Recap.

and im pissed i couldn't use my newest orca fails gif

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 1, 2008 2:51 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

It's comedic.

We cannot have a 1-2-3 9th.

We simply cannot.

Bobby somehow sports a sub-3.0 ERA and a good save % despite never ever making them look easy.

Sigh. .5 game lead still. Hooray for teensy tiny favors. Our run differential’s gone to shit this weekend.

by Pander on Sep 1, 2008 3:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

he's no todd jones

at least he gets it done. if bobby grows a steel worker’s mustache though….

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 1, 2008 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade Jenks in the offseason...

Dude can’t strike anyone out and his saves are definitely looking like Todd Jones’ saves. Trade him in the offseason while he still has a lot of value.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He probably won't have any value

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 1, 2008 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He still has a lot of trade value...

but not for much longer with the lack of strikeouts and awful looking saves.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which is why he doesn't have trade value...

It’s well known around the league he’s lost velocity and the ability to strike guys out.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 1, 2008 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why wait?

Cur him off now. Give the 9th to Booner.

You guys are nuts. Do you know that? Nuts. The Mets would KILL their own children for Jenks right now. So would half a dozen other teams (can you say “Rays” or “Red Sox” or “Cardinals” or “Phillies”?).

Fer Chrissakes. It is this level of discourse that makes it tough for even a lardy sort like me to continue to read. I’d guess Joe Nathan is now being offered up to the Gods for blowing a game this last weekend, too. And when Mo Rivera blows 2 saves in a row, I guess the Spanks want to dump him, too.

90% save success rate = epic fail. What a joke. Can’t strike guys out? Remember in ‘06, when he blew saves left and right down the stretch? How did he follow it up last year (since he obviously has been on the decline)? By setting a record for most consecutive batters retired (41) and another All-Star appearance. This year? ERA of 1.82. (that has gone DOWN every year since ’06). WHIP of 1.15 (who’s better on our team right now? Thornton and Tabasco – that’s it).

Again, fer Chrissakes.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think it's a ridiculous idea...

to trade Jenks in the offseason. Declining velocity = declining strikeouts. Jenks is due for a lot of money soon. Do you think he is worth $10 million a year? I don’t. Not if the fastball and K/9 continue to lower.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The fact he'll be making a lot of money soon lowers his value

I do agree it would be good to trade him in the offseason. Maybe they could get a catching prospect and a 3B from someone (Texas?). The Sox wll have holes to fill in CF, 2B, 3B next year and then RF and 1B the year after that. If they can trade Jenks for multiple position players they need to strongly consider doing it.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 1, 2008 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trading Jenks to Texas for a catcher prospect...

Excellent idea. The Rangers have:

Max Ramirez
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Taylor Teagarden

The Rangers definitely won’t keep all three of them and will use one, maybe two of them as trade bait for pitching. As far as a 3B prospect, I don’t see the Sox getting one from Texas. I think I would still give Fields a shot at it.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And CF will be filled by Swisher again next season...

Konerko isn’t going anywhere, barring an unlikely trade, and Thome will be back for one more season because he will get his option sooner or later. Second base will definitely be a hole but 2B is usually easy to fill.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

when does he become a restricted free agent??

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 1, 2008 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

amusingly, of course, ssh is wrong.

his fastball is actually faster than it was last year. it’s okay to put some thought into things sometimes, you know, instead of talking out of your ass. of course, i’m guessing it’s over your head to actually do some research and figure out why his k rate is down.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, cuz Jenks' fastball was awful last year...

It was WAAAY down last year. But his fastball is still down from two seasons ago.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so? you're the one who said this: Declining velocity = declining strikeouts.

last year his strikeout rate was much higher. since it’s obviously not what you posit, what’s different about this year as opposed to last year? if you’re going to whine, at least whine about something with some factual basis.

and “awful fastball”, huh. only one of the top twenty-five or so in baseball. the horror, the horror.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

where did you get the velocity figures? fangraphs indicates a very slight decrease in fb velocity.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think fangraphs corrects the data for the mislabelings.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

teach me how to fish, man.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

simply paying attention to what one is watching would probably go a long way.

however, i realize that can be difficult for people who simply want to form an opinion at a given point in time and then keep repeating it ad nauseum instead of actually checking whether that opinion still holds. (see, e.g., orlando cabrera’s defense, bobby jenks’ velocity, and nick masset’s velocity)

charting it yourself is probably the best way considering no computer program can identify a pitch better than someone who is familiar with that pitcher. of course, that can be time-consuming and otherwise difficult. so use josh kalk or something. probably one of the better approximations.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks. i don't really care about the velocity as long as it doesn't fairly obviously indicate injury.

i was just curious where you were getting your numbers. getting guys out by inducing weak contact, probably using less pitches on average, is fine by me. i do wish he would (or is it could? now i’m confused) strike out more guys in a pinch, though.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

His velocity is down; his strikeouts are down considerably...

We’re not talking about someone at Joe Nathan’s or Mo’s level, and we’re certainly not talking about a guy with lots of longevity. Closers fizzle and we may be watching that happen with Jenks.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 1, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sub 2 ERA = Epic Fail

by southsideirish71 on Sep 1, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

along with his diminishing velocity since 2006

he also has a diminishing era, diminishing line drive rate, diminishing home run rate…

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fucking amazing what common wisdom distates.

I don’t usually feel disgust wen reading something, but Jesus
Christ, for some reason this nails it. “Wish he could strike out guys in a pinch.” No shit – I wonder who is able to strike out guys whenever he wants.

Maybe he is tradable in the offseason if he wants big, big dollars, but that is a baseball decision, not some knee-jerk

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fuck, typing too fast - will finish last post now

reaction to a guy not doing the waltz enough (1-2-3).

FUCK!!! THIS PISSES ME OFF!!! Guy gives up a run and still locks it down against a guy hotter than the Sun against the Sox and it’s bitch, bitch, bitch, trade him.

BBBLLLLAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"distates" a Freudian slip. Should be dictates.

Like the joke Tiger Woods told after his first Masters win.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think you misunderstood what i was saying.

what i understand larry and others to be saying is that although jenks has lost velocity, he has learned to pitch (as opposed to throw) and that maybe those two things aren’t independent of each other to a degree. my point was it that is true, i wish he would THROW occasionally to increase the likelihood of a strikeout.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Increasing ground ball rate

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

would have messed with the poetry.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Diminishing walk rate too

Cut in half since 2006

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

also would mess with poetry. there's a reason the ellipse was included. there are about seven other stats one could cite.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you Larry...amazing

who in the fuck are you going to get to close then? Nathan? Rivera? Because other than that Jenks is about as good as it gets. KROD blows way more games than jenks does. I think SSH and Grebeck are out of their minds

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 1, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think you're actually missing ssh's point.

the point isn’t that jenks isn’t an effective closer, etc. at least for now. his point was to sell high on him. this isn’t a vacuum.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but central to his point is that Jenks' is declining

When aside from K/9, every other underlying stat is improving, which kind of blows apart his argument.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm curious now seeing your expected wins added numbers

how they shake out historically re: k/9

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's rather a conundrum to me, actually, how he is doing it.

i’ve spent a decent amount of time looking at it this year and haven’t found a satisfactory theory. i was planning to wait until the offseason to actually drill down. one thing that is out of whack this season is the strand rate.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's turned into a contact pitcher

who doesn’t walk guys and doesn’t throw home runs (or fly balls for that matter).

My gut feeling watching him is his lack of strikeouts has less to do with his fastball velocity and more to do with control of his curve.

Now this is just based on my alcohol-addled memory, but the Jenks I remember in 2005/2006 mainly used his curve to strike people out, or when he did K someone with the fastball it was because batters were concerned with the curve.

From observation, it doesn’t seem like on most days he’s had that really good curve, or had quite the command of it he used to. So I wonder if batters are just sitting on the fastball, and Jenks’ other breaking stuff isn’t good enough to really fool them (but does induce a lot of ground balls).

I’m sure someone could look at Pitch FX data and see if the data matches the theory.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree with what you're saying vince

it seems he loves to use the slider and get hitters to pound it into the ground…the curve isn’t what it used to be but he’s still an effective closer…i mean look at his ERA

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Sep 1, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There is no point in trading him now

you are going to need a closer anyway. Who is going to take the job? Broadway? Carrasco? McDougal? We have seen Linebrink can’t do it and Jenks is better than either Thornton or Dotel. Just creating another hole

Kenwo4life=ratings

by KenWo4LiFe on Sep 1, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i would be concerned if, as ssh posited above, his velocity continued to decline.

however, it went down last year and has basically stabilized or marginally improved this year. i don’t have any problem with his current velocity, as it is still quite good. the lower k rate can be bothersome but he’s still quite effective. jenks is arb eligible for the next three seasons. just don’t sign him to a long term contract and you don’t have to worry about getting stuck with a pumpkin. i wouldn’t necessarily be opposed to trading him but, at this point, i don’t see anyone else in the system who would be ready to seize the role on opening day 2009. the sox have some interesting arms who might be able to step in, a la 2005 jenks, midseason 2009 or later. but this doesn’t appear to be a decision for this offseason.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Washed up"

From BP, relievers’ expected wins added (AL)

1. Fransisco Rodriguez 5.239
2. Mariano Rivera 4.939
3. Joe Nathan 4.696
4. Joakim Soria 4.364
5. Brad Ziegler 4.318
6. Bobby Jenks 4.189

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

please rank said pitchers by average fastball velocity.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

1. Joe Nathan
2. Bobby Jenks
3. Mariano Rivera
4. Joakim Soria
5. Frankie Rodriguez
6. Brad Ziegler

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

glad to see you're alive.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

michigan football is a full weekend committment

and i’m not at all depressed about the game, if you were wondering.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

good. it might be a long year, but when r-rod has his own players it's going to be a nightmare for the rest of the big 10.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

dling the game atm

and once i do i’ll figure things out a little more concretely in terms of what i expect for the rest of the season. the thought right now is that it’s hard to play football without a QB and an OL

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

those two quarterbacks that played saturday both have huge weaknesses for the system.

and you can’t run if there’s nowhere to go.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh huh.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't fuck with the big boy

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 1, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

why ssh is stuck on velocity i don't know, but ranking those same guys by k/9 you end up with...

1. k-rod 10.34
2. rivera 10.22
3. nathan 9.67
4. soria 9.16
5. jenks 5.11
6. submariner 3.97

aside from jenks and the guy with the funky motion flipping, falls in like with EWA.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jenks doesn't throw the curve much anymore

and it’s not as devastating as it used to be. He’s done well pitching to contact and keeping the ball low. His split-finger pitch is pretty good

by 3E8 on Sep 1, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he has a splitter?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's throwing something new this year that moves down and perhaps even a bit inside to righties

I’m not aware of what the pitch-f/x stuff says, but I’m pretty sure it comes in at about 89-91 MPH. I think Jenks wants to have more options. In 2005 it was basically get ahead with the fastball and drop the hammer for the K. That works when you’re touching 98-100 but when the velocity moves down a bit, it probably makes more sense to do some nifty things to your fastball.

by CWSKeith on Sep 1, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think it's new. sounds like you're describing his slider.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's the slider

i don’t know how he gets it to do the things it does, but i’m pretty sure it’s a slider. kalk classifies it as such also, fwiw.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like it to me

or a sinker

by 3E8 on Sep 1, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the latter.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if its a health thing?

Jenks has had a lot of elbow problems in the past, and the curve does put a lot of stress on the elbow. Maybe they have reduced his use of the curve as a precautionary matter to give him a longer career?

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm sure this is part of the conundrum of which larry speaks.

it’s the causation that really interests me. his velocity clearly isn’t what it was in ‘05-’06. now you and vince are positing that his hook isn’t as filthy and the command isn’t as good. i want to know how much is attributable to arm concerns (not necessarily injury, but as we’ve discussed before, his arm contains some metal), how much is due to him learning to “pitch,” and how much overlap there is (if he can pitch to contact, he saves pitches, saves arm on those pitches he may not be throwing as much, with as much oomph, or as much bite).

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

See, he's a POS

6th? Brad effin’ Ziegler is better. DFA now.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

last time i checked

bobby’s working class too, he’s white, right?

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 1, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he needs to get back on the juice

by The Scoper on Sep 1, 2008 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

tadahero go bye-bye?

released by the friars. had a rather shitty and injury filled year.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/news/2008/aug/31/padres-release-iguchi-tomko/?padres

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Just saw that...

Wouldn’t mind bringing him back for next season on a minor league deal with Alexei moving over to SS. Of course, Iguchi could be done and that double play combination would probably be pretty brutal.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is he done?

IIRC, he fills in nicely at 3rd on occasion. Is his arm/range/hitting all shot?

If the answers are yes, yes, and yes, sorry, Gooch, we’ll always have ’05.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He hasn't played any position but 2B in the US

no arm

by 3E8 on Sep 1, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So the following never hapened with the Phils?

Pat Gillick just told reporters at the Opryland Hotel that they might have an opportunity to bring back Tadahito Iguchi next season — and to play third base.

Moot if he has no arm, anyway. And I like Juan over Gooch if we need a 2B/3B utility guy.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

happened, MF it

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you know, we get it. and at least those of us who aren't that anal retentive don't care about the mistakes.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, Dad

You’ll hit the “ignore” button when I post anyway when we get one.

I am anal retentive. Just not very good at previewing.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't preview either. i figured you were as anal retentive as i was. just letting you know it's okay to not correct those. i know it's difficult not to. but, once you stop worrying about it, the difficulty goes away.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i think he's done (in america), at least as a starter.

the injuries seem to be increasing and he can’t overcome that.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paul Phillips up...

White Sox purchased the contract of catcher Paul Phillips from Triple-A Charlotte.
Let go by the Royals in December, Phillips has spent the whole season at Triple-A, hitting just .269/.317/.352 in 73 games. He’ll serve as the White Sox’s third catcher and will be lucky to get a handful of at-bats this month.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Also up...

Mike MacDougal
Ehren Wassermann
Jerry Owens

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=cws

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The man that almost blocked the emergence of Q

I don’t even want to think about that.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 1, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he was right about one thing. nobody on the sox roster thus far could nab those 50 bags. :-(

although to steal bases you actually do need to reach base in the first place.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And not get thrown out in the process.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

jerry owens doesn't make roster decisions.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He makes a mean grilled cheese though.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has finally ceased silently weeping.

(That was a great sig, btw.)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

we'll see how long his legs hold up.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Offense in a slump? It's time for some Jerry Owens. You don't see anyone else on that roster who can steal 50 bases, do you?

You going to renew your sponsorship larry? I dont think its necessary anymore.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

unlikely.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank God for his weak groin.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paul Phillips makes my penis soft.

Give me Cole Armstrong or give me death!

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bring it!

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you always go too far.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

She's pretty hot.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

without the long hair and choice of stage dress, there would be no "she" about it.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Flagged!

She looks like a cross between an Ent and an Orc.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 1, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

toonders...NO

lol…flagged

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Sep 1, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

linebrink activated from DL

per gonzales.

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/09/sox-call-up-was.html

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 12:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm so excited...giggles uncontrollably...

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Sep 1, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is anyone else's web security reporting the Trib blog as a dangerous site?

Just started happening today. Probably a false positive, but maybe someone slipped some malicious HTML in the comments?

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

started a couple days ago for me. and it's really annoying. thanks google.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it due to Firefox?

Seems to happen in Firefox but not in Internet Explorer.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Firefox has some kind of integrated Google web security dealie

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, happening to me too in Firefox...

You have to click “Ignore this warning” to continue on to the page.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You could at least make a photoshop recap of the game.

I mean, a picture is worth 1000 words

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We stabbed them in the ankle?

Sweet.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wolves.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They were done with Wiz?

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and swish,

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They were done with Swish long before they got to Wiz.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so who's all up now?

by Jbasic89 on Sep 1, 2008 1:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

linebrink's simulated game; owens looks to be in midseason form

September 01, 2008
Linebrink’s simulated game

By Mark Gonzales, 1:39 p.m.

CLEVELAND – White Sox reliever Scott Linebrink threw a simulated game Monday at Progressive Field and didn’t appear to have any setbacks, although his control didn’t appear extremely sharp.

Linebrink threw 29 pitches to Jerry Owens and Brian Anderson — all from the stretch position. This was the closest Linebrink has come to live competition since July 22, his last appearance before he was placed on the 15-day disabled list because of tendinitis behind his right shoulder.

Owens and Anderson watched most of the pitches while standing in the batter’s box. Owens swung at four pitches, fouling off three and hitting a grounder to second base.

Manager Ozzie Guillen watched the simulated game from behind the backstop, and pitching coach Don Cooper observed while standing behind Linebrink.

We’ll have more details later, as the clubhouse opens in about an hour.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"Owens swung at four pitches, fouling off three and hitting a grounder to second base."

ROFL, good stuff.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just as a comment on the Jenks thing

you have to remember that the sample size because of his IP is small and therefore prone to more variance. Things that even out rapidly are GB/FB and velo, the rest I’d argue require more salt.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

was just looking at his periphs from last year. he pitched extremely well. yet he was 21st in AL relievers in expected wins added. interesting...

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

probably has to do with what that measures, no

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

so maybe not the best measure to throw out as to how great jenks is this year?

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It measures his contribution this year

but I wouldn’t say its necessarily a predictive thing.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

definitely isn't

WXRL is a “what you have done” metric, rather than one with particularly outstanding predictive qualities. Same with SNLVAR.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that depends upon how you want to measure "great".

different tools tell you different things.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

9th in 2006, 29th in 2005

Obviously the 2005 number is still pretty impressive given he had half the IP of most relievers.

The stat does rely on opportunities

WX – Expected wins added over an average pitcher. WX uses win expectancy calculations to assess how relievers have changed the outcome of games. Win expectancy looks at the inning, score, and runners on base when the reliever entered the game, and determines the probability of the team winning the game from that point with an average pitcher. Then it looks at how the reliever actually did, and how that changes the probability of winning. The difference between how the reliever improved the chances of winning and how an average pitcher would is his WX.

WXRL – Expected wins added over a replacement level pitcher, adjusted for level of opposing hitters. WXRL combines the individual adjustments for replacement level (WXR) and quality of the opposing lineup (WXL) to the basic WX calculation.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Get your infernal logic out of my head!!!

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Another bit

Will is a little worried about Danks but has faith in Coop and Herm.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Help?

anyone know how to get in contact with Scott Reifert or the PR dept? I cannot find anything that works (the help box on the mlb site) or a phone number. Very annoying.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i only provided you with this information, like, three months ago. look it up.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

psh

2.5 months

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and i was looking for the game notes

couldn’t find that.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

news, press pass, game notes

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

all i can find is merkin's email

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm sure dude's got a blackberry or something. what are you trying to do, send him a ransom note?

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

no, i'm trying to set up an interview with somebody

it’s a bitch trying to find someone who matters via email. and i don’t know where to find the corporate number i guess.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 1, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a trick I've used to figure out corporate email addresses in the past

Find any real person’s white sox email address and figure out their naming scheme. Most corporate IT departments use a standard naming scheme like first initial, last name, or first name, last initial, etc. If you can find any white sox email and figure out if they have a pattern like this, you can usually guess anyone up and down the chain’s email address.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sreifert@chisox.com

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i've now told you twice how to find the corporate number. perhaps it isn't meant to be.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

brewers playoff chances may have just taken a hit.

sheets leaves game with groin injury ("tightness").

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Surprise, surprise...

Dude is always on the D.L.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

On the down low?

I always thought he was a fairly prominent pitcher in this league.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Sep 1, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hee Haw

It did seem like they never lost, well except for getting swept by the Cubs a while back and pretty much locking them in the wild card.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 1, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that means Harden is about to go down as well.

Those guys are always on the DL together.

’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk

by e-gus on Sep 1, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs