Season Over; Anything on the Farm? or White Sox Minor League Autopsy
by larry on Aug 3, 2008 7:03 PM CDT
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of course not. duh. kenny traded away everything of any worth, sucks at drafting, and doesn't sign foreign players who are under 33.
and when he does draft a decent player, they end up hurt. you know, like kris honel. or aaron poreda. yeah, yeah. i know. he hasn't gotten hurt. yet. but carlos gomez saw that one video, everyone read his article and believed it, so it must be true.
so after another outing of 6+ IP, few hits, no walks, and lots of Ks, it's time to call him up, KW. after all, he couldn't be any worse than logan, could he?
http://birmingham.barons.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Poreda%20&pos=P&sid=t247&t=p_pbp&pid=519145
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and we all know what the problem with the white sox is.
pitching you say? no. speed, fucknut. speed doesn’t slump. speed doesn’t fall asleep. speed wins game. and, interestingly enough, speed has been statistically proven by seamheads – working 18 hour days in their mom’s basement – to be highly correlative with a low RA. for which team you ask? who gives a shit. you know you like to watch guys run around the bases like headless chickens. even the most diehard seamhead gets a hard-on watching juan pierre play. sure, they’ll tell you they don’t. but they live in their mom’s basement. who the fuck does that other than guys who get hard-ons from watching guys play sports?
so it’s about time the sox called up brad eldred. i bet you thought he was slow. wrong. stole his second base tonight. jerry “i can steal you fifty bases” owens had his thumb in his ass. plus, for you earl weaver types, brad probably leads the international league in home runs. i say probably because i don’t care enough to look it up. prove me wrong, FN. this team only has, like, i don’t, fifteen players who should only play first or dh. what’s one more. screw it. put eldred in center. i hear he’s got great instincts and is healthy. according to kenny, that’s all you need.
by larry on Aug 3, 2008 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Your forgot to ask "Who's with me?!?"
I’ll be happy to help you put a dead horse in Dean Wormer’s office, btw.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Aug 3, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSH, how did you get a hold of larry's login? ;-)
He was a catcher with the Orioles back in the day. Sorry looking (expletive). My brother had his card. He looked like this little kid who got left at a bus station by his parents. You know why? Because he had to catch Hoyt Wilhelms knuckle ball five (expletive) years.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 4, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Gomez
never slumps :) insert dead horse picture here =
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 4, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet if you flew to Minnesota the next time the Sox face the Twins...
and hid in Carlos Gomez’s closet with a camera, you could get some good shots of Hawk slobbing his knob.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 4, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and, if you hid in francisco liriano's closer, no doubt you'd find SSH doing the same thing to liriano.
by larry on Aug 5, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to hide inside of Joe Nathan...
That’s disgusting.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 5, 2008 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would that be Silence of the Lambs revisited baseball style?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Aug 5, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
great catch
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 7, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poreda might be the only reliever we have in the minors...
who could help the Sox. Maybe he could be like a second Thornton. Either way, it wouldn’t be tough to be more productive than Logan right now.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 4, 2008 7:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, starter turned reliever in the majors.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 4, 2008 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 2nd Thornton, eh?
‘Cause the first one is doing so well as of late.
(I agree with the call-up, BTW. Rays will be calling up Price, we know about Liriano, etc. Where’s our “magic bullet”? Aaron effin’ Poreda, come on down.)
shaftr, the ghost author. cheat, the never-present manager. colin, the obfuscating author. wiz…well. who the fuck knows. at least he shows up to work.
by winningugly on Aug 4, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thornton's last couple appearances were bad but not Logan bad.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 4, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny clearly has no idea how
to draft . . . I wish we could have drafted Daniel Moskos . . . oh wait, I mean Ross Detwiler . . . no, I mean Chris Withrow . . . um, well how about Casey Weathers . . . Nick Schmidt? Joe Savery? Ah . . . well, Poreda is still a terrible 1st rounder and Kenny still has no idea how to draft.
by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't like drafting one pitch-pitchers projected to be relievers?
Can I interest you in a Lance Broadway or a Kyle McCulloch? Probably not.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 4, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Late in the first round?
A successful major league reliever would not be disappointing. However, I think it is WAY too early to suggest that he is not capable of being a competent big league starter.
by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow. you clearly need to go back to WSI. enough with this non-knee jerk crap already.
by larry on Aug 4, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fault . . .
You are right . . . I should be ranting on how crappy it is to have a 21 year old pitcher that has been in the minors for not even a year pitching, by most sane accounts, successfully in AA. Perspective lacking by some perhaps?
by jc2313 on Aug 4, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome to sss. you are now in a world of shit.
"fortunately, i'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber."
by Toonderstrook on Aug 4, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 4, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyler Kuhn is destroying the ball in Great Falls...
I hope he gets some time in Kanny before the season is over. His line is .380/.434/.595. Three doubles and a triple last night.
Cassel tossed eight innings of shutout ball last night as well.
by Craig Grebeck on Aug 5, 2008 7:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
His peripherals aren't that amazing
but I would like to see him do what Sergio Miranda did last year.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 5, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does keep the ball in the yard
180 IP and only 6 HR allowed over the last 2 years, not sure if it is a sustainable ‘skill’ for him though, but is the main reason he has kept the ERA lower than the other numbers suggest it should be.
by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very informative
Having never seen him or even read much of a scouting report, this is helpful. Not sure if he used all of the arm angles as a starter, but might lead to some credence for the vast improvement upon moving to the bullpen.
by jc2313 on Aug 5, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor League Transactions
Chicago White Soxhttp://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1489Signed: OF Jason Tyner
Recalled: RHP Ehren Wassermann, 2B Danny Richar, 3B Josh Fields
Placed on 7-day DL: 2B Robert Hudson
Reinstated from DL: C Eric Hollis, OF Jerry Owens
The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.
by The Wizard on Aug 6, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
a piranah waiting in the depths!?
Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 6, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jack egbert: i don't love you anymore.
5.1, 11 hits, 6 runs, 1 HR.
by larry on Aug 6, 2008 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
demote his lousy ass...
i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry
by furby2056 on Aug 7, 2008 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
U R A curse, Cheat
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Aug 7, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
egbert scouting report from jim
He has a funky, deceptive delivery in that when he begins his stride toward the plate after his leg kick, he extends his right arm back towards center field, then hides it behind his back, almost swinging it in the direction of first base. The hitter doesn’t seem the ball again until it’s past his shoulder, as his delivery is short-armed.His sinker registered at 88 in the sixth, and he got a backwards K with a four-seamer at 90 m.p.h. on the inside corner. His changeup had a considerable amount of left-to-right break and was clocked at 77, and his slowed down his curve to 71. He wasn’t afraid to double up on his breaking ball.
I’m guessing he had trouble hitting his spots - he was missing low in the sixth - but his pitches seem to have more life on them than Lance Broadway’s arsenal, though Broadway did a much better job against the same Syracuse lineup.
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2008/08/07/13596.aspx
by larry on Aug 7, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recent Draftees
A couple of recent draftees had very good starts in rookie league last night . . . one an 18 year old, the other probably needs to move up to Kanny or even WSW at this point. Anyway, some reason for optimism in the farm system . . .
by jc2313 on Aug 8, 2008 9:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That great news about Upchurch.
I was a bit concerned that he hadnt pitched for a while and figured they were prepping him to start. Sure enough he starts and does a good job, the walks arent a big concern since hes just out of high school and it will take him a little while to gain control.
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at macdougal throwing a scorless inning!
and eldred playing keep up with Q! on home runs
i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry
by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2008 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's fucking garbage
release his ass now and make way for jordan danks
i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry
by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also: pen by sept?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, September 1st...
along with a lot of other guys.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still doubt it. b-ham are in the playoffs, to boot.
by larry on Aug 9, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Fuck Birmingham, if he can help the big club, which I think he can then get him up here.
by The Big Hurt on Aug 9, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allen also homered in that game
yet another off a star Rays pitching prospect
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has there been anything written lately...
re: Poreda and his development of a second pitch? Or are we to presume that at this point he’s still (more or less) doing his thing with that upper-90s fastball?
by CWSKeith on Aug 9, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
second pitch? the misinformation about this guy is stunning.
it’s the development of a third pitch, his changeup, that’s the issue.
by larry on Aug 9, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he throws a slider/slurve/curve?
Forgive my ignorance—I’ve paid little attention to much of the farm system for a good while now. Is it (his breaking ball) considered a plus pitch? A quick glance at MinorLeagueBaseball’s scouting report (which may or may not be a good source) gave me this:
“Slider: He has one, but it’s way behind the fastball.”
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/events/draft_report/y2007/index.jsp?mc=poreda
by CWSKeith on Aug 9, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's good but inconsistent. welcome to minor league pitchers.
by larry on Aug 9, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention, when you have a fastball that is a solid
70 on the scouting scale you can still have a “slider that is way behind the fastball”, but still be an effective pitch.
by jc2313 on Aug 9, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
goldstein beckham update
8. Chicago White Sox: Gordon Beckham, SS, University of Georgia
Status: Unsigned
Agent: SFX
Negotiations: The fact that Beckham is unsigned going into the final days is a mild surprise. What has likely happened here, is that his advisors accurately evaluated the market for top-flight college players as inflating significantly, and they decided to hold Beckham back in order to ride the coattails of the situation and reap the rewards.
Prediction: Something around $3-$4.5 million, with a 50/50 shot at a major league deal.
by larry on Aug 9, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sickels' review of his top 20 white sox prospects
1) Gio Gonzalez, LHP, Grade B+
Traded to Oakland. 4.24 ERA with 128/61 K/BB in 123 innings for Triple-A Sacramento, 106 hits allowed. Not bad at all for the PCL. A fine prospect.
2) Fautino De Los Santos, RHP, Grade B+
Traded to Oakland. Tommy John.
3) Aaron Poreda, LHP, Grade B+
3.43 ERA with 55/17 K/BB in 66 innings since promotion to Double-A. Meeting expectations.
4) Jack Egbert, RHP, Grade B-
4.89 ERA with 99/33 K/BB in 107 innings, 110 hits allowed at Triple-A Charlotte. Capable of better.
5) Ryan Sweeney, OF, Grade C+
.293/.344/.388 for Oakland. Lack of power is going to make him a bench guy.
6) Lance Broadway, RHP, Grade C+
4.68 ERA with 96/43 K/BB in 138 innings in Triple-A, 160 hits allowed. Stuff may be too marginal for big success.
see link for the rest….
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/8/10/590435/chicago-white-sox-top-20-i
by larry on Aug 10, 2008 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sad.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inquiry about Egbert
Despite his somewhat poor ERA, it doesn’t seem like Egbert is having that bad of a year at Charlotte. His K/BB is still a healthy 3-to-1 and his GB rate is above 50%. It appears that the big thing is he’s giving up more homers per flyball this season, which (I’d guess) could partly be attributed to pitching at Charlotte. Oddly enough, even though he’s given up nine more homers at home, his GB/FB is higher at home. His ERA is also lower at home, so I’m not really sure what to make of that…
I guess I’m just wanting a general analysis about Egbert’s prospects going forward. Before the season, I’m pretty sure that ZiPS projected something like a 4.60 ERA for Egbert. Have these past 100+ innings at Charlotte taken away that ‘back-of-the-rotation-starter-in-the-near-future’ shine, or should he still be in-house candidate number one for the next starter to get an extended look at the big league level?
by CWSKeith on Aug 10, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Healthy Lucas Harrell Rocks!
7 IP, 2 H, 6 Ks. He’s also got a very healthy groundball rate going.
by CWSKeith on Aug 11, 2008 2:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
John Shelby Jr., OF, High-A Winston-Salem (White Sox)
Shelby isn’t a great prospect, but at this point a good prospect is more than enough in a rather horrible White Sox system. Shelby went deep in all three of his games over the weekend, giving him 13 on the year to go with a .285/.327/.489 batting line and 28 stolen bases in 33 attempts. An infielder in college, Shelby was converted to the outfield last year, but has disappointed in center so far, leaving many to wonder if he’ll become enough of a hitter for a corner. If he’s similar to anyone, it’s his father (without the switch-hitting skills), and that should be good for some kind of career.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7931
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a guy I would be willing to give up for Washburn...
He appears to be a good prospect at first glance but his BB-to-K rate is Korey Patterson-like. I think the Mariners would be interested in him. They could use a CF prospect after trading away Adam Jones.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 11, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
he’s a man without a position and has apparently zero patience and is developing a K problem. if he hits .270, he submarines his value. that’s high risk.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 11, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
macdougal tries, fails to lose baseball game.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 11, 2008 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
First Inning had him for six wild pitches.
Can we have Daniel Cortes back?
by Craig Grebeck on Aug 12, 2008 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor League Transactions
Chicago White Sox
Recalled: RHP Adam Russell
Optioned to Triple-A: LHP Clayton Richard
Placed on 7-day DL: OF Nick Mahin
Reinstated from DL: RHP Nathan Jones
Richard, 24, showed the same fine command in the big leagues (11 strikeouts, four walks in 13 innings) that he did in the minors, but the results did not follow. He went 0-2, 10.38 in three starts for the White Sox, perhaps because he was around the strike zone too much, as evidenced by 25 hits allowed and three home runs. Chicago’s eighth-round pick out of Michigan in 2005, Richard is a strike-thrower and a fast worker to the extreme, so he’ll be afforded other opportunities. He returns to Triple-A Charlotte, where he went 6-0, 2.45 with 33-4 K-BB in 44 innings before his callup. Had he not been called up in the first place, Richard would be in Beijing right now preparing to start for Team USA in the Olympics.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=1520#more-1520
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 12, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did you know dewon day is a starter now?
he can’t do that, either.
the atmosphere is just too much for me.
by larry on Aug 13, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe this guy has kept his spot on the 40-man roster for so long.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 13, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gordon to kanny
http://www.southsidesox.com/2008/8/13/593075/gordon-beckham-signs
paging mr. poreda. paging mr. aaron poreda. your seat in the left field bullpen is ready.
by larry on Aug 13, 2008 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kannapolis death/life match: miranda v. escobar
who makes room? miranda up or escobar down? enjoy greater charlotte for one last night, sergio/eduardo.
paging mr. poreda. paging mr. aaron poreda. your seat in the left field bullpen is ready.
by larry on Aug 13, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hey i know those guys!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 14, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
f. german gets clubbed in his first charlotte appearance
2 hits, 2 walks, 3 runs before he even recorded an out. and that out plated another run.
paging mr. poreda. paging mr. aaron poreda. your seat in the left field bullpen is ready.
by larry on Aug 13, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A waste of a PTBNL, even though the PTBNL will be a scrub.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 13, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not then right?
taking cheap chances are usually good ideas. that’s generally what kenny likes to do.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Aug 14, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only risk would be calling up this walkathon.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Aug 14, 2008 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
becks debuts
paging mr. poreda. paging mr. aaron poreda. your seat in the left field bullpen is ready.
by larry on Aug 15, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this beckham kid is another KW first round bust.
paging mr. poreda. paging mr. aaron poreda. your seat in the left field bullpen is ready.
by larry on Aug 17, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No homers yet, POS.
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 17, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spoke too soon.
"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen
by omnipotent grab on Aug 17, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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