White Sox Sweep First DoubleHeader Since '01
After the Rain Comes a Rainbow
Record rain fell on Chicago Saturday, postponing the White Sox scheduled doubleheader with the Tigers. Rain fell all afternoon and night on Friday, postponing that scheduled game to after the end of the "regular season." Rain fell all morning and into the early afternoon on Sunday, delaying the start of game one of the doubleheader by 3 hours and 11 minutes. According to head groundskeeper Roger Bossard, US Cellular Field saw about 9.5 inches of rain during the 50 hour span when the ACE hardware tarp saw more TV time than actual players. To his credit, the playing condition of the field was not an issue even with the record-setting rains.
The sun never came out; there wasn't any parting of the clouds, or a rainbow straddling the stadium; but there was baseball to be played. And after two days cooped up in flooded northern Chicagoland, that was good enough for me. With the Twins dropping a game to the faltering Orioles, the Sox had an opportunity to take advantage and pick up the 1.5 games they lost in their last doubleheader effort. And take advantage they did.
Vazquez Victorious, Verlander Vanquished
The White Sox have an incredible record against Justin Verlander. For some reason, they just seem to have the Detroit ace's number. But for the first half of the opening game, it looked like Verlander might have the Sox number on this night. Thankfully, Javier Vazquez was there to match him pitch-for-pitch.
The offense seemed content to help Verlander out in the early going, making an inning's worth of outs on the basepaths. Juan Uribe singled home Ken Griffey Jr. after he hit a double off the wall to put the Sox on the board after 5. That might have been enough for Vazquez, who altered his side-session schedule to be ready to go on short rest Saturday, but the offense didn't stop there. Alexei Ramirez added a solo-shot. And in the 8th, after Vazquez had been lifted, the Sox strung together a 2-run, 2-out rally.
That 4-0 lead headed to the ninth gave Ozzie Guillen some flexibility. I thought it would be a good time to turn to Scott Linebrink for some easy late-inning work to continue to ease him back into higher leverage situations. But Guillen decided to turn to Bobby Jenks, who has been getting hit around lately. The two runs he allowed were essentially meaningless, but he still brought the tying run to the plate for the second straight time in a non-save situation.
Wise, Thornton Rescue Wobbly Pen
John Danks was originally scheduled to pitch on Friday. In fact, his start was pushed to Sunday because he had gotten warmed up Friday when it still appeared as if the game would be played. So Ozzie had to keep an eye on the 23-year old southpaw who has seemed to tire over the last month. Danks showed no ill-effects from the impromptu side-session, and probably would have gone deeper into the game if not for the lingering concerns about his workload and a seemingly comfortable 7-0 lead. That lead would prove to be much more precarious than it seemed when Danks left the game and especially after ESPN cut the Carlos Zambrano no-hitter.
With the exception of Matt Thornton, the bullpen has provided no relief lately. In addition to Jenks troubles which I touched on above; the lightning has escaped DJ Carrasco's bottle; Octavio Dotel has allowed 8 homers, including the game-tying grand slam Sunday night, since the All-Star break; Linebrink is understandably rusty, and probably not 100% after spending 2 months on the DL; Ehren Wasserman has sprinkled brief outings of effectiveness in between long periods of awful. I think it says a lot about the shape of the White Sox pen that Mike MacDougal, who spent nearly the entire season wasting away in Charlotte, might be the best available right-hander right now. So, when the Sox managed to blow a 7-run lead over the span of about 25 minutes, it's hard (read: impossible, to those who possess critical thinking ability) to blame Ozzie for the blowup.
As quickly as the Sox lead disappeared at the hands of a grand slam allowed by their bullpen, it was given back by a grand slam off the bat of Dewayne Wise off an equally bad Tigers pen (read: Kyle Farnsworth). Wise, who drove in a key insurance run while starting in LF of the first game, earned himself some more playing time in Konerko's absence with his day of work, culminating in his pinch-hit, eventual game-winning slam and curtain call.
The two victories, which lowered the White Sox Magic Number to 13 and increased their division lead over the Twins to 1.5 games, were the spoonful of sugar to wash down the medicine that is the alarmingly shaky bullpen. The Sox will need to rely heavily on the pen down the stretch, as they eventually plan on throwing some starters on short rest. It goes without saying that the pen can not continue to pitch this poorly if the Sox have hopes of holding off the Twins in the final 13 or 14 games (if necessary).
Meta (Moron Prevention)
We get it. The bullpen blew a lead. Therefore, Ozzie is an idiot. You have AOL--don't they all--and you seem to think it's your god-given right to use it as an avenue to vent your misdirected rage.
Thanks to an influx of, how do I say this nicely--ah, fuck, who cares about being nice--short-bus riding mouth-breathers, who think that the ability to complete the registration process and string together 75 words gives them poetic license to infect this site with their own special blend of ill-informed stupidity, I've implemented a 24-hour waiting period for all new posters. This obviously won't effect any of the regular users here, but it should help curb the mongoloids who wish to misdirect their anger towards Ozzie and other troll-types.
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A few of the sister sites have that 24 hour waiting period
Its a good idea. Dotel’s fastball is just too flat now. That 1st half movement is gone. And JRE aside he scares the hell out of everyone now. Nevertheless huge wins yesterday. And despite all the drama huge props for Javy and Danks.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
SP comes up big, old guys holding firm.
HUGE. Let’s keep it rolling.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Ozzie said last night he's going to take BP on Tuesday
so unless something changed, no
by El Duque's Raft on Sep 15, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I get for listening to Jon Miller and Joe Morgan.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
why can't you apply the 24 hour waiting period to comments posted by ssh2005?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 8:45 AM CDT reply actions
now, now
remember that you’re supposed to be keeping a lid on it.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
did you take a look at yesterday's thread?
his timing was immaculate…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
you missing the point (not surprised)
sure it pissed me off, so i turned off my computer instead and read a book.
but to the point, like you, i don’t go off on SSS ‘only’ when the sox performance don’t meet my expectations. your one-dimensional comments are really annoying.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So instead, you stop watching the Sox when they aren't winning anymore?
So that’s how I can be a true fan like you? Ah okay, I get the point now.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Nice to throw cold water on a great night, SSH.
Burn down the village to save it. Always a good strategy.
How many contentious discussions can one man have in one/two days?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
SSH2005: If you don't badmouth the Sox at every turn, you're a Cubs fan
But if you trash the Sox while going out of the way to laud the Cubs, then you’re a Sox fan.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
I hate the Cubs...
Fuck Zambrano and his garbage no-hitter against a garbage lineup.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
The only reason I can get on board with abandoning the game, is because it was gameday you were watching, and that alone can escalate frustrations.
But it was still a tie!!
I didn’t think we were certain to lose just cuz they tied!! I wasn’t game ovaaa-ing because the game tied! If they gained 5 runs on us….sure….maybe…..
But don’t leave during a tie!
You missed Dewayne hitting a grannie! Jane Austen can wait!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah. dewayne really did a number on that old lady. looks like she'll be out at least 6-8 weeks.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
You sure that's a female?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i thought it looked like qaddafi
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Nehru (or at least the actor who played him in "Gandhi").
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i'd just like to give a shout-out to shuhana khan.
she’s one of our newer employees but she’s really taken to the character of “SSH2005”. her timing yesterday was indeed immaculate. she knows full well that SSH doesn’t post when things are going well but will rush to a computer, blackberry, palm pilot – anything with internet access – the moment things begin to look grim for the white sox. and then will just go on with some diarrhea-like whining. we gave her a bonus for her work yesterday: a goat.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 15, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If only my stand-in was so good...
Can I get an upgrade?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
One who likes baseball, preferably?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
no. you aren't essential for operations.
we prefer posters who increase, not decrease, traffic and posting.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
and don't write about what they did with their weekend.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
If anyone else had written that, I'd say something to the effect of, "sounds like a sweet night."
I thought it was a pleasant story – I’m not accustomed to getting hosted in such a lovely manner. Very rare, actually. I posted it in a crappy expired post too…
If you had told us about the crater-faced stripper at Blue Ballz over the weekend, I would not have given you shit about it.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
what happened this weekend? tell us about it.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
but i did not. see the difference? or are you still thinking about how uninteresting no-hitters are?
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Aw, your first fight.
When does the predictable ending happen (Now go make me a sandwich!)?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
when the back of my hand makes an appearance.
she’s soft. gotta toughen her up.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Yeah, get that beyotch in check once and she'll never leave you.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
No, just contemplating how much I hate baseball on the whole.
no-no’s are the least of my problem, let me tell you.
yaaaawwwwwwn to this sport.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I know that ain't true. It is proven that SSH decreases traffic and posting...
unless you count all the compaining about him. In which case, yes, comments are through the roof.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw, throwing him under the bus.
Bad form. Stand tall on your own.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
says the no show...
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
At least I am not saying that I am better for the site than SSH because he's negative.
I am fluff. Fluff of the Mountain!
You POS.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
mountain is a terrible porn name.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You are better for the site...
because you serve up the aged cock-meat sandwiches.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Fortunately the family-oriented employer I toil for
allows me no access to that site. I’m sure it’s safe for your kid to see, though.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
He's too young to know what daddy is doing...
when he’s serving up a cock-meat sandwich to mommy.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
hey i never said i was better for the site
in fact i said the opposite on a previous thread…
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry.... ahem.
I AM essential to this site – without me, there’d be no estrogen representation. Like it or not!
This place would turn into the equivalent of a virtual prison and you’d all have dicks in your ass by the end of the night, if it weren’t for me reminding you that women exist out there.
And I don’t mean the ones you post in slutty pictures on the site…real ones…who has something to say every now and then, who appreciates and shares a passion with you, and who keeps a little positivity rolling when SSH has taken over the site with his bullshit.
Also noted – I am one of the people who will tell SSH, in very articulate terms, why he is an aSSHole – Jim is another one….meaning, we take the time to show him why he sucks, in hopes that he might wake up and become a little more tolerable, rather than continue to taint an environment he SEEMS to love. That requires some respect when I could just otherwise ignore him and let him run amok – which I do most of the time only because I find our advice to him to be a complete waste of time.
If nothing else, I am an example of a bitch who can shut him up from time to time.
Essential to site value.
I shall read all the new comments since I began writing this now….
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
tee hee
you said ‘taint’
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 15, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I am catering to the American audience.
Those of you above the reading comprehension of what I just wrote (I am regretting not including pictures), I probably shouldn’t need to build a case to my essentiality. It is there…between the lines….
I’m the bitch that keeps Raul Ibanez in spirits between RBI’s against the Twins.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
if you can't fit it in the title line then you're writing too much.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
know what i's saying? ;)
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
nope. don't comprehend at all. Leigh went home, this is Ramandeep.
;)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
rammin' deep?
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Well, we do try to type-cast for your outsourced double.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
flagged. and i think she makes a strong case for why she should be banned.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
leave your domestic disputes out of this.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He gets irritable when he's hungry, I don't take it personally.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
seeing as what's going on today, you'd better have a hot meal ready when he gets home tonight.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
finally a gentleman who understands.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Toonder would have your dinner ready
and your bath drawn.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
OMG.
Edge. You’ve gone over the rainbow.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
worlds are colliding, toonder.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
look at how many posts responded to him yesterday. look at the posters calling him out after the wise slam.
ssh2005 is the rush limbaugh of this site.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
ssh2005 = ratings?
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
without the influence.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
so you post a picture of wiz?
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
( pours a little out of the 40 )
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 15, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
all you got for wiz is some mickey's or olde e? have some respect and pour out a little bit of the cris.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
a little dom p for the man who linked himself to death.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
I've only got coffee...
will black coffee do?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
pike's place?
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
then pour out a little coffee for the motherfucker.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
I just fucking did....
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I didn't
I was busy yesterday, and I’ll take your word that he was at his best, but fer chrissakes, ignore the fool.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
i turned off my gameday after the meltdown
that was a huge, huge win. i’m concerned about the bullpen, but what can ozzie do? that thornton trade looks better and better each time he takes the mound. did ozzie drag the bp under the bus during post-game interviews?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 8:48 AM CDT reply actions
You guys forgot...
the most exciting thing about last night – Alexei Ramirez drew a walk! You don’t see that too often.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 15, 2008 8:53 AM CDT reply actions
And he tired Rogers by threatening to steal...
little did Rogers know, he shoulda just let him go and there would have been the easy out at second.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
too true, too true
;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
This recap should have been titled, "Scrawny-ass Mutha-Fuckas Lead Us to Victory."
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
Crazy night
I am heavily invested in a 21 person/team football pool with a weekly payout of $100 and a massive $3200 payout to distribute to 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at the end of year. With action on the Steelers (god damnit another meaningless Romeo Crennel FG to cover the spread) I was only glancing in at the Sox after they went up 7-0.
I turned back in time to see Thames hit that shot and then back again in time to see Wise hit his. I’m glad I wasn’t around for the in between parts.
Does this stagger to the finish really surprise anyone? I just want to see some more baseball, I have no expectations of the Sox doing anything in the playoffs, but to lead the division for the stretch they have and lose it at the end would be bitter indeed.
Danks was great and got out after only 6 innings. I guess that’s both a positive and a negative. Oh well, great day for the Sox!
He could have thrown another inning
But there was no reason for him do that (at least thats what Ozzie thought). Hell like you said just get to the playoffs. Im not as worried about the bullpen there as Ozzie should hopefully extract decent innings from the starters in the post season.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
no he couldn't have.
let’s all remember the law of 2008 danks: do not send him out of for the 7th inning. punishable by multiple runs.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Considering less than 2 weeks ago he appeared to be hitting the wall
I’d agree with the decision to pull him. Hope to God he doesn’t have to go on 3 days rest.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Im not
And I agree with the decision. My point was as we come down the stretch or in the context of the playoffs, Danks could have thrown another inning if he had to. He didnt.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
No he couldn't. Yes, he could.
Water under the bridge. How’s your bank? Who are we playing tonight? What’s our magic number? THESE are the important questions today.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i would think the abilities of one of our starting pitchers is a rather important question. it's not a joke that danks should not pitch after the 6th inning. and the law isn't suspended because the sox are in a pennant race or something.
this is a problem with a bullpen that apparently can’t hold a lead. a couple weeks ago i would have suggested using carrasco almost exclusively as a caddy for danks and the fifth starter. now i don’t know what to do since the bullpen is a mess. at this point, the sox basically need to get 7 innings or more out of their starters. and they have two starters who are incapable of doing so and obviously can expect other starters to not be able to do it in some starts, as well. the loss of jose the innings eater contreras looms large.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
You overstate things
If that is a playoff game I really dont get your resistance to the notion that Danks could have thrown another inning. I won’t argue about it though we just have to disagree.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
No joke. What I am suggesting is that you are engaged in a purely theoretical
discussion that has an answer that cannot possibly be divined, which is “could he have thrwon another inning last night”? Maybe yes, maybe no. Can he throw into the 7th in the future? Doubtful, based upon previously asserted info, but again, who knows? He might be a better 7th inning option than our relievers Gasoline, Kerosene, and Nitroglycerine. IF there is a decision to be made I’m sure it’ll be made on an inning-by-inning basis. (And I am on record agreeing with you, remember. Times is different now, though, because of our “thinness”.) There are probably no hard and fast rules presently. We’re looking at 1930’s type situations (pitchers might have to pitch longer, on fewer days rest) because of our lack of depth. Might also be a good time for a young pitcher to step up like our 30 year old late-inning scrub hero has.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
no. danks should not pitch after the 6th inning. this is not a theoretical discussion.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
lol
Right because in no game does it make sense. Give me a break. You just feel like arguing today?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
i've gone over this one before ad nauseum. ozzie has tried it. it hasn't worked. unless the entire bullpen has been killed in a freak meteorite strike during the game, he should not pitch past the 6th.
it’s not good for the team and it’s certainly not good for danks. i’ve said a couple times now this isn’t a joke. as you well know, i rarely make categorical statements. i’m making one now.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
larry is serious as a heart attack.
You have been warned. He has his finger on the button. Do not trifle. I categorically mean it.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Loss of Contreras has never not loomed large, imo. Of our 4 fallen soldiers, he is the hardest loss to stomach, even more so than Q.
I have to agree with larry on this one – pull him before his illustrious 7th inning work. Our bullpen has enough trouble getting outs without runners on base, waiting for them.
DJ looked like a nice bullpen option to relieve Danks. Past tense. So did Linebrink. Past tense. I haven’t given up entirely on DJ yet, but obviously he ain’t to be completely trusted.
So currently, it appears Thorny is the only one to be trusted out of that pen. And he can work more than one inning (and more than one game per day!). As long as we have him working, let’s use him for a long relief and get our starters out and rested. It’s not ideal, but it is utilizing what we’ve got – which is a shaky 4-man rotation.
I admit I was not fond to see Dotel pitching, but it seems like a 5-run lead is a pretty damn good time to put him in, if ever. Sadly, he could not even keep that lead for Danks. That grand slam was incredibly predictable – I saw it happen before he even pitched the damn ball…unfortunately right after a really nice pitch to strike out Sheffield too – I momentarily thought Dotel was going to get out of that….
It took us 11 runs to win this ballgame -and in a sense, we needed every last one of them.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
*shaky 4-man rotation, with tired pitchers who we will hopefully need in October.
….I should say.
I think our starters have really done exceptionally overall…but we can’t abuse them if we want them to continue performing beyond their experience.
Danks is now into more starts than ever before in his career.
Let’s play it smart – especially when we have a huge lead and don’t “need” him to keep going.
How could any of us really disagree with getting bullpen in with a 7-run lead last night?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree with Larry on what?
Did you even read the exchange? No one wanted Danks in the game after the 6th last night. That is so not the point and Danks has not been close to being abused.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
well, i agree the sox have treated him with kid gloves to the fullest extent possible.
and you’re generally “abusing” pitchers to one degree or another simply by sending them out to do something which is anatomically inadvisable. all that said, in a vacuum, at this point danks is starting to be “abused” by simply being used. while he’s pitching better since what i would call a dead arm period, his mechanics have been slightly altered. i don’t know if this is a conscious thing by coop and danks based upon something they saw or if this is a more unconscious thing because of fatigue or, god forbid, injury. and there’s no way around the sox using danks for the rest of the year because this is a pennant race and the sox have no one who can come even close to providing what he does. but this is a razor’s edge situation. how guillen treats him over the next month may well be the difference between danks pitching 30 games next season or pitching 10. results aside, i’m extremely concerned by what i’ve seen over the last five starts from him.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
It certainly appears that I missed one of your comments.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
merrill lynch!
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
How's it feel to be part of history, MM?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
exciting. and stressful. getting a lot of texts from family and friends asking what the hell is going on.
i’ve traded more volume already today than i’ve ever done in one day before.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
taking a break right now. i'm drained.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
so i guess ssh can stop ragging on hawk for saying dewayne wise would play a big role down the stretch.
if he doesn’t do anything else, his performance in the two games yesterday was big.
like i said during the first game, i could almost like wise if he could just play defense. it’s pretty hard to argue, however, with the 6.8 VORP he’s put up in just 91 PAs.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
soxmachine also has good coverage of the wise story
http://soxmachine.com/blogs/soxmachine/archive/2008/09/15/13863.aspx
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Damn, he is good, that guy who writes for that site. We could really use his insight on SSS.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
If the bullpen wasn't so terrible, Wise's granny isn't needed there...
Also, if Quentin and Konerko don’t get injured, Wise doesn’t get any playing time. It’s not like Hawk knew that both would get injured and Wise would end up seeing a lot of playing time.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
don't argue with logic.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Forget it, he's on a roll.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
is it time to go solo?
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Sep 15, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
i just now read this, but know that i appreciate it. and i was given that tape at my 5th grade b-day party.
and also, i’m havin’ a roni.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Share, pls, for the oldsters. What am I missing?
(Yawning opening here.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
vanilla ice
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Sep 15, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
you said the first part and wsmatt completed the rest of a vanilla ice line.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Got it - thanks.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
i wasn't trying to stop him.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
You know the line. It was appropriate in its context. Who cares what you meant?
’Gater gets it. You POS.
;)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Bluto says...

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
Hawk was wrong...
Wise was not needed at the time and was not going to get any playing time in the future. Hawk did not know that both Quentin and Konerko (who were healthy at the time he made the comment) were going to get injured and that Wise would then get a lot of playing time.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
nope. hawk was right. his assertion included nothing of what you write and thus what you write is totally irrelevant. you lose.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Nope...
Unless Hawk thought / knew that both Quentin and Konerko would get injured, his guess that Wise would be huge down the stretch was based on nothing more than the hot air that comes out of his mouth and his ass. Wise is collecting splinters in his ass if either one or both of Quentin and Konerko stay healthy. It was a ridiculously stupid comment then that looks good now because both Quentin and Konerko got injured.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
you know, it's okay to utilize the old adage of the blind squirrel.
i thought it was laughable when hawk said it, too. but his “feeling” was right.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
no predictions can ever be right unless you know exactly what will happen in the future. got it.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
Did anyone expect two major injuries like that?
No and neither did Hawk.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Unforeseen injuries are why bench players exist in the first place
But continue grasping at straws.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
Jim, as long as we are getting into the futuristic thing,
how many visitors will you have after tonight’s game? And how many will you have solicited to the site?
Hooh-a.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Hawk is also the same guy...
who said that Carlos Gomez was one of the best young players in baseball. Meanwhile, he is getting less AB’s and was dropped from the leadoff spot to ninth in the Twins lineup.
Grasping at straws? Ummm, no.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
How is this meaningful to the discussion?
Bringing up an instance of Hawk being wrong doesn’t automatically make him wrong in this.
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Sep 15, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless...
…you want to invite people to bring up your repeated assertions that KW was stupid for not signing Andruw Jones every time you try some seat-of-the-pants analysis.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
Whatever...
You are going to waste time defending a stupid, insane old homer because you want to argue with me. Go try to get laid sometime.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
You wish Jim had a problem getting laid!
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
you should have just stopped at "I will just call it horribly lucky."
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Ah yes, another personal attack in lieu of actual substance for the topic at hand.
Congratulations for branching out, though. It’s slightly less creepy than searching for pictures of me.
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
i'm gonna go ahead and say: stalker activity >>>>> photographs construed as odd.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Don't make me post the photo again...
It is all the proof I need. Pretty gay photo.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Please.
Jim is the BA of SSS.
Keeps the honies happy.
don’t playa-hate.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
his hate is not limited to the playas.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
the wit is white hot in here tonight
....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts
denard span.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
so your problem is that you feel hawk was right for the wrong reasons?
and even though no one else cares other than to say that hawk was right, you still feel the need to argue that it doesn’t count?
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
The point is...
anyone who fluffs every damn Sox player like Hawk does each and every night is going to be right when one of them is finally successful. He also thought Pablo Ozuna was a key part of the team. Meanwhile, where is Ozuna now? The guy is like that roadie chick who wants to eat every member of Metallica’s cock-meat sandwich. He is a shill who thinks that every player in the Sox organization has great promise.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Ozuna is the force behind the Dodgers's run to the post-season!
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
i don't disagree with your sentiment here. i wish you just would have said that in the first place and no one would have differed.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
A team that has...
Griffey and Dye on it maybe shouldn’t be shocked if someone gets hurt, and should probably keep some extra outfielders around.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 15, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
At the time, both Quentin and Konerko were healthy...
and the Sox already had an extra outfielder with Griffey around.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
*sigh*
I really hate spelling things out.
With an outfield of Quentin, Griffey, and Dye, and Paul Konerko on the verge of playing himself out of the lineup (before he got hot a few weeks ago), whoever the fourth outfielder is was likely to get a lot of playing time. Considering that Brian Anderson is on the team’s shit list for whatever reason, there was no reason why Wise wouldn’t get playing time.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 15, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really
Even more breakdown
1. Q! (which I dearly miss typing) had never played a full major league season.
2. JD is kinda old and needs days off to keep healthy.
3. Swish isn’t that great in the OF and needs days at 1B to stay sane.
4. Griffey is Griffey.
5. Kong was hurt and not doing much until his recent tear, which ended with an almost tear.
6. BA hit on KW’s wife or something and isn’t allowed to play often.
7. Thome is also old and shouldn’t play 1B too often.
Breaking all that down, it sure is nice to have Wise around. While no on could have predicted the exact injuries or slumps that happened this year, planning ahead is what you are supposed to do and it looks like KW did a solid job of this by landing Wise.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
pretty good for a moron.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, sure, he's a Big Ten guy.
What do you expect?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
I think you are correct,
but I’d still take it as a compliment.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Kind of a backhanded one
and can’t you hate on the Pac-10, ACC, or Big east? they suck
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
I'm a Pur-don't guy
Not hating. You are being defensive, sir.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
for a second I was thinkgin "Fuck you Toonder"
but yeah, figured it out
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
yes, i can understand how that might have happened.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
The Swisher trade doesn't look too hot these days...
Sweeney is almost matching Swisher’s OPS.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
swisher isn't hot in 2008
but i’m still going to wait until next year’s performance before i evaluate the trade. haven’t followed gio much this year, how is he doing?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully, next season...
Swisher will stop whiffing and missing changeups and curveballs by two feet.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
you suck at analysis.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
So Swisher doesn't whiff horrible at changeups and breaking balls?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
in a way that's meaningful to talk about?
i have no idea. i don’t see why it’s relevant. your brain malfunctions any time it runs into a pertinent question, apparently. its next choice inevitably is to spew out some weird seemingly related but actually completely unimportant pointed question. hence Monsignor Non Sequitur.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
maybe if you did a detailed analysis
of his problems with curves and changes last year versus this year, appropriately contexualized them and threw up a fanpost, i might be inclined to give two fucks about the things you say. frame of reference means nothing to you.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
What does it matter?
The trade is a bust so far because of Swisher’s performance on its own.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Swisher's performance on his own
are you fucking kidding me?? A trade involved two teams dumbass. You have to analyse the impact of all players involved (on their respective teams) before evaluating.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
where the hell did this come from?
and seriously. who is going to be the better player next season? holy hell.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
mmm...rhetorical...
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
JRE, I forgot your nickname is "Rooster".
In 1976, after Ted Turner — another antiestablishment owner — purchased the Braves, that team became home to some of the most colorful jersey names in baseball. There was Roadrunner (Ralph Garr), Knucksie (Phil Niekro), Cannon (Jimmy Wynn) and Rooster (Jerry Royster).
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
the guy has been hot lately. remember, he guaranteed victory against halladay last week.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
the sox lost that game. i knew it without even watching or checking a box score.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So are you saying that Hawk was 'Wise after the event'?
....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts
clever twat ;-)
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 15, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Mr. Michaels, great recaps. Thank you.
Didn’t have time to post/watch yesterday.
PS What is this “SoxMachine” site of which you (generic "you") are speaking? I must click on it one of these days.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
have you heard of the band 'Soft Machine'?
the singer broke his back after falling through a hole whilst tripping on Acid. He’s now in a wheelchair.
regards
....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts
"Don't Do Drugs"...good lesson for the kids.
When I hear those stories I think, “What a dumbass.”
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
Hey Hey DeWayne!
Hey Hey Rerun!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
I'll take a rerun of last night any night the rest of this month.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Minus the bullpen
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
Screw it, even with the bullpen
as long as they keep winning, I don’t give a fuck.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Anyone with a quick primer on the Aceves fella we face tonight?
Colin?
//insert joke about it being 10:20 a.m. and colin most certainly not being up yet
I suppose that'll work, but...
hard-thrower? Soft-tosser with a good change? I’d “do some fucking research” myself but — coincidentally enough — I’m headed to my business law class in about a minute.
Is that a 2-hit shutout I smell?
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
either that or your upper lip.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope...that smells like Cheetos
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
Sorry to hear that.
Mine smells like my wife.
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. Once a month.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
my mate richard
got a gammy lip from licking out a prossie in Bradford, the dirty bastard, it took ages to heal up as well.
regards
....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts
by hoodlight on Sep 15, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
afternoon delight or failure to shower this morning?
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, financial meltdown of the CENTURY and I'm in the sack with the wife.
(I can’t even type the next lie. OK, I showered! GD it, Toonder, I see why Uncle Sugar hired you. I must tell the truth! Happy now? You POS.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It's about time
they let one of these banks go bust instead of shovelling tax money at them in a futile attempt to keep them afloat.
....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts
in 2008, shovelling money = Locke's invisible hand
didn’t you get that memo?
tax money used to help bail out the wealthy = good = free market capitalism
tax money used to help non-wealthy = bad = communism
;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
So, it's the red M & M's that are taking over this site
good to know. Those bastards are going down!
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
I never did get that
is that’s what’s called a paradox?
....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts
Nope, it's American capitalism
keep lobbing them up there, hoodie!
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
I'm not joking either
We’ve got a bank here ‘Northern Rock’ bailed out to the tune of around 80 billion quid of our tax money, it’s a fucking disgrace
....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts
it's is a disgrace, but I see the British gov't been a bit more up front with the people
about social / corporate welfare than the American gov’t.
I’ll end it there so this doesn’t tailspin into a political discussion.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
you communists don't have discussions, you have pep rallies.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
reading comprehension is not your strong point, is it?
I’m a columnist, not a communist
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
Once a month? Good for you!
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
It looks like your avatar is giving him an enthusiastic thumbs-up.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
He just got called up
so he isn’t in the database as of yet. I’d never even heard of the guy until now.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Liking the matchups
Looking at the 4 game set, this guys is the best we’ll face. Then we get Petitte, Hughes of his 9.00 ERA and Pavano with his 5+ ERA. Going to the game tonight, hope Buerhle tosses another gem and we can spread our lead. Plus, Minny gets Cliff Lee, so we got that going for us, which is nice.
God will strike Cliff Lee down with a well placed meteorite before He lets him pitch against the Twins
It would risk God being wrong and that goes back to the whole infalliable thing from Dogma… world ending and crap
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Sep 15, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Pavano left the game yesterday injured, I believe.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
He was booed off the mound in the 6th, IIRC.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 15, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Troof.
That was funny as hell. No love, no love.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
And it was his left hip, iirc.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
it's usually a good bet that pavano left a game because of injury.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
probably looking at mlb probables.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers.jsp?c_id=cws
mussina would be thursday. pavano pitched yesterday and, even if he weren’t hurt, he sure wouldn’t be coming back on short rest.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Paul Konerko (7 DXL)
It’s taking a bit longer than any of us expected to get Konerko back on the field. The Sox have taken the long view and been very conservative with him. He’s expected to return on Monday weather permitting, but even then, sources tell me that the Sox are planning on giving him more offdays, especially if they’re able to clinch a playoff spot. Konerko shouldn’t have any problems playing with the knee in terms of risking further damage. The concern is how the knee will respond to playing—the possible onset of any swelling or pain—and whether the bracing he’ll need will limit his mobility. The knee will likely not need off-season surgery; MCLs are not normally repaired since there are adequate secondary stabilizers in most cases.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8076
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
"and whether the bracing he’ll need will limit his mobility."
Because if you take Konerko’s speed out of his game, really, what does he have left?
White Sox, that’s baseball.
Matchup: White Sox (83-65) at Yankees (79-70), 7:05 p.m. ET
Probable Starters: Mark Buehrle (192 2/3 IP, 4.53 RA, 1.33 WHIP, 123 K) vs. Alfredo Aceves (14, 1.29, 0.86, 9)
Pythagorean Record: Chicago, 83-65 (747 RS, 655 RA); New York, 78-71 (719 RS, 686 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Chicago, #6; New York, #10
Prospectus: New York welcomes the White Sox into Yankee Stadium for the final time tonight, the start of the second-to-last series that will ever played in the venerable old ballpark. Even though the Yankees won’t be sending the House that Ruth Built out with any playoff games, they have managed to summon the old legends during this final homestand. Derek Jeter went 3-for-4 in yesterday’s victory over the Rays to tie Lou Gehrig for the most hits at Yankee Stadium, 1,269 in all, although he still stands 191 hits behind the Iron Horse for the all-time franchise mark. Alex Rodriguez contributed to Sunday’s win as well, hitting a grand slam, the 17th of his career. Only Manny Ramirez has more among active players, with 20; Gehrig owns the all-time mark, with 23. The long ball was the 34th of the season for A-Rod, and one more will give him a 12th season with 35 or more, moving the third baseman into a tie with Babe Ruth for the most 35-plus homer campaigns in history (as the Baseball-Reference Stat of the Day recently uncovered). Rodriguez’s slam also gave him exactly 100 runs and 100 RBI on the season, the 11th straight year he has reached those marks. He now has 12 such campaigns overall, which ties him with Babe Ruth for the second most all-time behind—care to take a guess?—Gehrig, who scored and drove in 100 or more in 13 seasons.
Thirteen seasons is also the magic number for the Yankees’ streak of playoff appearances which will come to an end this year. Chicago, meanwhile, went a long way towards advancing for the first time since its 2005 title run with yesterday’s sweep of a doubleheader against the Tigers combined with the Twins’ loss, which put the Pale Hose 1½ games ahead in the AL Central with 14 games left. Tonight’s game starts the critical stretch for Chicago, as it plays 10 in a row on the road, the final three of which will be in Minnesota.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Time to strap it on. (Yeah, they've been coasting up until now.)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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Last nite...
…for pure entertainment value, that might’ve been the game of the season. An act two plot point that will drive us into the 3rd act.
Quit talking like a screenwriter
and get on your cellphone to hammer out a few deals, you namedropper, you.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
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I am stunned.
THE Stanger? Whose Mom was known as “Chest”?
You are a lucky guy.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
are you speaking in ancientese again?
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Wiki is beeyootiful.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
A year too late
He was terrible down the stretch last season
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I like it...
It’s not like he’s a good manager anyways. Yost has sucked for quite some time.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
no one on the astros has gotten a hit.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 15, 2008 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the astros are amazing batsmen?
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
Well, they still have Berkman, Tejada, and Pence...
but year, the rest of their lineup is an embarrassment.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Only 13 homers as a right-handed hitter with the Crawford Boxes?
Someone is off the juice.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
did it include swisher??
you think he is off the juice???
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
It just looks like Swisher is not as good as advertised...
Throw a changeup or curveball to him and he’s an easy out.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
Yeah, it's over. He's done. Shoot him now.
Pining for R. Sweeney right now…
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Nope...
Just goes to show how awful Swisher has been this season.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
as awful as 142 games of a 96 OPS+ can be
damn, we had an average 1B/OF that we traded 3 guys who may not pan out for. get the angry mob ready to storm the Cell
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
awful?
you really can’t discern anything between “awful” and “great”, can you?
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
average player = 100 ops+. swisher = 96 ops+. 100 > 96. 96 = awful.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Below average...
But considering it was supposed to be a big trade to help the offense, he has been awful.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
there you go again changing the subject.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Changing the subject?
Swisher was the biggest acquisition of the offseason and he looks like a bust so far.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
did anyone see entourage last night?
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
How much does Kenny pay you...
to eat his cock-meat sandwich all day long on a Sox message board?
Swisher has been a bust this year for what he was expected to be. That’s a fact. Next year might be different, but right now, he looks like a shitty offensive player.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
The "why" constantly baffles you doesn't it?
Apply just a modicum of the analytical tools that have been advanced by the stout statisticians of the SABR world in the past 10 years and maybe you’ll come up with real analysis.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
so in order to actually get information
that has worth (i.e. predictive value), you’d have to be a nerd. you’d rather be a computer programmer that doesn’t get laid because of your wife’s PPD. i think you’re struggling with some pretty basic definitional deficiencies here.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
where can i look up line drive %?
i feel like i found it on baseball reference before, but now i’m searching for it and am coming up with nothing
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Sep 15, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
fangraphs
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
you got it right there in your own post.
referring to swisher as a bust based on expected return in a trade is one thing.
referring to his actual play as compared to other players is something else.
you mix and match the two as though they’re the same.
see colin’s post above re: pertinent questions/answers.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
you have to walk him through the basics of logic
i mean come on. if he wasn’t such an institution here, he’d be a troll.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
OK, now that's funny in any language.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
larry...
Planning on having kids some day?
You are on the Bad Karma train, my friend.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
Same if he plans on owning pets...
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
does he actually?
because someone without any concept of BABIP and LD% and results-based evaluation might make that argument, i guess.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
an inequality!
i just taught those today. makes me feel good about myself that someone actually uses them
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Sep 15, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
normally one uses the range of 95-105 to define an average player.
but that’s another shade of gray that we’d want to make sure SSH misses.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
similar to the inability to discern the difference between "homers" and people who lean toward a little analysis.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
or quentin?
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe that would really surprise anyone...
I think I used to think that baseball was a pure sport back when I was ten years old.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
does that come with potato salad?
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
who knows, who cares. his decline from his peak looks exactly like one would expect for a 34 year old with his skillset.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Like Thome, who is 4 years older, or JD, who is 4 months older
Of course, Miggy played a lot of games in a row – 1152 – and at a much more physically and mentally taxing position. But he ain’t really, really, old.
Always hating on the age thing, larry.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
you really need to stop this. i think everyone, including you, knows the point i'm getting at. there are always exceptions. that doesn't mean dye and thome are on steroids.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
I never intimated that.
I just wish you would not hit your argument “default” button and have it come up “age”.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
why not? it's the primary reason for why players begin to decline after they reach age 30 or so.
i’m sorry you don’t like rudimentary baseball analysis. get over it.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
It's the "rudimentary" part.
You castigate most posters for not analyzing and falling back on cliches, then discuss “rudimentary” analysis. Generally what makes your analysis good is that you go beyond the cliche. So, in this instance, what makes one older guy better than another, especially when they’ve had comparable histories?
Be consistent.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
who had comparable histories?
why must i explain the rule instead of the exception? seems like it should be the other way around. at any rate, i wasn’t looking to get into some long, winding argument that – by the way – generally doesn’t provide a good answer as to why one player ages more gracefully than another. i was merely pointing out that is was more likely (see that phrase being used?) that age was the important factor and not steroids. simple. i don’t care much about miguel tejada and certainly not enough to waste my time getting into it.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
what of it?
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of people from Chicago made the trip up to see the game.
The Astros are understandably upset, but these things happen. Maybe if they had been more proactive, they could have had the games in Atlanta or Tampa Bay or something.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 15, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeez, they couldn't commit to another place before the hurricane decided to hit there.
Idiots.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
mclane did drag his feet and insist on the games being played in houston and forced mlb to make a decision for him. should have been more proactive (assuming they actually cared where they played).
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Well, when you have unpredictable hurricanes (redundant?) and a large
potential financial loss if you make a horse$H!T decision where you are 2nd guessed (like now) for all eternity, it might make you stop and think. I still here about Hurricane Charlie coming up Punta Gorda and not Tampa Bay way, and that was 4 years ago. Can’t blame the Houston man, especially after last year having similar warnings.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
yes. you can blame him. it's simple phone call to mlb and then to a team to ask if you can hold your baseball games there, in case you can't hold it in your home ballpark. the astros refused to do that.
methinks you weren’t following the situation very closely. the astros were intransigent and they got what they deserved for it.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
Good guess.
I don’t track the Astros much, nor their weather concerns. So sue me.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
a default answer for the astros is "their owner fucked things up"
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
true
my favorite hurricane game still comes from the expos and marlins playing at the cell
that’s perfect neutrality
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
I wish I could have gone to one of those games
did you make it to see them?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
nope
unfortunately as a junior in high school my parents thought ditching school to see an NL game played in our home stadium was not important.
Which led to me making the deal about going to the victory parade if the Sox won it in 05 the day after we signed Pierzynski. Not claiming omnipotence, but I thought we would be good and lucked out. Got to ditch on my dad’s birthday my senior year.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
Heh -- that particular story sounds just like mine.
My parents had no chance of winning the “me skipping school* to go to the Sox parade” debate."
*Which was, coincidentally enough, my senior year of high school as well.
i think i'd rather play in front of hostile fans than an empty ballpark.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
No lie, Bwana.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Target Field?
Jesus that sounds awful. I mean, U.S. Cellular still doesn’t sound that great, but Target Field? Way to go Twins.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
TGT is based in MN, is VERY "green" and "rainbowy" (if you catch my drift).
and they won’t pull an Enron (or Merrill -BWAHAHAHA!!!) and be out of business in 5 years. I think it’s perfect for the Twinkies.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
There aren't any mountains in shitasota
so your picture makes no sense.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
green rainbow, crack whore.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
reading comprehension, hippie
“green” and “rainbowy” followed by “if you catch my drift” does not a green rainbow (or what looks to be the northern lights) make.
and just because I prefer crack to beer doesn’t mean you have to discriminate against me.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
He doesn't have to, he just chooses to.
What are we, Russia?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
Well, larry does think this site has been taken over by communists
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
My little sister is going to school up there
I visted and think its pretty nice, if I can get some time off of work I may try to go up there for the terrordome series
Nice place to visit
but I feel for your sister.
I also went to school up there. On a whole, the people I ran into suck. I think it’s a cultural difference, actually. Young people take themselves way too seriously up there. The older crowd can actually laugh at themselves and are fun to be around. Add in the weather and you have a shitty place to end up for 9 months of the year.
Not that I’m bitter or anything. ;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
ozzie taking up half the article on quotes this week (in BP)
THE CLOSER HE GETS TO A PENNANT, THE SANER OZZIE GETS
“Players have to learn you can be frustrated and upset, but you can’t do some things. You’re always going to lose that battle.”
—White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen
“You hurt the ballclub, but you have to move on. We played two games without him and won one.”
—Guillen
“I have nothing to lose. Everybody I put in the eighth has been getting hit, so why not put the guy that should be there.”
—Guillen
“Well, it’s not the best thing in the world when we have a doubleheader. I don’t remember having a happy face after we leave after a doubleheader.”
—Guillen
“Are we going to miss this guy? Of course. But if I feel sorry for everyone, I’ll lose the respect of the players.”
—Guillen on Joe Crede’s injury. (Mark Gonzales, Chicago Sun-Times)
DON’T LET THEM TELL YOU WHAT TO DO OZZIE
“When they sent me to the crazy guy—what is that? This guy told me I was crazy, I need anger management. Shut the f*ck up. You don’t know, you don’t know my life. You went to f*cking Harvard, and you’re gonna spend time talking to Ozzie Guillen, who got eighth grade? You should feel embarrassed. You know what? How many employees you got in your office? Let’s trade f*cking jobs for a week to see who handle it better. Just because I called one guy that?”
—Ozzie Guillen, on being sent to anger management therapy.
“My wife say every year, ‘Look at those players, they take care of themselves better than you do. Every year, they get bigger and stronger. You out of shape through spring training.’ She say, ‘Why you don’t take care of yourself like they do? They no drink, they no do anything.’ Now, I get the last laugh. I’m normal, I’m healthy, I’m happy. I no have to deal with that shit. I no have to answer anybody’s questions. I tell my players, ‘You get caught with that shit, don’t tell me. I’m not gonna (expletive) protect you, I’m gonna throw you under the train.”
—Guillen
“I got Cubs fans who are friends. I say (expletive) you. The Cubs fans, they’re cocky. They’ve been (expletive) for a lot of years, but they’re cocky. They let you know they’re number one in town. But I got a lot of friends with the Cubs. Lou Piniella, I love that man. That’s my goal—manage that many years. The best thing that happened to (expletive) Chicago is Lou Piniella and Ozzie Guillen in the same (expletive) town. (Expletive) the boring-(expletive) guys every day. Some people have to be politically correct, some people have to be (expletive) up. That’s Lou Piniella and Ozzie Guillen.”
—Guillen (The Sporting News)
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 3:34 PM CDT reply actions
I love this guy. Really. I want to have margaritas with him. Lots.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
ozzie after margaritas with wu...

i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
At least he'd still have hit head attached to his body, Mr. RedRum.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
agreed.
With chips and salsa.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
venezuela's known for their rums
bullshitting about baseball over a bottle of pampero or santa teresa, now we’re talking

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 15, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever works. I'm game.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
1.) Anyone see that Eddings botched another call last night?
2.) Anyone see Griffey take BA by the ears and shake his head a little in the dugout? That was cute.
(Thanks batting coach, General!)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
Thank God we're in first
or we’d really be showing some internal site hostility. Need a new thread, pronto, before mass torture/elimination occurs. Or we need a Cubs or Yankees poster so we can rip them a new one.
Is there a game tonight? Anyone of interest? (Jeter should be all geeked up to be the Spank with the most hits at Yankee Stadium, passing Gehrig with his next one. I say “Nyet!”)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
do you fart in their general direction?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 15, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I certainly do...
while yelling “your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries”.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
I can pretend
HEY GUYS DID YOU HEAR BIG Z HAD A NO NO YESTERDAY!!!!! I AM SURPRISED A HOLIDAY WAS NOT DECLARED TODAY
we're always just barely above the
“Everyone is ripping each other to shreds” line.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
I'll sit on the bomb. I live in NYC and root for NYY when not playing the White Sox.
by Crede's Crew on Sep 15, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't imagine rooting for the Yank-offs nor the red sucks, no matter where I lived
If I found out I was somehow related to one of the players and he was able to score me crack and get me laid, I might change my mind.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
I've never really had a problem with the Yankees
It was like that asshole kid in high school who admitted he was an asshole. I always hated Boston. They were the self-righteous douche bag who whined about how big of a dick the honest asshole was, but did the same shit too. I always respected the assholes who had no qualms about being what they were and admitted to it. Same feelings towards the Yanks.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
instead of directing my contempt towards ssh,
i’m taking dead aim on jeter
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
i would have more respect for him if he had let arod play ss
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 15, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
i would have more respect for him if people stopped sucking him off all the time
and had a reasonable analysis of his play as opposed to making him out to be the second best player ever.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
just heard on xm radio. robinson cano (and his .396 OPS in september) is being benched tonight
apparently he is not being benched for sucking, but rather for lack of effort on a play yesterday. cody ransom will start in his place.
and yes, that .396 is his OPS this month, not his OBP.
brian anderson would've caught that...
Are you saying Cano's playing time is being held for Ransom?
Hi yo!
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
Good one
and I’d rather see Ransom than Cano, suckage or not
by Crede's Crew on Sep 15, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Ransom, sporting the OPS+ of 242 (in 21 PAs)
I’d rather see them both trip on the dugout stairs.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
242? wu has an OPOS+ of infinity.
i'm a victim of circumstance.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 15, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Tough to argue with the numbers WU puts up, that's for sure.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

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