Buehrle Picks Sox Up Off the Mat
The White Sox needed a big performance from one of their starters to get back on track. Mark Buehrle gave them just that Wednesday night at The Cell, snapping a 3-game losing streak overall and a 7-game skid against the Blue Jays.
It was oddly reminiscent of a start just a month ago against the Red Sox when Buehrle helped erase the memories of 4-game sweep/massacre that succinctly defined the 2007 season. The Sox jumped out to an early lead and Buerhle held 'em scoreless until turning it over to the pen late.
The offensive tone was set early in this game, when Jim Thome and AJ Pierzynski each came up with a rare hit with a runner in scoring position. The Sox entered the game with just 3 hits with RISP in their first 6 games against the Jays this season. By games end, the Sox had added 5 more, an offensive explosion. Pierzynski also came up with another one, a 2-run double to start the scoring in the Sox 3-run 6th.
It wasn't a pretty lineup that Ozzie ran out there, but, at least for one night, it was effective. As somebody pointed out, it looked a little too much like a 2007 line-up without Konerko, Quentin, Crede and General Soreness. But Dewayne Wise, Jerry Owens and Brian Anderson were each productive in their own way. Owens turned his speed into an infield hit and a stolen base, which didn't amount to any runs on the scoreboard, but really came through in a big way with a squeeze bunt* to plate--yeah, I'm using it as a verb again--the Sox 5th run of the game. Anderson, who replaced Owens when the Jays turned to lefty reliever, came through with a 2-out RBI single, which didn't seem that big at the time.
But when Bobby Jenks started throwing batting practice, that run would loom large. Jenks showed maybe the best curveball we've seen from him early in his extended outing, but after he used it to punch out Gregg Zaun leading off the inning, he reverted to mostly fastballs. The Blue Jays were not fooled. Thanfully, he was able to find his slider when Alex Rios strolled to the plate with the tying run just 90 feet from home. It would have been a demoralizing loss if the Sox couldn't hold on to a 5-0 lead after 7.
It was a big win, maybe the biggest of the season. I don't think that's the last time I'll be trotting out that cliche. But when you've got a one game lead on the division, every win is your biggest win until the magic number, or conversely, the tragic number, reaches zero.
* I'm a huge fan of the squeeze bunt. It's easily my favorite play in baseball. But the Sox aren't exactly equipped with the type of lineup that can be counted on to get a bunt down in a situation like that. I think their only attempt of the season was Anderson's failed attempt in the three-month long game. Of course, as I write this Big Papi lays down a sacrifice bunt--he wasn't even trying to beat the shift--in the bottom of the 12th inning.
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This afternoon, Joe Cowley twittered that Javier Vazquez would be starting on short rest Saturday, with Lance Broadway--oh, joy--getting the start on Sunday. Vazquez has previously started on short rest twice in his career, with the last time coming during his stellar first half in New York. Broadway is getting the start over Clayton Richard because Ozzie wanted to throw a right-handed pitcher against a Detroit team that ranks among the best in baseball against lefties.
One is left to wonder--those of us prone to wondering, that is--why not throw Vazquez on regular rest with Broadway going on Saturday? Though I now see that's exactly how it's listed on the ChiSox.com probable starters, so Ozzie may have changed his mind, or Cowley misunderstood him (easy to do), or ChiSox.com is wrong (all possibilities). I'll take the wait and see approach until we get confirmation one way or the other.
[Update by The Cheat, 09/10/08 11:56 PM CDT ]: The Daily Herald's Scott Gregor is confirmation enough for me. Looks like Vazquez will start on Saturday, though he doesn't really explain why. Does Vazquez get one extra start, the 5th starter one less, this way? I don't really want to go through the trouble of counting it all out.
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According to my calculations, this would not give Vazquez another start
unless he skipped over someone else in the future, which could happen on the Sept. 22 off day.
Nice summary, btw, Mr. Michaels, as I was not able to keep up with the game this evening…but what have you done to cheat? ;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on
Sep 11, 2008 12:15 AM CDT
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There is no Cheat, only Zuul
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on
Sep 11, 2008 12:19 AM CDT
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Whats with the Ghostbusters references tonight?
Earlier Vigo, from part 2, was referenced.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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Sep 11, 2008 12:45 AM CDT
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When you say Vigo, i'm assuming that you're referring to
Vigo The Carpathian, Vigo The Cruel, Vigo The Torturer, Vigo The Despised, Vigo The Unholy, the Scourge of Carpathia, and the Sorrow of Moldavia.
Or did you have some entirely other Vigo on your mind?
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
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Sep 11, 2008 12:51 AM CDT
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"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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Sep 11, 2008 1:00 AM CDT
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they were both on tv beofre/during the game and wciu does not reach the hells of illinois
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
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Sep 11, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
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Sep 11, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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i thought i read that it was so javy would be ready for thursday @ the bronx on regular rest
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
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Sep 11, 2008 1:00 AM CDT
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You do know he pitched yesterday right?
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
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Sep 11, 2008 1:02 AM CDT
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now you done made me look it up
from scott luvrug:
Judging by manager Ozzie Guillen’s pregame comments on Wednesday, Vazquez will get the call on Saturday. Lance Broadway then will make start No. 2 this season in Sunday night’s series finale, with Guillen wanting to go with a right-hander against the Tigers’ power supply of Miguel Cabrera and Magglio Ordonez.
Starting Vazquez on Saturday means he will come back on regular rest in next Thursday’s final contest played by the White Sox at Yankee Stadium. But Guillen indicated he will use some of his starters outside of their regular five-day rotation over the final 13 games.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
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Sep 11, 2008 1:07 AM CDT
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Didnt look at the schedule, you should have said next Thursday.
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by omnipotent grab on
Sep 11, 2008 5:41 AM CDT
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I was bored and went through this tonight
Floyd is scheduled to get four more starts from here on out but from there it gets a little dicey. If you don’t include the final two games of the season, Danks, Vazquez and Buehrle each have three starts the rest of the way, with Broadway/random-guy-off-the-street/Egg getting at least two more.
The last two games is where it gets a bit crummy. The Sox are going to have to attack those last two games with two of the ‘big four’ going on short rest. It figures that the guy who would be going on three days rest for that second-to-last game is Danks.
Can’t the Sox extend Poreda for a couple of three inning ‘piggyback’ starts, seeing that we’re so short-handed? (Don’t answer that, it’s mostly rhetorical and just me whining.)
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Sep 11, 2008 1:04 AM CDT
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I love this picture from early tuesdays game.

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes anyday." - AJ
by omnipotent grab on
Sep 11, 2008 1:04 AM CDT
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Was that the "catch" sans ball?
ah yes…there’s the ball under his leg.
He hit that wall comically hard.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 11, 2008 8:25 AM CDT
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jim
you need to make a t shirt with that cat holding that belt….please
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Sep 11, 2008 2:08 AM CDT
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they weren't fooled by bobby
i know in a previous thread some weeks ago it was discussed that perhaps the big boy is not throwing the slider effectively for strikes, and thus ignoring it altogether. did he even try to throw it last night??? i could check gameday, but skipped out after the 6th last night.
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Sep 11, 2008 7:31 AM CDT
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or you could just read cheat's recap...
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 8:18 AM CDT
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that's true,, my bad
is regaining his slider something that’s easier said than done (for the remainder of the season)? if the jays had him figured out, last night will repeat itself..
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Sep 11, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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He struck the last guy out on a slider
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on
Sep 11, 2008 9:18 AM CDT
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Rios, who had been on fire all game.
Saved it for when he truly needed it.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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i would imagine this is the "modified 4 man rotation" thing ozzie promised to implement.
echoing what you said the other day, cheat, clayton richard should not be pitching for a contending team. obviously the DH fucked things up some but the move to broadway over richard against detroit makes sense under the circumstances, as you point out.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 8:22 AM CDT
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Im curious Larry or anyone for that matter
With the talk of importance in setting up rotation or playoffs, what order would you like to see in the promised land on the road. Assuming of course, the team is lucky enough to steal the division away from the division winning Twins?
This I know is irrelevant as they won’t be able to set up their rotation.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 8:36 AM CDT
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that may well depend upon how danks looks.
but, in an ideal world where everyone is pitching basically like they’ve done over the course of the season, i’d want to go MB, javy, danks, floyd. however, even if the sox were setting things up, it might be difficult to get things that way considering how they’re set up now. i’d note, though, that my back of the envelope makes it seem more likely that it would be a javy, MB, floyd, danks set up, which is also fine. i’m not sure there’s that huge of a difference between the starters that you’re really all that concerned. 1-4 the sox are pretty solid overall (who is the #1? who is the #4? you’re get lots of different answers, unlike some other teams).
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 8:49 AM CDT
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Yeah I figured as much.
Of the 4 only Danks has done better on the road this year (weird). Buerhle has done substantially better at home but Ozzie would be beat up if he held Mark out till game 3. The second best pitcher on the road is Floyd. Either way I’d like to see Danks get 1 of the road starts if they made the playoffs.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 9:12 AM CDT
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does anyone know where i can find the results from the rays-red sox series that i think occurred this week? there was some guy on here who was incessantly gloating over another of his rays predictions and was providing an hourly update but he’s gone quiet. link? sorry for asking on here but my secretary isn’t at her station. probably checking where i stand in the receptionist fantasy baseball league.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 9:23 AM CDT
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Oh thats low.....
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by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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Stats vs Rays (a likely 1st round opponent)
Mark B
3 starts
19 2/3 IP 25 h, 4.58 era 0-1
Vazquez
3 starts
20 1/3 IP 16h, 3.54 era 1-2
Danks
3 starts
19 1/3 IP 16h, 1.86 era 2-1
So in fantasyland
Vaz, Danks,Buer and then Floyd
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by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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interesting numbers. thanks.
given up on the red sox already? mumbles something about a three game lead not being that big when you still have three games against that opponent.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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Don't I have to?
I actually watched the last half of both games. The Red Sox should have won both and should be in 1st. But if I was a chick I’d be my neice’s aunt. As I said I rooting for the Rays though.
The playoffs, as everyone has stated are a bit of a crapshoot but that would be the best case “real” scenario for our boys.
Sox at Rays
Bsox at Angels.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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you've just kept coming up with predictions about how the rays would falter.
“no, really guys. this time it’s gonna happen.” i thought you were made of stronger stuff than this, tdogg. your pussy friends rubbing off on you? fight until the last man! you’re right until they’re mathematically eliminated! and, even then, it’s not because you were wrong! you were right – they were wrong!
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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lol
The BSox are a better team than the Rays. Funny thing though, the Rays don’t know it!
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by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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now you're cookin'
the old “they’re too young to realize it” argument.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 9:52 AM CDT
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Rays using the Sox' 2005 script.
Let ’em get to a 1/2 game out, then rip their hearts out in dramatic fashion(JOE! CREDE PENA!)
Goddammit, I am going to see a Sox/Rays playoff game down here yet!
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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If that happens, do the Rays actually (gasp) sell out a few games???
"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-
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Sep 11, 2008 6:10 PM CDT
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I agree except I'd flip Floyd and Danks.
I actually trust Gavin more right now, though it would break up your L/R/L/R rotation.
MM needs to admit that MB is the “big game” pitcher, not Danks. (We conversed about this a couple months ago.) Mark and Gavin = “stoppers”.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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Lance Broadway should not be pitching for a contending team either.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 11, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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that's nice. unfortunately something called reality requires it.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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Why can't either Carrasco or Poreda get the start against them?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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Sep 11, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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carrasco more valuable in bullpen. and, good lord, poreda shouldn't be starting for a contender, either. especially against a lefty killer lineup.
nothing like sending a guy out for his major league debut against a team he’s unlikely to have any success against.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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But we already know that Broadway is awful, don't we?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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Sep 11, 2008 11:16 AM CDT
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Both are likely to be awful
one is expendable.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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Sep 11, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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i'd be more than willing to bet that broadway would do far better against the tigers than poreda.
he should not be starting. neither should broadway. but at least lance is right-handed and has multiple pitches. and adding poreda to the 40 man roster at this point for a single start and maybe some bullpen work is getting close to silly. the sox decided to stick with poreda as a starter, which is why he’s going to AFL to get his innings pitched up. he likely has not been throwing at the necessary level and intensity since his last start. it makes no sense, and is likely destructive to his development, to change the plan now.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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That makes sense...
Do you still want Poreda in the bullpen though?
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Sep 11, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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I kinda do
but I’m willing to accept that the Sox’ judgment here is very probably better than mine.
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Sep 11, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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not anymore. that decision should have been made last month if it was going to be made.
he should have been up in mid august if that’s what they were going to do. again, screwing with him by telling him you’re a starter, you’re going to the AFL, back off for a couple weeks before going to the AFL as a starter – oh, wait, now we want you to play for the big club out of the bullpen….not a good idea. the sox made a decision. i don’t agree with that decision. but i disagree more with not sticking with whatever course they decided to set him upon.
i will note, however, that the choice the sox made helps him be a starter – and potentially with the white sox as a starter – next year. the bullpen choice would have significantly impeded that progress, especially because he wouldn’t be getting his innings up sufficiently this year (leaving him open to that whole rule of 30 thing next year). i would have sacrificed that progress for 1.5 months or so of regular season work out of the bullpen and usage in the playoffs. but, again, that ship has long since sailed.
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by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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The Contreras injury and the realization that Richard is not ready...
probably made up the Sox mind about Poreda for them. They will need another starter for next season.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 11, 2008 12:11 PM CDT
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Lets worry about that next year.
On the bright side Im sure even you feel 10x as good about the rotation in 09 than you felt about 08 coming in.
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by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 12:16 PM CDT
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perhaps. but, just like with all pitchers, you should pretty much assume they are starters, and act accordingly, until they prove otherwise.
i’m a big fan of the “have your best 11/12 pitchers on the big league club and the roles will sort themselves out” instead of the usual “we have 11/12 roles to fill, let’s find players who we think, a priori, fit those roles”. i’d argue that poreda is one of the 11 or 12 best pitchers in the organization. however, it’s also kind of glib to just throw out long term development altogether in order to achieve my belief in how a team should fill their staff. so i think you have to modify my belief to use a little nuance and common sense – you know, does a guy still have a lot to gain from pitching in the minors in a starting role as opposed to in the majors in a limited role? if there’s still a lot to be gained, leave him in the minors, even if he’s easily one of your top 11 pitchers. and there’s a whole lot to be gained with poreda.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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I don't know if you've noticed...
but I think the shine is off DJ Carrasco. He hasn’t pitched very well recently.
And I don’t know anything about Aaron Poreda, or whether or not he’s ready to jump into a September major-league start in the middle of a pennant race.
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Sep 11, 2008 10:50 AM CDT
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that is certainly true re: carrasco.
he was going to turn into a pumpkin at some point. he has looked more orange recently.
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by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Perhaps he's a little beat in his newer role.
Might need a break. Too bad. Start for KC or relieve in a pennant race. I’d suck it up if I were him.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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rec'd. his lack of effort and nonchalant attitude is the reason for his fial of late.
"the most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks."
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Sep 11, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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All I'm saying is he might be unaccustomed to this type of work.
The fact that he was basically cut by the Royals (the Royals!) has no bearing.
;)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 10:55 AM CDT
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Also I appreciate that you chose that particular post to enter the discussion.
Where TF were you last night? No props for my bold call yesterday? No slack is cut today for the old man?
POS.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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drinking copious amounts of boont amber at a dive.
great call. i am in awe of your prescience. btw, have you heard what the logic machine says about tonight’s game?
"the most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks."
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Sep 11, 2008 11:00 AM CDT
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An an OPOS, once I was good, now I'm good once.
Hate to say it, but Gavin’s due for a “L”, and we don’t hit Marcum well. Plus, Jays have to be revved about scaring the crap out of us last night.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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*As*
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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Not that anyone cares:
1. I like our chances tonight. MB’s gonna come up big.
And Doc is hittable. 3 runs will do it. You heard it here first. Ridicule away.
by winningugly on Sep 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
I must amend the formula: MB + OD – BJ = W-2
2. Cheat, thanks for changing the avatar.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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hawk didn't just "like" the sox' chances. he guaranteed victory. your's is weak sauce.
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by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 9:05 AM CDT
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'not that anyone cares?'
I even included your prediction in my game wrap-up below!
I always expect the best out of MB (as I have said many times before, even after horrible outings by him), especially in big games against high-caliber pitchers.
Our offense was the sketchy element – but it seems a trend this season to produce against the aces, and allow scrub no-names to shut us down. On that alone, I was expecting a win against Doc last night as well.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Sep 11, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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I was a minute ahead of you.
Just like me and my wife.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sep 11, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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Yeah, but it was writ by the time you posted that....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Sep 11, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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Mark Buerhle
Home
10-3 2.74
Road
3-8 4.68
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Sep 11, 2008 9:14 AM CDT
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It was a good call...
I didn’t think the Sox had a chance. But the Twins are definitely going to sweep the Royals.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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Sep 11, 2008 10:41 AM CDT
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I love your "definitely"s.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Brandon Duckworth vs. Francisco Liriano at the Twinkiedome...
LOL.
Liriano is 5-0 in 7 starts since returning to the Twins on August 3rd.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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And Brandon Duckworth has a career 5.39 ERA and shouldn't be in the majors.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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Sep 11, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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well, if clayton richard can beat king felix...
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
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fial.
"the most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks."
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This game was so great to watch. A little fun for everyone. You like RISP crossing the plate?
You got it!
You like great infield defense? You got it. (Swish, great play at first, scooping that ball off the line. Che leaping 5-feet in the air to grab a shot to right-center. Uribe’s missiles from third…)
You like beating an unstoppable line-up and their ace pitcher? Done!
You enjoy a perfectly-executed squeeze bunt (AJ almost redeemed himself for the horrible base-running from third in the 10th Saturday night, as he crossed the plate before that bunt could even be fielded)? Thank you, Owens.
I love a good MB outing. Nothing pleases me more, I must say.
And WU would have been right – we only needed 3 runs against Halladay to do it….that is, as long as Buerhle was pitching.
The photo finish only made the game more fun – and knowing that Swish’s first hit of the night (first left side at-bat after striking out 3 times from the right against Halladay) led the way to BA’s *insurance RBI in the bottom of the 8th…..WOW. What a finish.
What an effort by the whole team. I loved it.
And slept worlds better last night than Tuesday.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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JRE now a padres fan
san diego claims haeger.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
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that's a pretty good spot for him.
padres sound like they’re in a rebuilding mode so he should make their rotation and, for a guy who doesn’t give up many homers already, that park should make him look even better.
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Noooooooooooooooo!
Haegar
goes 14-10 with 4.10 era in spacious Petco in 2010.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
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Sep 11, 2008 9:55 AM CDT
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Probably...
Just imagine Wakefield in that park. Great pickup for them.
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-- Larry
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Sep 11, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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I will tell you this right now...
Charlie Haeger will have a better career than Lance Broadway.
Haeger is probably better than Broadway right now.
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Sep 11, 2008 10:25 AM CDT
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Congrats Bobby, Juan, Big Jim, Paulie, et al!
This week’s SI has named the Sox the “heaviest” (i.e. fattest) team in MLB, with an average weight of 226 lbs. per man. Imagine the average if Alexi wasn’t on the squad!
Good job guys!
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
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Sep 11, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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Jim Thome is not fat.
Why so serious?
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Sep 11, 2008 10:09 AM CDT
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Absolutely not...he's a handsome, rugged, stout man.
But he does help contribute to the “heavy factor.”
And…being heavy certainly hasn’t kept the Sox out of first place. I prefer a heavier bunch of softball-esque players, actually…I can relate.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
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Sep 11, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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No, but his legs are painfully heavy to watch on the base path.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 11, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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yeah, why can't everyone be mickey mantle?
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 10:33 AM CDT
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clearly cloning is not where it should be in 2008.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Sep 11, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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I actually got a really good chuckle watching Thome hustle to 3rd the other night.
I was yelling at the screen behind chuckles, “STOPPPP! DON’T WAVE HIM AROUND!!!”
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Sep 11, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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Certainly not since his death back in April.
Rigor mortis is a helluva a way to lose weight.
by The Actual El Guapo on
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Bobby clocking in at 275, AJ at 240.
Biggest batterymates by far.
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juan's ass alone is like 250 right?
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
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Sep 11, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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Left cheek only
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
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Sep 11, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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I don't think A.J. is 240 these days...
He has lost some weight since last year. That’s probably an old weight listing.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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Sep 11, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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this news somehow makes me proud
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
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Sep 11, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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Isn't Chicago one of the "fattest" cities in America?
They are just representin’, baby.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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I believe we're second to Milwaukee...
especially with Prince Fielder and C.C. up there.
They love their cheese curds in Wisconsin, ya hey!
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
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Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
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I smell a T-shirt...
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Just in time for Halloween, Jim!
Get busy being born, or get busy dying.
I’m in.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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loves it.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 11, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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solid as a rock
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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Sep 11, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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Out here in L.A....
..it’s all Angels & Dodgers. Must be nice to have a.) clinched the div. in early Sept and b.) have a .3.5 game lead over your div. rivals. God forbid we should have an easy sept.
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Sep 11, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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Must be nice...
to play in a horrible division like the AL West or NL West.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Sep 11, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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wouldn't want to be actually entertained by sports, would we.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
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Sep 11, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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I can't imagine that anyone...
would rather see the Sox with a 1 game lead over a 3.5 game lead.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 11, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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Except Twins and Cubs fans, of course.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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So you, then?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 11, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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Sox in '83 (Remember Winning Ugly? Do you?)
clinched 9/17. Our postseason wasn’t so special, was it?
We’re doin’ fine.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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There's no correlation...
between date of clinch and success in the postseason.
The key is getting into the playoffs. Everything else is a roll of the dice.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on
Sep 11, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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roll of the dice...
c’mon, a bit too dramatic? strength of pitching is of primary importance, right?
by onlysoxfaninboston on
Sep 11, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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"roll of the dice"
cute billy beane type quote. has a kernel of truth. but i think we all know there’s a touch more to it than that.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on
Sep 11, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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i'm surprised a stats guy like beane might use that quote, haha
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it is largely based in what we know about "stats"
small sample size. the best team/player doesn’t necessarily perform that way over a small sample size. however, as statistics like BP’s “special sauce” illustrate, there’s more to it than just that.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
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Sep 11, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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I think there are things you can do...
to make your odds better to win in the postseason, but nothing you do is going to guarantee anything.
In a short series, weird things are going to happen. You can be the 2006 Mets, cruising into the playoffs with a great lineup and decent starting pitching, and watch your team get shut down by Jeff Suppan and Jeff Weaver.
But yeah, “roll of the dice” is shorthand. You do what you can do make your team as good as possible, but once you get into the playoffs, you’ve got a good shot. There aren’t any 16 seeds to beat up on in there.
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Sep 11, 2008 10:59 AM CDT
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nothing you do is going to 'guarantee' anything
note to SSH
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To add emphasis
I am reminded and referred to the greatest chapter title in book history
“Why Doesn’t Billy Beane’s Shit Work in the Playoffs” from the book Baseball Between the Numbers
Silver examines the numbers and concludes it is rare for any team to have more than a 25 or 30 percent chance of winning the whole thing.
The rest of it is a fancy pants way that shows the biggest correlation for post season success is defense (bad for us) and run prevention in general (starting pitching-decent for us).
Official top 3 Variables
1) Closer WXRL (managers do get smarter about using the closers more optimally)
2) Pitcher strikeout rate (funny joke except if Doug Eddings is behind hp)
3) Fielding Runs Above Average
Highligts include the highest correlation between opp ba and post season success.
There is no evidence that small ball has fared better than walks/hrs
Finishing hot doesnt really matter at all. In fact there is a slight inverse relationship from Sept 1 W-L record moving forward. (More credence to better teams resting players and setting up pitching rotations)
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
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Sep 11, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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LOL or as Larry said
You can look at secret sauce……..duh.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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Scores and further proof you wouldnt want to see Toronto in playoffs
1)Anaheim 18
2)Toronto 20
3)Boston 21
4)TB 28
5)Cubs 28
6)Wsox 30
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Sep 11, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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but i agree with your point about correlation
unless the time of clinching affects the strength of pitching down the road
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Christopher Michaels is history's greatest monster
Why do we have to have a post from him? Might as well resurrect Pol Pot and sit him behind a keyboard.
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superkick!
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
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rotation thoughts from will carroll
Here at Baseball Prospectus, we’ve been advocating the four-man rotation for a long time—longer than I’ve been here, actually. There have been a very few teams who have tried it, and they invariably changed course quickly, usually because they didn’t really prepare and just tossed guys into it without altering the real process. Other teams have talked about it, but lacked the institutional will to carry it through. Tom Verducci wrote recently that teams used closers in the same way for no real reason, other than that handing the ball to that designated guy is not only easier to explain to the media, it also makes it easier to blame someone else on the occasions when it doesn’t work. So it surprised me when I discovered that the White Sox have shifted, if not to an out-and-out four-man rotation, to a five-day rotation, where their four starters are taking their regular turns every fifth, and the fifth starter in the rotation gets skipped as often as the schedule permits. I paused, thought about it, and realized that this shouldn’t have surprised me at all; Kenny Williams isn’t afraid of trying new things or of doing things his own way. We haven’t always been supportive of his methods or his choices, but the results speak for themselves, both positively and negatively. The same could be said for Ozzie Guillen, or for Don Cooper. They’ve also set an apparent lower pitch limit, with none of the four starters going more than 110 pitches. I say apparent, because aside from Javier Vazquez, none of the other four have gone over that number more than once all season. If the White Sox get to the playoffs, these are the kinds of moves as far as pitcher handling that deserve far more notice than Williams and Guillen and Cooper have received, but that doesn’t make this kind of management any less smart.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8058
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juuuust beat me
i think this probably explains the Linebrink and Dotel signings, too. and it’s been a pretty optimal distribution of leverage, pitches and out this year.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
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Why do they advocate a four-man rotation?
Sox fan from England, marching on together
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fifth starters tend to suck
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
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Cool
I know its extremely childish,but besides fandom I so want the White Sox to make the playoffs to “shut” certain people up. Not really directed at BP but others in general- fans and media that hold on to this perception that the Sox are idiots and lucked into a playoff appearance and WS. For some reason it burns me. 2 playoffs appearances (neither predicted) and another solid year w-l for Ozzie and I say “shut the fuck up”
And KW was robbed of exec of the year in 05.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
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Sep 11, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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I was thinking this too the other day
This would be 3/4 seasons with 90+ wins, and during KW’s tenure, they have been sub-.500 precisely once.
Ozzie’s even better — during his tenure, they’ve averaged 86 wins a year (maybe 87 depending on how they finish out this year).
Folks, that’s a pretty decent track record.
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how is denver treating you?
"the most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks."
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Sep 11, 2008 12:27 PM CDT
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Good, I guess.
It’s odd. It seems to be an entire city made up of friendly yuppies — imagine a city consisting of the northside of Chicago between the lake and Western, and that’s Denver.
The weather is fantastic. Best in the country if you like seasons — it’s almost always sunny, the summers are bearable because of the dryness and the fact that it cools down at night, and the snow in the winter usually melts within a day or two. There were multiple days this winter where we would sit out on our balcony in 65 degree weather (in the sun) in shorts drinking beer, and marvel at the foot of snow in our neighbor’s (shaded) yard across the street. That and the altitude are great for my marathoning. I’m training to go sub-2:55 in a few months at sea level. We’ll see.
The munchkin loves being able to play outside 300+ days a year and being able to go up to the mountains two or three times a month. Can’t wait until she’s old enough to go skiing. Then maybe I’ll be able to get more than a day a month on the slopes.
I actually switched jobs from a small firm (I learned that a small firm has all the drawbacks of a big firm, but without the advantages or the compensation — billing 1800 hours sounds great, but when that means you just have to put in the same additional 700 hours without billing them, it really sucks) to the government. I’m LOVING that. Out here, the pay differential isn’t THAT much (it’s only a 30% cut, instead of the 60% cut in Chicago), I’m home by 5:30 most nights, and the work is really, really interesting. Plus I get to run my own cases, which is nice. I’m 3-0 since coming over and am waiting to hear on a state Supreme Court appeal, which would be nice.
All that said, we definitely miss Chicago, especially the restaurants and the nightlife (most non-clubs here close around 10:30). We’re actually heading back this weekend to visit a few friends and meet their new babies. The munchkin is staying with relatives — it will be our first weekend alone in 2+ years.
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enjoy that weekend. and enjoy the government work; i know i do.
"the most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks."
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Still running? You must love the altitude re: training.
Also, did you attend The Rally last month? How was the local coverage?
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Yes and no.
Yes, I’m still running. Running at a comfortable pace up here is fine, but once you try to go faster than that to do speed work, it feels like you are breathing through a straw. I’m running half mile repeats (usually 7-10) every 2-3 weeks or so, and each time I think I’m going to die. But it makes it all worth it when you go back down to sea level and no matter how fast you go it feels like you are jogging. My current training pace would net me about a 3:00 marathon at altitude, but subtract the 3-4% for coming down to sea level and the 2:55 mark becomes feasible (that’s the auto qualifying standard for NYC).
No, I didn’t take part in any of the political stuff. I generally tried to stay away from the goings on, like most Denverites. I did walk into the main tourist drag for lunch one day. Lots of people, but it seemed pretty orderly.
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that was the happiest post i've ever read on here
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
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Sep 11, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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Out of place, isn't it.
It’s only because he moved and has not been on this site for weeks.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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it was refreshing
feeling happy for a fellow poster
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
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Fer Chrissakes, U-God,
Get the to an existentialism class immediately. You need some Nietzche, stat.
Otherwise, California beckons.
;)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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I have no intentions of living anywhere other than the southwest suburbs the rest of my life.
Anytime I get into a conversation with people my age involving where we’ll live when we grow up, I bring up that I couldn’t live anywhere more than 2 hours from a baseball stadium, and odds are that stadium would have to be the Cell. This usually leads to stares that are validated by coming here and spending 3-4 hours of my day online with people that have a similar problem.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
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Sep 11, 2008 1:21 PM CDT
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You are loved beyond imagination, just for that sharing.
Not by me, but by Kenwo.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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I usually check every other day or so
Still keeping up with the team. There is a pizza chain out here (it may be elsewhere) called “Old Chicago” that is very Chicago-centric. We usually try to catch a couple of games a month. The munchkin is being brought up to be a Sox fan. When you ask her where she was born, she says “Chicago. Go White Sox!” The bad news is that she’s very upset that she can’t go to Chicago with Mommy and Daddy this weekend.
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Try and have one of every beer on tap.
It’d be quite the accomplishment
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
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Jerry Manual is a lazy pos.
regards
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
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Sep 11, 2008 12:30 PM CDT
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i dig gandhi
but i dig ozzie much better. i’m happy that the mets will likely make the playoffs (not attributing that to manuel replacing randolph)
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Sep 11, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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minnesota-kc playing already.
2 out run scoring double by morneau in the 1st. going to top of 2, 1-0 twins.
brian anderson would've caught that...
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1-1 now, biyatch.
"the most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks."
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Sep 11, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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Royals score one to tie it...
Miguel Olivo with a leadoff double and Esteban German with a 1-out double.
Unfortunately, Brandon Duckworth is surely going to give up more than one run in this game.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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maybe liriano not has great stuff todays? 3 hits in less than 2 innings...
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I wish our starters could have his kind of stuff.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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what does that have to do with what i just said?
"the most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks."
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you would know if you'd picked up the bread and cabbage like i asked you to.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
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Sep 11, 2008 12:40 PM CDT
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i thought you told me to pick up your sister at the airport.
"the most important thing to remember about drunks is that drunks are far more intelligent than non-drunks."
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Since coming back to the Twins on August 3rd...
Liriano has given up 31 hits in 43.2 innings (not including today’s start). His stuff must still be good.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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Sep 11, 2008 12:49 PM CDT
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But I hope his stuff sucks today like you say...
Although, Brandon Duckworth is gonna put this one out of reach sooner or later.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
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no shit. that's why i said maybe his stuff wasn't that good today which could leave the door open.
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Yep, read my above post.
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And it looks like you may be right...
One out triple by Aviles!
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Why answer why?
Why?
(Think Nancy Kerrigan: WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYY???)
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don't press your luck, opos. ;-)
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It would be nice for him to face 1 team whose record is above .500
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True, but I seem to remember our starters getting rocked by crappy teams like the Royals.
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roy! roy!
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And they have also shut down some stud teams.
Im just saying keep it in perspective.
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In any case...
It looks like Toonderstrook is right.
The Royals are slapping Liriano around which is good to see. I just wish someone other than Brandon Duckworth had started this game.
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Carrasco?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Sure, he would be an upgrade to this guy.
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big inning to get through there.
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Huge inning-ending DP there by Casilla with Mauer and Morneau due up.
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Why the fuck is Billy Butler swinging at a 3-0 count?
He is not Jim Thome.
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he hates the white sox.
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He and Nate Silver.
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he's a computer. and computer's can't hate.
blame steve jobs for creating N.A.T.E.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
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the more boring brotherbot of D.A.R.Y.L?
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
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he's a racist.
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looks like liriano has settled down.
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Leadoff single by Mauer...
Morneau, Kubel, and Redmond due up. Here it comes…
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Morneau singles...
Runners at 1B and 2B, no outs. Kubel up…
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Ron Mahay in to face Kubel...
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1st and 2nd, none out......................
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splooge?
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Not yet.
Trying to rent a large crane. They are all in Dubai.
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Matchup: Blue Jays (78-67) at White Sox (81-64), 7:11 p.m. CDT
Probable Starters: Shaun Marcum (142 IP, 3.61 RA, 1.16 WHIP, 116 K) vs. Gavin Floyd (174, 4.66, 1.24, 123)
Pythagorean Record: Toronto, 83-62 (647 RS, 552 RA); Chicago, 81-64 (728 RS, 640 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Toronto, #7; Chicago, #6
Prospectus: One thing that continues to pop up all over the internet (and here at Baseball Prospectus via chats and reader e-mails) is the viability of Alexei Ramirez as the Rookie of the Year recipient. There are a few problems with having Ramirez take home the Jackie Robinson Award despite his production this year, thanks to stiff competition and an assortment of holes you can poke in Ramirez’ candidacy. Ramirez has hit .298/.318/.475, which is solid in the power department but reflects a lack of patience. His .316 BABIP is a smidge above expectations, but if you were to adjust for that, Ramirez would be hitting closer to .281/.301/.458; it’s just a few missing hits, but just those few shows you how close Ramirez’ line is to losing a good bit of sparkle. That’s not a strong enough argument by itself to dismiss him, especially since awards are based on what players have done rather than what they should have done, but there is more to the argument as well. Ramirez has accumulated 18.3 VORP on the year in 437 plate appearances, placing him third in the AL rookie class behind Mike Aviles and Evan Longoria. Though this shouldn’t factor into a race determined by counting stats, he has, on a rate basis, been the fourth most productive rookie offensively per game in the AL (via VORPr), behind the aforementioned pair and the Twins’ Denard Span. In just 357 plate appearances, Aviles has been more productive offensively than Longoria by .01 per game, though the defensive difference between them more than makes up for that.
As for Ramirez’ glove, it’s never going to help him win any awards, as he ranks last among qualifying second basemen in John Dewan’s Revised Zone Rating, and has just 13 plays outside of his zone as well, which should give you an idea of how little range he’s displayed (the next-lowest total is Jeff Kent’s 20). Aviles, if he qualified, would be in the top third among shortstops via RZR (which may be overstating his value due to a small sample, but it sure beats ranking last, like Ramirez), and Longoria is one of the best at his position. So, after adding defense to the equation, it’s silly to include Ramirez in the discussion, especially since this is just considering the position players. Pitchers can take home the award as well, and there are 10 of them who have produced more than Ramirez this year in VORP, with four or five of those guys as deserving of the prize as either Aviles or Longoria.
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Bubble burst
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you guys already know all this because i wrote basically all of this on here before.
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BP can eat me.
Who else has a T-shirt? Evan? Aviles? PLEASE!
Nate Silver hates WSox.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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And you are still a self-hating Sox fan.
“Fan” is the operative term here. Rational assessment of numbers and trends does not a “fan” make. Break the cool, detached veneer just once, larry. CHELEXEI FOR ROY! STATS BE DAMNED!
(I know, I should go back to WSI, wearing my Thursday Che T-shirt – one for every day of the week.)
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URIBE FOR MANAGER OF THE YEAR then
no one can manage to carry a team once he gets hot than he
also snickerdoodles.
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
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What's Longoria's status, by the way?
Is he playing again this season or not?
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Longoria
Longoria (arm) took 30 swings at balls thrown by a Rays’ trainer on Wednesday, and he may be able to return to action as soon as Friday or Saturday after taking live BP on Friday, the Tampa Tribune reports.
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A bit delayed, though - he was eligible to come off the DL a bit ago.
“I’ve been wanting to be activated for the last five days, just to be in there and kind of prepare myself mentally,” Longoria said after the Rays’ 7-4, 13-inning loss to the Toronto Blue Jays on Saturday. “I don’t think it has any bearing on the timeframe (for his return to the lineup). I think we’re still going to be shooting for the first game in New York.”
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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He came off the DL on the 6th
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pulling for a delay tdogg?
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No No make no mistake
I want the Rays to win.
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LIAR!!!!!!!!!
LLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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he's trying reverse psychology.
the last bastion.
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lol.
“The playoffs, as everyone has stated are a bit of a crapshoot but that would be the best case "real" scenario for our boys.
Sox at Rays
Bsox at Angels.”
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Just woke up
Noticed that Minny is tied in the 6th?
Maybe some hope?
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Not now...
Mauer and Morneau with back-to-back singles with no outs. Royals threw in Ron Mahay to face Kubel.
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They have the Internet access at 26th and Cal?
;)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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LOL
KC can still get outta this inning. HAVE HOPE
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Huge inning by Ron Mahay!
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One wonders...
why he’s still a Royal, given how many contenders were looking for lefty relievers at the 7/31 deadline.
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Because the Royals are stupid...
Mahay is under contract for $4 million next year as well but the last thing a terrible team needs is a $4 million dollar lefty reliever.
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Sounds like our man for next year.
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you just can't enough of playing with other people's money, can you?
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Don't we have a mortal lock on the mid-range reliever
who costs $4MM/year market?
(Feeling MUCH better today, thank you. Best month of the year already.)
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(i didn't ask.)
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regards
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You didn't have to.
I didn’t ask whether or not you drank last night, either. I’m just totally comfy sharing. As a matter of fact, I am so comfy I believe I am going to take off my trousers right now.
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have you learned nothing from seinfeld? trousers off should be the default, to keep them nice and unwrinkled.
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ron mahay is ranked as the fifth best reliever in the AL by the elias rankings.
i’d need to be blown away by an offer to give him up if i were the royals. he’d basically have to die next year to lose his A status. and methinks the royals ain’t going to be so terrible next year…but i won’t say too much now or else i won’t be able to steal more alcohol from SSS posters and ballyb’s soon to be reconstructed face will remain unscathed.
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How many years are the Royals going to get to improve?
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i don't understand your question.
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i think he's taking a dig at your royals prediction at the beginning of the season.
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Well, every year they are supposed to have all of this talent...
and they never end up producing. It’s like the Rays without 2008.
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I don't think anyone actually expects the Royals to magically have it all together every season.
They just gained some form of competency with their new GM. It’s going to take a little while.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
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Oh, yeah, the Rays have been on everyone's list for years as being the "breakout" team.
What are you reading in order to glean that?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Wow, where have you been?
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same place i've been apparently.
where were all these predictions of the rays being anything more than bad, until this season?
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Year after year people talk about their farm system...
and how it will produce a good team sooner or later.
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ah.
not sure that’s the same as predicting a team will be good in a given season, which is what you seemed to be alluding to regarding the royals.
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They were the joke of the league, SSH
especially ownership. GMAB. Speak not of what you do not know.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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I read a few people...
who thought the Royals would be better than the White Sox this year.
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i think you may have been one of them, jer.
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I was one.
Amended 5/9/08.
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More than a few
Like you.
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Untrue.
I thought the White Sox would be battling for third, with the Twins. I didn’t know the Tigers and Indians would suddenly start sucking.
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Okay my bad
But I could have swore that even though you thought they might “battle” for 3rd you expected the team to bring up the rear.
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Nope.
I was way off (I said .500 was a best-case scenario, and they clinched a .500 record last night), but I never said the Sox would finish last. The Royals are awful.
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The neat thing about SSH is he always has a strategy.
If his present doomsday predictions aren’t working (a near certainty) he can drag out the past poor prognosticating of others.
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I didn't even know about Larry's prediction...
I have seen a lot of people talk about the Royals expected improvement due to their minor league prospects for the past few years and it hasn’t happened yet.
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i didn't really make much of a prediction, iirc correctly. at least not one with a great deal of substance behind it.
i think i said they’d win 80 games or something but that was more to make the point that i thought they’d be better than in prior years. obviously they haven’t done that, either.
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56-62-69 wins over three seasons
doesn’t that define improvement? winning more games each season?
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By that logic
77 wins next season. Climbing out of the cellar baby!
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LOL!!
Rec’d. Only because I care.
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The Royals...
need to find another halfway-decent starter or two if they’re going to be good.
A lot depends on how Hochevar develops. I’m not a fan of Davies or Bannister.
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Brian = Daddy.
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don't let your perception of dotel color your perception of davies now jer.
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If Davies ever learns to find the plate on a consistent basis...
he might be good. I’m not holding my breath, though.
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me neither. i just remember you using that trade to poo-poo on the dotel signing?
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Interesting Fact
Ivan Drago’s punch (fictional): Pg = 2150 psi
that’s a lot, my friends.
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
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Meth just kick in, cip?
Much respect.
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