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White Sox Take Extra Day Off Before Key Twins Series

I don't want to sound too hyperbolic, because a win in tomorrow's game with the Twins puts the White Sox right back at square one, 2.5 games up with 4+ games left to play, but the Sox looked like a team that had already begun to play out the string Tuesday night; like they had conceded the fact that they can't play in domes (4-14 in '08), let alone the Metrodome in September with the season on the line.

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Ozzie Guillen issued a challenge to Javier Vazquez this week with some less than flattering comments. Vazquez responded by saying he didn't care, the controversy 'overblown,' then let it slip that he was teething "had an ear infection," or some other infantile malady. Vazquez had the opportunity to prove his detractors wrong; to reinvent himself as an ace, if only for a short time, as Jose Contreras did in late '05. But with the ear infection talk, it was almost as if he was looking for an out, an excuse for his poor performance, even before he threw a pitch.

Vazquez was staked* to early lead thanks to what appeared to be some inspired play by the white, immobile veterans. Jim Thome led off the second inning with a opposite field single to beat the shift, and advanced to third when he got a great read on Paul Konerko's bloop single (Yes, you read that right.). That was the extent of the Sox offensive highlights for the night, however, as Ken Griffey Jr. erased the threat, and gave the Sox the lead, with a routine double play ball.

Vazquez greeted the lead by throwing 6 straight balls to put the go-ahead run at the plate with a hitter's count. Seconds later, Hawk broke into "and we've got ourselves a 2-1 game" about halfway through Jason Kubel's swing on an absolute no-duobter of a homerun on a hanging changeup from Vazquez. In the span of 8 minutes, the Sox had gone from runners on the corners nobody out, to down by 1, and going through the motions.

Kubel led off the bottom of the 4th with a triple beyond the reach of a diving Griffey (read: an out for Brian Anderson), and quickly scored a bloop double that fell in front of Jermaine Dye (poor range again allowing the ball to find safety). What Griffey and Dye lack in range, they've clearly made up for at the plate, especially since Quentin's departure. (.257/.325/.343 6 extra-base hits, 0 HR for Dye; .244/.311/.341 4 XBH, 0 HR for Griffey)

The entire inning was a microcosm of the difference between the two clubs. Minnesota's first two runs of the inning came courtesy of the Sox' poor defense combined with some timely hitting, while their final run crossed home thanks to a stolen base and a suicide squeeze. The Sox showed a faint heartbeat in the top of the fifth, when the first two batters reached on a hit and a walk. The runners would stay right there for two outs, however, and when Orlando Cabrera came up with a clutch hit with a Runner In Scoring Position, the Sox only such hit on the night, Junior was unable to score.

That just about says it all right there. The Sox get a rare hit w/ RISP, nobody scores; and their offensive highlight is a second inning GIDP that plates a run. I suppose you could count Griffey's 9th inning HR as a highlight if 9th-inning-down-by-8-run-homers are your type of thing, but I can't count any play that makes his presence in tomorrow's lineup more likely as a highlight. The Sox finished the game win 1 extra base hit (Griffey's 26th out HR), and only put a runner in scoring position, a laughable term with this team, in the 2nd and 5th innings.

If there was a You-Just-Have-To-Laugh moment in Tuesday night's mess, it had to be the last inning. First it was Horacio Ramirez proving he is good for something; he's good for a perfect inning of work anytime the game has a margin of 8 runs. Seriously, he has two perfect outings in his White Sox career, one in the 9th while up by 8 runs, and Tuesday in the 8th with the Sox trailing by 8. You can't make that shit up. Then it was Griffey, who hasn't homered in over a month, putting one deep over the baggy, all but ensuring he'll see more time in center this series.

Back when I was wondering what the heck the Griffey deal was all about, I never could have imagined that we'd still be complaining about Griffey in center field in the final week of the season... with the Sox holding onto a 1.5 game lead... in a Carlos Quentin-less outfield... with Nick Swisher on the bench. I gave Joe Cowley shit earlier in the year when he called Cabrera the 4th best shortstop on the White Sox--Cabrera's hit .301/.353/.392 since then--but you could honestly make a case for Griffey, who is, without a doubt, a first-ballot HOFer, being the Sox' 4th best CFer right now; even on a night when he drove in all 3 of the Sox runs.

Is it OK for me to use the word staked as a verb here, or does the only acceptable use refer to the act of driving a peg through Vazquez?

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Tomorrow's game is a must-win...

Blackburn has been the Twins second worse starter lately after Perkins. I think we all know what happens in the third game of this series if the Twins win the first two.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 23, 2008 11:58 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

definitely tomorrow is a must win

and i’m glad to see burls on the mound…let’s get it done

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Sep 24, 2008 12:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this comment is giving me some serious déjà vu.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 12:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rec'd.

I am serious. And don’t call me Shirley.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 1:03 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

looks like i picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 24, 2008 8:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i keep hearing this line in leslie nielson's voice in my head and grinning to myself.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 5:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

college messes with my mind....

oh wait that’s the drinking

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Sep 24, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't you already say this?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 8:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, yes you did.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 8:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Record correction:

The Sox are 4-14 in Domes. They took 2 out of 3 against the Rays in Tampa earlier in the year.

(I’d forgotten about it too, until somebody corrected me.)

Chip, chip, chip, chip.
Sox Machine

by Sox Machine on Sep 23, 2008 11:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Modifying the last line from the linked Griffey piece

there was a game last night. And it sucked. And there will be a lot written about momentum, and ejections softball lineups, and stuff being thrown on the field the mentality of playing in the dome… against the Twins… in September. And not a lick of it will have any staying power as a narrative if the Sox rebound and start kicking kick ass over the final two months tomorrow.

by Christopher Michaels on Sep 24, 2008 12:11 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don't know...

how a management ‘team’ as intelligent as Ozzie and Kenny can be so stubborn on Griffey playing CF. It has to be the most mind-boggling decision in their (collective) tenure. I can see the case for Griffey playing over Swisher — I’d love to make an argument for Swish but he’s OPSing under .550 in his last 75 PA — but man, why not left field? I don’t know if I can recall seeing something so ridiculously absurd… seriously, was there anybody who thought Griffey could still even fake a CFer, statheads, media pundits and “experts” alike?

I also don’t want to get into the overblown hyperbole that you’re going to see everywhere, but damn if every single facet of this game was discouraging from Vazquez’ miserable performance (how many sliders did he hang in those four+ innings — 10 or more?) to the same, lethargic offense. Dye has been miserable since Q’s injury, and while Thome has stayed steady, he’s no longer the 150 OPS+ guy that can carry the team by his lonesome.

And finally — going off-tangent for a second here — listening to the Twins broadcast made this all the more painful. I want Bert Blyleven so badly to get hit in the groin. I hate having to sit through a game with those two schmucks on the mic.

by CWSKeith on Sep 24, 2008 12:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

argh -- that comes off as if I'm singling out Thome.

I’m not — he’s far down the list as far as current problems. Pierzynski has also been complete ass lately, and I think the knee injury took a bit of wind out of Konerko’s hot streak. I’m (quite obviously) not speaking in reality here, but at this point it might be best for Ozzie to just put out the best defensive group he can for these next two games (Wise in left, BA in center) and hope for the best.

by CWSKeith on Sep 24, 2008 12:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just turn the volume all the way down

It’s quite a soothing way to watch a baseball game actually. I had to do it with Hawk tonight. Re: Griffey, maybe Ozzie just doesn’t understand outfield defense. Nobody on their coaching staff (not counting Harold) played in the outfield so maybe nobody knows what the hell they’re looking at. I fully realize how lame this excuse is, but there has to be a reason and that’s the one I’m sticking with.

Also, I would love for the first question to Ozzie and Kenny at Soxfest to be about this. Ozzie demanded his third baseman catch the ball and not worry about hitting which is why Uribe initially played over Fields. So why did he do the opposite in CF.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 24, 2008 12:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Playing Ken Griffey, Jr. over Nick Swisher or BA

at this point is just plain batshit crazy — until (and if) we clinch, I don’t need to see him in any role other than as a late inning lefty PH. The man is clearly just completely dead. Not just resting, not pining for the fjords; dead. He is an un-parrot. If he really wants to play for a World Series team, he should start by taking himself out of the lineup. Larry’s train wreck posts way back when were obviously spot-on — this is rapidly turning into Erstad-esque debacle.

Not a big point, but was anyone else kind of amazed to see Boone Logan in this game? Sure, the game was sorta out of hand (6 runs and it seemed like more), but good God, the man has sucked as hard as it is possible to suck at every level since freakin’ May, and basically laid down on the job in Yankee Stadium last week. I honestly thought we had seen the last of him in a Sox uniform.

And I’ve said it many times tonight, but I’ll say it again anyway: Javy Vazquez is an annoying, annoying man. 6 straight balls to lead off the 2nd in the biggest game of the year after your team takes the lead on the road? Nice work. No. Seriously. Nice work.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 24, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At this point

he should be a pinch hitter in an extra inning game when Thome has been taken out for a pinch runner. That’s his only value.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 24, 2008 12:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Top 10 current uses for Ken Griffey, Jr.:

10. Pinch hitter in extra inning game when Thome has been taken out for a pinch runner
9. Emergency 7th catcher
8. Emergency team bus driver
7. Designated high-giver/fist-puncher/forearm-basher
6. Foil/straight-man for witty mid-inning repartee between Harold, Herm and Oney
5. Masturbatory device for Hawk and DJ
4. Ballast for team blimp/hot air balloon/see-saw
3. Kindling
2. Bait
1. Shiny new toy for KW

It’s certainly hard to dislike the guy, but this is not the time or place for the gold watch treatment.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 24, 2008 12:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

No. 5

‘Stretch, get on back there’

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 24, 2008 12:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

question re: #7.

when you say designated high-giver, are you suggesting that he deal drugs to his teammates? or that he be somehow ingested by his teammates in such a way that they get a euphoric feeling?

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 1:00 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

#7 (addition)

ear-grabber

(as in, when BA is actually playing (if that ever happens) and gets an actual timely hit, and actually contributes positively to the team, Griffey can grab his big ol’ ears and shake his head in congratulation…like that one time)

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 9:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

gold watch treatment?

Maybe we should hide him up someone’s asshole for a couple years….

“I wore this uncomfortable hunk of HOFer up my ass….”

And yes – kindling – excellent.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 9:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a reason...

that Hobby is 12 – 15 this season and 127 – 128 in his career. Wins and losses are normally the worst way to judge a pitcher but Vazquez is just a loser, especially when it comes to big games. No one with his supposed ace-quality stuff should be 127 – 128 in his career.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 12:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And how fitting is it...

that Vazquez had his best season in a long while last year when the Sox were far out of contention?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 12:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but he was great with Montreal in the late 90's and early 00's, when they were ...

Oh. Right.

I do not buy the “he’s just a loser” argument. I do not buy the “weak psyche” argument. But it doesn’t matter, because at the end of the day you and I come to the same place (gulp).

The fact is that the guy is consistently inconsistent and maddeningly unreliable, particularly against good teams. If we make the playoffs, he’s gotta be the number 4 (and if Contreras were healthy, Javy would be in the bullpen).

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 24, 2008 1:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I buy the "he's a punk" argument

See below.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 1:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's just a punk

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 1:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eloquent, yet understated.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 1:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's just one of those guys you know will never pull it together

and live up to his potential.

All the talent in the world and for whatever reason, when things really matter, in the “big games”, can’t play up to that talent level.

He is what he is.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 1:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think hawk made a pretty poignant comment when he talked about javy's pitch selection issues.

he seems to lack a killer instinct in that regard. he has several good pitches, but there is simply no need to show every batter every one of them, especially in the same at-bat. they can’t hit the fastball? why give them anything else? always try to keep something in reserve. he hangs way too many pitches, too, but i think that ties into pitch selection. it’s difficult to throw several different pitches well and in good locations in an at-bat. by that i mean it’s tough to have a good feel for several different pitches in an outing, let alone constantly interchanging between all of them.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 2:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in defense of javy

it was a horseshit idea to send him out there against the yankees twice in yankee stadium. short rest, against a team that hits pretty well, that just saw him a few days before is a recipe for disaster.

And now they might use him on short rest again on saturday, putting him at 4 games in 12 days.

Its hard for any pitcher to look good in that situation.

’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk

by e-gus on Sep 24, 2008 8:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cowley is on this mission to single out the scared players

honestly, who could he mean? It’s no one on the infield. Certainly Thome’s career numbers in the dome don’t seem to indicate he’s shaking in his booties. Dye’s played on the biggest stage. The only people who stand out are Javy and Boone. Is Boone’s mental capacity really going to determine if the Sox win or not. I mean, come on.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 24, 2008 12:40 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pierzynski opened the story up...

I would like to know why Buehrle was talking about needing a 2.5 game lead before they get to Minnesota and talking about how they suck at the Metrodome. Gotta love that defeatist attitude by your top players.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 12:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Buehrle wasn't the only player to mention the team's weak psyche...

Cabrera and Pierzynski did as well.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 12:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe instead of a new hitting coach

they should have a team therapist. Do these guys really have that short of memories? They won a huge series here in ‘05 and really the last time anything catastrophic to their playoff chances happened was in ’03. And there are exactly two people left from that team on this one. I mean, do you think Swisher and Wise are waxing poetically about that series? There’s no reason for anyone’s psyche to be affected by the dome. The only people who have negative memories with it are the fans and the media.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 24, 2008 12:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoops

meant ‘that long of memories?’

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 24, 2008 12:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The mind is a strange thing, men.

We must begin by asking it "What is losing?

Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as polio.

Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as syphilis.

Losing is a disease…
…as contagious as bubonic plague…
… attacking one…
… but infecting all.

But curable.

Now, I want you to imagine … you are on a ship at sea…on a vast sea…gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.
Gently rocking.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 24, 2008 1:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

4:30 PM., this afternoon.

HERE.

EVERYONE.

You’re the leader, TAEG.

If we all do it together, ………

It’s not going to hurt.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 24, 2008 7:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

should i get my black nikes on?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whatever it takes.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 24, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh el guapos sir

i think my ship is on fire.

’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk

by e-gus on Sep 24, 2008 8:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AJ has no room to talk unless he is beating up on himself. That much is true.

He has blown. At bat, on the bases, and behind the plate, through and through.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think this automatically implies a "defeatist attitude." It can't just mean he would prefer a cushion heading into the series in a place notorious for shutting us down?

I don’t think I saw the original article, so maybe I’m missing context. But I don’t consider him wanting a bigger division lead, a “defeatist attitude.”

I don’t see what the big fucking deal is with players (ones who are actually showing up and performing for the fucking games ie; OC and MB) making very true statements about the team and the season.

It’s no secret that we have suffered since the loss of Q, whether that is the direct reason is irrelevant….
We are struggling. That’s not defeatist, that is the truth. And I certainly have no problem with the best players on the team acknowledging that.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 9:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if sox make it to playoffs

it will be more dome time in tampa bay

by The Scoper on Sep 24, 2008 12:49 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vazquez is a punk

Vazquez is a punk like Benson was a punk for the Bears.

Worse even because Vazquez is immensely talented but lacks the discipline to actually do anything with that talent when it matters. Ear infection. Please. How ridiculous is that shit – Q fucking broke his arm and the only thing keeping him off the field is Herm saying no.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 1:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"discipline"

couldn’t it…ah, fuck. why bother? people have taken the “javy has great stuff ergo it must be a mental issue” hawkism hook, line, sinker.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 8:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You have an alternative explanation?

Then be out with it.

Also not everything Hawk says is false – and to say there is not a mental aspect to the game of baseball would be a pretty ridiculous statement!

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i've written enough about javy in the past. people can believe whatever garbage they want.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, not particularly.

apparently i lack the discipline.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Certainly not lacking the holier-than-thou, know-it-all attitude

So if you’re not going to posit an alternative explanation, why not just sit this one out champ?

Thanks.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 9:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, well I'm a little sick and tired of you

coming into a thread, criticizing some statement (without backing it up) and without positing your ideas either.

It’s your version of shitting on a thread.

If you got something to say about my ideas, back it up. Otherwise STFU.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 9:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry. i lack the discipline.

i don’t need to back up my criticism when someone posts something so patently meaningless. i’ll exercise my prerogative and simply ridicule it instead of stooping to such a level as to actually discuss it.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 9:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And by doing so you weaken your own argument

Which since you won’t spell it out, I’ll just put words into your mouth.

Larry posits that there is no mental aspect to baseball, which is patently ridiculous.

Sabermetrics mostly just explains the what about the player – saying a pitcher has a high GB/FB ratio does not explain why he does. I don’t think you’d find anyone at BP making claims that mechanics or the mental game don’t affect a player’s performance – yet you seem to be. That is a statement that is going out on a huge limb.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 9:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in the time you took to put words in my mouth

you could have just looked up my words. but that would require something, wouldn’t it.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I tried a search.

I came up with a something you quoted comparing Vazquez’s FIP to his ERA (you posted that without comment), and some snarky comments ridiculing people’s questioning Vazquez’s mental toughness. I find no alternative explanation.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 24, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

your searching sucks.

perhaps try other words, hmm.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've tried many different search terms.

Nobody knows what the hell you’re talking about but you, larry.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 24, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then "why bother?"

i’m not interested in discussing again and said so from the start.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then just let it go.

If you’re not interested in discussing it, just shut the hell up. Ridiculing other posters doesn’t do anything.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 24, 2008 10:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

provides me amusement.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bully for you.

I suppose many people find trolling to be an endless source of amusement.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 24, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as near as i can tell from reading this site, they do.

but, remember, someone has to feed the trolls by responding, don’t they?

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True.

I try to ignore crap like this most of the time, but like you, I don’t always have the discipline.

I read stuff that I don’t agree with all the time. Sometimes I feel like refuting it, sometimes I just ignore it and let it go. I don’t try and belittle people because they have a different opinion than I do, without bothering to try and further the discussion.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 24, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yours is the better policy.

i think everyone knows you’re more adult than i am. i’m an asshole and don’t hide it.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta admire the honesty.

Props. Like Eddie Vrdolyak, “I don’t stab people in the back, I stab them in the front”. I prefer seeing it coming.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"It's a racial thing. Don't kid yourself.... We're fighting to keep the city the way it is."

probably my favorite quote from fast eddie…i know what you mean, i like to know where people stand instead of pussyfootin’

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 24, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Memorable stuff from the Washington-Epton race

I was covering an Epton rally on the SW side and Bernie showed up to chants of ‘Go get’em Jew Boy!"

by RoyEgan on Sep 24, 2008 12:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love my city.

“I don’t mean nothin’ by it.”

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 12:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, it would require you not being too lazy

to defend your own arguments.

The emperor has no clothes.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's true. but why debate with people like you when i can have fun in other ways?

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i don't see why you can't pretend this community

offers you something other than a few mental playthings to bat around, tabby.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 11:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i do pretend sometimes.

other times i give up and bat them around. as i recall, on this very topic i pretended with you.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 11:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Larry, I got you something!!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fuckin heartwarming

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 11:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as flies to wanton boys are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that about sums it up.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shakespeare rulz

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 5:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Larry's from the

“Psyche is of little or no import in an athlete’s performance” camp.

Impact of a divorce – forget it.

Pressure on the 1st, 2nd …….18th tee when Joe Badootz paired w/ Tiger Woods in a major – doesn’t exist.

Jenks vs. Linebrink or Dotel – interchangeable.

on and on.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 24, 2008 10:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no. i'm not.

i’m from the “when there’s another pretty obvious reason, i’m far less inclined to resort to amorphous reasons” camp.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Larry is just getting nervous...

He made numerous posts ripping on anyone who thought that the Sox could blow their division lead to the Twins. He also made a few posts describing how it was near impossible to happen. Meanwhile, Larry forgot how pathetic the Sox are down the stretch and specifically at the Twinkiedome.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another great post from monsignor.

“relating” two points that have nothing to do with one another.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I noticed you stopped ripping anyone...

who thinks that the Sox may blow the division after last night’s game.

Where are all the posts now talking about how it is a near impossibility and that some people are being ridiculously stupid?

Oops.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i stopped?

like, you mean i haven’t posted repeatedly in the last 12 hours about something i’ve already mentioned a few times before on this site? gosh, why would i do something like that. people might get the impression that my position has changed! i know, i should repeat the same thing over and over on every single thread so i’m absolutely positive that everyone knows my position! great idea! i can’t see why anyone might find something like that, i don’t know, annoyingly ssh2005ish.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So it wasn't annoying and okay for you...

to post it numerous times before last night’s game?

I smell bullshit and back-tracking at the same time.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 11:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beautiful.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 11:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did i really post it that much?

if so, all the more reason for me to not continue to post it then, eh?

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, we agree there

I’m sure there are players that perform more poorly than others in pressure situations. But skill and physical ability I think are much more responsible for results than “psyche”.

In particular, I think ascribing a “fragile team psyche” to a group of people is silly.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 24, 2008 11:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

99% of the time I'D agree.

Not in this case. I’ve seen this for 7-8 years now. There are phenomenons like this….often people like to dramatize and jump to these mystical conclusions…..this isn’t one of those times.

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, the Sox have some sort of pussy mental block at the Twinkiedome.

I almost feel like not watching the next two games and just check the box scores on Thursday night.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 11:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think he could make a lot of money in this way.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok everybody, pass the hat

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Sep 24, 2008 1:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not JUST at the Metrodome.

It’s a Twins phenomenon that has gone on in meaningful games played antwhere…..and anyone who doesn’t acknowledge it being a real psychogical phenomenon is just not being very open-minded. This goes back 7 or 8 years. It’s real. It has real energy. And I am not into dramatization.

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

was that sweep at the cell meaningless, too?

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 11:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Certainly not.

But that was what, May? Early June. Completely different atmosphere, lar, and you know it. You understand my point.

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 11:50 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You mean one in which they

Have recently played like crap? And now everything will be okay for a magnificent run?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh, i understand your point.

i’m just questioning the viability of it. like i said, i don’t know the answer or not. but there seems to be plenty of contravening evidence, too.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So the criteria for this "phenomenon" are:

1. Games between the Sox and MN in the last 8 years
2. Late in the year (8/1 and after?)
3. In which both teams are still in contention.

So, 2007, 2005, 2004 (Sox 2nd but well back by the time the 2 teams played), 2002 (same as 2004) and 2001 are all out.

So, basically, it’s 2003, 2006 and this year.

In ’03, the Sox and Twins split a 4 game series at the Cell 9/8-9/11 and the Twins swept 3 games in the Dome 9/16-9/18. The Sox were .5 behind coming in and left 3.5 back. Certainly a bad series.

In ’06, they played 2 series meeting the criteria, and the Twins won 2 out of 3 in both. Note, however, that both teams trailed the Tigers going into both those series, and the Sox were only a whopping .5 games back of the Twins in the wild card (eventually “won” by the Tigers) after the later of the 2 series.

That’s pretty much it.

Sorry, I don’t buy this one bit. This year’s version of the Sox doesn’t play well in MIN, granted. Isn’t it more likely, however, that it’s because (1) they don’t play well on the road generally, and (2) the dome uniquely highlights their weakensses (OF defense/speed) and diminishes their strenghts (power), than some defect in character which somehow only shows up in one place against one team?

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 24, 2008 12:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would you please stick to recaps and philosophy

and stop drawing conclusions? You are out of your comfort zone, sir. (If, in fact, you are a sir.)

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 12:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1 and 6 at the Twinkiedome...

That is much worse than their road record.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 12:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and another kitten dies.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 12:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

white sox players molest children.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shit, cowley beat me to it?

i guess that’s why i’m not in the newspaper business.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and they're pederasts.

fucking 8 year-olds dude.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 1:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am not saying the Sox

are chokers, in the general sense. What I’m saying that there is something happening between the Sox and Twins way beyond the numbers, and the Twins are benefitting from the currentpsychological underpinnings, and basically have for several years now. In some way, I guess I am saying the Sox are chokers……in meaningful games vs. the Twins where it would appear they have at least equal talent. You can be as analytical and likely find facts that you could contend refute my claim of said phenomenon….but I could likely come up with other facts supportive of my stance. Separate yourself from that just for a second….do you really think there is nothing to what i say?

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry if I seemed assholic, it was certainly not my intent.

At the end of the day, neither you nor I nor anyone else on the site (except Kenwo, of coruse) knows why the Sox haven’t played well in the dome this year. I certainly find it tempting to agree with you that there is some subsurface “thing” going on there — that the Sox go in with a defeatist, losing attitude and that plays itself out. It is a tempting thought because it implies that there can and should be some Rocky-like moment where they overcome their fears, and just get their act together and start winning through sheer determination and force of will.

What I always come back to, though, is that these guys are professionals. They have been through unbelievable amounts of pressure their whole lives to get to this point — the very pinnacle of their profession. It seems odd to me that, despite being able to handle all that pressure for all that time and overcoming all of the odds that had to be overcome to get to this point, they suddenly crumble when faced with … what? A hostile crowd? An aggressive team? Don’t they face those things all the time? And is their record against the Twins really that uniquely bad, considering (again) that the park really does not favor their style of play?

Again, I don’t know for sure. Maybe they are playing scared. But, when given the choice, I tend to favor the explanation that seems more tangible/rational. Doesn’t mean I’m right.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 24, 2008 4:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just want to be sure I understand this argument

so the Sox — collectively, despite the fact that many on this particular ballclub have been here, at most, two seasons — have a mental block that won’t allow them to beat the Twins? Does this apply to the World Series team? Or are they mentally strong enough to go 11-1 in the post-season, win 99 regular season games, but — again — not strong enough to win with a roof over their heads?

It can’t just be that the Sox have been playing like crap lately (specifically the offense, who limped through the last two games of the KC series)? It can’t just be that Vazquez has, outside of last year, been this consistent all along?

by CWSKeith on Sep 24, 2008 12:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*inconsistent*, rather

and fuck for italicizing that whole first paragraph.

by CWSKeith on Sep 24, 2008 12:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the dome record overall...

And the Twinkiedome records speak volumes.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 12:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, i think you meant consistent.

javy’s results are that of a #3 starter, most especially over the last five seasons. all this talk about ace this and great stuff that and look at those fucking sweet peripherals is bullshit. he’s 32. he’s pitched well over 2000 innings.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 2:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

I’ve lived it since 2002 or so, maybe 2003. It is a truly unique phenomenon between the Sox and Twins, and remains despite the obviously great number of personnel changes on both sides.

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 1:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn't it 3 days of rest?

Either way, not on the regular rotation…

by hitlesswonder on Sep 24, 2008 1:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is sickening.

That is, the Javy has such great stuff thing. although, I also believe he could be mentally tougher. It wouldn’t hurt. But, basically I agree with you. The phenomena we AGAIN see before us, though….IS MAINLY a psychological thing…..that is….the Sox psychological impotence in meaningful games with the Twins…..NO MATTER WHERE THE GAMES ARE PLAYED. iT IS 7-8 YEARS OLD. They simply don’t handle the phenomena correctly….long story short…..they need to fess up, admit their powerlessness (ie. being psyched out)…..and go from there. Sounds corny, hah?

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone of stature....

Guillen or Konerko would be great…better Konerko…..should say this to Cowley…..“We are inexplicably totally psyched out by this Twins team…ballpark….organization…..we have to face it….they have it all over us….let’s just admit it. We all have seen it….felt it…lived it. It is what it is. And you can print that.”

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

setting aside whether your hypothesis is true or not

we all know they couldn’t do that (at least at this point in the season and not publicly). they’d get killed for it. but realizing ones shortcomings and actually considering and attacking the problem is always a good idea.

at any rate, even if the twinks have something over many of the sox, i think they don’t have it over MB. the sox just need one. for those who love looking at matchups, this is the most likely one.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I see the risk, yes.

But nothing else works. I believe it would significantly reduce the tension, even at this time.

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 10:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

winning tends to reduce tension, as well.

it’s not like the sox are the only ones who don’t find much success in the metrodome. i realize most people’s reference point is one team’s performance there but take a look at some other teams’ performance in the dome. not exactly stellar, either. at any rate, who knows. about as good a theory as any.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm sorry late to the party

Dante you do realize of the three games, last night was the one “less likely” for the Sox to win right?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 24, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I don't see that at all.

I see insignificance insofar as any one of these games being more predictable than another. I couldn’t disagree more with your premise that last night’s game was more ‘WINNABLE’ than the other two.

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 11:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I did.

I thought victory was more likely either tonight or tomorrow. If they are all toss ups, then you should feel comfortable one will go their way.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My point is the Sox could throw the Lord Jesus Christ

and I don’t think it would matter. They’re not dealing as a unit with what ails. I know this sounds “out there,” but I calls ’em as I sees ’em.

by dantesox on Sep 24, 2008 11:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lmao

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 24, 2008 12:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Helluva palm ball.

Great control. Really manages the game well. Good under pressure. Good stamina.

He’d be a good #2 pitcher – not a great heater, not the “Ace”. But I’d take Him.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 12:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

i heard he rose from the dead on one day's rest.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

that's almost back to back complete game territory

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Rec'd. ThoughI thought it was Shawn Green.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Youkilis is Greek.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's a member of the tribe

the whole “greek god of walks” thing was just in moneyball. the man is jewish

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 24, 2008 4:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are a goofball.

Wiki it. Tribesman. TSK is an effin’ genius. Rec the GD post.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 4:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thankee

and for your enjoyment, denis leary on youkilis and the tribe/mel gibson during a NESN broadcast.

warning: your sides, they may split.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Sep 24, 2008 4:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, Lenny Clarke is funner than Leary.

Do you watch them on “Rescue Me”? Excellent stuff.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 6:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope. just dug on the linked video

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Sep 24, 2008 7:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

his standup is pretty good, too. leary can be funny, but you gotta be in the right mood, otherwise he's just overbearing.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 11:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's fucking outstanding

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 5:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here are the 4 moments that i felt defined this loss.

1. sox get thome and pk on 1st and 3rd, respectively, with no outs and junior immediately hits into a dp.
this was a golden opportunity for the sox, yet it almost felt as if they hadn’t even gained the momentum upon scoring.

2. after the sox “stake” javy to a 1 run lead, he immediately walks the leadoff hitter on 4 pitches.
if there is anything to this momentum stuff, then it’s hard to kill it more quickly than javy did with the leadoff walk.

3. with runners on 1st and 3rd and 1 out for the twins, the sox field an easy ground ball to 3rd and use their infamous rundown skills to manage an out yet put runners on 2nd and 3rd.
although the sox managed to pitch out of the inning without further damage, this has just been symptomatic of a team that rarely does anything to help itself out defensively. they execute the rundown like a little league team.

4. after getting runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out, the sox didn’t manage to move those runners until a 2 out single from OC, which didn’t even manage to “plate” a runner.
3rd base is the only place that we can accurately call scoring position for these sox. 2nd base is barely better than 1st or being at the plate. thank god for the homeruns, because it would take 4 singles in an inning to do any scoring.

i know i reiterated cheat on some stuff here, but i think this game is a perfect example of how the sox lose games.

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 1:28 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

1
2
3

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 24, 2008 7:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also - I don't know the exact amount of times that the Twins had the lead-off man on base....

BUT HOLY SHIT, IT SEEMED LIKE EVERY TIME THEY BATTED, THE LEAD-OFF GUY WAS ON BASE!!!!!!

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 10:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, there's a special Metrodome-only rule that MLB instituted.

At the end of each inning on defense, the Twins are allowed to choose any one fielder and immediately place him on first base while the rest of the team heads to the dugout.

by ReservoirDog on Sep 24, 2008 11:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Q still on the mend

But will it matter?

A heavy workload Tuesday produced the most encouraging results of Carlos Quentin’s rehabilitation from a right wrist fracture.

Although being activated for the first round of the playoffs remains a long shot, Quentin said he will have his wrist examined Friday in Chicago.

“Once it’s looked at, we’ll re-evaluate where I’m at and talk about swinging a bat and exactly what’s the best way of going about it as far as getting back in the swing,” an upbeat Quentin said.

Quentin declined to predict, however, if he could return next week.

“I’d like to throw out a percentage,” he said. "Every day I feel more optimistic about the healing process.

“If you asked me three days ago how I felt about it, I wouldn’t feel as positive. But I feel right now with what I’ve seen over the past couple of days that things are well.”

Quentin, who leads the Sox with 36 homers and 100 RBIs despite fracturing his wrist Sept. 1, said he has noticed the most improvement in his range of motion.

“There’s some pain involved, but with this type of situation, there’s going to be some,” Quentin said. "But afterward, it has bounced back well.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 24, 2008 1:49 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's more machine than man now, twisted and evil

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 24, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

brilliant

Q as Darth Vader is pretty amazing.

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 11:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The best thing about last night's game

was the new episode of the Shield. The Sox could use a pep talk from Vic Mackey.

"Hell of a situation we got here. Two on, two out, your team down a run and you've got the chance to be the hero on national television... if you don't blow it. Saw your wife last night. Great little dancer. That guy she was with? I'm sure he's a close personal friend, but tell me, what was he doing with her panties on his head?"

by thekever on Sep 24, 2008 7:46 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think thats the best show on television

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 24, 2008 8:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too bad its almost o-vah

"Hell of a situation we got here. Two on, two out, your team down a run and you've got the chance to be the hero on national television... if you don't blow it. Saw your wife last night. Great little dancer. That guy she was with? I'm sure he's a close personal friend, but tell me, what was he doing with her panties on his head?"

by thekever on Sep 24, 2008 9:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Wire

was the best show on TV until it finished up. The Shield is great, but I think it got way too into plot twists as opposed to issues over the past couple of seasons. I also really like Brotherhood on Showtime, which is kind of like The Wire but with Providence, RI and the Irish mob.

www.stallingtheman.blogspot.com

by Raf on Sep 24, 2008 10:11 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Wire

IMHO is the best written show ever. And this is from someone who has been in the trenches for 20-plus years. The Brotherhood or the Shield can’t hold a candle. What comes close? The BBC series MI-5.

by RoyEgan on Sep 24, 2008 11:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in the trenches?

nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team

by colintj on Sep 24, 2008 11:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

writing for TV

name your fav. dramas of the last two decades. i’ve written/produced half of them, I bet.

by RoyEgan on Sep 24, 2008 11:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am currently writing a tv script, and I think it is pure brilliance. Been brewing the idea for about 5 years, and putting it on the page now.

My (educational) roots are in tv/film writing above non-fiction, which is what I’ve been doing for the past few years.

Will be aiming for HBO or Showtime.
Absolutely destined to succeed, this show….no joke at all.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it about a ragtag bunch of posters on a local sports team's unofficial message board?

Larry should be played by Russell Crow and SSH by Corky from ‘Life Goes On’.

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 24, 2008 12:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Russell the grandson of Jim?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahahahaaha!

other suggestions:

Larry = Steve Buscemi

SSH = Eric Stoltz, in Mask

MM = that guy who plays Van Wilder

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 1:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep, when she's skinny and hot.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 1:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Proof? Pics, plz.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 1:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You wish.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't find pics of a fellow poster?

you’re slipping, dude

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Sep 24, 2008 1:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you are one creepy dude

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 24, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I originally thought SSH should be stoltz from mask.

ha

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 24, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excellent.

We should probably start calling him Rocky immediately.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 1:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

off-topic

why the fuck did the bears release mark bradley? I know he was oft. injured but at least when healthy he was the 2nd best receiver on the team behind lloyd! Sheid is a bum who drops too many passes, and besides Sheid who else do we have? Can I see Earl Bennett stretch a field?

"term: pussy, user: larry, count: 11

term: pussy, user: all, count: 83" - wiz

by Where Triples Go to Die on Sep 24, 2008 8:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bennett can return kicks, so Vasher can stick to playing corner? Just an idea, no clue if that had anything to do with it. Might have nothing to do with Bradley, and something to do with the nickelback situation or Vasher returning punts.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 24, 2008 8:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bradley was a bust

Either the Bears did not know how to use him, or he did not make the best of the chances he was given. Either way, his Bear career added up to bubkus (not Butkus). I really got a good chuckle out of him in the off season when he said he was the #1 receiver.

"Hell of a situation we got here. Two on, two out, your team down a run and you've got the chance to be the hero on national television... if you don't blow it. Saw your wife last night. Great little dancer. That guy she was with? I'm sure he's a close personal friend, but tell me, what was he doing with her panties on his head?"

by thekever on Sep 24, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice headline

whats the Twins magic number?
7 or 8?

also, has anyone seen Jermaine Dye?
I havent seen him in a while.

’’We have the horses. Everyone has to stay positive and keep grinding." -Kenny
"Its almost gotten to be obscene that we cant get a man in from third base." -Hawk

by e-gus on Sep 24, 2008 8:25 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

get Griffey out of this line up

and tell him to take his fat fucking arse with him

....fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts

by hoodlight on Sep 24, 2008 8:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the fear was all over Javy's face

all i could think of -an apples and orange comparison - was Jordan in big games with that ‘just gimmee the ball’ look in the 4th quarter. the hunger, the desire and confidence…

by RoyEgan on Sep 24, 2008 8:35 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you out pony-shopping today?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 8:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my 10-year old has been lobbying for some time

she rides, of course, gets all A’s and is the apple of my eye. there’s a sweet little pinto at the stable and it would be my pleasure. still, giffey’s useless.

by RoyEgan on Sep 24, 2008 8:41 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Squak and BJ

I know this is a broken freaking record, but does ANY team of announcers ladle on the bullshit like these two when talking about the Twins? These two Twinkie lovers forced me to put the game on mute.

"Hell of a situation we got here. Two on, two out, your team down a run and you've got the chance to be the hero on national television... if you don't blow it. Saw your wife last night. Great little dancer. That guy she was with? I'm sure he's a close personal friend, but tell me, what was he doing with her panties on his head?"

by thekever on Sep 24, 2008 9:05 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hadn't noticed

"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."

by U-God on Sep 24, 2008 12:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you feel better now that you have company, OPOS?

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The best part of the video is how Brett spends three minutes telling his pant-shitting stories...

And then in the last three seconds, he asks, “who’s the pitchers in this game?”

No wonder the Royals suck so bad.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mark will pleasure us fans like he pleasures his wife

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 24, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably kissing his pregnant wife's belly, you perv.

Innocent moment defiled. Thanks.

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Removing her navel lint perhaps?

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 24, 2008 10:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could not watch the whole thing last night.

Didn’t matter. We have known for a long time that this would pretty much come down to us v. Minny. And I don’t believe when we were discussing the “stopper” person who you want out there in a “must” game anyone picked Javy, for whatever reason. Mine was MB, and he’ll either man up tonight or not. But I’ve got my guy against someone who’s been on fumes lately, and I’m OK with that.

Let’s take it one at a time. We’re still up 1.5 games. We’re not the Rays this year (up 3, playing well down the stretch against good opponents, spanking bad ones) but we’re GD in first. So strap it on for tonight – I have no girls gymnastics practice to detract from the event at hand this evening.

SO GET JACKED UP! QUIT SNIPING! FORM TESTUDO! NO ONE GETS OUT ALIVE!

"I suck... the Sox don’t." reply actions 25 recs
by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 24, 2008 9:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you.

I was as excited about the game yesterday as anyone here.
And I was equally disappointed at the series of disasters that occurred throughout the game.
I tried to watch the whole thing, but passed out in the 8th, due to all the damn wine the Sox made me drink. I am sober now – and still not entirely emotionally distraught….

Last night was the game to lose, if any. Sure, it would be nice to take the first game and ride on a little stoke/momentum into the rest of the series.
But it didn’t happen that way because, by some unforeseen miracle, Javy, our defense, and our offense SUCKED!

bally made a good point last night – tonight’s game means a great deal for both teams’ spirits and mentality – more than any other.

MB is the guy who needs to step up. I trust him, regardless of what his history against the Twins shows. I always put faith in MB.

It’s our offense who I have little faith in…..and I can’t shake my utter and complete disagreement of benching BA to start Griffey. Absolute horseshit.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"I can’t shake my utter and complete disagreement of benching BA to start Griffey. Absolute horseshit."

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

this isn't hard. you live in a port city. and you're a slut. do the math. -larry

by rhythm on Sep 24, 2008 1:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

addressing a somewhat peripheral point to the overall one.

but it’s rather hard at this point to bench the one guy who actually has been hitting recently.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 1:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha Ha Ha.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 24, 2008 1:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you speaking of BA?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

either is fair.

though one has always been on the bench and the other has always not. magic dewayne rather screws things up.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blackburn's last two starts...

0-2, 5.1 innings, 15 hits, 12 earned runs. Let’s hope he keeps this crap up…

"Hell of a situation we got here. Two on, two out, your team down a run and you've got the chance to be the hero on national television... if you don't blow it. Saw your wife last night. Great little dancer. That guy she was with? I'm sure he's a close personal friend, but tell me, what was he doing with her panties on his head?"

by thekever on Sep 24, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If there ever was

a situation / arena where a team assists the healing of another team, almost “Lazarus like,” it seems like the Sox / Twins in he RollerDome.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 24, 2008 11:08 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You might want to look at Mark's career record vs the Twins

As well as his recent performance.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 24, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dat's what i'm sayin'

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 11:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was wondering why everyone was excited about Buehrle starting tonight, lol...

I remember him giving up two two-run bombs in the same inning the last time he pitched in the Twinkiedome. The Twins own his shit.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least this season.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 11:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BECAUSE SOME OF US DON'T RELY ON ONE OR TWO CRAPPY OUTINGS AMONG MANY GREAT ONES, WHEN FORMING OUR OPINIONS ON A GUY.

BUERHLE HAS BEEN OWNING EVERYONE HE’S RECENTLY FACED.

He may suck it up tonight just as well – WE’LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

BUT WHY MUST WE WILL IT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE HE HAD A BAD OUTING EARLIER IN THE SEASON?

geezus, you suck.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's either the Twinkiedome effect or the dome effect in general this season...

This team has choked in domes this season and they have a pathetic mental stigma against the Twins at the Twinkiedome.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 24, 2008 11:32 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing to do with a mental stigma

The fact is, three teams who play in domes also happen to be great at home, and happen to be three of the top teams in the league.

That we have the slowest outfield in the league has something to do with it too.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 24, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correction:

That we field the slowest outfield in the league……..

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 24, 2008 12:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the upside, I may get to see the clincher game on Saturday in person!

After the Kubel dinger, I mostly channel surfed, settling on “The Office” and “Family Guy” reruns on TBS.

When I did switch back to the game, for some reason, I kept hearing circus music in my head.

The Sox, especially Javy, looked like they didn’t want to even be in the stadium. What a suckfest (not the good kind).

"There will be surgery. It will heal. It will heal fast."- Carlos Quentin on NBC 5 News Chicago (9/5/08)

by tailgater on Sep 24, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Twins play the Royals for the final series, right?

What are the chances that the Royals, who have nothing to lose, and a grudge against the Sox, just sorta play like shit for the series?

Since we are such a thorn in the collective side of the Royals, it seems like that would be the one way they could harm us without actually playing us (in which we tend to harm them more anyway).

Just speculating….if this Dome series doesn’t yield a Sox win, this weekend is going to be huge for both teams, obviously.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*just sorta play like shit

= more than the average Royals shit-playing, maybe with some deliberate shit, since nobody would really notice.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah.

Professional athletes don’t do stuff like that.

Particularly teams like the Royals, who are going to field a bunch of young guys who have something to prove.

If the Royals get beat, it’ll be because they’re not a very good team, not because they’re not trying.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 24, 2008 10:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, i don't think they'll play like shit deliberately. but you can sandbag it some. look at the mariners for an example.

but it’s a function of who they’re trotting out there. the royals will still be sending their top players out (including pitchers) and it’s not like those guys will want to suck. i wouldn’t want to face meche and greinke in important games at anytime.

the difference between a twins homer and a communist is that the communist knows what he's doing.

by larry on Sep 24, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

troof.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 24,