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"[W]e don't act like we are in first place. We don't look like the team to beat. It seems like we are hoping for a win every day, and I don't think that that's the right attitude. Once the other team scores before us, that's what it seems like.

"One of the things we are missing right now is we don't know how to trail," Cabrera said. "Once the other team scores before us, it seems like we lose hope.

"I saw that yesterday. It was really pathetic,"

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he's right

Still, a playoff berth will make me really happy, regardless of what happens in the playoffs.

I’ll be at the Thursday Twins/Sox game.

by shaftr on Sep 21, 2008 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

i suppose it's interesting to hear it from a player.

but this isn’t anything groundbreaking. tallest midget contest.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 21, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

k, ssh.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 21, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I likes it.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 21, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

can i rec oc?

anyone want to resign this guy yet? I DO and DID way before Phil Rogers said it.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!!!

Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........

and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.

by ballyb on Sep 21, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

As larry rightly points out, 3 in the L column

with 7 (?) to play is huge. Not saying it’s a lock, but they would literally have to blow it.
They’re certainly capable of doing so, but so what? They make the playoffs or they don’t.
Of course I’m into every pitch of every remaining game, but considering our best projections before this marathon started, who, besides the aSSHole can complain?
Note to the former Cheat: if he’s negative enough to reference in a game recap, why is he still allowed to pollute the site?

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Sep 21, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

word who cares what ssh says neways

anyone want my playoff predictions?

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Twins basically have to sweep...

if they want to win the division. That’s certainly a possibility (terrible things have happened in that ballpark before), but the Sox are definitely in the driver’s seat. If the Sox win even one game, they still are in control going into the final weekend, and if they win two or more, it’s all over.

I don’t know what it means to “lose hope” once they fall behind. Do the hitters fall victim to despair and are unable to make solid contact?

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 21, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions  

it's about saying "it's not my fault they quit"

heading into free agency.

In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.

by Chiburb on Sep 21, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe "losing hope"...

is why Dye and Griffey look like they have concrete shoes on while they’re running around out there. They’re too despondent to run fast.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 21, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

old, stale atmosphere.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 21, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very important to take at least one

or you can envision the collar tightening a bit. “Mo” would be with the Twinkerbelles if they sweep the Sox (no guarantee, since the Sox would only be down 1/2 game, but the trend wold not be our friend).

One game – not imperative, but surely needed. Two games, sing Sniff ‘n the Tears ("Driver’s Seat", for those not coming of age in the ’70’s).

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 21, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

great tune

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PykVUnlTqXE

The greatest trick the White Sox ever pulled was convincing their fan base that "Ozzieball" ever existed.

by The Wizard on Sep 21, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just one of three in Minny...

Subjectively speaking, I think Cabrera’s comments make sense as the offense has looked rather ‘lethargic’ (again — completely subjective) the past week or two. But lethargic usually means not scoring runs and as such I’m not sure that a statement like his holds much water going forward. They’re slumping a bit, and it doesn’t help that the offense’s best player is out, but even without Q the Sox still have an average-ish (maybe a tad below) offense.

So yeah… get one in the POS dome. That’s pretty reasonable.

BTW, it was nice to see dominant Jenks return — good fastball, good curve and that nice little cutter/slider. His performance was very encouraging.

by CWSKeith on Sep 21, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

No, Jenks sucks. Get rid of him. He can't close.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 21, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

lets trade him this offseason!

oh wait… that guy stopped posting here! bobbysouthside?

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we really caught a break by getting to miss Liriano....

he looked very good today and he would have faced us without us having the benefit of having seen him earlier in the year.

I am looking forward to having Javy back on regular rest Tuesday night…….

The attitude can’t be let’s just steal 1 of 3…..we need to win the series.

by stanchar on Sep 21, 2008 6:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Depends on what you mean by "need to win"...

the series.

If you mean they literally need to win the series, no. Unless the Sox get swept, they’ll probably still win the division.

If you mean it would be bad atmospherically if the Twins win the series, well, maybe.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 21, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Say the Twins win 2 of 3...then it's at 1.5.....

I think it’s then very realistic to think that they sweep KC…..and CLE takes 2 of 3 from us….then we fight for survival against Det….then hopefully force the playoff against MIN….

by stanchar on Sep 21, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice fantasy baseball name

“the Elduque’s raft’s”

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

NICE

“El Duque’s raft mates” would be good too.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol.

“very realistic”. only in the minds of crazy sox fans.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 21, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Very realistic"?

The scenario you describe basically forces the Twins to sweep in the final weekend. Sweeps are pretty rare, even at home against 70-win teams.

Any scenario where the Twins have to win their series AND the Sox have to lose their series means the Sox probably win the division.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 21, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least we are 2-1 in our last 3 road games

=X

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was anyone else surprised at how much Tampa celebrated clinching a playoff spot?

I understand that the organization has been through a lot and this is a big step in the right direction, but they’re still in a tight race for the division. Certainly grabbing a spot in the playoffs is nothing to scoff at. It seemed like it was a bit over the top.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 21, 2008 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

First playoff berth in franchise history?

Means a little don’t you think?

I was a little surprised at how much the Cubbies celebrated yesterday. Though it may have been moreso for the fans (spraying them with champagne=aiding to frat boy’s date rapes), winning a division shouldn’t matter much to them. That being said, I still would love to see the Sox have some fun after clinching the Central, perhaps burning an effigy of Punto.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 21, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I agree, it does

I just thought it was a bit over the top considering the division is still on the line. Maybe it’s more like what larry said and teams really don’t care what they win as long as they’re in.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 21, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think that's the case.

now, if they celebrate as much/more if and when they clinch the division, i’ll be with you.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 21, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

My Sox '09 lineup

3B C Figgins
CF R Baldelli
LF Q
DH Thome
RF Dye
1B Swisher
SS Alexei
C AJ
2B Uribe/A Kennedy platoon

by stanchar on Sep 21, 2008 6:58 PM CDT reply actions  

why

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 21, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

to the pitching for a sec.....

my destination for Mr. Jenks is Tampa Bay

by stanchar on Sep 21, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

For Baldelli?

I’m something of a believer in trading relievers at their peak, because they’re so volatile, but I wouldn’t give up anything of value for Baldelli. He’d be worth a flyer as a free agent, but I’m not convinced that he’ll ever be productive and healthy for any length of time.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 21, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Rocco is a FA...not sure....

definitely enough young talent in that organization to find a match for Bobby…..they need a proven closer and of course will not sign KROD…..

by stanchar on Sep 21, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zobrist, Sonnanstine, C Bradford, and a

significant AA or AAA prospect for Bobby would do it for me.

by stanchar on Sep 21, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would for me, too.

I don’t think it would do it for the Rays, though.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 21, 2008 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it would.....

Bradford means nothing to them….but gives us another veteran arm in our pen.

Sonnanstine has had a nice season…..but they can just plug in Price to go with Kaz, Shields, Jackson, etc…

Zobrist isn’t that valuable to them either…

by stanchar on Sep 21, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kennedy is due to make about 3 mil or so next year.....and the Cards will dump him...most Sox would

have to pay is about a mil….and he’s had a couple of down years….but I think he’s a pretty decent 9 hitter and has a decent glove.

by stanchar on Sep 21, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

They already have Chris Getz.

There’s no reason to bring in the 2B version of Darin Erstad.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 21, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yes there is

This team lacks hustle.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 21, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like the idea.

eminently disposable if getz outplays him and wins the job. adam is a good glove to have, especially with my reservations about ramirez at SS.

fight like a cat: paws up. - ozzie

by larry on Sep 21, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth

I remember a quote from Ozzie during ST saying Ramirez was unbelieveable at SS.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 21, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression that SS was his “natural” position.

Although, I suppose he could be naturally mediocre at SS. I can’t imagine him be terrible.

by ReservoirDog on Sep 21, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I could see this

cf ichiro
ss Ocab
lf Q
dh Thome
rf dye
3b beltre
1b swisher
2b alexei
c aj

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

who's left pitching

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 21, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is more of a hopeful line up.

I am assuming losing a 100 games with a 100+ mil payroll will mean some new faces are coming in. Just a hunch though.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whither Konerko in all these scenarios?

and seriously — why the discussion of 2009 again? We’ll have many many months to discuss that (in not too long a time, even if the Sox get into the playoffs).

by CWSKeith on Sep 21, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel the sox can compete with any AL team that makes the playoffs

No team in baseball is invincible this year. I think we will start seeing starters go longer and or MLB shorten the season due to the inept bull-pens of EVERY team. The Cubs look strong but they will be exposed if their starters can’t go more than 6 innings, same for the Angels, Rays, Red Sox, White Sox/Twins and the other playoff bound NL teams (who are irrelevant).

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way MLB shortens the season

If anything, they’ll move up the date to expand rosters.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 21, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol why does Kruk hate the white sox again?

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

no clue

he posted a solid line for the 45 games he was with us

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 21, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Kruk retire after getting a hit with the Sox...

to ensure that he would finish his career with a .300 AVG?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 21, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

wiz be easy...

Phillips loves the white sox, lets not piss him off! He had the sox competing before a lot of those assholes swallowed their pride and their love for d-town/c-land.

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 21, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree that the Sox seem to struggle when behind (and I like that someone spoke up),

but Cabrera was 0 – 3 with 2 Ks after the Royals went up 3 – 0.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........

and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.

by ballyb on Sep 21, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

His choice of words, "It was really pathetic,"

wasn’t the best either, IMO.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........

and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.

by ballyb on Sep 21, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's that big of a deal actually

I’d prefer to hear something like that from a player than Ozzie. Sorry for another reference to next year, but I can’t wait for the Legend of OC to take on mythical proportions for his fire and passion. Perhaps a Legend Lite.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 21, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't care about the frail collective psyche of the Sox...just win the next series.

In fact, I doubt a collective psyche exists, but I stopped playing baseball in little league so maybe I just don’t understand.

In any case I’d much rather have the Sox hitters going over tape of Baker/Blackburn/Slowey than reading self-help books. 7 games to go in the season isn’t the time for introspection in my worthless opinion.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 21, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

WTF,

Wiz & Chiburb posting.

Is this a “Back to the Future” thread?

Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........

and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.

by ballyb on Sep 21, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

And the other, Wiz.

Much is starting to come together.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight.........

and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer for the Sox bullpen. Call in some chits.

by ballyb on Sep 21, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey cheat we won.

Can’t we get a recap or something to reflect the fact that we just won a huge game in a pennant race?! Headlining grumbling from the previous loss over the more recent win?To paraphrase Tdogg you guys need some Prozac!

I think we ought to call Thome and Konerko the "Cholesterol Brothers" because of the way they clog the bases.

by bhoov on Sep 21, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I meant to make this comment when I posted it

The ’05 Sox went 2 months (from late July to late September) without winning a game in which they trailed by 2 runs.

Which I complained about loudly that season.

by Christopher Michaels on Sep 21, 2008 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

If memory serves correct,

of the 11 playoff wins, only three were comebacks. 2 four run deficits (Gm2 Bos and Gm3 Hou) and one two run(Gm 2 Hou). Nevertheless, that is a fascinating fact about that team considering nobody remembers any of their losses or any of their shortcomings.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 21, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The JOE CREDE! game in September against CLE

was the first game in 2 months that they came back from a deficit of more than one

by Christopher Michaels on Sep 21, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I definitely believe it

That team wasn’t known for its ability to consistently put up crooked numbers

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 21, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was the 2005 team just not this year's Angels...with probably more power in the lineup?

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 22, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

So first Buehrle with the quote about needing a 2.5 game lead over the Twins...

because he expects to lose at the Twinkiedome and now this? Definitely doesn’t seem like they expect to win every night out there.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 21, 2008 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

its called saying the right thing

not giving the other team bulletin board material and not looking like a jackass when the media talks to you

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 22, 2008 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love how the seven year old is bawling

The kid probably thinks this is the last game the Yankees are ever playing

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 21, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that were true

I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Sep 22, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ding ding ding

The Sox came within a Teahen’s eyelash of tying Saturday’s game in the ninth and setting themselves up for a sweep. For me, though, that highlighted their live-by-the-homer-die-by-anything-less mindset this season.

Perhaps Wise’s first-inning baserunning yesterday provides a glint of a new dimension for this year’s team, as aberrational as it was, certainly since about May. A reminder of what teams like Minnesota and Tampa Bay have been doing to the Sox this year.

by tommyjoepeters on Sep 22, 2008 8:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Hogwash

The team has come back several times in home games. They simply are not a good road team. This whole year its been the same roller coaster, and I cannot understand why anyone thinks after 140+ games and weakened by injuries they will somehow begin to play better on the road. When they set out on this trip I felt like 4-6 was likely, attainable and would be enough. That is still the case.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 22, 2008 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed 100%.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

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