Contreras Lost for Season, Most of Next

by The Cheat on Aug 9, 2008 10:13 PM CDT in Recaps Comment 132 comments

Jose Contreras was in top form for an inning and two-thirds Saturday night. His fastball was in the mid-90's. His forkball was dancing. He even ditched the sidearm delivery that so often gets him in trouble.

Then he had to run to cover first base.

With 2 outs in the second, Jacoby Ellsbury hit a groundball to Nick Swisher at first. Contreras took a bit of circuitous route to cover and take the flip. He stumbled as he got close to the base line, missed the flip from Swisher, and crumbled to the ground as he crossed the bag. He stayed down for a couple of minutes, and needed help to get off the field, the victim of a ruptured achilles tendon.

We have probably seen Contreras throw his last pitch in a White Sox uniform, possibly ever. With Contreras' age and the long recovery time for an injury of this type, I'd be surprised if we ever see him throw another pitch as meaningful as his last one. Contreras' career as a major leaguer might have ended in a heap just a few feet beyond first base.

For the White Sox, the obvious question is who replaces Contreras? Unfortunately, there are no easy answers, and the complicated answers are probably less than satisfactory as well. The Sox have three routes they can take to replace Contreras in the rotation:

Give the job to Carrasco -- DJ Carrasco has made two excellent extended relief outings this season, including the 4.1 innings of 1-run ball Saturday night. Unfortunately, with Scott Linebrink on the shelf, Carrasco has taken on more high-leverage work in the bullpen. Moving him to the rotation would mean extra high-leverage work for Dotel, Russell, and whomever is called upon to replace Carrasco.
Dip into the minor league well -- The Sox have already gone this route once before with dubious results. Clayton Richard showed what it looks like when you bring up an unheralded pitcher who started the season in A-ball, a lot like '06 Boone Logan, who I'll get to later. Aside from Richard, who I assume has been removed as an option following his last two lackluster performances, the only realistic options in the Sox minor leagues are Jack Egbert, who I jinxed with a mention last week, and 2007 first rounder, Aaron Poreda, whose last three starts in AA have been spectacular.
Scour the waiver wire -- Jarrod Washburn has already cleared waivers, and if Paul Byrd hasn't already, he'll easily slip through in the near future. But there's an obvious reason those two will be available; they're not very good. They'll give you consistently poor outings with a few good ones sprinkled in there just to keep you intrigued. And if the Sox have to give up actual talent, or take on actual salary, they're hardly of any interest to me.

While the Sox obviously have to replace Contreras, there's another member of the pitching staff who's overdue being replaced, Boone Logan. In his last 12 outings, he's allowed 20 runs in just, including 4 Saturday, and he's only pitched 8 innings. He's allowed 20 runs in his last 24 outs. There's little reason to keep a guy going through a stretch like that on even the worst team, let alone one trying to win a division crown.

So, assuming the Sox chose option 1 or 2, and I suggest they should, they'll need to be looking at both Egbert and Poreda either way. Whether it's Poreda getting a baptism by fire in the rotation or as a left-handed reliever, they'll need to drop to the minors to pick up two pitchers either way.

[Note by The Cheat, 08/09/08 10:04 PM CDT ]: As I wrote this entry, Buehrleman commented that 670 the Score has reported the Sox have already chosen option 3. They've traded Paulo Orlando, who sucks, and was probably one of the prospects Wilder used to skim money from the Sox, for Kansas City's Horacio Ramirez, who also sucks, but has found success by throwing junk in the strike zone out of the Kansas City pen. Also on the move, though yet to be confirmed, Boone Logan and Josh Fields appear headed to Charlotte. No word on who will be replacing them on the roster, though an infielder would figure to replace Fields; Chris Getz, anyone?

[Uptade by The Cheat, 08/09/08 11:15 PM CDT]: Dave Van Dyck confirms everything we wrote in the previous paragraph.

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bad day

jose looked good in his brief apperance tonight. I saw it mentioned in the game thread but the 5 spot is due up 9 times for the rest of the year, and I fear who is going to fill those starts. Id like to see poreda in the bullpen and one of washburn or byrd fill the rest of those starts. Cle probably wont help us, but if those guys have cleared waivers it shouldnt take too much to get a deal done.

by lod773 on Aug 9, 2008 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Carrasco is fine at #5

...but it makes Linebrink coming back healthy even more important.

MrROFL.com

by shaftr on Aug 9, 2008 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

at this point

it sounds like late august is optimistic on linebrink. Its sounds as if weve got 2 roster spots to fill right now, are we looking at 1 pitcher and 1 position player, or is ozzie going to go back to the big bullpen?

by lod773 on Aug 9, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

El Duque

...nuff said

by stooge9 on Aug 9, 2008 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

think his corpse

can be exhumed in time for thursday?

by lod773 on Aug 9, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish that pic said

FIAL

by 3E8 on Aug 9, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Would this whole recap be considered lardy then?

"You know, if you stab a man in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was his soul escaping from his body." - Mikita's Manager, Glen

by omnipotent grab on Aug 9, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you have Ho-Ram now

starting printing playoff tickets

by royalsreview on Aug 9, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you have orlando now

start printing last place tickets.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Aug 10, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand why any team that already has Joey Gathright...

would want Paulo Orlando. Orlando sucks even more than Gathright.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Getz isn’t on the 40-man, so if he’s called up, who gets outrighted? Logan?

I cannot answer any more questions for you today. I has wickeds gas from drink too manys redbull.

by Marlafar on Aug 9, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No one has to be outrighted

1. there’s plenty of space
2. if there wasn’t, Contreras and Dony Lucy can be placed on the 60-day DL

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Aug 9, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL, Kenny didn't waste any time...

I hope he didn’t just acquire Horacio Ramirez because he dominated us. That sure is what it seems like.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think he did because he came dirt cheaply...

Paulo Orlando is a shitty ballplaya.

by Craig Grebeck on Aug 9, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a good deal just because Kenny didn't give up anything of any value...

Paulo Orlando would have to work hard to become the next Pablo Ozuna. I guess the Royals need a pinch-runner.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way, Cheat...

Paul Byrd has indeed cleared waivers.

So, the back end of the Yankees’ rotation working this weekend against the Angels in Anaheim will be Ian Kennedy tomorrow night and Dan Giese on Saturday – unless the Yankees have interest in Cleveland’s Paul Byrd, who has cleared waivers.

Greg Maddux has also cleared waivers but it doesn’t sound like he would accept any trade which moves him away from the West Coast.

Also, Rotoworld.com thinks that the Sox will keep Horacio Ramirez as a reliever to replace Boone Logan…

White Sox acquired LHP Horacio Ramirez from the Royals for outfielder Paulo Orlando.
It looks like Boone Logan will be sent down now. Ramirez had a 2.59 ERA in 24 1/3 innings out of the pen since joining the Royals. He’s spent the vast majority of his career as a starter, but it seems unlikely that he’ll get a chance to replace Jose Conteras in the White Sox rotation. He makes more sense as a reliever.

Maybe the Sox are sticking with Carrasco as the fifth starter and the Ramirez move was just to replace an awful Boone Logan. There are still other pitchers out there to be had—Jarrod Washburn, Al Reyes, and even Sweaty Freddy.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Official Press Release...

“Royals acquire outfielder Orlando from White Sox for Horacio Ramirez”

KANSAS CITY—The Kansas City Royals have traded left-handed pitcher Horacio Ramirez to the Chicago White Sox for outfielder Paulo Orlando.
Left-handed pitcher Josh Newman will be recalled from Triple-A Omaha tomorrow and will be in uniform, wearing No. 63. Orlando will be assigned to the High Class A Wilmington roster. With the moves, the Royals 40-man roster now stands at 39.

Orlando, 22, is a 6-foot-3, 185-pound center fielder from Sao Paulo, Brazil. The right-handed hitter and thrower has spent the entire 2008 season with High Class A Winston-Salem in the Carolina League, hitting .264 (118-for-447) with 15 doubles, 12 triples, nine home runs, 42 RBIs and 73 runs scored. He has stolen 28 bases in 37 attempts.

Since signing with the White Sox as a non-drafted free agent on Jan. 21, 2005, Orlando has stolen 77 bases in a little over two and a half seasons of professional baseball. He entered the 2008 season ranked by Baseball America as the Fastest Baserunner and Best Defensive Outfielder in the White Sox organization.

Ramirez was signed by the Royals as a Minor League free agent on May 21. He was 1-1 with a 2.59 ERA in 15 relief appearances.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Another article...

“White Sox acquire Horacio Ramirez
Chicago sends Minor League outfielder to Kansas City”

It is likely the White Sox will use Ramirez in the rotation, but with the planned demotion of reliever Boone Logan coming Sunday, they may decide to use him out of the bullpen and call up one of their Minor League starters.
In six Major League seasons with Atlanta (2003-06), Seattle (‘07) and the Royals (‘08), Ramirez has gone 39-30 with a 4.53 ERA in 121 games, 104 of which were for starts. His best season came as a rookie with the Braves in ‘03, when he was 12-4 with a 4.00 ERA in 29 starts.

Ramirez will wear No. 49 with the White Sox.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carrasco is the favorite to start...

Link:

D.J. Carrasco filled in well for Contreras, giving up one run and three hits in 4 1/3 innings. Guillen said Carrasco is the favorite to take Contreras’ spot in the rotation.

White Sox OF Ken Griffey Jr. sat out Saturday’s game with general soreness.

Haha, rotting corpse indeed.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

told you three games in a row was too much.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's starting to look like junior could just sit out every day with general suckiness.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 10, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So Carrasco will replace Contreras in the rotation...

Horacio Ramirez replaces Boone Logan.

Chris Getz probably replaces Josh Fields.

Maybe recently DFA’ed Rays reliever Al Reyes replaces Jose Contreras when he is placed on the D.L.? He then replaces Carrasco’s role in the bullpen?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 9, 2008 11:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Or it could be MacDougal!!!

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is truly the saddest day ever...

First Contreras and now Orlando…

Hudson, that is.

Orlando Hudson could miss the rest of the year with a dislocated left wrist suffered Saturday against the Braves.
It’d be a major blow to Arizona’s hopes. “(It’s) not great, dislocation, fracture of a bone in his wrist, and we’re not 100 percent sure whether he has to have surgery,” manager Bob Melvin said. “Probably a pretty good chance, but we will know in the morning. If he has the surgery, he’s out for the rest of the year, and if he doesn’t, there’s still a chance he could be out for the rest of the year.” The Diamondbacks figure to make Augie Ojeda their primary second baseman, with Chris Burke backing him up. They could also attempt to trade for someone who has cleared waivers. Brian Roberts and Mark Ellis probably wouldn’t, but lesser options like Tadahito Iguchi, Ronnie Belliard and Mark Loretta could be available.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

say it ain't so SSH! say it ain't so!

it’s just not right!

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One thought before I retire for the night, and to break up SSH's colin-like string

Ozzie should order Ramirez to throw at the Royals when they come to town, just to see what happens.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Aug 10, 2008 12:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You want some more bad news?

I saw this post at another White Sox board…

Boone’s been sent down and the reporter at the Cell on SportsNight said the word in the clubhouse is it might be Broadway up.

If true…

**pukes**

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good

I like Broadway

by 3E8 on Aug 10, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 10, 2008 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i personally am in love with his 4.68 ERA

and 160 hits in 138.1 IP

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can like him, doesnt mean hes good.

Hell Im sure someone even has a Juan Uribe jersey right now.

by JoeCoolMan24 on Aug 10, 2008 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

who doesn't love that little tubby guy?

with his gravy stained facial hair

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, well I like the White Sox...

And therefore I don’t want them to call up subpar players like Broadway.

by Craig Grebeck on Aug 10, 2008 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The replace Livan with Liriano...

Sox replace Contreras with Broadway. Seems like a fair trade…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Twins, that is.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Contreras

Well, when you’re 52 years old and still playing in the majors, the injuries are bound to catch up with you.

As for Boone, send him down, send him out, send him to Mars for all I care.

"We were the never-say-die White Sox tonight." - Nick Swisher (8/5/08)

by tailgater on Aug 10, 2008 12:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

feed him to juan

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no-ci-o-ni

clap, clap, clap-clap-clap

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Aug 10, 2008 3:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sun-Times' Chris De Luca thinks Kenny will make a push for Jarrod Washburn...

Chris De Luca wrote:

With few suitable in-house options, look for general manager Ken Williams to make a strong push for veteran left-hander Jarrod Washburn.
Washburn - a pitcher who was on the Sox’ radar before the latest Contreras injury - reportedly has cleared waivers. Washburn, who turns 34 on Wednesday, is 5-11 with a 4.76 ERA in 23 games with the Mariners, including 22 starts.

Washburn’s $10.35 million dollar salary in 2009 makes me think otherwise.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

that 0.5 games back makes me think they'll give it a whirl.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Even with Washburn's salary for next season?

I would say with certainty that Washburn would be a White Sox within days if he was a free agent after this season. But I don’t see Kenny paying a combined $20.35 million to Washburn and Contreras next season when only one of them is actually pitching for the Sox. The Mariners would have to pick up a lot of Washburn’s contract for Kenny to consider this and I doubt they are interested in doing that unless they get a good prospect or two in return.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ssh, this injury is a critical blow. and KW isn't so stupid as to not know it. and neither is JR.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed, it just seems like a Washburn acquisition would kill any of Kenny's plans for 2009...

Do the Sox get any money back if Contreras never pitches for the Sox again? Is there any sort of player insurance?

You Maddux idea was still a good one. Too bad the old bastard doesn’t want to play anywhere other than the West Coast. He would be cheap both in terms of added salary and prospect(s) and more importantly, he would be gone after the season.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think the sox will have to seriously consider throwing out the best laid plans for 2009.

and they’d likely have needed to acquire a starter anyway, unless anyone has been really impressed with broadway, richard, egbert, etc. do your shopping early, i guess.

infrequently pitcher contracts are insured. considering contreras’ history, the cost likely would have been prohibitive.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would you give up Lance Broadway for Jarrod Washburn right now?

I wonder what Washburn would cost in terms of talent…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he should cost very little.

but considering what those idiots were apparently asking of the yankees, who knows. the mariners are a bunch of dopes.

at this point, the sox should consider any request that doesn’t include fields or poreda. it’s not like anyone in the system is that great. this is the clear situation where the marginal utility of a marginal improvement could be very, very high.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you...

but man, that 2009 salary is going to be a killer.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not if they make the post season.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

can we just bring up poreda and see what we can get out of him?

or maybe even sign freddy….i mean then you don’t have to worry about huge salary killers…

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyone else think Jim should start writing Jose's eulogy?

"as much as i hate dj i don't want him to get molested"- BuehrleMan

by U-God on Aug 10, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Chris Getz called up, per Jesse Rogers on WSCR 670 "The Score"...

Getz is replacing Josh Fields. JRE is happy. ; )

Horacio Ramirez already replaced Boone Logan.

There is one more move to be made—whomever is replacing Jose Contreras.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 9:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

gonna need to be a guy who can go long.

the broadway rumor makes sense. as does egbert.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How ironic is this Cubs board thread?

Link.

The bastards cursed us.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

you'd think they's be worried about their own post season chances

without speculating about ours

Sox fan from England, marching on together

by hoodlight on Aug 10, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that

It was maddening to read them shitting on our outfield, but then I remembered they are cubs fans and havent won anything of consequence in the last hundred years.

by lod773 on Aug 10, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I should have known better

than to click on that link

by lod773 on Aug 10, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait a second

I thought they “didn’t care about the sox”

by 815Sox on Aug 10, 2008 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

as a left coast guy i've been watching washburn for years...

...he was used up a long time ago but now he’s throwing the split finger w/ some effectiveness but clearly he is a 5th starter in his waning days

by RoyEgan on Aug 10, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If Washburn was a free agent after this season...

the move would make some sense. Washburn has been pretty good since May 25th (3.44 ERA in 81 innings). But Kenny has $10.35 million reasons not to acquire him. I don’t see it happening.

But I also don’t think that the Sox are going to stay on top of the Twins with Carrasco, Broadway, or any other bum they call up to replace Contreras.

Anyone think Kenny would reverse the Cabrera or Swisher trade right about now if he could?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cabrera...maybe

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 10, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember Guys

Ozzies wants “mans” on the field

by 815Sox on Aug 10, 2008 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

it's broadway and getz

Sox call up Broadway, Getz

Mark Gonzales, 9:56 a.m.

Pitcher Lance Broadway and infielder Chris Getz were promoted from Triple-A Charlotte.

BOSTON
Drew rf
Pedroia 2b
Ortiz dh
Youkilis 1b
Lowell 3b
Bay lf
Ellsbury cf
Varitek c
Cora ss
Buchholz p

WHITE SOX
Cabrera ss
Pierzynski c
Quentin lf
Dye rf
Thome dh
Konerko 1b
Swisher cf
Ramirez 2b
Uribe 3b
Floyd p

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Now I wonder who the starter will be for now -- Carrasco or Broadway?

Broadway is going to get rocked. Hopefully he is just going to fill Magic Masset’s role of bullpen jizz-mopper.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And with the Getz addition, I believe the Sox 40-man roster is now full.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not for long.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, whichever prospect or prospects gets traded for a guy like Washburn...

will free up a space. Wise could be easily DFA’ed at this point as well. We don’t need six outfielders.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was thinking more of contreras.

and that’s seven outfielders if you count getz.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doh, dat's right.

Contreras to the D.L. frees up a spot on the 40-man roster.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

isn't that always the way?

contreras looked back in form for the sliver of a game he pitched last night before going down with the potential career-ender. if he could have at least been terrible before he got hurt yesterday we could all be more optimistic that whichever clown replaces him could be that ineffective. it’s getting to the point where the sox are really gonna need to catch lightning in a bottle from some unexpected source. that or our good players are gonna have to be clicking in unison. one things seems clear, we cannot sustain another injury from a starter/everyday player.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 10, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the sox already crossed the can't sustain another injury threshold.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm gonna hold out hope for the aforementioned lightning in a bottle.

but with a farm system like this, there’s no way lightning strikes twice. i do think that broadway is a questionable choice for this callup though, just because he hasn’t even shown stretches of efficacy since april. his numbers in aaa are fugly. he seems to be as bad an option as we have down there.

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 10, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's a five day band-aid. no long man available for the next couple days. if it had been egbert's turn at charlotte, he'd be here. haeger's, him.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

aha. it's about his rotation spot. he's just here because he's rested?

Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don't want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I'm walking, and I'll cut your fucking Jacobs off.

by MarketMaker on Aug 10, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yup. he was scheduled for today. haeger pitched yesterday and egbert would be on three days rest. calendar roulette.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well i guess we can hope

he repeats his last years performance

by Jbasic89 on Aug 10, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

man i was really hoping

Poreda would get a chance

by Jbasic89 on Aug 10, 2008 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i prefer ramirez at this point.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seems like he's here to replace Logan though.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

right?

what, was someone honestly suggesting poreda should be starting in the big leagues?

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

christ. i guess they were.

uh, no fucking way.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I was going a little too far

by Jbasic89 on Aug 10, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yah. he's not ready to start. second LOOGY, sure. though i'm not sure he's a better option than ramirez in such a role.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what is poreda's timetable for rotation?

‘09, ‘10?

by The Scoper on Aug 10, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well Poreda's last three starts have been pretty good

Date OPP W L ERA SV IP H ER BB SO
Jul 29 @WTN 1 0 2.57 0 7.0 5 2 2 3
Aug 03 CHA 0 0 0.00 0 7.0 4 0 0 7
Aug 08 MON 0 1 2.57 0 7.0 5 2 0 10

by Jbasic89 on Aug 10, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I bet the Sox don't want to start up his clock yet.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

or have him get brutalized.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Washburn...

Like you said…

I guess if the Sox know that Contreras is out for a year and will miss most of next season or perhaps never pitch for the Sox again, they need another starter for now and next season anyways. Maybe Washburn does make some sense. And $10 million isn’t exactly expensive for an average starting pitcher these days.

2009 rotation?

Buehrle
Vazquez
Danks
Floyd
Washburn

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope.

look. i don’t like washburn. i’m sure i said some unflattering things about him around the trade deadline. but he’s serviceable as a 4/5. and that’s what the sox desperately need now. as for next year, the sox probably could have gotten someone about as good/better for less money, probably with an eye towards having someone like richard or egbert or poreda taking over later in the year, if need be. but it’s effectively a one year contract for 2009. now, on the sox team, a lot of that money would have been earmarked for something else. but one year deals are rarely bad.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

seems to me that if contreras comes back next year, it would be in a bullpen role.

but that’s a discussion for next june.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well i guess i agree with you now...

but i still say one start why the fuck not

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

who says it will be one start?

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ahh i was referring to poreda....

see what he can do…if he gets lit up…we know for sure he’s not ready…how long will it be before dj carrasco starts serving up taters dude

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i know what you were referring to. this isn't the time to be playing with unknown commodities.

and carrasco hasn’t in 21 innings.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh alright...yeah i get what you're saying

my optimistic side is taking over right now

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why so bad after the break?

The White Sox are a combined 33-39 after the break through Aug. 10 the last three years.

by Rick B on Aug 10, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

well i'd blame the injury bug this year

this is when we could have used some of the farm that we traded away

by Jbasic89 on Aug 10, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

D.J. Carrasco to the rotation, Lance Broadway to the bullpen, per WSCR 670 "The Score".

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

well, yeah.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really think we should make a push for Freddy now

by Jbasic89 on Aug 10, 2008 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Washburn isn't the best option but is Freddy any better?

Garcia would probably have to make two or three rehab starts at Charlotte before the Sox could even use him.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

freddy and his fastball look like a horseshit option.

plus, this isn’t the time to be messing around with unknown commodities.

and washburn is the best option. then byrd. and then nothing. and those guys may be better options than carrasco simply because they’re actually stretched out already.

if the sox can’t get those two guys, they should just stick with carrasco and find some (more) relief help on the wire.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with you on that front....i still think it wouldn't hurt anything to give poreda a shot before rosters expand

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes. it would. quit looking at just box scores. he doesn't have the pitches to survive against a big league lineup multiple times.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok lare i'm sold

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't feel like scrolling through comments again...

who would you want more…washburn or byrd….imo i’d go with washburn i don’t think byrd can keep up his dominance from his past four starts

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it sounds like you've read some recent scouting reports

or something?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 10, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not really...just read random stuff...

watching them pitch…being a pitcher and having studied stuff about pitching all summer…even though byrd has changed his delivery which has really helped him out a lot…his lack of velocity and lack to establish an effective third pitch on a consistent basis will be his downfall

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this was to larry re: poreda

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 10, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well la dee da colin

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

someone having difficulty with nesting

yes. he still doesn’t have a legit changeup. slider has improved, especially over the last couple months in b-ham.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Men are hunters, not nesters

/insert lame Seinfeldism here

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Aug 10, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so...

when he’s with coop next month…he can get his changeup straightened out and other shit…so if he doesn’t pan out as a starter…is he the next easy heat then?

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think the issue is more actually throwing the pitch. a lot. repetitions are important with any "new" pitch.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

any links?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 10, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

proprietary. acquire friends in birmingham.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

colin this goes to show secretary's go a long way

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

freal

you’re still having nesting problems btw

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 10, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think it would be pretty sweet if ssh's kid and kenwo's kid had offspring together...whether you believe in nature or nurture, it wouldn’t be boring.-larry

by furby2056 on Aug 10, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ftw

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 10, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's going to be tough

last time i was there i had a Sherman-partying-in-Atlanta moment

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Aug 10, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, washburn is also a lefty.

so it’s slightly more palatable for him to have a slowish fastball.

by larry on Aug 10, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

Isn’t Buehrle a good comparison for Washburn?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

by The Cheat on Aug 10, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/27/jarrod-washburns-success-is-sustainable-and-he-should-command-a-high-price/

http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/30/the-move-washburn-campaign/

something’s wrong with USSM otherwise I would have more

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Aug 10, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I saw this just posted at SoxTalk.com...

Washburn is on the waiver wire now until 1:30 pm EST tomorrow. Buster Olney on Baseball Tonight just reported from Peter Gammons that the Sox may put a claim in on him.

I thought Washburn already cleared waivers.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Aug 10, 2008 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs