White Sox Take Extra Day Off Before Key Twins Series
I don't want to sound too hyperbolic, because a win in tomorrow's game with the Twins puts the White Sox right back at square one, 2.5 games up with 4+ games left to play, but the Sox looked like a team that had already begun to play out the string Tuesday night; like they had conceded the fact that they can't play in domes (4-14 in '08), let alone the Metrodome in September with the season on the line.
Ozzie Guillen issued a challenge to Javier Vazquez this week with some less than flattering comments. Vazquez responded by saying he didn't care, the controversy 'overblown,' then let it slip that he was teething "had an ear infection," or some other infantile malady. Vazquez had the opportunity to prove his detractors wrong; to reinvent himself as an ace, if only for a short time, as Jose Contreras did in late '05. But with the ear infection talk, it was almost as if he was looking for an out, an excuse for his poor performance, even before he threw a pitch.
Vazquez was staked* to early lead thanks to what appeared to be some inspired play by the white, immobile veterans. Jim Thome led off the second inning with a opposite field single to beat the shift, and advanced to third when he got a great read on Paul Konerko's bloop single (Yes, you read that right.). That was the extent of the Sox offensive highlights for the night, however, as Ken Griffey Jr. erased the threat, and gave the Sox the lead, with a routine double play ball.
Vazquez greeted the lead by throwing 6 straight balls to put the go-ahead run at the plate with a hitter's count. Seconds later, Hawk broke into "and we've got ourselves a 2-1 game" about halfway through Jason Kubel's swing on an absolute no-duobter of a homerun on a hanging changeup from Vazquez. In the span of 8 minutes, the Sox had gone from runners on the corners nobody out, to down by 1, and going through the motions.
Kubel led off the bottom of the 4th with a triple beyond the reach of a diving Griffey (read: an out for Brian Anderson), and quickly scored a bloop double that fell in front of Jermaine Dye (poor range again allowing the ball to find safety). What Griffey and Dye lack in range, they've clearly made up for at the plate, especially since Quentin's departure. (.257/.325/.343 6 extra-base hits, 0 HR for Dye; .244/.311/.341 4 XBH, 0 HR for Griffey)
The entire inning was a microcosm of the difference between the two clubs. Minnesota's first two runs of the inning came courtesy of the Sox' poor defense combined with some timely hitting, while their final run crossed home thanks to a stolen base and a suicide squeeze. The Sox showed a faint heartbeat in the top of the fifth, when the first two batters reached on a hit and a walk. The runners would stay right there for two outs, however, and when Orlando Cabrera came up with a clutch hit with a Runner In Scoring Position, the Sox only such hit on the night, Junior was unable to score.
That just about says it all right there. The Sox get a rare hit w/ RISP, nobody scores; and their offensive highlight is a second inning GIDP that plates a run. I suppose you could count Griffey's 9th inning HR as a highlight if 9th-inning-down-by-8-run-homers are your type of thing, but I can't count any play that makes his presence in tomorrow's lineup more likely as a highlight. The Sox finished the game win 1 extra base hit (Griffey's 26th out HR), and only put a runner in scoring position, a laughable term with this team, in the 2nd and 5th innings.
If there was a You-Just-Have-To-Laugh moment in Tuesday night's mess, it had to be the last inning. First it was Horacio Ramirez proving he is good for something; he's good for a perfect inning of work anytime the game has a margin of 8 runs. Seriously, he has two perfect outings in his White Sox career, one in the 9th while up by 8 runs, and Tuesday in the 8th with the Sox trailing by 8. You can't make that shit up. Then it was Griffey, who hasn't homered in over a month, putting one deep over the baggy, all but ensuring he'll see more time in center this series.
Back when I was wondering what the heck the Griffey deal was all about, I never could have imagined that we'd still be complaining about Griffey in center field in the final week of the season... with the Sox holding onto a 1.5 game lead... in a Carlos Quentin-less outfield... with Nick Swisher on the bench. I gave Joe Cowley shit earlier in the year when he called Cabrera the 4th best shortstop on the White Sox--Cabrera's hit .301/.353/.392 since then--but you could honestly make a case for Griffey, who is, without a doubt, a first-ballot HOFer, being the Sox' 4th best CFer right now; even on a night when he drove in all 3 of the Sox runs.
Is it OK for me to use the word staked as a verb here, or does the only acceptable use refer to the act of driving a peg through Vazquez?
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Tomorrow's game is a must-win...
Blackburn has been the Twins second worse starter lately after Perkins. I think we all know what happens in the third game of this series if the Twins win the first two.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on Sep 23, 2008 11:58 PM CDT 0 recs
definitely tomorrow is a must win
and i’m glad to see burls on the mound…let’s get it done
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Sep 24, 2008 12:08 AM CDT
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this comment is giving me some serious déjà vu.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 24, 2008 12:47 AM CDT
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He realized people would stop going to the game thread, so he had to post it again here to make sure everyone read his doom and gloom scenario.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on
Sep 24, 2008 12:52 AM CDT
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god forbid his words of wisdom did not make it to whatever was the most recent/popular thread.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 24, 2008 12:53 AM CDT
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So you disagree with the comment?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 24, 2008 1:02 AM CDT
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It doesn't matter whether or not we agree with you.
That wasn’t the point.
Why so serious?
by reardenmettle on
Sep 24, 2008 1:33 AM CDT
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I just want to tell you both good luck, we're all counting on you.
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 24, 2008 1:01 AM CDT
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rec'd.
I am serious. And don’t call me Shirley.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 24, 2008 1:03 AM CDT
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And you certainly have the drinking problem part down.
Or is that Colin?
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 24, 2008 1:27 AM CDT
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if you're asking me if i have a problem with colin, then the answer is yes. drinking? debatable.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 24, 2008 1:30 AM CDT
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looks like i picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue
Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."
by thecip on
Sep 24, 2008 8:51 AM CDT
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i keep hearing this line in leslie nielson's voice in my head and grinning to myself.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 24, 2008 5:25 PM CDT
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college messes with my mind....
oh wait that’s the drinking
takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm
by furby2056 on
Sep 24, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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Didn't you already say this?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 8:34 AM CDT
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Yes, yes you did.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 8:35 AM CDT
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Record correction:
The Sox are 4-14 in Domes. They took 2 out of 3 against the Rays in Tampa earlier in the year.
(I’d forgotten about it too, until somebody corrected me.)
Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine
by Sox Machine on Sep 23, 2008 11:59 PM CDT 0 recs
Modifying the last line from the linked Griffey piece
there was a game last night. And it sucked. And there will be a lot written about momentum, and ejections softball lineups, and stuff being thrown on the field the mentality of playing in the dome… against the Twins… in September. And not a lick of it will have any staying power as a narrative if the Sox rebound and start kicking kick ass over the final two months tomorrow.
by Christopher Michaels on Sep 24, 2008 12:11 AM CDT 0 recs
I just don't know...
how a management ‘team’ as intelligent as Ozzie and Kenny can be so stubborn on Griffey playing CF. It has to be the most mind-boggling decision in their (collective) tenure. I can see the case for Griffey playing over Swisher — I’d love to make an argument for Swish but he’s OPSing under .550 in his last 75 PA — but man, why not left field? I don’t know if I can recall seeing something so ridiculously absurd… seriously, was there anybody who thought Griffey could still even fake a CFer, statheads, media pundits and “experts” alike?
I also don’t want to get into the overblown hyperbole that you’re going to see everywhere, but damn if every single facet of this game was discouraging from Vazquez’ miserable performance (how many sliders did he hang in those four+ innings — 10 or more?) to the same, lethargic offense. Dye has been miserable since Q’s injury, and while Thome has stayed steady, he’s no longer the 150 OPS+ guy that can carry the team by his lonesome.
And finally — going off-tangent for a second here — listening to the Twins broadcast made this all the more painful. I want Bert Blyleven so badly to get hit in the groin. I hate having to sit through a game with those two schmucks on the mic.
by CWSKeith on Sep 24, 2008 12:27 AM CDT 0 recs
argh -- that comes off as if I'm singling out Thome.
I’m not — he’s far down the list as far as current problems. Pierzynski has also been complete ass lately, and I think the knee injury took a bit of wind out of Konerko’s hot streak. I’m (quite obviously) not speaking in reality here, but at this point it might be best for Ozzie to just put out the best defensive group he can for these next two games (Wise in left, BA in center) and hope for the best.
by CWSKeith on
Sep 24, 2008 12:32 AM CDT
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Just turn the volume all the way down
It’s quite a soothing way to watch a baseball game actually. I had to do it with Hawk tonight. Re: Griffey, maybe Ozzie just doesn’t understand outfield defense. Nobody on their coaching staff (not counting Harold) played in the outfield so maybe nobody knows what the hell they’re looking at. I fully realize how lame this excuse is, but there has to be a reason and that’s the one I’m sticking with.
Also, I would love for the first question to Ozzie and Kenny at Soxfest to be about this. Ozzie demanded his third baseman catch the ball and not worry about hitting which is why Uribe initially played over Fields. So why did he do the opposite in CF.
by El Duque's Raft on
Sep 24, 2008 12:33 AM CDT
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I actually didn't mind when my mlbtv sound kept cutting out last night. Those Twins guys are fucks.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 8:41 AM CDT
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Yes, please ask at Soxfest. Please show up with burning torches.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 8:41 AM CDT
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Playing Ken Griffey, Jr. over Nick Swisher or BA
at this point is just plain batshit crazy — until (and if) we clinch, I don’t need to see him in any role other than as a late inning lefty PH. The man is clearly just completely dead. Not just resting, not pining for the fjords; dead. He is an un-parrot. If he really wants to play for a World Series team, he should start by taking himself out of the lineup. Larry’s train wreck posts way back when were obviously spot-on — this is rapidly turning into Erstad-esque debacle.
Not a big point, but was anyone else kind of amazed to see Boone Logan in this game? Sure, the game was sorta out of hand (6 runs and it seemed like more), but good God, the man has sucked as hard as it is possible to suck at every level since freakin’ May, and basically laid down on the job in Yankee Stadium last week. I honestly thought we had seen the last of him in a Sox uniform.
And I’ve said it many times tonight, but I’ll say it again anyway: Javy Vazquez is an annoying, annoying man. 6 straight balls to lead off the 2nd in the biggest game of the year after your team takes the lead on the road? Nice work. No. Seriously. Nice work.
by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 24, 2008 12:32 AM CDT 0 recs
At this point
he should be a pinch hitter in an extra inning game when Thome has been taken out for a pinch runner. That’s his only value.
by El Duque's Raft on
Sep 24, 2008 12:36 AM CDT
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Top 10 current uses for Ken Griffey, Jr.:
10. Pinch hitter in extra inning game when Thome has been taken out for a pinch runner
9. Emergency 7th catcher
8. Emergency team bus driver
7. Designated high-giver/fist-puncher/forearm-basher
6. Foil/straight-man for witty mid-inning repartee between Harold, Herm and Oney
5. Masturbatory device for Hawk and DJ
4. Ballast for team blimp/hot air balloon/see-saw
3. Kindling
2. Bait
1. Shiny new toy for KW
It’s certainly hard to dislike the guy, but this is not the time or place for the gold watch treatment.
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 24, 2008 12:54 AM CDT
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question re: #7.
when you say designated high-giver, are you suggesting that he deal drugs to his teammates? or that he be somehow ingested by his teammates in such a way that they get a euphoric feeling?
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 24, 2008 1:00 AM CDT
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#7 (addition)
ear-grabber
(as in, when BA is actually playing (if that ever happens) and gets an actual timely hit, and actually contributes positively to the team, Griffey can grab his big ol’ ears and shake his head in congratulation…like that one time)
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 9:09 AM CDT
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gold watch treatment?
Maybe we should hide him up someone’s asshole for a couple years….
“I wore this uncomfortable hunk of HOFer up my ass….”
And yes – kindling – excellent.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 9:11 AM CDT
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There's a reason...
that Hobby is 12 – 15 this season and 127 – 128 in his career. Wins and losses are normally the worst way to judge a pitcher but Vazquez is just a loser, especially when it comes to big games. No one with his supposed ace-quality stuff should be 127 – 128 in his career.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 24, 2008 12:39 AM CDT
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And how fitting is it...
that Vazquez had his best season in a long while last year when the Sox were far out of contention?
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 24, 2008 12:40 AM CDT
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Yeah, but he was great with Montreal in the late 90's and early 00's, when they were ...
Oh. Right.
I do not buy the “he’s just a loser” argument. I do not buy the “weak psyche” argument. But it doesn’t matter, because at the end of the day you and I come to the same place (gulp).
The fact is that the guy is consistently inconsistent and maddeningly unreliable, particularly against good teams. If we make the playoffs, he’s gotta be the number 4 (and if Contreras were healthy, Javy would be in the bullpen).
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 24, 2008 1:18 AM CDT
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I buy the "he's a punk" argument
See below.
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on
Sep 24, 2008 1:18 AM CDT
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The "he's a punk" argument?
In what regard, Charlie?
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 24, 2008 1:21 AM CDT
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eloquent, yet understated.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 24, 2008 1:31 AM CDT
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He's just one of those guys you know will never pull it together
and live up to his potential.
All the talent in the world and for whatever reason, when things really matter, in the “big games”, can’t play up to that talent level.
He is what he is.
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on
Sep 24, 2008 1:33 AM CDT
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i think hawk made a pretty poignant comment when he talked about javy's pitch selection issues.
he seems to lack a killer instinct in that regard. he has several good pitches, but there is simply no need to show every batter every one of them, especially in the same at-bat. they can’t hit the fastball? why give them anything else? always try to keep something in reserve. he hangs way too many pitches, too, but i think that ties into pitch selection. it’s difficult to throw several different pitches well and in good locations in an at-bat. by that i mean it’s tough to have a good feel for several different pitches in an outing, let alone constantly interchanging between all of them.
You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.
by MarketMaker on
Sep 24, 2008 2:02 AM CDT
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how much of this is that asshole behind the plate trying to make him look bad?
"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11
term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz
by Where Triples Go to Die on
Sep 24, 2008 8:12 AM CDT
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in defense of javy
it was a horseshit idea to send him out there against the yankees twice in yankee stadium. short rest, against a team that hits pretty well, that just saw him a few days before is a recipe for disaster.
And now they might use him on short rest again on saturday, putting him at 4 games in 12 days.
Its hard for any pitcher to look good in that situation.
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on
Sep 24, 2008 8:37 AM CDT
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Cowley is on this mission to single out the scared players
honestly, who could he mean? It’s no one on the infield. Certainly Thome’s career numbers in the dome don’t seem to indicate he’s shaking in his booties. Dye’s played on the biggest stage. The only people who stand out are Javy and Boone. Is Boone’s mental capacity really going to determine if the Sox win or not. I mean, come on.
by El Duque's Raft on Sep 24, 2008 12:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Pierzynski opened the story up...
I would like to know why Buehrle was talking about needing a 2.5 game lead before they get to Minnesota and talking about how they suck at the Metrodome. Gotta love that defeatist attitude by your top players.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 24, 2008 12:43 AM CDT
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Buehrle is a hick, I'm not too worried about what he has to say
by El Duque's Raft on
Sep 24, 2008 12:44 AM CDT
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Buehrle wasn't the only player to mention the team's weak psyche...
Cabrera and Pierzynski did as well.
"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry
by SSH2005 on
Sep 24, 2008 12:46 AM CDT
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Right, who the hell are they talking about?
by El Duque's Raft on
Sep 24, 2008 12:48 AM CDT
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Maybe instead of a new hitting coach
they should have a team therapist. Do these guys really have that short of memories? They won a huge series here in ‘05 and really the last time anything catastrophic to their playoff chances happened was in ’03. And there are exactly two people left from that team on this one. I mean, do you think Swisher and Wise are waxing poetically about that series? There’s no reason for anyone’s psyche to be affected by the dome. The only people who have negative memories with it are the fans and the media.
by El Duque's Raft on
Sep 24, 2008 12:55 AM CDT
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The mind is a strange thing, men.
We must begin by asking it "What is losing?
Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as polio.
Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as syphilis.
Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as bubonic plague…
… attacking one…
… but infecting all.
But curable.
Now, I want you to imagine … you are on a ship at sea…on a vast sea…gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 24, 2008 1:09 AM CDT
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4:30 PM., this afternoon.
HERE.
EVERYONE.
You’re the leader, TAEG.
If we all do it together, ………
It’s not going to hurt.
Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.
by ballyb on
Sep 24, 2008 7:26 AM CDT
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should i get my black nikes on?
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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Whatever it takes.
Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.
by ballyb on
Sep 24, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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uh el guapos sir
i think my ship is on fire.
’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk
by e-gus on
Sep 24, 2008 8:27 AM CDT
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AJ has no room to talk unless he is beating up on himself. That much is true.
He has blown. At bat, on the bases, and behind the plate, through and through.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 9:30 AM CDT
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I don't think this automatically implies a "defeatist attitude." It can't just mean he would prefer a cushion heading into the series in a place notorious for shutting us down?
I don’t think I saw the original article, so maybe I’m missing context. But I don’t consider him wanting a bigger division lead, a “defeatist attitude.”
I don’t see what the big fucking deal is with players (ones who are actually showing up and performing for the fucking games ie; OC and MB) making very true statements about the team and the season.
It’s no secret that we have suffered since the loss of Q, whether that is the direct reason is irrelevant….
We are struggling. That’s not defeatist, that is the truth. And I certainly have no problem with the best players on the team acknowledging that.
...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.
by homesickalien on
Sep 24, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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if sox make it to playoffs
it will be more dome time in tampa bay
by The Scoper on Sep 24, 2008 12:49 AM CDT 0 recs
Vazquez is a punk
Vazquez is a punk like Benson was a punk for the Bears.
Worse even because Vazquez is immensely talented but lacks the discipline to actually do anything with that talent when it matters. Ear infection. Please. How ridiculous is that shit – Q fucking broke his arm and the only thing keeping him off the field is Herm saying no.
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 1:17 AM CDT 0 recs
"discipline"
couldn’t it…ah, fuck. why bother? people have taken the “javy has great stuff ergo it must be a mental issue” hawkism hook, line, sinker.
the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.
by larry on
Sep 24, 2008 8:55 AM CDT
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You have an alternative explanation?
Then be out with it.
Also not everything Hawk says is false – and to say there is not a mental aspect to the game of baseball would be a pretty ridiculous statement!
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on
Sep 24, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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i've written enough about javy in the past. people can believe whatever garbage they want.
the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.
by larry on
Sep 24, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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Sorry I don't feel like searching through Larry's collected works right now
Want to refresh me?
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on
Sep 24, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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no, not particularly.
apparently i lack the discipline.
the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.
by larry on
Sep 24, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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Certainly not lacking the holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude
So if you’re not going to posit an alternative explanation, why not just sit this one out champ?
Thanks.
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on
Sep 24, 2008 9:33 AM CDT
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i've already posited the alternative explanation multiple times in response to the same garbage. i'm pretty sure i said right at the start "why bother?" my thoughts on constructively rebutting the idiocy of sox fans and sports "experts" today are obvious.
the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.
by larry on
Sep 24, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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Yeah, well I'm a little sick and tired of you
coming into a thread, criticizing some statement (without backing it up) and without positing your ideas either.
It’s your version of shitting on a thread.
If you got something to say about my ideas, back it up. Otherwise STFU.
White Sox, that’s baseball.
by vince_ on
Sep 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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