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Vazquez, Sox Can't Finish Off Tigers

Javier Vazquez was infuriatingly inefficient over his first three innings against the Tigers Thursday night. He needed 60 pitches to get out of the third. Thankfully, his only real mistake, beside throwing too many damn pitches, was a low and inside fastball that Miguel Cabrera parked for the Tigers first two runs.

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Ozzie Guillen must have given Vazquez a talking to in between innings, because when Vazquez returned he was a strike throwing machine. He needed just 15 pitches to set down his next 4 batters, all of them on strikeouts. The success was short-lived, however, as Detroit countered with back-to-back extra-base hits, the second of which was our third triple hit to Ken Griffey Jr in just his 4th game played in the field.

By my count, that's 5 extra bases that Griffey has allowed in the field (over an average fielder), which nearly matches the total number of bases he's produced offensively; 6: 4 singles, a walk, and a HBP. In just four games, it's become painfully clear that Griffey is exactly what I expected defensively, an amazing liability any time he takes the field. How long will the Sox keep trotting him out there?

Making matters worse, Nick Swisher reached base in 3 of his 4 plate appearances, hitting two doubles, but he never came to the plate with RISP. Alexei Ramirez made sure of that. The only time Swisher came to the plate with a man on, Ramirez, who reached one batter in front of him on a error-ruled-a-hit, failed in an attempted steal of second base to end the inning.

The Sox had their chances Thursday night, but each time it seemed like Griffey or Ramirez was there to make a key out. Though in Ramirez' defense, he did lay out a rope in the 8th. When Griffey and Ramirez, who left 4 and 5 runners on base, respectively, weren't killing the Sox rallies, they found other ways to shoot themselves in the foot. Moments before Ramirez' rope in the 8th, Paul Konerko doubled down the left field line into the corner. The ball took a funny hop and scooted by Ryan Raburn. It was the type of play that should have allowed even the slowest of baserunners to score from first, but Jim Thome looked like he had MS rounding third and was thrown out by a solid 15 feet. It's hard to fault Jeff Cox for sending Thome after the bobble, but he'll have to be more conservative in the future.

Ozzie stuck with Vazquez for as long as he could, letting him throw a season high 122 pitches. But not even Nessie could bring home the Sox a victory. Ozzie didn't use him properly. You have to leave him in to be eligible for the win, not pull him with men on base. Ehren Wasserman, whom Ozzie called upon to replace Russell, immediately put the game out of reach.

The loss puts the Sox just a half game up on the Twins--as if I had to tell you scoreboard monkeys--who play the Royals this weekend while the Sox host the BoSox for a 4 game set. Let's hope it turns out better than last season's 4-day ass-whooping.

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Scott Linebrink, who last we heard was well on his way to recovery, now "isn't close to throwing a bullpen session," which pushes his return to the team back to the end of the month at the earliest. Ugh.

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Yep Sox play the BoSox, who are also embroiled in a tight division race

While the Twins play the Royals. Let’s see how many fucking home runs Billy Butler hits against them.

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 8, 2008 12:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Methinks

Everyone is posted out.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 12:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not me!

boo tivo.
sox’re poo.
yay tivo.
bears’re on.
i’m drunk.
thats all.

by Trooper on Aug 8, 2008 2:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Olympics?

is anyone excited by it? just had a look at the schedule for opening night

Weighlifting

Judo

Equestrian

ffs

I’d rather have an infected root canal than watch that rubbish

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 8, 2008 4:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why can't i do smileys?

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 8, 2008 4:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we invented the internet

so we can do what we like

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 8, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, right. al gore is true blue american.

"cough syrup? that's a dumb way to get loaded, jack."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 8, 2008 12:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aw, that was such a softball, Toonder

It sat for 4+ hours without comment. And that’s your 1st offering in days?

You’re better than that, my friend.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WU BEEN LISTENING TO DAN PATRICK LATELY?

HE’S ALWAYS GIVING THE “C’MON YOUR BETTER THAN THAT”.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 8, 2008 1:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, giving some of what Toonder has given to me

back at him. I don’t listen to Patrick.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so i am not the only one who has asked him

to “knock on my door” and settle this once and for all? I feel like KW calling out Frank.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 8, 2008 2:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have not asked him that.

I was chiding a guy I have had a decent rapport with, and meant no malice. You are a bit more intense than that, SoB.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

I’m in Chicago next week. Are you threatening my wife and kid? I will hunt you down like “No Country For Old Men” style.

Seriously, you OK? Seem tense lately.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dog days of august.

"cough syrup? that's a dumb way to get loaded, jack."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 8, 2008 3:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rec'd, as always

Sucker for dead animals, am I.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 3:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't...stop...laughing

People are looking at me.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 3:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pheighl

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope - I can see it.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fayled ovar hear, two.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 8, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

same here.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You clickin' "show picture"

with the right click?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Working now, dont know why it didnt work at first.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's like...almost my name.

So I would pronounce that differently.

“feel”

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 3:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eye heart toonder.
< 3

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Equestrian is in the olympics but not softball? Women really got the shaft on that one.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 8, 2008 8:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My Cousin is

He’s staying with us for one more week… he also didn’t know who Ken Griffey JR was until I told him.

by 815Sox on Aug 8, 2008 8:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

damn it where are the game threads?

Thievin' motherfuckers take everything, don't they?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Aug 8, 2008 8:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Holy crap. No wonder Cheat wanted to bury the Game Threads.

Over 400 posts in the 1st one, and MAYBE 10% were about the game.

And such raunch! I can’t believe how low this place has sunk since “pierzynskirules” joined.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed

I can’t read the game threads anymore. I expect it will degenerate to “Sox rule, Cubs suck” comments any moment but that has too much baseball content.

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on Aug 8, 2008 9:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even I was appalled at the downward direction of the threads last night.

And I don’t mind lardy as much as the rest of you’s.
I think I got yelled at when I made a comment about baseball, actually.
:)
But the bit about pr’s chest size? Oy. Definitely chat room circa ‘97. And I wasn’t even into that then.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a/s/l?

maybe?

no?

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 10:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im ashamed of myself for my part in that yesterday.

I should have turned off the computer and walked away.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry

why are you against girls, what do i have to do to get someone to fucking understand me and i'm so happy that i amuse you.

by pierzynskirules on Aug 8, 2008 2:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IM THINKING OF CHANGING MY NAME TO

KONERKODROOLS

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 8, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks, i have nothing better to say

i’ll get out of here now

why are you against girls, what do i have to do to get someone to fucking understand me and i'm so happy that i amuse you.

by pierzynskirules on Aug 8, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*sniff*

i’m constantly being abandoned

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah right

why are you against girls, what do i have to do to get someone to fucking understand me and i'm so happy that i amuse you.

by pierzynskirules on Aug 8, 2008 2:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh you would know

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'll keep my comments to myself

cus they only get me in trouble and deeply hated

why are you against girls, what do i have to do to get someone to fucking understand me and i'm so happy that i amuse you.

by pierzynskirules on Aug 8, 2008 2:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, the internet is a festering boil of hate

beware.

or just, like, don’t give a shit.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 2:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how do i delete this off my profile?

why are you against girls, what do i have to do to get someone to fucking understand me and i'm so happy that i amuse you.

by pierzynskirules on Aug 8, 2008 2:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

by "this" you mean colin?

i’m afraid i haven’t found a way yet.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 8, 2008 2:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you just can't stop me baby

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 2:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't quit you, either.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 8, 2008 3:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this = ???

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 2:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this blog, its seems i shouldn't be on here anymore.

so i’ll make everyone happy and leave

why are you against girls, what do i have to do to get someone to fucking understand me and i'm so happy that i amuse you.

by pierzynskirules on Aug 8, 2008 2:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lame

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whatever colin

why are you against girls, what do i have to do to get someone to fucking understand me and i'm so happy that i amuse you.

by pierzynskirules on Aug 8, 2008 2:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whatever your face!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 2:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

evil much

why are you against girls, what do i have to do to get someone to fucking understand me and i'm so happy that i amuse you.

by pierzynskirules on Aug 8, 2008 2:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Colin?

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, because

1. This guy is awake.
2. You can see both of his hands.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 3:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Albeit they are in the fisting position.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 3:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

That is a lame solution.

Everyone on here gets picked on – it’s part of the game.
Just be happy Larry’s not in game threads.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 2:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 8, 2008 2:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe the blame lies on me for this one. for shame.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, no doubt you suck too...and did not help whatsoever.

But you did give my Q! comment proper propers.
So I almost forgive you.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or was it explodingwheels??

I can’t find the game thread, or else I’d look into it.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you know how hard it is to find those?

Better to just let it go.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

(sniffle)
But…but…..it was so good. And over-shadowed by Thome’s run for MS (was he sponsored?).

Man I wish I could find that damn thread!

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wish me luck Im diving in.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look for the bloody Q! pic in the 3rd thread!

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 3:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

esploding pinwheels is the winner! ergo nothing is forgiven, Ill just stand over here.
this comment did not receive the proper propers.

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Aug 7, 2008 10:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

x*

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, good call.

I’m glad you made it back to this thread – no tellin’ anymore.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a close one, something was down there.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I should really try this tongue biting idea.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I should really try that tongue biting thing.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 3:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

two bites

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 8, 2008 3:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 8:30 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garcia?

Is it time to consider Garcia as a relief pitcher? Maybe teams are right & he can’t make it as a starter this year, but maybe he can do it out of the bullpen for us? If Linebrink isn’t coming back soon we need some help any way we can get it, and I trust an 80% Freddy Garcia in a big game situation over Wasserman or the apparently now worthless Boone Logan.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 8, 2008 8:39 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SSH?

I’d consider Garcia only if he brings the brownies.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 8:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!

I am sure that is one of the reasons why he was made expendable. The sox are funny like that.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Aug 8, 2008 1:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the sox have at least three very dependable relievers at this point. forget the hiccup of the last month and forget how the bullpen overperformed for three months prior to that. the bullpen is fine. and garcia is useless, at least for this season.

by larry on Aug 8, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By that same token though

Couldn’t you make a similar argument conversely by saying the Sox have at least three very undependable relievers at this point and at least SOMETHING should be done to bolster it?

Note, I’m not saying Garcia is the answer, but can you truly expect to ride the same three horses night in and night out?

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 10:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You might add Tabasco to that list (as a long reliever)

which, if he stays sound by slapping someone once a week, makes things look a lot better out there. Would’ve been nice to hold the 5-3 deficit through Tiggers’ 9th, but WTF, Nessie/EW are in for mop-up mostly. And what bullpen is 6 guys deep?

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's the truly great teams who have six relievers.

i’m fine with jenks, dotel, carrasco and thornton. but i’m not a crazy motherfucker who expects all stars at every position.

by larry on Aug 8, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

six “great” relievers

by larry on Aug 8, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Carrasco really that good?

He’s been fine thus far, but Ehren Wassermann looked good for a while last year. Relievers are notoriously volatile.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 8, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, he's not really that good, but you make your own point -

relievers in that role are (to steal a term) “fungible”. You ride them while they’re hot. Some years (like last year) no one is hot. It’s amazing we’ve had Jenks perform well for the better part of 4 years now – no one in our pen has. So, for now, Carrasco is reliable. Until he isn’t. Then we scour the waiver wire/minors for another body.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 11:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

or then wasserman or russell or logan or whoever become reliable.

or the sox are fucked. welcome to baseball. it’s not like freddy “i haven’t pitched in 1.5 years and the scouting reports say my stuff is crap” looks great compared to carrasco.

by larry on Aug 8, 2008 11:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds about right.

This team is far from ideal, but it is what it is. Any available replacements for guys currently on the roster aren’t going to be guaranteed upgrades.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 8, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not stars

Just average to above average, and I don’t believe Logan and Wasserman are even average anymore (or ever were, but that’s a debate for a different time). I think Carrasco is average, and the other three are solid. As for Russel, the jury’s still out on him, though he’s been okay thus far.

I just don’t think it’s ludicrous to want to replace at least Logan with a more competent reliever.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The starters need to pick it up.

Guillen has been forced to go to the well far too much recently. That means that the good relievers are getting worked too much, and we’re seeing far too much of the bad relievers.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 8, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep easy to be great if they are (as they were)

pitching the least innings

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 8, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we had our chances...

...i.e. bases loaded for KGJ, one out. that old man cannot play the of, that’s for sure. ramirez, with zero plate discipline contributed to the defeat. wasserman is a mystery to me. i don’t like gimmick pitchers anyway and have never seen this guy be effective for more than a batter or two. he’s my definition of a permanent minor leaguer.

by RoyEgan on Aug 8, 2008 8:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remeber Folks

We still took 2 out of 3… The big series starts today

by 815Sox on Aug 8, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

remember that I can’t spell

by 815Sox on Aug 8, 2008 8:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm sure this was discussed ad nauseum on the gamethread

but, in the interests of ensuring the horse is, in fact, truly dead and not just faking it, wtf was thome doing on the bases in the 8th? when he drew the walk i said out loud, all right, let’s get wise out there for him. while cox utterly blew that one (yes, anyone should be able to score on that but raburn was throwing the ball before thome even made it to third; time to throw up the stop sign, jeff), there’s plenty for ozzie in this one, too.

by larry on Aug 8, 2008 9:02 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, especially with Thome nursing a sore leg (according to Joe Cowpie)

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 9:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he didn't look like he was running all out

it takes more than slow to get thrown out by that much on that play. He must be trying to avoid aggravating something.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Aug 8, 2008 9:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry to say this, but it was pretty much the very definition of 3rd base coach malpractice:

Sending a slow, old, injury prone player who was not even the tying run with one out against a bullpen that is just gasping for air. If Thome gets hurt on that play … torches, pitchforks, BURN HIM, HE’S A WITCH!!!

I think Cox knew it at the time too—the camera got a long series of shots of him commiserating with Konerko afterwards.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 8, 2008 12:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cox: "Show me how to hang my head after effing up".

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 12:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paulie hands him a bat to slam.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 12:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And it's not like it matters much anyway.

The final score was 8-3, and there was no guarantee that either Thome or Konerko would have scored.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 8, 2008 1:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, this is a replay of the last time

a slow guy (AJ?) was thrown out at the plate with

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My reply was swallowed in part

(continue prev. thought)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mother effer

(tries again) less than 2 outs. Thomer was out by a mile. Coxxie effed up royally.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

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and i have the same problem this time with cox.

not his aggressiveness in general, but the hamster in his skull just isn’t running around the wheel fast enough (maybe it was tired from a date with richard gere? pure speculation) to be able to assess what’s going on.

"cough syrup? that's a dumb way to get loaded, jack."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 8, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone else in a pissy mood?

I figured you were on vacation and got some R & R. Sounds like you were in a labor camp instead.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I thought too - we hopefully would've gone about the relief differently had we been able to actually stage the comeback and tie the game.

Momentum matters.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe, maybe not.

Thornton was probably not available, except for an emergency. Dotel and Jenks had both worked Tuesday and Wednesday night. And I don’t think that Boone Logan was any less likely to give up runs than Wassermann or Russell.

This is all fallout from the recent crappy pitching of the starting five, but there it is. There weren’t a lot of good options last night.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 8, 2008 1:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed that Thorny and Dotel were probably not options.

But Logan actually did alright in his brief appearance Tuesday…
Not that that negates his overall sucktitude…

But “maybe, maybe not” is pretty much what we’re all doing here anyway. Just speculating n shit. :)

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 1:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"'maybe, maybe not' is pretty much what we’re all doing here anyway"

yes. i would prefer less “maybe, maybe not” from the third base coach in certain situations.

"cough syrup? that's a dumb way to get loaded, jack."

by Toonderstrook on Aug 8, 2008 1:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh. Yeah, me too.

I would prefer two big palms up in the air in certain situations, preferably with any linguistical translation of STTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOPPPP FUCKING RUNNING.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 1:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rodney didn't pitch 3+ innings, did he?

Rodney’s not facing the Red Sox this weekend, either.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rodney was injured for a decent part of the season, IIRC

Not as much strain on him, and he’s not in a pennant race. I’d have saved Thorny anyway.

(Yeah, each game counts the same, I know. I’d have saved him anyway.)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't think it would have mattered.

If that liner falls for a single and its tied or more assuming the inning continues, Detroit is probably emotionally dead at that point. How many freaking leads can they lose?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 8, 2008 1:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could have is one thing.

After his great near-5 innings (iirc) Tuesday, I would like to see him fresh for Boston, rather than trying to sweep the Tigers.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 1:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I'd prefer being smart for the series we haven't won yet.

2 outta 3 ain’t bad.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 1:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you can't do one without the other

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 8, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball is not his first language - slack for the fellow should be cut

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are a hard man.

A hard man.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 2:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no he's right

it was a stupid comment, with a predictably pompous response

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by hoodlight on Aug 8, 2008 2:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I understand your point too, thought I maintain that after Thorton's heavy use on Tuesday, we should give the brother a bit of a break,

especially knowing that Contreras was coming back and we may need some long relief this weekend.

I agree that it is essential to live in the present and take each game by game….but in this one particular game (in which our offense was already botching opportunity, our terrible pitching aside) preceding a big weekend series, it doesn’t hurt to plan ahead a little.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I KNEW you were going to say that

See the post right above.

Would’ve been a nice conversation at the game, larry. Wives.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're at the point of hypotheticals on top of hypotheticals

at this point, but I disagree—for a game like this, pitch who you need tonight, deal with tomorrow tomorrow. This was a chance to bury a division rival, I think you have to jump at that. The Red Sox are not the Twins.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 8, 2008 1:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Matt was ready, I pitch him

I am not sure he would’ve been ready.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not if you agree to JRE

5-6 innings. Buehrls went less than 5 last time, IIRC.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*agree with*

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i was thinking more about how the red sox may construct their lineup tonight.

i say “may” because ortiz rarely sits and i’m not sure i’d sit drew, either.

by larry on Aug 8, 2008 1:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew what you meant re: L/R matchups

Angels dancing on the head of a pin. However, I consider this a great baseball week because I took the first class of Baseball 301 – How to Deke a Fielder on a Cutoff to Score a Run Before Getting Caught in a Rundown. (Theory – in practice, saw failure.)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

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Hopefully he's better tonight

He’s been way better at home. It has been an all or nothing year for Mark.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 8, 2008 1:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree you save the bullpen

But not for the next series, necessarily. You save the bullpen by making your starters take their lumps and put in their innings regardless of their effectiveness in a blowout. That’s when you concede the loss and don’t ruin your bullpen for tomorrow and the next day. It’s amazing how starters seem to really bear down when they know that they aren’t going to get rescued. Ozzie’s pretty good at that.

Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.

by Tim from Texas on Aug 8, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who says you're going to be in a position to win any of those games?

Seize the day! You have not guarantees that you will have a better chance at a win tomorrow.

Incidentally, this is why I’m not a fan of Ozzie’s Sunday lineups when the team has taken the first 2 of three in a series (although I won’t say yesterday’s lineup was a example of this). Play to win, step on the jugular when you have the opportunity.

Ozzie had a brainfart last night, let’s hope it doesn’t happen again. (although the whole organization seems to be having a brainfart with respect to Ken Griffey Jr., not a good sign seeing as brainfarts are contagious).

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Aug 8, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, that was the big question in the thread; knocked the wind right out of our Q!-love session.

What the hell was Cox thinking to wave Thome around? It looked like the steam just drained from his legs right around the time he was hitting third and the ball was being relayed in from left at warp speeds.

There were enough botched run opportunities throughout the night already – but some managerial decisions such as this one, and the one that told Che to attempt stealing 2nd with Swish at bat….those were the more disappointing to me.

We shoulda easily won that game….even if Javy sucked hard. Our offense had enough chances.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"...but Jim Thome looked like he had MS rounding third"

Totally insensitive, yet LOL comment of the day. Guess it ain’t mean if it’s true.

Really hope something’s not wrong though – he’s normally relatively fast on the basepaths (for a big man).

by Happy Felsch on Aug 8, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its monkey friday

here is my starter for ten

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 8, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awww

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 11:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jim leyland?

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 8, 2008 12:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't like this Griffey trade now

it seems to me as if it was too much of a Williams ego wank, just make an eyecatching trade for the sake of it and get top headlines on deadline day. It makes us unbalanced, it’s fucking up the equilibrium, like when the Sox played in those stupid camouflage outfits.

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 8, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember, we got him almost for free, though

He looks really weak on gas away. Cant lay off and cant catch up to it.

I'm like a laser, six-string razor. I've got a mouth like an alligator

by Nordhagen on Aug 8, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if the Sox can trade him to a contender?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was free until he started costing us runs

Doesn’t look so free any more.

I do like the balanced, nuanced assessment of Chelexei, though. Night before last – “Who IS this effin’ guy?”. Last night – “Who is this EFFIN’ guy!” Ah, as Gus Sands said, one day you’re up, the next day you’re down…

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ive been a puppet, a pauper, a pirate,
A poet, a pawn and a king.
Ive been up and down and over and out
And I know one thing:
Each time I find myself flat on my face,
I pick myself up and get back in the race.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 10:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

That's life.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Riding high in April.

Shot down in May.

(hey, we can actually apply this to MLB!)

And we pick ourselves up. and get. back. in the RACE!

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We. get. it. HSA.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 12:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you sure you do?

I thought of quitting, but my heart just won’t buy it.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 12:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 12:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you wonder why the site value is <$10K.

Kidz.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 12:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought it was your spelling's fault.

And the damn game thread clutter.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

And when I can find them (which is rare) I never know if there are new comments.

WTF

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm pretty thrilled that he was not in center last night.

Swish had a great catch that probably woulda been a triple if Griff were there.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 10:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One Positive from Yesterday

1. We didn’t sign Eyre (already have one in Wasserman)

Only thing I can think of…oh, and I didn’t get hit by a bus or a cab or bike messenger.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 8, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2. Sox took 2/3 from Detroit, Twinks lost 2/3 to Seattle.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 10:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was last 3 days.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 8, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stickler for detail, ain'tcha, BSS?

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 10:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

It's Friday, beatiful outside

I am stuck in this office, my wife is 9 months preggo and doesn’t sleep anymore, complains to me about everything and also yells at me about everything, I am crabby, going through my period, and I am taking it out on you schmoes.

PS, Wasserman looked terrible, Griffey looked like he wasn’t picking up the ball and needs glasses, PK can’t hit an inside curveball to save his life.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 8, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what we're here for.

See: SSH

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll take one of these

a couple margarita’s, a donkey show, a half bottle of muscle relaxers and some of SSH’s stash of Zoloft.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 8, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, the series concluded YESTERDAY. Couldn't count 'em before then.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fine, I'll add that as #2.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 8, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3. Paul Konerko, past five games -

.353/.476/.765.

Sample size be damned – I’ll take production from Konerko in whatever size helping.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 8, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No doubt

He’s looked a lot more comfortable at the plate too. Looking at pitches, going both ways, if he can keep it up we’ll be in decent shape.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

World = Ending in a Fireball

when JRE waxes positive on PK for whatever reason. But you are correct – maybe Jr’s trade woke him up.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You may be right - I'm interested in the catalyst,

you just look at the numbers/probabilities. Maybe Masset was his Kryptonite.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or the realization that the Sox were done putting up with his shitty play

and his playing time was about to be seriously reduced because of a certain 1st ballot hall of famer that had just been acquired.

Funny how the prospect of losing playing time can affect a player’s production.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What happened with Anderson then?

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 8, 2008 10:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Different level of player?

I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to say Konerko’s ceiling as a player is (currently at least) higher that Anderson’s.

True Konerko’s on the decline, but we’ve all seen the level he’s capable of playing at when all of his cylinders are firing. It’s at least possible that picking up Griffey lit a fire under his ass.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or it could just be the loss of the goatee

superstitious sons of bitches

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he looks markedly less mechanical at the plate and seems to be making adjustments.

so the psychological aspect of his slump seems to have passed, for now at least.

"I know it's pretty baby, but I didn't take it out for air."

by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Aug 8, 2008 11:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully Eeyore has left the building.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 11:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about level of player

but I think he had the fire lit under his ass well before the trade. He lit it. You could see he was beating himself up after every GIDP, Pop-Up and K. It wasn’t like he was just going through the motions.

"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."

by BobbySouthSide on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I realize we're arguing intangibles

(Which no doubt drives some of the people here mad) but I don’t think the attitude that comes with “beating himself up after every etc…” is one that is going to pull anybody out of a slump. I think that just breeds more negativity.

Before the trade, Konerko had to know he wasn’t going to realistically be benched, no matter how large the section of the blogosphere was that was calling for it. He knew that Swisher was going to end up back in center regardless of how Andersons and Wises were on the roster. I think it took the addition of a player like Griffey to snap Konerko out of it and make him realize that if he doesn’t pull it together, he’s not going to playing, as simple as that.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 11:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At the very least, to see a veteran sucking harder than he does

must be gratifying. You know, he doesn’t have to outrun the bear, just KGJ. The bear LOVES future HOF’ers.

End of pressure.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Thomer getting thrown out at the plate

means PK is good for 1.200 OPS this next week. (“Man, even I can outrun Thome!” Smack! Double.)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

well met sir, well met.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was so proud of him the past couple games....hitting and what not....and just seeing a real 1st baseman out there...

I think it’s the loss of goatee.
He’s a new man.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 10:44 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Titties

I hope he keeps up the good work.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Aug 8, 2008 10:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

B(go back to hell)Boy's screed about the 7:11 starts made me think...

Maybe the next gametime sponsor should be WSCR. You know, 670 The Score?

The games could start at 6:70, which translates to 7:10.

Every minute counts!

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 11:37 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or they could move it back to 7:12

Just to piss him off that much more.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's MAN. buehrleman.

you can call me BM for short. haha.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 8, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops. sorry about that, I have WU disease.

go back to hell.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Im a Merman!

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Merman, dad. Merman!

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cough Cough(in a girly manner)

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 11:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way...

the White Sox have faced lefty Jon Lester exactly once – July 7, 2006. Lester worked 6 innings, giving up 2 runs.

Mark Buehrle career vs Red Sox -

11 G, 10 starts, 4-4, 4.46 ERA.

Final score prediction – Boston 9, Chicago 1.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 8, 2008 11:58 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Final score prediction – Boston 9, Chicago 1.

But how many off MB vs. the pen?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 12:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

R U serious?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG

For realz???/

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, really, is that a serious prediction?

Youkalis must be going 5-5 with 4 RBI’s.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't want to see any lefthanders in the starting lineup tonight.

get it done, ozzie.

cabrera
swish
quentin
dye
konerko
ramirez
fields
hall
uribe

or thereabouts.

by larry on Aug 8, 2008 12:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uribe, Fields, OCab, Alexei, and PK?

Would the umps allow it?

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so is fields your DH....uribe?...konerko?

with kong as DH does that mean the che gets a go in CF??

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 8, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fields DHing would be my guess.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 8, 2008 1:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lester's control has greatly improved

36 walks in the 1st 2 months. only 10 walks in the last 2 months.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 8, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no disagreement here

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 8, 2008 12:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Granted, he's hot, especially after the AS break

So was (is) Cliff Lee when we faced him recently, and even though he did not take the “L”, we won.

(Yes, Boston is better than Cleveland, but I think we have a shot. Or let’s just forfeit.)

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 8, 2008 12:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my hand is already reaching for my cap.

you know, so i can tip it.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 8, 2008 12:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the other side of the coin...

I plan on being in attendance tonight. The Sox are 3-0 this year when I’ve been in the crowd.

A nice change of pace – usually, the Sox play like hot garbage when I’m present.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 8, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so the sox are due to win.

or lose.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 8, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very profound.

I had not thought of it this way before.

"just realized the superman uni is barely visible but slightly protruding out of his jersey. and i began to slightly protrude out of my pants." - MM

by homesickalien on Aug 8, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But definitely not tie.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not?

This isn’t an all star game.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 8, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm unfortunately gonna counter that my being in attendance

and the sox are 0-3 in my games. and they’ve scored a total of 2 runs in the games i’ve been to.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 8, 2008 2:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i always pegged you as a selfish ass.

“i wanna go to the game. even if it means they will lose. i wanna, i wanna!”

by larry on Aug 8, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i tried to mix up the mo by giving away tix for 4th of july.

i’d rather the sox win than see it live, obviously, but it’s tough to believe they can keep up this kind of futility at games i go to.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 8, 2008 2:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Picking the game against the Boston Red Sox and Jon Lester probably wasn’t going to help you buck that trend.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 8, 2008 2:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but at least it won't feel like a complete lost opportunity.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 8, 2008 2:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah..

I guess if your gonna gaurantee the sox a loss might as well do it in a game they had no business winning to begin with.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 8, 2008 3:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Today we come not to praise Slachelexi, but to bury him.

I still have zero issues with him—the CS last night was a bad play (obviously), but I’m not sure it wasn’t called from the dugout (Farmer certainly thought it was a good idea to send him), and (as Cheat acknowledges), it’s hard to blame him for the rope he sent out there in the 8th. If that ball falls in, he’s the hero in back-to-back nights.

I know, small sample sizes and all that, but it looks to me like Junior, on the other hand, is just completely broken. In addition to the results (which have been bad enough), he looks just totally overmatched at bat and, God, I knew he was bad in the OF, but this is approaching Lonnie Smith bad.

If the price of having a truly outstanding GM like KW is that every once in awhile he just absolutely needs to get one of “his guys” who happens to suck (Erstad, Griffey, etc.), I guess I’m ok with that, but, if anything, actually playing Griffey at this point appears even worse than playing Erstad last year (though admittedly, Griffey is nowhere near as annoying as Erstad) - at least Erstad could field and it’s not like the Sox were overloaded with options in the OF. The fact that Konerko is showing signs of emerging from Bat-Smashy-Season-Long-Slump-Part-Deux (Walker’s Revenge!), and that Swisher is playing well just cements it - if I never see Griffey again as anything other than a late-inning pinch-hitter for Uribe or Anderson, I’ll be fine.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 8, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe someone can do a recap of this post?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, attempt at humor about Konerko’s slump, blah, blah, Erstad.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 8, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

though I admit it's much more cogent than the one about

Bits O Honey, Reeses Pieces, and Twinkies. Something in there about about a train schedule too IIRC.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Aug 8, 2008 12:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

I was watching the Bears last night, but had gamecast on. I couldn’t believe how good Alexi’s hit was.. some people here made it sound like a flyout.

As for Griffey, well use him as a utility player I guess. He’s not helping us at the moment. His first start had me hoping that he would be useful, but since then not so much.

Last nights loss was also a result of some bad managing, Cox and Ozzie are both to blame.

by 815Sox on Aug 8, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoops

I meant “I couldn’t believe how good Alexi’s hit was when I saw it later”

by 815Sox on Aug 8, 2008 12:34 PM CDT