pauley to start Saturday.

Source: Boston.com

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 28, 2008 8:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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ESPN Ultimate Standings 2009 - No. 47 - White Sox
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OT: Sad Day For "815" And ALL Illinoisans
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Rumored 2003 Steroid list leaks out?

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