Offense Absent at Richard's Broadway Show
by Christopher Michaels on Sep 18, 2008 12:10 AM CDT
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Ozzie Guillen and the White Sox made a shrewd move by waiting until the last possible minute to announce Clayton Richard as Wednesday's starter, and were rewarded with a surprisingly good outing. But Ozzie pushed his luck a little too much, and the shaky Sox pen put the game out of reach in short order.
I was confused in the lead up to this game that nobody in the mainstream media seemed to think Clayton Richard would get the start. To me, he seemed to be the obvious choice. The Yankees aren't the Royals, after all, and have a number of good left-handed hitters. So, even though Richard isn't a major league starter, he was still a better option than Lance Broadway for this game. Heck, even Broadway was dropping hints this week. Though I can't seem to find the exact quote now, Broadway said something like "they haven't told me" in regards to whether he was getting the start Wednesday.
For 6 innings, Richard make the Sox look like geniuses. He skated through the first 5 innings giving up only 1 hit, and worked out of trouble in the 6th, striking out Derek Jeter with 2 men on to end the inning. In the 7th inning however, Richard was unable to extricate himself from some self-induced trouble.
Richard walked the incredibly unclutch Alex Rodriguez, who advanced to second on Jason Giambi's groundout. With two outs and Xavier Nady due up, Ozzie came out for a mound visit, but didn't pull Richard, who had only given up 3 hits in his 6.2 innings of work.
Ozzie should have pulled him there. Richard isn't one of the other 4 starters, and isn't deserving of the long leash I've called for just a few days ago. Heck, he had never gone this deep into a major league game before. But with the bullpen as poor as it's been, it was hard to argue with leaving Richard in for one more batter. The results begged to differ. Richard quickly fell behind Nady, and then gave up a single back up the middle to even the score at one, the incredibly unclutch A-Rod scoring the tying run.
That definitely should have been Richard's last batter. But Ozzie left him, with Robinson Cano, who had 2 of the 4 Yankees hits in the game, due up. Cano quickly doubled down the right field line, and only then, with the go-ahead run 90 feet from home did Ozzie go to his pen. Predictably, they provided no relief. But it might have been a different situation if Ozzie had tried harder to protect the Sox lead.
Even though Ozzie made his mistakes in this game, it's easy to place too much blame on him for the Sox loss. The real loser in this game was the Sox offense. 5 times they put the leadoff man on base, including 3 leadoff doubles. Yet they were only able to productive out their way into 1 run, let alone any actual hitting with men on base.
The Sox dropped their record to 9-31 when they fail to hit a HR, highlighting their inability to produce runs in other ways.
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"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 12:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That last line is sickening...
The Sox dropped their record to 9-31 when they fail to hit a HR, highlighting their inability to produce runs in other ways.
Wow, that is bad. This is one of the worst offenses to watch if they aren’t hitting homers and when they get guys on base, they seem to go into homerun mode like some idiot playing “MLB The Show” and using the power swing button all the time instead of the contact swing button.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 12:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's an ugly stat. but not as ugly as it sounds considering those games account for about a quarter of all games played and their record in the other three-quarters is good enough that they're in top 5 or 6 in mlb in win %.
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
In other words as Toonder correctly points out there record is 75-36 in games they do homer. They homer in about 2/3 of the games they play. Duh its not rocket science.
If there is a beef on my end is Ozzie needs to embrace it fully. Way too many sacrifices with players who frankly can not do it. Flat out wasting some outs, losing a couple games they probably would have won.
I am curious though. How do you get that specific info. What is the record of Phil, Florida and Milw (next on the HR list) when they don’t homer in a game? Or a team like Boston?
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Sep 18, 2008 5:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know, i have the googles too, but
is that W-L stat inclusive of shutouts?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 12:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Sox are 12-60 when they don't hit a HR
since the ’07 All-Star Break
by Christopher Michaels on Sep 18, 2008 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OZZIEBALL BABY WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 18, 2008 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to mislead
but I did the math wrong
It’s only 12-50
by Christopher Michaels on Sep 18, 2008 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or should I say KENNYBALL?
You know I would be pissed about this stat if it wasn’t for the fact that there are no speedy “ozzieball” players that are any good, except Ichiro/figgins(iffy)/sizemore.
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 18, 2008 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love to have Grady
the other 2 I could live without. IMO, Chone is pretty overrated and Ichiro is not worth that contract.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Sep 18, 2008 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the extra revenue Seattle makes
from Japan, I’m willing to bet he’s worth the contract
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Sep 18, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
These next four games are almost as big as the Twins series, IMO.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of our beloved Carlos Quentin...
Maybe I haven’t been paying enough attention, but it certainly seems like getting him back by the playoffs (if the Sox get there) doesn’t look terribly far-fetched, what with the cast being removed today and him potentially taking some BP this weekend in KC. Seeing that the playoffs don’t start until that Wednesday (or Thursday), he’s basically got another two weeks of recovery time.
Seeing that this is an inexact science, what would be a reasonable percentage to put on Quentin having another meaningful at-bat for the White Sox this season (this is with the assumption that the Sox are ‘lucky’ enough to get to the post-season)?
by CWSKeith on Sep 18, 2008 2:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very surprising
But from what Ive read so far I would guess 50/50. I’m sure Carroll will address it either today or tomorrow in his column.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Sep 18, 2008 6:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Q is made of steel.
He didn’t need a doctor, he needed a welder.
INTERESTING FACT…As a first class relic, Q’s soft cast can be used to consecrate holy ground.
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
by thecip on Sep 18, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry. second class relic.
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
by thecip on Sep 18, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heeeeehhheeeeeeeehhhhheee
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Carlos Quentin.
We need the bullpen to settle down.
We go nowhere as it’s been the last 2 – 3 weeks.
Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........
and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.
by ballyb on Sep 18, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are totally fine without Q! But he sure is fun to watch - I'd like to see him swing a bat again this (post)season.
agree on bullpen.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100%
What are the chances of another team getting a hold of kryptonite for the playoffs?
www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com
by Raf on Sep 18, 2008 2:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well his kryptonite is himself
So as long as no one asks him to create a rock even he can’t move, I think no other part of him will implode
-Jeeves Life in the Cell
by jeeves on Sep 18, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
at what website can i find players ranked by DER for each position?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 18, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DER is a team only stat.
Hardball times has their defensive win share metrics up and I believe you can get Zone Ratings at Fangaphs and PRM stats from David Pinto. In general though individual defensive metrics are much less precise than DIPS theory metrics and the offensive metrics.
by madvillian on Sep 18, 2008 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where do you get the individual dips then
phil rogers today discussed the merits of oc’s defensive performance with fielding percentage and number of assists, and i just want to know how the other stats rank him. fuck precision, i’m just curious you know.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 18, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THT has fielding win shares up
that they buy from bill james.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Sep 18, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought...
that Guillen was pushing his luck when he sent Clayton back out for the sixth. Once he pitched out of the jam in the sixth, I figured his night was over. I was shocked to see him back out for the seventh.
I know that Guillen has no faith in anyone in that bullpen not named Jenks or Thornton, and I don’t blame him. But he’s got to realise that he’s got no choice. Richard had nothing left for the seventh.
I don’t know what this team is going to do. This reminds me more and more of the 2000 team, which also was wracked with injury down the stretch and staggered into the playoffs.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 18, 2008 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Staggering into the playoffs would be fantastic...
I don’t care if they get kicked to the curb in the first round, if the Sox manage to win the division with a team that few though would compete and with a shortened rotation, a bullpen engulfed in flames, the AL MVP hurt I will be suitably impressed.
by hitlesswonder on Sep 18, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dangerously unpredictable
The other playoff teams should be afraid to face the WS. The WS starting pitching has been solid recently. Defense has been very good (with a few minor exceptions). The offense is very unpredictable and the bullpen, well, it might take a miracle for our relievers to throw a breaking pitch for a strike. I am hoping that our offense starts to get even a little hot and some of our relievers start to get warm. If that happens, watch out!
"What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' n*****s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass."
by thekever on Sep 18, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw
That teams injuries were more of the starting pitching variety. Besides its been studied already and there really isnt a strong relationship with Sept record and playoff performance.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on Sep 18, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mike mussina
- for both his career and this year righties hit him much better than lefties
- this year RHB .322 AVG, .867 OPS. LHB .242 AVG, .595 OPS
- in the last month he has a 5.10 ERA and 1.5 WHIP but is striking out 9/9 IP
- GS, in 49 ABs, has a .163 AVG, .563 OPS
- BA in 6 ABs
-.333 AVG, 1.000 OPS - AJ in 38 ABs
-.342 AVG, .842 OPS - DYE in 56 ABs
-.357 AVG, .904 OPS - THOME in 51 ABs
-.275 AVG, .986 OPS (6 HRs) - Darrin Jackson crushes mussina with a .429 AVG and 1.571 OPS in 7 ABs
i’d like to see BA given a start and GS on the bench.
i’d always believed mussina was a robot, then i read living on the black by john feinstein (about mussina and glavine) and it confirmed for me that he is, indeed, a robot, but i think he had some kind of whining program installed to make him appear somewhat human.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Sep 18, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm, i think i'll bench mussina tonight
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 18, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, look everyone
just as i always suspected, osfib is really joe girardi. ;)
who are you going to start instead? i vote for ponson.
brian anderson would've caught that...
by BuehrleMan on Sep 18, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm in a yahoo rotisserie league
i don’t have any other starters slotted in for tonight.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 18, 2008 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks! good stuff. I also hope for a GS benching. BA has been producing offensively....and this stat only makes me want him in more.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Sox vs Rays
Probably discussed before on previous threads, but who do we match up better against?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 18, 2008 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
jockeys ~ piranhas. i'll take the rays.
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ev'rybody funny. Now you funny, too.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and hey, i'm sober. whaddya know!
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first time for everything!
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not for lack of trying. someone at work hid my mouthwash.
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
count yourself lucky
last night, someone hid my crack pipe and I had to improvise by snorting coke off a stripper’s tits. Classy, I know.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She be a howlin about the front rent, she'll be lucky to get any back rent
she ain’t gonna get none of it
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Sep 18, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Will Carroll, unlikely the Qunicorn would ride until the LCS
Carlos Quentin (30 DXL)
Just nine days since having an ORIF (open reduction, internal fixation) procedure—one you and I would call having a screw inserted in the wrist—Quentin had his cast taken off. That’s a pretty good sign, but it’s still quite a ways from being able to swing a bat in anger. The White Sox will be watching closely as Herm Schneider works his rehab magic. While this is a good first step, it’s still unlikely that Quentin will be ready for the Division Series, and even the LCS will be a challenge. Ozzie Guillen is using the last few weeks of the season as something of a tryout for Quentin’s roster spot, costing Nick Swisher some playing time.
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on Sep 18, 2008 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm it says he should be ready for the LCS
not if we get there… you think carroll knows something we dont?
by Jbasic89 on Sep 18, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's from the future!
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Sep 18, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think he'll tell us if, in the future, they really have flying cars that turn household garbage into fuel?
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this might seem daft
but I’m guessing in a lot of the games they don’t homer in they will be facing very good pitchers, and in a lot of those games the Sox knocking in the odd homer wouldn’t have made that much difference anyway.
regards
....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts
by hoodlight on Sep 18, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there's a ton of selection bias at play there,
that’s one example.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Sep 18, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
could you describe the selection bias more specifically?
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 18, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's clear what the sox were designed to do on offense and by specifically selecting for an event that
that slugged very poorly that night, you can’t expect good results.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Sep 18, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is how i see it
i want to know simply whether presence of home run predicts victory, by comparing games with home runs to games without. games are units of observation here.
but you gotta adjust for types of shit (e.g., park, team, quality of starting pitchers (using VORP), because these are factors that could independently predict victory in the absence of homeruns, and they may correlate with presence of homeruns.
i think ‘selection bias’ but is the wrong word to use here, because we’re selecting games here for our analysis, and we would use all the games played, its pretty well defined. but its a bias, i would call it ‘confounding’ rather than ‘selection bias’.
by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 18, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Postseason Schedule - tentative
My knuckles are also bleeding due to my knocking on wood for the last hour.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/ps.jsp
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you're no smarter than q! wear some gloves, bss.
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Always after the fact, like my wife Toonder….my poor knuckles.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your wife is named Toonder, too?
That funny.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking about how cool it would be
if we did end up in the world series with the cubs and we beat them. i think my life would be complete. i imagine it would feel something like when buddha achieved enlightenment
by Jbasic89 on Sep 18, 2008 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, rapture!
/Stimpy
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are fucked.
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me neither, what the hell toonder?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a picture
of a monkey f*cking a coconut.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all i meant to do was post a picture and instead i ended up doing god's work, separating the wheat from the chaff.
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, god is injured, so you have to help him out.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sho nuff. not to mention that as a port slut, you already knew where you were headed. poor jbasic, on the other hand...
three cheers for wu, the all-time leader in opos+.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
That would mean the Cubs got to the WS. I’d rather have them fail in the first round. Go for the gusto.
Show mercy. I get to watch the Rangers.
by Tim from Texas on Sep 18, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I am with ya in looking forward to seeing how they fail - but think of how epically they could fail in the WS - another magical moment like Bartman....
As much as I don’t even want their little Cubbie hopes up, it would be awesome to see them blow the WS too.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would also be my dream come true; my life was seemingly complete in 2005 - but to beat the Cubs in that would have made it all the sweeter.
But the stress of going into the WS the last time gave me a flu the very first day of the WS. Watched the entire WS with a box of kleenex, from my couch.
I didn’t get better until I ran around like a mad-woman through the streets of Chicago on the day of the ticker-tape parade – when it was truly finally over and I could shout my heart out to the heavens in celebration.
If we were facing the Cubs in the WS, I don’t think my heart could take it. Especially if we lost!!!
Let’s win the division.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit, if we get to Series again, we will ALL do exactly what we did last time!
You WILL get the flu even if you have to go lick an ill elderly woman at the doctor’s office.
Half the jerks here will have to look up specific hookers and hope they’re still alive.
SSH will need to put on his 2003 Cubs NL Central Champs sweatshirt.
I’ll have to go dig up my grandfather’s bones and prop them up at the kitchen table.
It will be worth it.
by ReservoirDog on Sep 18, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
does that mean i have to go back to being a senior in high school?
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Sep 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm willing to go back to a sophomore in college
brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight
by whitesoxmatt on Sep 18, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You kids all may kiss my ass.
Oh, wait, I can go back to not getting AARP magazine again! There is a reason to live!
That means I revert to only being a POS and Toonder has to change his sig.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
small victories, WU, small victories
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you win.
the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Too self-serving to rec, though.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you suck...the sox don't.
the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to fly back to Chicago too, so I can park it on the same couch.....
I know you are joking (and this was very funny), but sadly, I think some of us will actually consider our positions in 2005, and try to channel it as much as possible.
I’ve already said I would come back to Chicago if they gave me a reason to – so I’m on it, should it happen. Not sure how I plan to get there….but I will. be. there. And I will be sick – but not because I’ve tried to be…
I left my first day back at work (due to flu) early (claimed I was still sick) to drag myself here. Little did I know it was the cure..:
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was the happiest i'd ever been
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Sep 18, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had you ever had an orgasm?
I hope not, only from a perspective viewpoint. Geez, it’s only baseball.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
says the man that will be buried in a white sox shrine of some design
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't act that way just cuz you weren't there!
You don’t know that this wasn’t better than an orgasm……
because it was.
And far rarer.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, in your line of work, you're not always faking?
interesting. it gives hope to MM.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i've always thought MM really cared whether or not his
partner was having a good time.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Sep 18, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he was really a good father
he’d be double-teaming her.
"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, the kid's got slumpbusting down
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha. he seems so genuine most of the time.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
different kind of happy WU
Getting to ditch on my dad’s birthday to go downtown and see the streets filled with Sox fans while confetti rained on me and my buddy as the team drove by on huge red buses and I toted a 15 lb box of confetti back to the train and cradled it the entire ride back to Plainfield.
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Sep 18, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just busting chops.
Other than my daughter’s birth, it was the happiest day of my life. I understand.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too, U-Q, me too.
I have video of running through the car-jammed streets, screaming and giving high-fives to the cars who were stopped dead.
Also, I took vid of the team buses going by….I was crying.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigggghhhh....
Just look at Trophinea.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trophy came to my hometown on a tour
got to o take my picture with it
which was awesome
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Sep 18, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we hope to see the trophy this year
(assuming the Sox make the playoffs) the starting pitchers better be able to go deep, deep, deep in every game…preferably complete games (ala 2005).
If you see Boone Logan or Mike McDougal in a playoff game, be ready for the inevitable implosion.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on Sep 18, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this Chris Farley?
;)
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't intended to be
but i come off like that in awe situations
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Sep 18, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i missed it all first-hand
flew to germany to start an internship the day they finished the sweep of the indians. and my dad had a ticket for me for a game in each series. ugh……..
well, if we all have to do now what we did then…. anybody got the number for those oktoberfest broads that got posted yesterday?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you made a wrong decision in 2005, son.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, what a knuclehead, TSK. Fer Chrissakes.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
decision was made in may/june
who knew?
the real kicker is that i was more or less forced to go home after it was done, about 2 months before the world cup. could.not.win.
made it to opening day ’06, though
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
happy thursday!
the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah...her dad must be proud.
"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)
by tailgater on Sep 18, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One-track mind these days, ain'tja?
Don’t make me drive out there for an intervention…
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would say two tracks, but since they're both in the same picture i'll let your observation slide. and save the gas. you can't stop me. hell, you can't even hope to contain me at this point.
the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 18, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cheers
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
straight from the MM/furbs campaign
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on Sep 18, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw furbs, OT but
I read in our newspaper today that Jamar Smith now plays for your school
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on Sep 18, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dow up +400
Larry, you can get off the ledge now. At least until tomorrow when it drops 500. (My opinion is someone is being bought…Morgan Stanley?) It isn’t all due to AIG getting kicked out of the Dow.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RTC-like entity being set up for bad debts/entities.
Shorts taking it in the shorts.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definetly getting sacked in the balls
if you were short. Chinese firm looking to buy 50% stake in Morgan Stanley.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
CNN - "rumors of longer-term govt. solution to the crisis."
Let Barney Frank and Chris Dodd head the new entity.
Ha, ha, ha.
Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........
and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.
by ballyb on Sep 18, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
longer-term govt. solution
We have a better chance of straightening out the bullpen in the next few days than “longer-term govt. solution.”
This is very serious, men.
Wait til the en masse layoffs start and those people can’t pay their mortgages and credit card debt (debt up the wazoo).
Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........
and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.
by ballyb on Sep 18, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, it's the RTC...CNBC is discussing it.
Paulsen aka WU, thanks for the info.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the rescue,
just when his beloved Goldman was threatened.
Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........
and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.
by ballyb on Sep 18, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WU = Randolph Duke from Trading Places
President of Exchange: [Randolph Duke has just collapsed with shock] Mortimer, your brother is not well. We better call an ambulance.
Mortimer Duke: F*ck him! Now, you listen to me! I want trading reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here! Turn those machines back on!
[shouts – it echoes pathetically throughout the trading hall]
Mortimer Duke: Turn those machines back on!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what was it you and MM were talking about making a killing with during the meltdown?
the two of you seemed happier than pigs in shit when it was all going down the other day.
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not short or trade - I'm a CFP and don't have time to watch the screen all day.
Was happy to see GLD up 11% yesterday, that’s all. MM profits from the misery of others – a barnacle. Do not associate me with that parasite. I help people.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you have to state that you help people
that usually means that you benefit from them. I wish you would have told me to invest in Gold back in January…my 401k is down over 25%!
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put, Bobby.
Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........
and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.
by ballyb on Sep 18, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek, and as a good-natured jab to MM
(who is winging his way to my state and not here to defend himself). Anyone who seriously touts himself as a “helper” or “people-person” needs to be shot.
And I did mention GLD back at the beginning of the year. Ask Chicago Pete, who took major issue with it. Hell. last week I talked about it on a Gamethread when Pete raised himself from the dead – if only for a couple of posts and told me to get out of cash.
bally, no offense. I love traders and wish I could support myself doing it. I’m not good at it.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must have been drinking that day
d*mn the bad luck! I couldn’t trade either, I don’t have the stomach for it.
So it looks like the government (which means you and I and everyone else) is going to be backing these big corporations now so they don’t fail. That is a great free market we live in. Just like the godd*mn economic stimulus checks…what a crock.
"Jenks, who was never afraid to say "no" to a hamburger..."
by BobbySouthSide on Sep 18, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To echo others (Jimmy Rogers, for one) - China's markets are more free than ours now.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, but I think some of that has to do with how old the markets are
and that I think they’re gov’t hasn’t figured out how to regulate it appropriately. This isn’t to say that I think the US gov’t has, I just think the Chinese are aware of their lack of knowledge.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I disagree that they are a crock
but the stimulus package was projected to generate a significant amount of tax revenue. I’m too lazy to look it up, but it was more than 10% of the total value of the stimulus checks over the next 4 or 5 years.
Those lawmakers may be dumb, but they aren’t stupid.
(actually, I think they’re stupid as well, just wanted to use that line)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whose projections? Politicians'?
Puh-leeze. Pull this leg and it plays “Jingle Bells”.
Back to baseball. Salomon Torres must be the worst closer in baseball.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i imagine that was the CBO.
and i’m not sure why it isn’t simply intuitive that 10% of that money would come back to the government via taxes.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Congressional Budget Office". Yes, my point exactly.
And you give away a dollar to get back 10 cents? Even KW knows that don’t make sense. And the projections were ill-conceived because they attempted to project consumer behavior and tthe resultant monetary effect. Most didn’t spend – they paid bills or saved it, at least from what I have read.
It’s like the old experiment – do you go and break every window in your house in order to get an insurance check to hire a worker to fix the windows? Does that create jobs and commerce?
Fer Chrissakes.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um, what?
neither you nor i are dumb enough to posit that the stimulus was passed to raise tax revenues.
and as for the CBO, i rather think their projections have been shown to be quite good – and non-partisan or non-political or non whatever point you’re trying to make.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going back and reading my original comment
it could be construed that I said the stimulus was passed to raise tax revenues.
I was trying to make the point that you see the price tag of X billion and say “what a bunch of idiots” when, in reality, they spend (X-tax revenue) billion dollars, so it’s not quite as bad as you might think.
At any rate, I see a lot of bigger wastes of money around, but I don’t want to get into them as it will then almost assuredly turn into a political discussion.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should reply to you, then, and not me.
and i realize he’s just screeding and doesn’t have much of a clue. i just felt like poking him some. i’m done now. he can return to undisturbed screeding.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
duly noted
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, you said it was intuitive that there would be 10% collected.
Agreed. And I am not naive enough to think that is why the “stimulus” was done. But, truly, have you not read the early reports of what people actually did with their largess? Same thing happened with the “rebate” checks (an early tax refund), IIRC. The intended “boost” to the economy was quick and not significant, at best, except in “boosting” Wal-Mart’s numbers briefly.
As far as not having much of a clue, I don’t read CBO budget projections. If you do, I feel sorry for you. That segment of your assumption has basis in fact.
So how was NY? Where did you sit at the game(s)?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read and listened to orszag's testimony. what has and is occurring with the stimulus is basically exactly what he (and others) said would occur. it's not like it's some arcane secret that people spend these things largely on bills and so on.
that’s mainstream economics. i know you don’t like the stimulus and neither do i. i’m just not sure who you were going off on here.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never you, sir.
Never.
So where the eff did you sit in Yankee Stadium? Steinbrenner’s box, or what?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
game sucked just like new york sucks.
i love spending time unwinding repos and swaps, assessing “risk” (short version: you’re probably fucked), and buying and selling securities (pennies on the dollar! you’ll probably make millions! you just have to find the liquidity to buy them – pesky thing that liquidity.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, agreed! That Salomon Torres really blows! (must be the name...I don't trust fish standing in for baseball players) ;)
And no, it wasn’t a politician’s projection, because you would have heard that trumpeted all over the news, but rather those of some economic something or other. I want to say it was independent, but I don’t recall fo sho. I’ll try to look it up.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, Salomon Torres is the worst closer in baseball...
Cubs score 4 runs in the 9th inning to tie it up.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this isn't bleedsouthsidietown?
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what about the Twins?
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they've started yet
but I agree that we should be concerned with things that affect the Sox magic number.
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
facial injuries can be catastrophic
Matchup: Twins (82-70) at Rays (90-60), 7:10 p.m. ET
Probable Starters: Glen Perkins (145 1/3 IP, 4.64 RA, 1.46 WHIP, 70 K) vs. James Shields (200 2/3, 3.86, 1.14, 149)
Pythagorean Record: Minnesota, 84-68 (783 RS, 694 RA); Tampa Bay, 84-66 (700 RS, 614 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Minnesota, #12; Tampa Bay, #3
Prospectus: The Rays won their 90th game last night, becoming the sixth team in major league history to reach that plateau while snapping a stretch of at least 10 straight losing seasons; the others were the 1912 Senators, 1914 Braves, 1956 Reds, 1979 Expos, and 2006 Tigers. With the victory, Tampa Bay also equaled the total projected for it by PECOTA before the season, with 12 games still remaining. Two more wins in this four-game set with the Twins will clinch the first playoff berth in Rays history. Now two up in the AL East, the Rays have a magic number of 10 to clinch the division, although in reality it’s only nine—barring a scenario in which both the Rays and Sox collapse, the two will both finish with a better record than Minnesota, so the assigning of the division winner and the wild card team is a matter of accounting. The tie-breaker in that situation is their head-to-head record, and Tampa Bay’s series win over Boston this week gave it a 10-8 edge on the season, meaning that the Rays would get the symbolic nod. Winning the division rather than the wild card and getting that extra home game would provide a bigger advantage for the Rays than for most teams, given their sizable home/road split this year (.714 winning percentage at home, .497 on the road).
The wild card is out of reach for the Twins, and after four straight losses the division title is receding into the distance as well. Minnesota put 22-game-winner Cliff Lee on the ropes last night and came up with 17 baserunners, but they were able to plate just four of them in a 6-4 defeat. As a result, Chicago remains 2½ games ahead of the Twins, but Minnesota still has three left with the White Sox at home, so all is far from lost. To pull off the comeback the Twins will have to do something about their bullpen, which like so many potentially playoff-bound relief corps has been a flaming wreck in the second half.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL. I didn't want to rub it in bally's (now concave) face.
90, baby!
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rejoice when the Sox get to 90 wins (if they indeed do)
You and larry with your Rays love…sickening.
;)
this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry
by rhythm on Sep 18, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sox need six more wins.
It’ll be tough.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 18, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jre should take a lesson from tdogg and stop making predictions about the white sox' record and place.
he sucks at the rays, you suck at the sox.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm at peace with this season.
Whatever happens from here on out, the Sox did much, much better than I thought they would. I’m glad to be wrong.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 18, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh huh. well, i'm certainly glad to waste my time reading and replying to your wrongness.
self-flagellation fits you
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
larry back with a vengeance.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he didn't spend his time...
working on his temper.
by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 18, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's temper?
derision usually goes along with contempt. i don’t know where “temper” fits into that.
fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie
by larry on Sep 18, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know when i need to work on things like "temper"
the obvious destination is, of course, NYC
I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.
by thatshortkid on Sep 18, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice one.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Judas Priest,
Screaming For Vengeance!
(Like Rob Halford – is he in a homersexual panic? ;))
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on Sep 18, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the arm fits...
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on Sep 18, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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