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Buehrle Baffles BoSox Bats

Well, that went a little better than last year.

Mark Buehrle might have had his best stuff of the season, which, as a soft-tossing lefty, isn't saying much. But his change up and curveball were about as crisp as I've seen them, and it showed in the results. Buehrle's 8 strikeouts were a season high, and he could have walked away after 7 innings, having allowed only 5 baserunners and no runs. Ozzie sent Buehrle out for the 8th, however, where he gave up a leadoff single and was pulled to a standing ovation.

Octavio Dotel relieved Buehrle, though he didn't provide much relief. A walk to JD Drew and a HR to Dustin Pedroia put the Red Sox right back in the game just minutes after Buehrle departed. Matt Thornton made easy work of David Ortiz before DJ Carrasco once again had trouble finding the zone. He was on his way towards walking the tying run into scoring position when Mike Lowell decided to help him out by popping up behind home.

Following the inning ending out, cameras caught AJ Pierzynski jawing at Carrasco on his way to the dugout. I can't be sure that it was anything more than AJ being AJ, but it didn't look like your normal fired up for a big out jabbering. It looked like he was genuinely pissed that Carrasco couldn't get anything over the plate.

Offensively, the Sox scratched out most of their runs the hard way before Carlos Quentin added some much-needed insurance with an 8th inning homer. Juan Uribe had a 2-2 night, and contributed to the Sox big inning with a well executed sacrifice bunt, which allowed Orlando Cabrera to drive in two with a double to right.

  • The Sox returned Ehren Wasserman to Charlotte to make room for Jose Contreras, who makes his return to the rotation tomorrow. With Contreras being almost an automatic 'L', Friday's win was extra-huge.
  • Buehrle's ERA over his last 16 games is 3.10.
  • While having Uribe in the lineup every day is certainly a sub-optimal situation, his play, especially defensively, over the last week has shown exactly why he was a much better fit than Pablo Ozuna for the Sox utility role.

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if we can get 6-7 innings and 4 runs or less from contreras...

i would be happy with that….Dice-K has sported an ERA close to 5 his last 3 times out on the bump…and hopefully the sox have a good approach against him…although jose has given up 49 ER in 48 1/3 IP vs the bosox in his career…perhaps he can come back strong and we can catch some lightning in a bottle for a week or two…idk that’s my optimistic self…

bye bye Wasserman thank fucking god!

fatty has been awesome defensively while crede’s been out and while fields has been sucking…Q! continues to be a fucking god

not too worried about dotel…he tends to give up runs every 4th or 5th time out…carrasco needs to be able to be more consistent around the plate…locate a sinkerball you fuck!

buehrle…go you! keep it up you big burly man you!

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2008 12:46 AM CDT reply actions  

i hope we can resign juan

he’s a really outstanding option as a utility guy.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 1:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Joke?

Anyway I dont think many teams would be interested in him so he would be a cheap resign.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

No he's serious

And he’s right Uribe is a great utility option.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I could see it going either way here really, I see why Uribe would be good but cant tell when people are serious here.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

clearly

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Aug 9, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's no joking around in the palace of wisdom

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jim has bird problems apperently.

http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/default.aspx

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 2:46 AM CDT reply actions  

the specific post

http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2008/08/09/13607.aspx

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

this works better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLGAvbSAjMk

just go to the 1:55 mark.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

For Contreras

it will depend on how well he has command of the forkball. If it’s on, he should be able to give the Sox a good six innings. I am a little suspicious of reports of Cooper’s high enthusiasm after his bullpen sessions. I recall similar remarks from Coop in 2006 as Contreras recovered from injuries in late spring. But Contreras never established the form he had in April and May that year. Let’s hope the script is different this time around.

As for Uribe, I’ll take the defensive stability he’s offering at third base. More playing time also seems to be giving him a little better confidence at the plate. You gotta love a guy who does what’s he’s asked, sits most of the season after losing his starting job at 2B, listens to endless trade rumors, and then comes in and provides crucial stability.

by VAChisox on Aug 9, 2008 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Your last post can easily be summed up

Uribe=grinder.

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've got big respect for the way Juan has gone about this season

He’s gone Wayne Jarvis all over this season

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

So much for the demise of Buerhle

He’s been fantastic at home this year, plain and simple. I believe he’s tied for the AL lead in QS now, so its been kind of boom or bust. And what can you say about Q, AGAIN. That trade alone should get Kenny exec of the year. The Sox beat a good pitcher last night.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Pneumonia?

Fairly rare to die of that nowadays. Not a great way to go, feel bad for the guy. Can’t say I found him entertaining but still, a human being is a human being funny or not.

Bloggin'

http://bierjournal.blogspot.com/

by Six Pack on Aug 9, 2008 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

only rare to die of when you're that young

took my grandma back in february

"as much as i hate dj i don't want him to get molested"- BuehrleMan

by U-God on Aug 9, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBwVlsa7_gs>

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wait....the Bernie Mac?

Dude was way funnier as the vulgar guy in the Kings of Comedy than that stupid sitcom he had. I used to work at a movie theater years back, he dropped a 100$ tip to the dude that gave him his popcorn.

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes I am much sadder today

Big fan of Bernie. A true south side Chicagoan and die hard sox fan who grew up taking the bus to games as a kid. I enjoyed his comedy, his show and will miss him. One of the first comedians to bring down the house on Def Comedy Jam.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I watched a rerun last week

that featured one Jon Garland playing poker with the boys at his house.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im saddened as well

Die Hard Sox Fan.

Hopefully he’ll be watching from Heaven when they win it all this year.

Angels in the Outfield 2?

by Option27 on Aug 9, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was kinda expecting it actually, he had been in the news for weeks and things werent sounding good.

His stand up was pretty good but didnt like the show much.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

i disagree that carrasco couldn't get anything over the plate

didn’t you post a snapshot of the pitch locations to youkilis? the 2nd and 3rd pitches looked like strikes. wegner was making him throw it through a teacup!

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 9, 2008 8:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Griffey, Anyone?

I’m not looking to do the Dennis Green joke, but doesn’t it look like Griffey is who we thought he is? And by “we,” I mean “those of us who were afraid he didn’t have enough left to meaningfully contribute.” I don’t want to bury the guy and I recognize the danger of tiny sample sizes, but, really, has he shown us anything? Can you recall any hard hit balls? Any really good at bats? Anytime when his fabled “instincts” allowed him to be even adequate in the field?

According to THT, his line-drive percentage is 33% with us so that’s a source of optimism, I guess but I hesitate to put any confidence in stats with a such a small sample. To me, Griffey looks old, stiff and his bat looks slow. I don’t see how he does any damage unless a pitcher makes one hell of a mistake.

(Now, hopefully I’ve laid enough of a reverse jinx that the Kid can break out tonight.)

by Landfill on Aug 9, 2008 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Cowley.

“Gordon Beckham isn’t the lone figure in this, standing defiantly to test the system. But the All-America shortstop from the University of Georgia is the only first-round draft pick who has to deal with the White Sox, who seem poised to let the signing deadline of midnight next Friday come and pass without blinking.”

Right. Because all the other teams (7 of the top 10 picks have not yet been signed) in this situation are telling their players and the media “don’t worry, we’re holding firm now, but we’ll cave when the time comes, don’t worry.”

What an unbelievable fucking jagoff this guy has turned out to be. Seriously, he’s about 2 rungs from the top of the ladder that ends with Jay Marriotti.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 9, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

do you think he'll sign then?

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 9, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

and then he'll

go straight into the farm system and start playing?

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 9, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep.

probably will get a rookie ball debut, but maybe they’ll stick him in Kanny. he’s only going to get a couple weeks in since the minors end their season around the first of september.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see him starting in Kanny. Hell Brent Morel hit everything he saw at Rookie Ball, though not hard.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

how quickly can young players move up through the farms

if they show enough talent?

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 9, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would say it's rare to see someone go through more than two levels in a season

but we’ll have to wait for ‘09 to see what happens.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

also

college players typically move more quickly than high school players. that may go without saying but you’re a n00b.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Elite talents can reach the Bigs in a year or so.

Frank for example was drafted in 89 and was playing with the Sox by mid 1990.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

But those were much different times I should add and he started playing soon after being drafted.

He played 72 games total in ‘89 and 109 games with Bham in ‘90.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I have no idea.

But I have heard nothing to indicate that there has been anything particularly contentious in the negotiations, there are 6 other teams in the exact same situation, and Cowley’s basis for relative pessimism vis-a-vis them is fact that “the White Sox seem poised to let the signing deadline of midnight next Friday come and pass without blinking.” Golly, what a novel concept—actually making the other side think you have an alternative but to buy entirely into their position.

If this were the first time we’d seen this from Cowley, it’d be annoying but tolerable, but he seems absolutely intent on spinning everything in the most negative, sensationalist manner possible.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 9, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding.

Just ugh.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

minnesota is incredible

over the last 5 years they were first in the league in fewest BB allowed 3 times and second twice.

in ‘06 they allowed 73 fewer walks than the second place team.
in ‘05 they allowed 65 fewer walks than the second place team.

of course their ‘05 numbers were certainly helped by the insanely remarkable (remarkably insane?) season by carlos silva. i always thought his feat of pitching 188.3 innings and walking only 9 didn’t get enough pub.

they are definitely doing something right with their pitching over there.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 9, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

and so far in '08

they have 39 fewer walks than cleveland who is in second.
and cleveland has 4 fewer than the white sox, but the sox have played 1 more game.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 9, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

What baffles

me about the Twins is that they have dominated the AL Central, yes, but come playoff time, they suck. At least the Tigers, Indians, and Sox have pushed it to the World Series. The Twins, I believe, made it to one ALCS, only to lose big. Any thoughts as to why they don’t do well in the playoffs?

by VAChisox on Aug 9, 2008 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good read.

The stuff about their pitching staff is … disheartening (from the standpoint of a Sox fan). This team looks poised to be good for quite awhile.

by The Actual El Guapo on Aug 9, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I bought a URIBE shirt yesterday

OMG HEZ SOO SQUISHY!

Property of: PAUL KONERKO Track and Field Academy & Steakhouse

by thecip on Aug 9, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

i want a uribe plush doll

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Property of: PAUL KONERKO Track and Field Academy & Steakhouse

by thecip on Aug 9, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

congrats to hoodlight

on being top of the table. does leeds look like they have a chance at promotion?

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 9, 2008 11:34 AM CDT reply actions  

haha

well considering last season we had to start with 15 point deduction on everyone else, i reckon we might have a chance!!

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 9, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty good bullpen option for Kenny...
Rays designated RHP Al Reyes for assignment.
The move makes room for Chad Bradford. Reyes, who picked up 26 saves for the Rays last year, has been having difficulty with shoulder problems throughout 2008, though his 4.37 ERA in 22 2/3 innings wasn’t so bad. There will likely be plenty of interest in him if he becomes a free agent, and some team may trade for him before then.

He’s a little nutty but then again, so if Dotel. I doubt there will be any relievers available better than this guy.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Reyes's contract isn't bad either...

He is earning $2.3 million this year and he is a free agent after the season. So by my math - which could easily be wrong - a team acquiring Reyes would only owe him the prorated portion of his salary which would be $667,000. So even if the Rays don’t pick up any salary to move him, he wouldn’t be very expensive anyways. If Reyes’s shoulder is healthy, he seems like he would be the right-hander that Kenny has been looking for to help out until Linebrink is back at the end of the month.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

i did a quick check on his pfx player cards

he’s lost about an mph on his fastball this year and according to THT, his K rate has dropped from 10+ per nine to ~7 per.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 1 MPH is probably due to his shoulder issues...

but that doesn’t sound all that bad.

Also, he has 19 strikeouts in only 22.2 innings this season so that could still be a small sample size.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i'd give him a go in AAA anyway

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Reyes will easily get a MLB job...

and I doubt that he doesn’t get traded for within the next few days.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

When a player is DFA'ed...

can the team who cut the player trade him to any team or only whichever team claims the player first?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

it’s past august 1. has to pass through waivers to be traded to any team just like any other player. which he won’t pass through.

by larry on Aug 9, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

How does the waiver order work?

Is it worst A.L. record to best A.L. record gets waiver claim priority and then it goes to worst N.L. record to best N.L. record, since Reyes was with an A.L. team?

And then do teams that have already made successful claims drop down to the bottom of the priority list?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

you sure Larry?

I believe league does matter

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I always thought it did too.

Hard to find any information on it.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It sounds like league DOES matter...

From Wikipedia:

Waivers

Any player under contract may be placed on waivers at any time. If a player is waived, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims the player from waivers, the team with the weakest record in the player’s league gets preference. If no team in the player’s league claims him, the claiming team with the weakest record in the other league gets preference. In the first month of the season, preference is determined using the previous year’s standings.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

What happens if there are multiple claims? The team with the worst record in the same league gets precedent. If nobody in the same league makes a claim this same rule reverts to the opposite league; the team with the worst record has first dibs, so to speak. For the first month of the season, the previous year’s W-L records are used to gauge these dibs. After that, current season records come into play.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

waiver claims are the one thing left where league matters.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 9, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

So for the White Sox to get Al Reyes...

the rest of the division / Wild Card contenders in the A.L. with worse records than the White Sox would have to claim Reyes first. That leaves…

1.) Tigers
2.) Blue Jays
3.) Rangers
4.) Yankees
5.) Twins
6.) White Sox

... and the Rangers, Blue Jays, and Tigers probably realize that their shot at the Wild Card is slim. So if the Twins and Yankees pass on Reyes the White Sox have a realistic shot at him, no?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Sox have two open spots on their 40-man roster...

You have to think that Kenny is waiting for a decent waiver claim to arise.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good game last night.

The only blight was the familiar sinking feeling when I saw Dotel come out of the pen. Otherwise, a rare win against the Red Sox.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 9, 2008 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

KG jr is looking somewhat like a blight so far.

at least he wasn’t in the outfield.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 9, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is true.

Watching him bat, I can’t see how he put up decent numbers in the National League. He looks like he’s doing everything in slow motion.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 9, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's expected stuff though

He hit one deep flyball that would have been a home run earlier in his career. He’s old, has a big butt, and can’t play defense. But, I think the trade may have worked do get a little fire going under Konerko.

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of which...

forgive me if this is more stupid shit from my keyboard, but who is calling for pitches in that situation—is it the usual AJ gets the sign from the dugout and Dotel can shake it off if he doesn’t like what AJ puts down? I was just really frustrated by the decision to throw a breaking ball when, on the previous two pitches, Pedroia was having trouble catching up to the fastball.

by CWSKeith on Aug 9, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty sure AJ calls his own game

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't get this Jer

I know you were against this signing but Dotel has more than paid his way this year. His blowups can be fantastic but he a + to the bullpen.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

he is a + to the bullpen

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those blowups...

tend to come at the worst times, don’t they? If the Sox are going to continue to use him in high-leverage situations (especially now that Linebrink is out of the picture), they can’t afford to have him completely melting down once every 4-5 appearances.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 9, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see what I see.

Meltdowns isn’t something new for Dotel, nor is it rare. When you strike out as many batters as Dotel does, you shouldn’t have a RA above 4.

But I’ll be the first to admit that, aside from Jenks, the Sox don’t have too many better options. I suppose I’ll just have to reconcile myself to the fact that the late innings will be an adventure.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 9, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking at Dotel's game log...

during the time I was out of the loop, I see back-to-back games against the Cubs where he pitched like crap, and a handful of appearances against the powerhouse offenses of Oakland, Kansas City, and Cleveland. Unless you’re referring to something else that I’m missing.

The guy is fine if the game doesn’t mean much. Put him in front of 40,000 screaming fans when the team is a half-game up in the standings… not so much.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 9, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

you just crack me up jerry.

we’ll be sure to get one of the, what, four set up men who never have any of the problems you’re talking about.

by larry on Aug 9, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know I am not insane...

but I have seen Dotel mow down three batters in order in late innings quite a few times this season when the Sox only had a small lead.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure...

Like I said, put him up against the A’s or the Royals (and the attendant mediocre crowd), and he’s just fine.

It’s not just the game situation. It’s the whole atmosphere.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 9, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Given the lack of options to put in high leverage situations

With Linebrink out, there isn’t really other choices. I’d rather see Dotel in those situations than Boone, or Thorton.

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 9, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about the 26th July against the Tigers

when the Sox won 7-6? he pitched the Sox out of a right mess there

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 9, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He seems to do better when he starts an inning

rather than comes in with men on. But who the hell doesn’t?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 9, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

A win is a win, whether it is the A's, Royals, or a "powerhouse" team like the Red Sux

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Aug 11, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

"If the Sox are going to continue to use him in high-leverage situations"

That sort of comes with being a late inning setup guy though, no?

He’s not going to be a mop up guy ya know…

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 9, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

After seeing what guys like...

Aardsma
Bukvich
Day
Haeger
Masset
Myers
Prinz
Sisco

... did last season, I’m not going to complain about a good reliever’s performance in a game that the Sox ended up winning anyways. When Dotel gives up a 3-run shot which causes the Sox to lose a game, then I will be pissed. Either way, he has been a good reliever for the Sox.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

For those who were a little dismayed with the Cowley report, I emailed him:

Me: Don’t you think a sentence explaining that it is absolutely expected that the White Sox would represent their willingness to let Beckham return for his senior season as strongly as possible? The negotiations for college juniors largely hinge upon the leverage they maintain thanks to their ability to return to school. The only way to counter is to demonstrate that you are very willing to allow that to happen. Put another way, how do KW’s quotes differ from anyone else’s in a similar situation? I’m led to believe from the way you wrote this that this may in fact be more than gamesmanship (“dangerous game” etc.), but from what I know about the long history of the draft is that everyone uses their words this way and then an agreement is eventually reached. For a reader who lacks the context I do (and that’s probably the vast majority considering my huge baseball obsession), they’re going to come away with the impression that something bad is at least somewhat possible if not likely. wtf?

Him: Of course it’s gamesmanship, but the ultimate point of the story was point out that Beckham could have put himself on the fast track – especially with Josh Fields regressing at third base – to the majors. Is it one-sided from the Sox point of view? That’s what happens when the agent doesn’t return a call.

further updates as events warrant

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by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone think that what Cowley stated was the point of the article

actually came off as the point?

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by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

does anyone think that they should read joe cowley's articles?

this guy provides nothing in them. his twitter contains any actual info he gets.

by larry on Aug 9, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another reason I would further question Cowley's "insiderness"...

is that he thinks Fields’ regression would have anything to do with Beckham’s fast track to the majors. Does anyone actually think that the Sox would try Beckham at 3B? He seems like he is destined for 2B, with SS only a possibility if Ramirez sucks there.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Sox want to move Ramirez over to SS once Cabrera leaves via free agency...

and Kenny already traded away Richar. Also, Getz will likely be a backup utility guy. Second base seems to be the main hole for the White Sox in the near future, not 3B. Not that 2B is tough to fill but Beckham seems to make the most sense there.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think Becks can swing it there Lar?

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Aug 9, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even though Ozzie doesn't seem to like him...

I don’t think that Kenny is ready to give up on Fields. I still expect him to be the Sox starting 3B next season.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

that has little to do with what we're talking about.

beckham will play SS in the minors, at least to start. where he ends up in the majors won’t be determined for years.

by larry on Aug 9, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at Uribe as an example

If you can play middle IF, you can play 3rd. A-Rod didn’t do too badly making that switch, either. If he hits, it might work.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 9, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

the defense isn't a concern

it’s the offense

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by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that was the case, Fields would be in today

and each day henceforth. Defense was a big concern until recently.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Aug 9, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Hudson was playing 2b next year?

lol

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Id love me some ODog!

Along with Mudkips.

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

How certain

is it that Cabrera won’t resign with the Sox? Do the Sox not want him back? Does he not want to return? If the Sox go deep this year, would that change minds?

by VAChisox on Aug 9, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Sox won't really want him back...

and he’ll want a big payday. This is probably his last chance at a big contract, so he’s likely to reject arbitration.

There will be a few contending teams who could use a decent starting shortstop in 2009.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Aug 9, 2008 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

Cowley has cemented himself as a hack. Though the AJ challenge was still very funny.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Aug 9, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

where did he pull that shit out of

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was at the game last night

Great game. Great pitching from Buehrle, the O producing some runs against a good pitcher, obligatory bullpen drama, a Q-Bomb, not an F-Bomb, a Jenks save, and a White Sox win!

Coffee is for closers.

by vince_ on Aug 9, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Man, this Cubs game is enjoyable...

Zambrano is getting tittied. Home Run Derby. Even Zambrano hit one.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions  

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 9, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zambrano is done

He got lit the fuck uuuuup

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by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Jesus, he got fucking hammered...

9 ER on 10 hits and a walk in 4.1 IP. He gave up 4 bombs.

That might be his worst start ever.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

His ERA went up almost a half a run in this outing.

2.76 to 3.22.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

is it time to drill edmonds yet?

his bat flip yesterday was quite bold.

fucking fernando vina, when asked about it on baseball tonight, said he was sure edmonds would admit he shouldn’t have done it but he just did it because he loves the game!? today i read edmonds response was that he flipped his bat like that because of all the pine tar.

vina…fail.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 9, 2008 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

i've been surprised by singly

he can really put sentences together, which you’d never know from listening to his work with farmio. i remember listening to him try play-by-play and not being able to follow what was happening in the game. all of his halting and the way he would emphasize the wrong words were truly infuriating.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 9, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

"And there's a ground ball...

Uribe has it…

he throws to first…

and Hunter is out.”

I can’t imagine anything more brutal than Chris “PBP-man” Singleton.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never understand all this

to me if you it a home run, then fuck it flip your bat, admire the flight of the ball, even take your cap off and salute the pitcher

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 9, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

you brits are a flashy bunch

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by colintj on Aug 9, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

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