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Horacio Ramirez is the Worst Reliever in White Sox History

I've made no secret my disdain for Horacio Ramirez. When the Sox acquired him, I simply stated that he "sucks." I didn't think the acquisition needed much more than that extemporaneous analysis. It's not like he was going to stick around. He was just a temporary fix to a problem that would surely be temporary. It's not like he was going to see much action; right?

And yet, here we are, a month later. Ramirez has appeared 15 games, allowing a baserunner in 14 of those outings. He's universally horrible. Lefties hit him well; so do righties and switch hitters. He can't strike anyone out; only 2 of the 65 batters he's faced have gone down via the strikeout. He hasn't carried over his control from Kansas City; 8 of the 65 batters he's faced have reached base via the walk. He's a pitcher with zero redeeming qualities.

That headline is not an exaggeration. There have been a total of 15 players in baseball history to pitch in 15 or more games in a season while posting a WHIP of 2.5 or greater. Horacio Ramirez just pitched in his 15th game with the White Sox; he has pitched 11.1 innings and allowed 30 baserunners, for a WHIP of 2.65.

Congrats, Horacio. You're #16.

In all of baseball history there have been only 15 other pitchers so inept, so putrid. In all honesty, I'm was surprised there wasn't more. But the truth is, if you've proven yourself this horrible over the span of 15 games, you get your walking papers. And yet, there is Ramirez, still on the team, a team fighting for a playoff spot, getting higher-leverage work than half the bullpen, hiding the occasionally useful Adam Russell. It's time we blow the horn on this joke. There's no reason we should ever see this guy on the mound again.

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Yes, he does...

but what about the offense? They have almost reached Horacio Ramirez levels of suck these days.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Its simple, September spelled backwards is April

12th in the AL in BA with a .250BA
Last in the AL with a .306 OBP
11th in slugging
11th in runs scored in the AL
12th in hits in the AL
8th in doubles
10th in XBH
The only team that hasnt recorded a triple.

I found our offensive superstat. Wait for it. Wait for it.

We hit homers, so 5th in the AL in homers

by southsideirish71 on Sep 18, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all that badness

it will probably only take 5 more wins to cinch it up

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 18, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but can the awful offense score enough to win 5 games?

If they don’t score on Brian Bannister tomorrow, I think I will stop watching the games.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm trying to find the phrase...

Ah, yes, blessing in disguise. Will not watching keep you from posting as well?

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 18, 2008 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I defy you to tell me whether you could tell me if someone was "swinging for the fences"

in a sample of various hitters from across the league combined with sox hitters. and how do you know whether it’s bad or good? it’s bad when you don’t like the results and it’s good when you do? that’s insane.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

logic. dead. remember?

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

i always forget.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly

HoRam’s KC time will keep him from making that list. And Stu Flythe was awful. Worst pitcher in MLB history it appears.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/flythst01.shtml

by Bull Pain on Sep 18, 2008 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't forget

Horacio Ramirez is the worst reliever in history because before he put a White Sox uniform on, he wore a Royals one. Before he was with KC, he was a Cy Young candidate and first ballot Hall of Famer…wait what’s that, oh, he sucked before he played for the Royals, well let’s blame Dayton Moore anyways.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 18, 2008 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

The real blame is on Boone Logan for turning into a pile of suck...

Then it’s Kenny’s fault for not having any better options to call up as a replacement. And also his fault for thinking that Ramirez would be a good addition to the bullpen.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i can't believe we don't have a LOOGY

what a huge oversight

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is one brutal day.

i actually was briefly trying to defend him, even though i know he sucks, because when he came in with 2 out and the bases loaded in the 4th and down 4-1 he got abreu to hit a medium speed ground ball between the first and second basemen that could have resulted in an out if it was hit a few feet in either direction then got arod to hit a grounder right at alexei.

anyway, i agree with you. i never want to see him on the mound again.

i still remember the acrimony at lookout landing when seattle traded rafael soriano for him and also remember his performance in seattle and how crazy they went when he sucked.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 18, 2008 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

one cannot defend Dye

showing inordinate amounts of suckitude. He will always watch the first strike go by, followed by a weak swing at the off-speed pitch and finds himself in a Konerko-like hole —either 0-2, or 1-2. I suppose we should consider ourselves grateful that we’ve even gotten this far. Unless we sweep this weekend and the Twins drop a couple, look for a very anxiety producing, make it or break it week ahead.

by RoyEgan on Sep 18, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

a) what did what i say there have to do with dye? are you following me from the gamethread?

2) are you talking about the same dye that is second on the white sox, behind only Q!, with a 130 OPS+?

dude, you’re crazier than ssh. dye is also second on the white sox in HR, RBI, BA, OPS+, SLG %, and hits. and 1st in doubles and triples.

i think i see what’s going on here. you’re just fucking with me.

i roll for disbelief.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 18, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what are they doing in crunch time?

Choking.

Put up or shut up. This is the same shit that the Sox always seem to do down the stretch (minus 2005).

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 18, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Sox always seem to do"

So, there’s something about the uniform that makes them choke? Because the players on the team actually change year-to-year.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 19, 2008 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Extra starch in the collars.

"would've been a sweep if pablo was here" -Kenwo-

by Hazymania on Sep 19, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

who is they? and what do you mean about crunch time?

i merely stated that jermaine dye is probably the second best offensive player on the white sox this year and is not the player someone should be looking to blame, unless that person is insane of course.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 19, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

relevance of Dye's monthly line = ???

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

no reply

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Choking in the home stretch.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're such a cliche.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

sample size = WHAT YOU SAY?!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever you want to call it...

Good players and teams come through when it matters. The Sox are limping to the finish line.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

yea

fuck a-rod with his unclutchness. dude blows. i wouldnt want his 40 homers, 120 RBIs a year on my team

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holy crap

Didn’t Dye win the WS MVP in 2005? He’s performed well in “clutch” situations before. So your choices to explain his performance now are:

1) Suddenly has become a choker
2) Is in a slump because slumps happen, semi-random fluctuation of luck, he’s 90 years old….your choice.

But no, anyone that is playing badly right now = choker. Got it.

What a bunch of bunch of balless bastards. How dare they let us down like this.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 19, 2008 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's hundreds and hundreds of good players

that have gone through weeks or months of suck. It’s called baseball. It’s what happens.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Choking?

Please — spare us that bullshit. It’s obnoxious and is a term that is thrown around much too often.

The Sox were had the deck (somewhat) stacked against them heading into this series, having to throw out Richard as well as Vazquez. Oh, and they’re going up against a team that is probably their equal, especially when one team is playing without its best player. Losing three in New York doesn’t really surprise me… not that I’m happy about it, but it is what it is.

Time to head to KC and do what they’ve seemingly done all season long — beat the team that you’re supposed to beat.

by CWSKeith on Sep 19, 2008 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure...

Anything less than 2 of 3 from the Royals would be a massive disappointment.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll keep this in mind when...

We win 2 of 3 and you rail them for not sweeping.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 19, 2008 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the Sox could skip this weekend and get an automatic 2 of 3...

I would be ecstatic. The lead would likely raise a game, possibly two, with the Twins playing the Rays.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

eat your stats

u got all pissy when i suggested that HoRam was a POS during the game… that he’s allowed runs in every appearance (i should have said MOST because u had such a fit at my liberal use of language)…only to have my point proven by his dreadful performance . And BTW your stats are meaningless in defense of dye or anyone else. .. there are intangible such as not sucking during big games …and dye folded in this series. do u see the connection? Sox failing? .

by RoyEgan on Sep 19, 2008 4:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

"eat your stats" / "your stats are meaningless"

you must be new here….

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Sep 19, 2008 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, you're right. dye sucks in big games.

he should give that world series mvp award back.

oh, fuck it. why do i bother?

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 19, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

what issue?

you’re an idiot? that issue?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

you said

what i was thinking.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 19, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you guys have to resort to personal attacks?

Because you can’t prove your point?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pot?

i thought i smelled something funny here being cooked

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

beat me to it.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the way

This is classic Mariotti behavior. Like when he called Frank Thomas “The Big Skirt” for years then pleaded for pity when Ozzie insulted him.

Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Sep 19, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

can you imagine Frank Thomas in a skirt?

that’s comedy

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

no one did

let it the fuck go

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, no, no you are confusing that with your style....

I think they are ignoring proving the “point” because it’s irrelevant.
Dye had nothing to do with BM’s original comment. Maybe Roy accidentally replied instead of creating his own comment….

But nobody was defending HoRam last night – Roy was just exceptionally negative, as always, about the situation – his “Go Angels” exit was questioned – not his testament to HoRam sucking. Nobody here is disagreeing with that.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

roy was definitely responding to me

albeit from the game thread where i said (in response to him and someone else regarding dye being in a slump) , essentially, dye is not someone we should be blaming.

he also seemed to take issue because when he said,“HoRam has given up a run in every appearance.” it was supposed to be understood that he didn’t mean it literally, so when i said he was wrong he thought i was fucking with him, when in reality i thought he meant what he said.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 19, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

you son of a bitch.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

call me crazy.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 19, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

how could you not know what a man two time zones over was thinking

you’re clearly no KenWo

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

to roy?

what point was i making to him? i interjected on behalf of reason and sanity.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sox friends

I love my team. Born on the south side in the 50’s. Season’s tix for 20+ years when I still lived in the city. Huge fans still now that I’m on the left coast. Written for the Trib, the Sun Times, the NY Times, LA Times re: Sox. My loyalty is unquestionable. I admit I get emotional on this subject. I let my id run way ahead of my logic when it comes to the Sox. You stat guys always want to counter an emotiona argument w/ numbers. Doesn’t work for me. As for my Angels comment… not truly a fan but I enjoy watching them. what I was saying was that at least I’ll have someone to cheer for in the post season. Apologies to all who were ticked off.

by RoyEgan on Sep 19, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I knew you were a fellow OPOS.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 19, 2008 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

you just get back from the denny's early bird senior lunner?

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I am actually meeting with people who have had their

heads spun around by this market and are trying to figure out when they can retire. You know, working.

But this is quite entertaining. It took – what – < week for the doubleheader glow from Sunday night to become carping and sniping (mostly 2 posters dragging everyone into the muck). I prefer to remain above the fray for the time being. Will get dirty tonight.

Another liquid lunch on tap in 5 minutes, Kelsey Grammer?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 19, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does Dye's WS MVP from 2005 have to do with 2008?

He is sucking when it counts this month. So are many other hitters. So is the bullpen.

They are collectively choking.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Choking implies that they are feeling the pressure and wilting

so unless you can somehow throw in some evidence that that’s true, you should probably use a word that actually reflects reality.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course I can't prove it...

But when even Ozzie is questioning the team’s effort…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah Ozzie's never done that before.

He certainly wouldn’t be using the same motivational tactics that he’s been using all season. C’mon. It’s like you don’t even try to think shit through.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.

Ozzie is always doing this. This is par for the course. Every time the team slumps he does this and then media either says “Team responds to Ozzie’s call!” or “Team sucks despite Ozzie’s outburst!”

Pay. Attention.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

managers in tight races do that kind of thing

its what they’re paid for

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because players never, ever, ever lose their motivation?

Sorry, Joe Schmo but they’re athletes nearing the end point of a ridiculously long and, at times, monotonous season. They will lose their focus, as every division leading team has this month. Whether the players right the ship themselves, or their manager gives them a kick in the balls, who gives a shit as long as it results in production. You equate months atop the Central Division as “choking”, I call it playing above expectations, and now just trying to persevere due to some ill-timed injuries.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 20, 2008 3:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

can you hit or field? hit a cut off man? do you live near bolingbrook?

lost first 3 games by 1 run in the last inning. tonight we got smashed like 30 something to 10.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 18, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

when i'm not at school, yes, i do live near bolingbrook

I can field and hit the cutoff man. My hitting is basically limited to singles with the occasional double.

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

CM

rec’d, i could go out there and get more guys out topping out at 60mph.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 18, 2008 11:34 PM CDT reply actions  

well, you won 4 championships in a row

thats more than michael jordan. dont compare yourself to mortals like horacio

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

WTGTD =/ Kenwo.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 19, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

i dont know why i read that wrong

i’m a moron

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 19, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 19, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

who the fuck are you?

what the fuck are you talking about?

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 19, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

stop whining, sox fans.

cannot wait to see how sox finish the season. go home or make the playoff. very curious.

by zj-uic on Sep 19, 2008 12:12 AM CDT reply actions  

go back to hell.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 19, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

i can't believe how much bitching and moaning there already is in this thread

and cheat put up such a solid recap too.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Because everyone already knows that Ramirez sucks...

The real story is the brutal offense. As awful as Ramirez was, it didn’t really matter because the offense only scored two runs. So it’s not like Ramirez spoiled a possibility of a tie or a lead by the Sox. Why scapegoat one crappy reliever when we have a whole lineup of suck that should be bashed?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because whereas the team hitting has been anywhere from average to above average

the entire year, Horacio Ramirez has not shown he can be that. So when I see a slump from an offense that’s worked before and just so happens to be missing its biggest contributor, I say, “Hey! You know what, Colin? These boys done done it before! I reckon this here’s just a slump!”

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many games has Ramirez cost the Sox?

How many games has the crappy offense cost the Sox?

Ramirez is definitely not the bigger story.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

The crappy offense that's been average to above average all year?

Fail.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not lately.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Attn:

This is reality, not some magic abstraction where everything functions at a constant rate so you can understand it more easily.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

all the damn time

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No lie. Nice way to wake up.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 19, 2008 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

you ain't kiddin' yo

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good to see Ozzie questioning the team's effort...

Link:

“Horrible,” manager Ozzie Guillen summed up. "We don’t pitch well. We don’t hit at all. We don’t have anything going forward right now. If we want to get to where we want to get, we better start playing better. In general, offensively, defensively, pitching, the relievers, it’s going to be tough for us to compete.

"Everyone has to push as hard as we can and as long as we can. We only have 11/2 weeks left. We fight all the way to now. Why do we have to lay down now? We have to get up and keep fighting because nobody said it was going to be easy, especially here. But we have to realize that.

“Right now we aren’t playing like we’re in the pennant race.”

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 1:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I love that line...

“Right now we aren’t playing like we’re in the pennant race.” I could not agree more. Still, I am very hopeful about the KC series.

"What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' n*****s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass."

by thekever on Sep 19, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

"I've made no secret my disdain for Horacio Ramirez. When the Sox acquired him, I simply stated that he'sucks'."

link?

imposter!

’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk

by e-gus on Sep 19, 2008 1:28 AM CDT reply actions  

link

They’ve traded Paulo Orlando, who sucks, and was probably one of the prospects Wilder used to skim money from the Sox, for Kansas City’s Horacio Ramirez, who also sucks, but has found success by throwing junk in the strike zone out of the Kansas City pen.

by kujoth on Sep 19, 2008 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow, shitty reliever acquired hastily for crap from a last-place scrap heap performs like shit. film at 11.

i’m more concerned with what the fuck has been going on with javy all damn year. i know he was on short rest for this game but damn, what a shitty outing and season-long mastery of inconsistency.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Sep 19, 2008 7:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Javy Dent is Javy Dent.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm more concerned about what the fuck Ozzie is thinking in sending HoRam out to the mound every time there are RISP and we need a goddam out.

A 3-run deficit is not impossible to overcome, and it seems like if Ozzie had any interest in us winning the game, he should turn to a more reliable reliever (which, at this point, is ANY OF THEM, INCLUDING BOONE FUCKING LOGAN). I would have bet the barn that HoRam was going to come in and give up runs. He needed ONE OUT.

What’s Ozzie’s email, seriously, I feel compelled to use it this time.

More concerned about where the hell Russell is? Or Carrasco?
When was the last time we saw Nessie do anything but warm up in the bullpen?

My most untrusted relievers (I don’t look at stats), in the order of who gives me the worst bellyache when he trots out of the pen:
HoRam
Wasserman
Logan
Dotel (he can be good, at times, and when we have room to give up a homer or two)

Why does it seem that these are the 4 guys who take the mound every game?

ugggggh.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

If *I* were manager

I’d have BA in CF a lot over the remaining games. Given his glove I think he’d provide more of what the Sox need than KGJR (i.e. run prevention). It’s not like Jr. is knocking the cover off the ball.

For LF…Wise? Has the pixie-dust worn off? I wouldn’t be upset if Ozzie played Swisher the next few ganmes. He’s been sucking hard, but the offense is so bad you almost have to take a chance that he’ll break out because he’s the only potential plus offensive player on the bench right now.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 19, 2008 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

pixie dust still in effect.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 run difference with the bases juiced and how many outs?

our expected win percentage had to be no better than 30% there. It’s not the worst move ever, really.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think ozzie figured

that with the bullpen being so horrible lately, they’d eventually have someone give up a few more runs over the last five innings, so the game was probably already a lost cause. no need to waste someone functional when another pitcher will blow any good done by the one positive inning. Save the good arms for games you can win.

This does not mean I find Horacio to be something other than a giant turd with a glove.

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Ozzie did that all the time (well I thought so) in 2005. If Vizcaino came in, it was because the came was done, however seemingly close, and we needed an inning of shitty pitching.

That guy was my least favorite player on the entire team that year until the playoffs.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

How does that logic factor into the fact that every game is essential? You think Ozzie glanced at the Twins losing score and opted for HoRam?

 DJ and Nessie haven’t seen an inning in as far back as I can remember. How are they not rested? And how many games have other members of the bullpen pissed away in the meantime?

You steal whatever momentum from a 3-run game via pitching craptastic pitchers, and what motivation does our struggling offense have left for the rest of the game?

Not saying that our offense is to be trusted with a 3-run deficit these days. But digging the hole doesn’t help them either….

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

every game isn't essential

and cutting your losses means more effiicient deployment of resources

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by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I kinda feel like we should try to win every game at this point. I don't think a couple innings on DJ or Russell's arms are going to wear them out for the "big games."

If I see HoRam make one appearance in the Twins series, by this logic, I will burn down Chicago.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's just a matter of knowing when you're beat

4-1 with the bases juiced usually entails such.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

He needed ONE OUT. Tell me another member could not have gotten out of that inning without runs scoring?

seriously…. the bases juiced should have nothing to do with it – other than to say, “Hey, this is a horrible time to bring in the Horrible!”

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

One out is actually a pretty easy feat for even the worst pitchers

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even if you give up a run every three outs

doesn’t that mean there was a 66% chance he would record an out there?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I might given the circumstances

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're such a fucking asshole.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

i figured there was a decent chance i was wrong there

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least you figured that correctly.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

it not about "big games"

its about using them in games where the Sox are more likely to win. Every game is a big game but my belief is that maximize the team’s chances of winning the most games is the best strategy. Using the more reliable resources there wouldn’t give them that opportunity in an unlikely win situation anyways.

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

So what about the first game against the Yanks (iirc), when it was tied 2-2?

Who’d we throw in there in that unlikely win situation?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Matt did a good job of clarifying

but for the record, I’m only talking about this particular usage and the theory in general. Apply it elsewhere and you may find Ozzie’s fucked up.

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by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, and I have argued this point before (against larry, nonetheless).....

I just don’t consider a 3-run deficit game ovaahhh yet.

Those 3 guys on the bases were not guaranteed runs – it wasn’t quite time to hang it up and get HoRam in.

And if that was really his thought pattern (“this game is lost, let’s use the worst of the worst”), then why not have HoRam finish the damn game, let the Yanks have some batting practice, let that guy get another home run ball to right field, and let others get some souvenirs they CAN take from the park, and make HoRam so definitively unusable, that the rest of us don’t have to get that sinking feeling anymore when he gets called from the pen?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's frustrating for sure

and keep in mind I didn’t actually see the game, so the specifics aren’t exactly clear to me. But by and large Ozzie does a good job handling the staff. I’ll take that over a night’s frustrations.

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by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree - I have defended him at many turns. But lately, for several reasons, it's been tougher to stand up for him.

I love the guy and ultimately trust him.
But he’s testing my patience. Not just last night’s game…
.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

AND ONE MORE THING -

I nearly cried when BA came in and hit a double – to send Mussina to the dug-out.

WHY DIDN’T BA START INSTEAD OF GRIFFEY?

This will be my subject line of the email to Ozzie.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

plz to be posting the content of said email

remember to make fun of venezuela.

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by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think we are done, but shit needs to come together quick. Offense and pitching namely (amazing that our defense is the one thing that isn't totally suck lately). Ozzie needs to pull his head out of his ass too.

It’s amusing how volatile this thread is today. It’s evident that we are all a little edgy after the latest ugly loss. (And the 9th-inning Twins finish against the Rays last night didn’t help our spirits either, I imagine).

Hopefully we can prove ourselves in the final week and not limp into the playoffs.

This was a tough series and we didn’t have our stuff – let’s move on and beat up KC, as we know we can do (just not the last time we went to KC).
:)

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

2005

In 2005, as all of you can remember, the Sox limped along until the last two weeks of the season. As much as momentum is disregarded in baseball, there was a turning point when Crede hit a big time homerun (Can’t remember specifics, no time for research). The Sox need that spark. Something to get their blood pumping. Unfortunately, the Twinkies may have found theirs last night.

"Why don't you go back to your home on whore mountain?"

by thekever on Sep 19, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly what I was thinking!....that the Twins just got a surge while the Sox were scraping their bodies off of the field at Yankee Stadium.

I won’t give up hope or believing until it’s over….
But we definitely need that spark.

I can’t help but wonder how deflated the team feels when Ozzie chooses the worst reliever to enter a game that isn’t yet lost? As a player, I would not really feel inspired at that point….the spark is being suppressed by Ozzie’s shitty managing at the moment.
And to not start BA – a guy who has consistently hit in every game he weasels into and has a great record against the Sox-killing starting pitcher?…..spark suppression.

We are lucky to have this 4-game series (albeit the Royals are on a tear of their own lately) and not facing an AL East team this weekend instead. I just hope we can USE the Royals to get that spark lit, to carry into the Terrordome next week…..for the ultimate of penultimates series! :)

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Royals...

…have been much less than “sucky” lately. Sox definitely need to bring their B+ (or better) game to kick some ass and make a statement.

"Why don't you go back to your home on whore mountain?"

by thekever on Sep 19, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh

season ovah

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Sep 19, 2008 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

twatted.

heh heh.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kansas City has won 7 in a row...

Granted, against Cleveland and Seattle (that was my preseason ALCS matchup—FAIL), so this series won’t be easy by any stretch of the imagination.

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http://www.examiner.com/x-425-Chicago-White-Sox-Examiner

by UribeAuction on Sep 19, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

fuck em

I’m not worried

....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts

by hoodlight on Sep 19, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

they are due a loss then

....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts

by hoodlight on Sep 19, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd yo

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knackered - rec'd again, even though it's already green.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 19, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

People seem to forget that the Sox sucked it up down the stretch in 2005

It was pretty hairy there, worse even because unlike this year, the Sox let a huge lead dwindle to a game or two.

Does this mean the sox are an absolute lock to make the playoffs? No. But I like our chances.

Anyway, just chill out and enjoy relevant September White Sox baseball, peeps.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 19, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

I AM!

Enjoying my coffee…..

enjoying my coffee…..

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sick of the excuses...

“But the Royals have won seven in a row…”

Fuck that, they are still an awful last place team and anything less than winning two of three against them would be a massive disappointment.

If we have to worry about the freaking Royals, why even worry about getting to the playoffs?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT reply actions  

And why even watch baseball for that matter!?

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

You counted out this Sox team in April

Why are you even watching still?

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 19, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why is it that when the Royals go on a streak they suck in spite of it

but when the Sox go on a slump, that’s actually what they are?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

touche.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Royals do suck, though.

Hopefully a little more than we do!
:P heeeheeeheeeeheeehee

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you...

Royals streak or no streak, the Sox should win two of three this weekend.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did I say the Royals don't suck?

Who the hell thinks the Royals are good? Approximately no one outside Royals Review.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't even think they believe

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you are actually going to tell me that the Royals are a good team, streak or no streak?

More preemptive excuses in case the Sox blow against the Royals…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is that the point you think I'm trying to make?

I’m just looking for some logical consistency from you. It isn’t clear why I ask this since at every turn you non sequitur your way through any and all arguments.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should the Sox win two of three this weekend?

and if they don’t win the series this weekend, will it be a huge disappointment?

Yes and yes.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get hugely disappointed by baseball

but I think they are good to win 2 of 3.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why even bother?

I liked this site when it was about the White Sox.

Now it’s become a site about psychoanalyzing SSH. Which is fucking Boring

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 19, 2008 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Avatars are tiny

Retardation is by far the bigger issue.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Retards don't contribute to society...

Hmmm…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Describe for me in exquisite details the exact nature of the software you

are responsible for maintaining? Something something golf tee times?

Way to keep the world turning, slugger.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Says the guy with no job...

who probably still mooches off his parents? Give me a fucking break, son.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a job and go to one of the best schools in the world

and am clearly in line to actually contribute to society. I’ll take wealthy and loving parents and a glut of opportunity over PPD, tee times and shit filled diapers any day of the week.

But hey, yours was clever too.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

you just aren't funny or clever

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's hilariously fitting.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah. see above.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah. look at the picture.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looks more like you fialed...

Haha.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think his statement was a way of demonstrating how your perception of our sucking, er, sucks. Not a set-up for excuses....

Teams are allowed to play imperfectly. We’ve taken some major hits in the second half of our season – but the Sox are still the better team. We do not suck.

We are sucking, presently, with the potential, talent, and team to fix it.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

happy friday.

that was for consistency’s sake. and it’s all i got. it’s sunny and in the 60s and 70s here all weekend. tonight is my morning jacket outdoors at the greek. tomorrow is hiking and three breweries in sonoma and marin. sunday is football all day at kezar. it’s going to be a good weekend, regardless of what the “chokers” do. (also, just wondering, if choking is about pressure, how is it guys can perform one night and then not the next against the same team in the same stadium? whoops, my bad…logic butchered and wood chippered).

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll be in KC this weekend

Tonight and Sunday’s Sox games, with the Mizzou game in between. And it’ll be a good weekend no matter what the Sox do, because I get to hang out with some friends I haven’t seen since graduation. Apparently, I’m not much of a fan.

Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Sep 19, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

FUCK LOGIC GIMME SOME BEER TITTAYS

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm afraid the weather has finally broken up here. Onto a winter of gloooomm....

I’ll be spending my weekend at the coast, surfing in the rain, and not watching the games.
I will still be channeling my positive vibes, though, and checking in if/when I can…

Enjoy MMJ – last I saw them was outside in Milwaukee a few years back. Great live show. Jim James really sounds like that…

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

MMJ?

i thought you didn’t like big hip indie bands??!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

remember this comment? it applies to other music as well.

it’s one of my favorite albums too, when i’m not being a dead/phish hippie fuck.
by Toonderstrook on Sep 12, 2008 12:40 PM PDT on Shaun Marcum is Built to Beat the White Sox

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

i don't remember anything

i live in the moment.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

you and ssh both.

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

you may and i will heed your recommendation.

also, spoon here for three nights next week. chicago is a great music town, but nothing like the quantity and quality of acts that are out here on a regular basis.

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

warning: I saw Spoon in 2003 or 2004 in Chicago...Riv, I believe...

I was there, ready to party and dance and enjoy some fun music…

But I was the only one apparently.

The crowd was so freaking lame, it was unreal – just a bunch of white people sitting, yes sitting, around, maybe nodding their heads when “The Way We Get By” was played. Not even some excitement for the amazing live rendition of “My Mathematical Mind,” which blew me away.

BOOOO white people at concerts, you lame-ass mother-fuckers!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

i woulda bopped with you

Spoon is really fun to rock to. even better with all those crazy drugs on the west coast i imagine.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

no no no no no

there’s absolutely no comparison between Chicago and SF for live music. I’d much rather be at the Hideout block party this weekend than watching Lynyrd Skynyrd wannabes in Berkeley (though the amount of weed smoked at that gig will be astounding).

vanillablue.wordpress.com

by vanillablue on Sep 19, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

then this is a good weekend for you! have a blast.

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

would be good if...

I lived in Chicago. Can’t really complain about living in SF though, on balance.

vanillablue.wordpress.com

by vanillablue on Sep 19, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

true indeed for that. yes sir.

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

who's playing the block party?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought the new pornos were involved in that shit

i am jelis

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez...I drop in to find lots of folks with sand up their bikini bottoms

Allow me to paraphrase from Goodfellas…“The Sox are big boys, they know what they’re doing.”

The bottom line is the Sox continue (at least for now) to control their destiny. So, they can continue to have cold bats and a GFS bullpen, or they can buck up like men, light a fire under their collective asses and put this thing away.

If not, they deserve to watch the playoffs on TV, or go golfing, or fishing, or join a wrestling league, etc.

On a more upbeat note…Happy 78th birthday Adam West!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 19, 2008 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

excellent.

And I am at least picking the sand out….
It was a rough night.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pick those crabs out while you're at it...

joking, haha.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's Friday

and that means chili for lunch

hooray

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

are you in prison or something?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

no

i just usually wind up eating chili on fridays

tried bringing some happiness to the board

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

we have pizza fridays

dominicks has 5 dollar pizzas and someone goes and picks them up. its a big ordeal

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, my office does pizza and beer Fridays...

Someone orders Ledo’s Pizza from Countryside and someone goes to Jewel or Binny’s for beer.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wish we did beer fridays

but i have a feeling that some parents would frown on the thought of their children’s teachers drinking at school

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

what do you do for a living

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

neat

i was just wondering

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

changing the world

one old rich person with 8 woods in their bag at a time.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am scared, SSH.

I used to frequent the Ledo’s in Countryside.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

fuck no.

ewww.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

how would you know if you don't remember it? just sayin'...

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't believe you, at least on the second point. but well played, regardless.

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely the truth. I have not given this site a reason to think I have been dishonest about anything I've ever said (that was not already a joke to begin).

So that’s the truth – I have been sick due to alcohol 5 times in my life – mostly because I stupidly mixed. Only one of those times gave me a hangover (a full bottle of chardonnay, consumed at home with my family).
Another one of those times was 3 weeks after I moved here, when Chiburb visited me. He and I drank so much over dinner that night, and I was so emotionally wrought with homesickness, that I went home and puked through tears. :)

Still to this day – one hangover in my life, and never so out of it that I forgot events. Seriously. I don’t really like the feeling of being drunk drunk…so I control it very well.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

very admirable.

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon baby...

We can change that. You never woke up not remembering or being embarrassed about what you did the night before? You don’t know what you are missing…

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are one creepy man

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are invited too, U-God.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

i don’t switch hit

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

TMI.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 19, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

:)

You are TMI!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

me neither!

this was meant to be. three way with SSH!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

yikes

and yikes.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I used to get a $5 takenbake from Dominicks every Friday when I lived in Chi!

now….I have Safeways.
They suck.
And do not have $5 takenbake.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

no...theirs are like $7. goi.

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

those are not that tasty as i recall

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Sox should be all over this guy in the offseason and see if Cooper can fix him...
Orioles placed RHP Daniel Cabrera on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to Sept. 14, with a right medial elbow sprain.
Cabrera is done for the season and may be finished in Baltimore if the Orioles choose not to tender him a contract via arbitration. His age-27 campaign ends at 8-10 with a 5.25 ERA and 95/90 K/BB ratio in 180 innings.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

there is no fixing him

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

If he comes cheaply, he would be worth a shot...

People said the same thing about Thornton, I’m sure. I didn’t think he could be fixed either.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

So are you saying we should turn him into a reliever?

cuz Leo Mazzone couldn’t even fix Cabrera

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 19, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

i take him every year with one of my last picks in the fantasy draft

and usually end up dropping him after his first 7 walk outing.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 19, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

you brought this up earlier in the year when we talked about trading for roberts....

and the possibility of trading for them both….

i would like to see what cooper can do with him

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Sep 19, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i think he'd be a great pickup

but i wonder if he’ll actually be under the radar. he’s had a high profile arm for a long time.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

greg walker wants his props

http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/773

darrin jackson? not so much…

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Sep 19, 2008 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

make that darrin jackson too!

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Sep 19, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wiz!

I didn’t welcome you back. And I hope whatever it is that was keeping you away (mom locked the basement? i know how that goes) has stopped doing that.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

quick survey my US pals, what soccer team do you support?

and if you don’t support one, then what excuse have you got for not supporting Leeds Utd.

regards

....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts

by hoodlight on Sep 19, 2008 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

celtic

barcelona, too.

i’ve never been able to pick a premier league side, but among the top 4 i would first root for liverpool and always against chelsea. i’ve got a friend who is a baggies supporter so i follow them as well.

celtic looked awful in the old firm match and are going to get their asses handed to them by ManU in the champions league.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 19, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Celtic are a massive club

but they suffer from playing in a league with only competition from one club, the Old Firm have been desperate to join the EPL for years now, but it will never happen

....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts

by hoodlight on Sep 19, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

why not?

seems like a good idea to me. more quality clubs would be great.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

it occurs to me that there would be plenty of indignation amongst English clubs though

so unless they made it a 21 club league (or 22 if Rangers got in too), not so much maybe?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arsenal

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Soccer" - nice touch, using the Yanks' native tongue.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 19, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

nomination for worst game recap comments ever.

and i didn’t even read the whole thing. what a pile of fucking idiocy and creepiness this is. great job ssh and royegan. and while i’d love to name the other contributing actors, that might deract from the performance of these two. bravo.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 19, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

my only response was that I could match SSH’s creepiness by posting that he never got that White Rotary Cheese Grater he was so desiring as a wedding gift, but I’m better than that.

by Christopher Michaels on Sep 19, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't ever cross the cheat.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 19, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

c'mon i need a name drop

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way...

Jim Thome is nine (9) plate appearances away from vesting on his 2009 option.

That got me thinking – how different is the 2009 team going to be from the 2008 version? Orlando Cabrera will likely be gone, Ken Griffey will almost definitely be gone.

C – Pierzynski
1B – Konerko
2B – ? (Getz? Uribe?)
3B – ? (Uribe? Fields?)
SS – Ramirez
LF – Quentin
CF – Swisher
RF – Dye
DH – Thome

I don’t know what they’ll do with the bench. The Sox have an option on Toby Hall, but I don’t know if they like him enough (or, probably more accurately, like any of the in-house alternatives) to exercise it. Anderson will almost certainly be back, if only because he’s cheap (I don’t think he’s arb-eligible until 2010, but I could be wrong about that). A lot will depend on how the starting lineup plays out – if the team doesn’t want to give Getz a starting job, for instance, he’s got a good chance of ending up on the bench.

C – ? (Hall?)
IF – ? (Getz?)
OF – Anderson
UT – ? (Bourgeois? Wise?)
Barring injury, the 2009 rotation should look exactly the same as the 2008 rotation. Perhaps a mediocre veteran will be brought in as fifth starter if the team decides that none of the youngsters are ready.

SP – Buehrle
SP – Vazquez
SP – Danks
SP – Floyd
SP – ? (Broadway? Richard?)

The bullpen will probably be half the same, half totally different.

RP – Jenks
RP – Thornton
RP – Linebrink
RP – Dotel
RP – ?
RP – ?
RP – ?

I guess the question is, what to do with this team? How much room will Kenny Williams have to operate, in terms of bringing in outside talent?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 19, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions  

seems a little early for an autopsy.

maybe others feel differently but this 1)will probably get buried here and it appears you did put some not inconsiderable thought into it so i suggest 2) saving this for a fanpost after the season is over.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 19, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not an autopsy...

it’s a look forward. It holds regardless of what, if anything, happens in October.

Mainly I was trying to change the subject away from (1) wailing and gnashing of teeth, or (2) personal attacks on other posters. They’re both boring and fruitless.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 19, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would lose half of my post count without #1...

and Larry would lose half of his post count without #2.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

a+ for effort.

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

frankly, i'm not sure that this is quite the appropriate time to draw attention away in this manner; looking ahead at this point doesn't seem correct. but that's just me. A for effort.

i’m probably a bit more worried about a topic like this getting buried at the end of the comments of a thread like this. i think there may be quite a few people who won’t even bother to read this. and i’d guess a new thread is coming soon.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 19, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's why i have the google doc!

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

twinks
Four straight losses knock the Twins’ Postseason Odds down to 12.4 percent, but that’s just a small part of a larger and even more ominous trend in which the team has gone 6-10 in September and 9-16 since August 22. The bullpen is a major problem; the walk-off homer Joe Nathan yielded to Victor Martinzez leaves Craig Breslow—Craig Breslow!—as the only Twins reliever with a positive WXRL since the All-Star break. Not helping is the fact that this power-challenged team has just 10 homers in September; they’re now last in the AL in that category.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8093

obvious chokers.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 19, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

The Sox are only one win better than the Twins in September.

Both teams have played like shit.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

unfortunately for the twins, playing like shit is worse for them than the sox.

perspective, ssh. in the last week, which is what the hit list comments are about, the sox improved their playoff chances while the twins have done a decent job of severely maiming theirs almost to the point of death. remember a couple weeks back when we both agreed that three in the loss column was a rather large amount? two in the loss column is even bigger than that was.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 19, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

This weekend may be bigger than the Twins series...

If the Sox can win two of three and the Twins lose two of three. But the Sox actually have to win, unfortunately.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 19, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The glass is half full

The Sox merely need to play one less “shit” game than the Twinkies to win it all.

Sweep KC…win 2 out of 3 in MN and then we can all just sit back and enjoy watching the bench play out the Cleveland series next weekend.

See you all there Saturday!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 19, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds good to me gater

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

you two homers go get a room and maybe you won't have to watch the sox CHOKE!

the legend of wu, the all-time leader in ypos+, pos+, opos+, and soon to be ropos+, grows.

by Toonderstrook on Sep 19, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does the room have beer and a 42" plasma TV?

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 19, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

no. just lots of lube.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 19, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

From your personal stash?

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 19, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez indeed does suck

but the worst in ChiSox history perhaps should go to Juan Agosto (or Juan Disgusto as he was affectionately called). If you look over your list of 15 worst, you’ll see that Juan comes in at number 6 for his 1986 season with the White Sox and Twins (although most of it was with the Twins where he posted a WHIP of 2.803).

by VAChisox on Sep 19, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Larry, now that you are here, what is your opinion on Ozzie pitching HoRam last night?

No need to beat me up for mine…
Just wondering what you think.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 19, 2008 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

It has been 102 years

since the Sox and Cubs have gone this deep in the season, both in first place.

Just sayin’.

(As heard on WSCR radio on Tuesday)

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 19, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

so we should maybe just be grateful and stop bitching and moaning?

i see.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the spirit!

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 19, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer bemoaning the fact that the Sox arent up 69.5 games on the twins

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i bemoan the fact that the sox aren't still hitting in the bottom of the first inning of their first ST game against colorado.

we all know the tone is set for the season back in february. personally, i blame the injury to jerry owens. he really would have been the spark plug for this team at the top of the order in that game.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 19, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

seriously

if jerry owens’ groin wouldn’t have been injured, we’d never have had Q! on the team, and instead of being a power hitting team, the sox would slap the ball all over the field, steal bases, and sacrifice bunt. damn groin

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 19, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

"there's no monorail here! not no way not no how!"

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 19, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

She probably doesn't watch the games.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 20, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Way too hot for a bum like Horacio...

Proof that girls just go after money.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 20, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is it just me, or does she look like the Joker?

At least the mouth and chin?

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 20, 2008 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

And she has to have a sense of humor, hanging out with Ho-Ram.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

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