There is no Joy in Soxville, The Mighty Kaptain is out
We've already had a couple of tongue in cheek entries titled "Worst Game of the Season" and "The Day the White Sox Lost the Central," but if ever there was a time for hyperbolic headlines, this is it.
Everything that could go wrong did go wrong in Tuesday's double header. Paul Konerko might be lost for the season. Javier Vazquez pitched just well enough to lose, and just long enough to make a Lance Broadway start on Saturday a distinct possibility. Clayton Richard still doesn't have a second or third major league pitch, and doesn't belong on the mound starting games for a playoff contender. The Sox drop two games in a single day, scoring just 3 runs in the process. Oh, and The Twins win to pick up a game and a half in the standings. It would have been difficult for the South Side to have a worse day overall.
Sox fans have experienced a broad range of emotions in the last 5 days. From Q!s season ending injury and surgery, to a solid win against the Angels, a marathon affair on Saturday followed by a blown lead on Sunday, I was actually feeling pretty good about the Sox chances.
The White Sox had been in first or within a half game of first every day since May 16th. The Twins weren't exactly playing good baseball the last two weeks. I figured the Sox didn't exactly have to play their best baseball down the stretch to make the playoffs, slightly over .500 figured to be enough. Even my favorite postseason odds simulation was finally starting to run in the Sox favor. ELO had the Sox making the playoffs 70% of the time before Tuesday's series of unfortunate events.
I should know better than to get my hopes up. Every time I've written about feeling good about the Sox this season, they go in the tank for an extended period of time. No more positivity from me, I promise.
Recapping the Nightcap
I don't think there's much to say other than the Sox got their collective butts kicked by a better team right now. Actually, dantesox' comment, and the discussion that followed, about Brian Little and the Blue Jays being the best team in baseball right now, received a lot of play on Blue Jays sites the last couple of days. They certainly have a better pitching staff than the Sox, and now with Quentin and Konerko on the shelf their offense looks to come out on top as well. The Jays have really taken it to the Sox this year, winning all 6 meetings and holding the Sox to 3 or less in every game.
The Sox had 1 hit with runners in scoring position Tuesday (across two games), upping their season total to 3 in 6 games against the Blue Jays. 3 hits with runners in scoring position in 6 games against the Jays. Think about that. The Jays had that in the 5th inning.
There is something about dome teams from the AL East that makes the White Sox bats go flaccid. The Sox didn't manage a 2-out hit w/RISP against the Rays until their 10th meeting this season, and remember it was last season in Toronto where there Sox upped their 1-for-60-something streak against opponents bullpens.
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abandon all hope
I just wish we can hold off the Tigers for 2nd in the Central
I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life
by Hawk is God on Sep 10, 2008 12:26 AM CDT 0 recs
From a personal standpoint...
this season has been a little different for me in that going back to my pre-season expectations for the 2008 club has tended to ‘ground’ me when the times have gotten tough. I don’t know if I put an actual number on it but I’m fairly certain that — in a poll on Soxtalk — I voted for the 78-81 wins option (or thereabouts). I’m usually not one to root for the the future (talking a few years down the road), but I think I’m more excited that Kenny has rebuilt a new core of mainstays that looks pretty damn good (Quentin and Danks, mainly, but also Floyd, Ramirez and — hopefully returning to Oakland levels — Swisher). Hell, even there’s even some good stuff to talk about down on the farm, and it looks like we’ll be getting a couple of more high-end picks from Cabrera’s departure.
Talking about the rest of the season, though… yeah, things look pretty bleak. The rotation is going to have to carry the load, and someone other than Clayton Richard needs to take the ball every fifth day. I don’t know who that is, unfortunately — I’d love to see Poreda get a chance but I trust the Sox’ judgment. If they thought he could help out — even if only in a LOOGY role — he’d be up here. That being said, I still think the Sox should be in a position to make the playoffs when they head up north for the series in that POS dome — it’d be tough for me to see Minny really pull away in the next two weeks (as both Perkins and Blackburn have already past their career highs in IP, and Baker and Slowey are relatively close, although I admit that this is a real quick-and-dirty, not-completely-correct way of assessing things). All told, you’re looking at two a-tad-better-than-average teams who are battling to be first-round underdogs. And that’s not an indictment on the Sox — at this point I’d expect a first-round lost (especially without a healthy Q) but just want the Sox to get there for any added revenue they’d pull in from the one or two playoff games.
Ehh, this was too long-winded but whatever. The real thing we need to keep our eye on the rest of the way is the Sox’ team OPS+ and JRE and my corresponding bet. Will the Sox be able to stay above the 100 nexus? They’re at 105 but may move down a point because of today’s suckfest. It might be a photo finish (although I’d certainly hope not)…
by CWSKeith on Sep 10, 2008 1:05 AM CDT 0 recs
Motivation
Why is it that the Sox appear that they need some motivation? Why is it that they seem so disinterested? Isn’t winning the division a big enough carrot? Who is going to step up?
"What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' n*****s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass."
by thekever on
Sep 10, 2008 10:05 AM CDT
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chins up, boys
"Difficulties show men what they are. In case of any difficulty remember that God has pitted you against a rough antagonist that you may be a conqueror, and this cannot be without toil." — Epictetus
"The greater difficulty, the more glory in surmounting it. Skillful pilots gain their reputation from storms and tempests." — Epicurus
“I get knocked down, but I get up again.” — Chumbawamba
that said, holy shit am i glad today’s over. a one-game lead is still a lead.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 10, 2008 1:09 AM CDT 1 recs
I was bummed until the chumbawumba quote inspired my spirits to soar through the roof.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 10, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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he drinks a whiskey drnk
he drinks a vodka drink
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on
Sep 10, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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Pissing the night away...
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 10, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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Postseaon odds
BP still has us at %69 to make the playoffs, which I’ll take.
But the team looked knackered yesterday, it was a very hard day to take as a fan.
Still, first is better than anywhere else no matter how small the lead.
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on Sep 10, 2008 6:56 AM CDT 0 recs
They probably aren't factoring in Konerko likely being done for the season.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 7:21 AM CDT
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i agree with ssh
congratulations universe, you win
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on
Sep 10, 2008 8:19 AM CDT
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Which just shows the weakness of that particular metric
ELO’s at 52% after yesterday, which feels much more realistic, although still high given the losses of Q! and Kong
AIM: SouthSideCheat
by The Cheat on
Sep 10, 2008 1:48 PM CDT
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i'm not sure i'd call that a weakness per se, though i do agree that it's probably closer to 52% than 69%
i think that difference just illustrates the rather large difference a disagreement over whether a team is likely to be an 88 or 89 win team provides. one game is huge at this point in the year. i mean, really, flip a coin whether you think the twins will go 9-9 or 10-8. who the fuck knows.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 1:58 PM CDT
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The word "knackered" should be used more often.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 10, 2008 2:02 PM CDT
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Seconded.
Actually, I think it should be a permitted action for responding to posts. Rec’d, Flagged or Knackered.
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 10, 2008 2:30 PM CDT
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Clayton Richard is awful...
I don’t want to see the guy ever again. He can’t even make a routine play of throwing a runner out at first base. How pathetic is that?
The Sox can’t bunt so why keep trying it? And they seem to fail with runners on base all the time. It’s awful to watch. And watching Wise / Anderson in the outfield is going to be even worse when you realize they will be playing LF with Griffey in CF.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 10, 2008 7:21 AM CDT 0 recs
What happened on that play?
I was at the game and could not tell. Did he miss the tag or what?
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on
Sep 10, 2008 8:46 AM CDT
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Yes...
He knew he couldn’t make a simple throw to first base so he tried to tag the runner and whiffed. Pretty embarrassing.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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Doesn't say much about Richard's brainpower...
That was an easy little league play. Defensive pitching fundamentals are pretty basic.
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on
Sep 10, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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not sure it's brainpower.
the guy has repeatedly fucked up the throw to first so he tried something else, presumably out of a fear of fucking up again.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 9:41 AM CDT
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Well now he's got the tagging option to fear fucking up in the future...I wonder if he'll just try running the ball over himself next time.
How the hell does a pitcher mess up a throw to first?
I just don’t get it.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 10, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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The guy has enough things to fear...
like only being able to throw one pitch and giving up runs because he sucks.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 9:45 AM CDT
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how does a catcher mess up a throw back to the pitcher?
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 9:57 AM CDT
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I. Do. Not. Know.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 10, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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Michigan quarterbacks only know 1 way to throw.
Rear back and throw as hard and far as you can. Seriously, we haven’t had a guy who can throw a screen or a shuffle pass since Bo was coach.
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 10, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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Brady threw the screen well
so did Griese and Henson. But that was almost 10 years ago and before that, not so much. Basically, if Anthony Thomas was in the backfield, screens and swings were decent.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Sep 10, 2008 5:58 PM CDT
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And right after this terrible day of baseball...
we get to see the Sox face Roy Halladay while the Twins face some Royals bum starter. Should be fun…
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 10, 2008 7:25 AM CDT 0 recs
Hell, just sign Bonds at this point for his bat...
Throw him in LF and pray that most balls are hit right to him and Griffey.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 10, 2008 7:49 AM CDT 0 recs
If the Sox sign Barry Bonds...
that would be my last day as a Sox fan.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Sep 10, 2008 7:54 AM CDT
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Agreed.
EVER!
Pitching, defense and oh, shit.
Do the next right thing.
Win today's game.
by ballyb on
Sep 10, 2008 4:08 PM CDT
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New Line-Up?
With both Kornerko and Quenton out is there any indication what the line-up will be? Will Ozzie move Ramirez up?
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
by phastphil on Sep 10, 2008 7:54 AM CDT 0 recs
Quenton is the robot version of Q!?
I AM QUENTON.
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 10, 2008 2:32 PM CDT
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does he fight THORNTON?
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
by thecip on
Sep 10, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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More like the alien version of Q!
See: Clin-ton.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Sep 10, 2008 5:59 PM CDT
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Why not move JD into LF? BA/Wise in CF. Griff into RF. JD's been making some pretty great plays in RF lately - while I don't want to mess with a mojo, I have more confidence with him in LF.
I know most of us have extreme feelings about Griff not being in CF, which have been expressed since his acquisition. But seriously…when will Ozzie/KW learn?
They even surprised us last night by playing Griff in both games! I was semi-kidding when I suggested that I was hoping to see him benched in game 2. Alas…
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 10, 2008 8:52 AM CDT 0 recs
PS...Ohh Paulie.........

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 10, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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Konerko in the first
Was an omen for the rest of the game. First and second, none out. Bases loaded, one out. GIDP, No runs. The Sox absolutely needed to put some runs on the board in the first yesterday. Once the Jays regained the lead, the Sox lost any life.
One bright spot, however, was the cross marketing with the Blackhawks. Hawks season ticket holders paraded on the warning track before the game. Many Hawks players (minus Toews and Kane) walked to near the Sox dugout and signed autographs and took pictures with the fans. Patrick Sharp used a stick to wrist shot the “first pitch” to Buerhle. Finally, during the typically lame-ass promotion of throwing out tee shirts, the Hawks players helped out and threw the shirts deep into the crowd. I’m sure it’s something both teams will try to repeat.
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on Sep 10, 2008 8:58 AM CDT 0 recs
And Hawk/DJ were wearing their very own Hawks jerseys in the booth.
I wonder how Hawk is doing after yesterday’s games and the fall of Kong….he was so noticeably upset by the day’s events.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 10, 2008 9:07 AM CDT
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Strike Zone
I’m sure Hawk had plenty of ball and strike calls to bitch about, too…
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."
by thekever on
Sep 10, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
by thecip on
Sep 10, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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what we need to win
Jerry Owens will steal 50 bases…IN EACH GAME!
Toby Hall will hit a homerun…WEEKLY!
Juan Uribe will carry this team…TO POSTSEASON GLORY!
Nick Swisher will watch a third strike… SAIL INTO THE OUTFIELD BLEACHERS
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
by thecip on Sep 10, 2008 9:13 AM CDT 0 recs
you have to be optimistic
Sox fan from England, marching on together
by hoodlight on
Sep 10, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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I still think...
that Clayton Richard will be able to carve out a major-league career. Just not right now.
We’ll see how all this plays out. It’ll be interesting, that’s for sure.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 10, 2008 9:24 AM CDT 0 recs
not writing off a player based upon performances when they obviously weren't ready?
that’s not the SSS way.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 9:43 AM CDT
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Yeah...
I hope he can go back to the minors for a couple more seasons and learn a second pitch.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 9:46 AM CDT
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bullshit
"Clayton Richard is awful…
I don’t want to see the guy ever again."
by Craig Grebeck on
Sep 10, 2008 9:56 AM CDT
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That was sarcasm...
I do think he blows. He has no second pitch or balls.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
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Clearly he has no balls...
Sarcasm? You are not capable of sarcasm. Your sense of humor is on par with a monk’s.
by Craig Grebeck on
Sep 10, 2008 10:04 AM CDT
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a chick as hot as ashley isn't going to marry a guy with no balls.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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absolutely
She stopped me at Logan in Boston when she saw my Kanny shirt. I’m still not completely sure what I said.
by Craig Grebeck on
Sep 10, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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I asked Larry this in another thread but is this her?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/breiny/2702837900/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/breiny/2702017709/
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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you are indeed quite the stalker.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Well, you guys were talking about how hot she is...
Had to see it for myself. Google is great.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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you certainly don't quit when you get fixated. seems like it would take some pretty aggressive googling to find those.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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Not really...
It took about two minutes. I even found a picture of you in leather chaps.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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that's about 100 seconds longer than i would have spent.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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yeah but you have no work ethic
or maybe i’m thinking of someone else…
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Sep 10, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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that's certainly true. there are few as tenacious as ssh.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 11:19 AM CDT
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Cheat the next time you spread good feelings on this site about the season
Im blowing your freaking house up.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Sep 10, 2008 9:58 AM CDT 0 recs
Amazing news on Konerko...
According to the Chicago Sun Times, Paul Konerko (knee) could return as soon as Friday.
That would be amazing given how bad the injury looked, but the newspaper reports that Konerko “merely suffered a slight sprain to the right knee.” Jerry Owens figures to pick up playing time for however long Konerko is out.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 10, 2008 10:22 AM CDT 0 recs
I wondering where you got the likely out for rest of season
I heard that news last night
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Sep 10, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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It sure looked like he would be done for the season.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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Rolling on the ground
It sure looked like the injury was much more serious. If he was a football player, I’m sure they would just shoot him.
"What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' n*****s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass."
by thekever on
Sep 10, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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no pain tolerance?
maybe he was just over exaggerating because he was fearful he tore his acl
i played on a Company soccer team and this girl got a ball kicked into her face. she immediately started to cry thinking she broke her nose, not because it actually hurt that much but bc she thought it for sure was broken. this fact she admits
by The Scoper on
Sep 10, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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What a pussy bitch.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 10, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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you'd by crying worse than that girl if you sprained your mcl.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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“All I could think about on the ground was, ‘Is that what it feels like when you blow your knee out?’” said Konerko, speaking in front of his locker after the game. "It scared me more than anything.
“It did hurt, but the pain went away. That almost scared me more, because you hear how it doesn’t hurt when you blow something out.”
by The Scoper on
Sep 10, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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often described as a shot of extreme pain.
which subsides quite a bit after a few minutes to a rather weird feeling in the area. today his knee is probably quite swollen today but with little pain.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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The "scared" repetition is not what you want to hear from your El Capitan
Have to agree with SSH. Wuss. No problem with the exclamation of “AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” as it happens but in the interview tent afterward you STFU about “fear”.
I bet every player getting a single to right now makes the wide turn at first, daring Paulie to try and catch him in a rundown. I would. “Come get me, Captain! Unless you are a WOMAN!”
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 10, 2008 3:12 PM CDT
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not after we heard what the actual injury was.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 10, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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"I also gave him a full, lush head of hair."

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials a



