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Game #137: Gamethread #2

Headed to the 7th, Sox down 4. Checking the scoreboard, SSH has kicked three dogs and an elderly woman.

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anyone want to talk about kenny williams jr. or oney guillen on this thread, too?

i feel like we haven’t heard enough from SSH about this oh so interesting and timely topic.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

shitcock!

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, game related...

Yeah, Cliff Lee is a stud but twenty in a row retired? 2 hits? Pretty bad. The Sox offense is giving pitchers their greatest outings ever.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

20 in a row retired

is that really unheard of?? against an ace pitcher??

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 1, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah. pretty bad.

so bad your twins did the same thing at home against him.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

lolz

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rally cliff?

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

ah, firestarter.

it’s nice to see the 2008 knights in action. look sort of like the 2007 knights, though.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

macdougal looked unbelievable for half of his pitches that inning.

how much quieter was that delivery? how nice would it be for him to pitch with his head out of his ass for the rest of the season?

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 1, 2008 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

it looked different. and was effective.

whether it’s “good” will require a few more than seven pitches.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

And It’s not like he’s “under control” out there all of the sudden, but he motions appeared easier, more fluid, at times.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Sep 1, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

those pitches in which he kept his head more still/upright were really nice.

but he also threw a couple where he was sloppy.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 1, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kornerko!

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

YES, THIRD HIT!!!

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

cabrera is such a horseshit defender.

let me get my graph out of the 1998 expos to prove it.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

agree

anyone not named chuck knoblauch or clayton richard makes that throw to first

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 1, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuck this game.

Save the pen for the Angels series.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Sep 1, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

They ARE saving the pen...

Adam Rusell sucks… bad. Guy doesn’t deserve a nickname.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know who can tell a joke better than anyone else?

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 1, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

SSH2005.

oh. wait. he can’t figure out a joke.

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's you

After a Twins victory or Sox Loss – not sure which.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're the laptop.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

6 minutes later

Way to think on your feet, there.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

A quick wit is necessary for these here parts.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

D.J.?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That name will live in infamy...

I see people still use it all the time.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

So a minute ago

you were against giving nicknames to “unnotable players”… then when confronted with the fact that you’ve given 3rd-rate, 4th grade nicknames to past unnotable players, you ooze with pride because it has—according to you—gained traction with some faction of fans (presumably 13 year olds). Do I have this right?

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Sep 1, 2008 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Luis Vizcaino has been with quite a few teams in the majors and has pitched a lot of innings...

Adam Russell is AAA fodder. There is a difference.

The nickname “Nessie” will be long forgotten because he will have a long career in the minors.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Through age 25

Vizcaino had pitched just over 20 major league innings and had an ERA over 7.

Russell has an ERA of about 5 in 24 major league innings.

AIM: SouthSideCheat

by The Cheat on Sep 1, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol.

ozzie now has, like, a 19 man pitching staff to work with. and an off day. i’m thinking he can send the recent callups out there and not worry, no?

by larry on Sep 1, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, Richard started and then...

Wassermann
Logan
MacDougal
Russell

Don’t see anything wrong with that. Not one “primary” bullpen guy was used.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slam.

And they’re up by a snowman.

Pitching, defense and health.

by ballyb on Sep 1, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Told ya it was going to be a shutout.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

And it just makes you so happy to be right.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all...

As bad as the Twins are supposed to be, the Sox record is now no better than theirs.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh, the same twins

the sox were supposed to be battling for 3rd? sounds right on par to me… except tied for first which i prefer

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 1, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Many posters here thought that the Twins were supposed to fall apart...

They were using stats and such.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

that was before they won the world series tho

its a different context now

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 1, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude...

So you say:

People use stats to say something is likely to happen.
Thing does not happen.
Your conclusion: people were idiots and stats suck

Probability is complicated, but even I grasp the fact that conclusion doesn’t follow.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 1, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're still trying to work out a trade for a poster to be named later

Backup plan if the ignore button falls through.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

A box of balls will suffice.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ

by omnipotent grab on Sep 1, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have no control over how the Sox perform. No one does...

except for stanchar of course, haha.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is telling the truth considered whining?

The Sox ARE playing like crap.

Is getting mad at someone for saying that the Sox are playing like crap also being a homer then?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 1, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

His 252 posts also prevent serious discussion of Sox losses

Because he vomits out so much crap during the losses, its impossible to have a serious discussion about a Sox loss or the Sox’ poor play in a game – it either gets lost in the SSH chaff or he’ll pick up on whatever point you are trying to make and post 300 times about it.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 1, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

After getting shut out twice within a week

Is it the Sox showing a lack of adjustment at the plate, cold streak, or were dice-k and lee actually that good? I would say if it happened once, it would probably be the pitcher just dominating, but now a second time in a week, I think they probably have to change their approaches at the plate.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 1, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

dude's in hurricane alley. cut him some slack.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get that but....

they made it look so easy that I half expect every pitcher to mow through their lineup.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 1, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know where their numbers stand

but it seems like the arrow is trending downward. That can all certainly change tomorrow and I hope it does. I was more curious as to if Lee and Dice-K’s performance were a coincidence or is their lineup that weak right now. That’s what I was getting at, small sample size and all.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 1, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

trending downward just like 8 days ago trending way up?

last 7 days = .709 ops
last 14 days = .872 ops
last 28 days = .846 ops

struggling a bit over the last week, but that includes dice-k and lee.

"as long as there's, you know, sex and drugs, i can do without the rock and roll."

by Toonderstrook on Sep 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right so just coincidence then?

That’s fine, I hope it evens back out. I’m just more nervous of the bats going into hibernation for the final month. But if there was a silver lining in getting shut down tonight, they didn’t use any of their important pitchers and McDougal actually resembled a major league pitcher(fully aware of the tiny sample size and no pressure situation)

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 1, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Sox offense

The offense is the 5th highest scoring in the AL. 8th in OBP and 2nd in slugging. So, if they aren’t hitting HRs, they’ll probably look bad. But they aren’t bad. Across the year team offense is surprisingly variable (see: DET) and it wouldn’t be shocking to see a tailspin. But I don’t think that opposing pitchers have discovered a fundamental flaw in the Sox offense, so I don’t think changing approach is a solution.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 1, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

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