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White Sox Dome Woes Explained

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Situation AVG OBP SLG
Scoring Position .182 .246 .311
2 out, RISP .091 .166 .164

With yet another loss in the rollerdome, the Sox fell to 4-15 this season on the carpet. The reason is surprisingly uncomplicated.

The Sox are a woeful 24-for-132 with men in scoring position in domes this season, and a comically bad 5-for-55 with 2 outs/RISP. Even worse, the Sox last two 2 out/RISP hits, the Sox only hits with RISP this series, have failed to plate a runner.

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if you think this seems bad...

consider the fact that you and everyone you’ve ever known and loved will die.

go sox!

You're on thin fucking ice my pedigree chums, and I shall be under it when it breaks. Now, fuck off.

by MarketMaker on Sep 24, 2008 10:54 PM CDT   0 recs

It's the air conditioning, I tellz ya.

Climate control can be quite distracting.

by The Actual El Guapo on Sep 24, 2008 10:58 PM CDT   0 recs

That's crazy...

Lamentably this will fuel the “fragile Sox team of choke artists” theory. The season has come down to MN being more “clutch” than the Sox which is really annoying. Argh.

For the record, I don’t think they are fragile. I think they are a below average hitting team (in terms of average and OBP), and that the “unclutchness” is an artifact of that plus mostly just bad luck. Anything can happen in 200 ABs.

For right now, any lineup with Uribe, Wise, and the ghost of Jermaine Dye is not one primed for a huge offensive outburst. I can’t believe Swisher has been so bad so long that he’s benched in favor of Dewayne Wise. I wouldn’t have done that, but it’s an understandable move.

Anyway, Buehrle pitched his guts out tonight — I was impressed.

 

by hitlesswonder on Sep 25, 2008 12:02 AM CDT   0 recs

Damn right he did

He had nothing but a fastball for the first several innings — no command of the changeup, no command of the curveball. Three runs should’ve been been…

that brings us to the offense. Of all the games in this streak of bad, this has to rank right up there as the worst. Blackburn had nothing tonight, not a damned thing. He was pitching over the heart of the plate, hanging that fucking slider, (seemingly) falling behind in the count, and yet… two runs over five. God damn. I’ve tried to stick with my expectations, and it’s still possible to win tomorrow and put the Twins in a helluva predicament for this weekend, but it was tough to not get caught up in the moment tonight.

The helpless feeling of being a sports fan sure does suck, ehh?

As for tomorrow… the General certainly can’t (and shouldn’t) sit, but I think it’s time to get Swisher back in there. I’d put him in for Konerko, who isn’t looking good at the plate. That or get Dye out of the lineup.

Go get ’em, Gavin, you big ballsy motherfucker.

by CWSKeith on Sep 25, 2008 12:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Couldn't have said that any better

And also thanks to Buehrle, no longer do we have to call them piranhas, we can now kindly refer to them as the shitheads

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 25, 2008 12:25 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We'll see. Does Ozzie have the cojones

to sit Dye or Konerko in the biggest single non post season game the franchise has had in 20, 30, 50 years.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 6:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Or, should he?

Yeah, SSH2005, you are a sorry loser.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 9:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Twins announcers said one accurate thing last night....

Dye is scary right now (and not just the way we Sox fans perceive him as scarily awful).

He MUST come alive soon….he’s like a ticking time bomb at the plate.

I hope he can explode all over the Twinkiedome tonight.

And I am craving some mashed taters too.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 25, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

he has the cojones.

i think your second question is the right one. and i think konerko should sit.

i lack the discipline to want it more.

by larry on Sep 25, 2008 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Slowey's splits are clearcut.

Again:

vs LHB in 301 PA .280 .329 .505 .834

vs RHB in 334 PA . 241 .249 .373 .623

Yeah, SSH2005, you are a sorry loser.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 9:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Suggestion,

let BHB fill out the lineup card.

Yeah, SSH2005, you are a sorry loser.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 9:46 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

3-5

Dye, Thome, Konerko have been bubkus this series. Get off your dead ass and hit the ball hard somewhere!

"Hell of a situation we got here. Two on, two out, your team down a run and you've got the chance to be the hero on national television... if you don't blow it. Saw your wife last night. Great little dancer. That guy she was with? I'm sure he's a close personal friend, but tell me, what was he doing with her panties on his head?"

by thekever on Sep 25, 2008 8:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To try and make everyone feel a little better

Big Hairy Balls is 9-2 following a Sox loss.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 25, 2008 12:09 AM CDT   0 recs

We all know what's going to happen tomorrow...

Slowey is going to pack these sorry bunch of losers’ shit.

Did anyone else notice the camera shot of the entire Sox bench sitting on their asses in the 9th inning with a runner on base? Way to cheer on your team. This whole Twins / Piranha bullshit was perpetuated by Ozzie, Hawk and D.J., and the rest of the organization. The Sox go to the Twinkiedome and expect to lose and therefore they do. These guys are bunch of fucking ball-less losers.

The Sox 3-4-5 in the lineup has gone 3 for 22 these first two games. Players must have to try to suck that bad.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 12:34 AM CDT   0 recs

One reason why people on this site find you annoying of many:
Slowey is going to pack these sorry bunch of losers’ shit.

You are not content to just complain about the bad things the Sox have already done (of which there is plenty to complain about), which is every fan’s right and part of being a fan.

You have to always take it that one step further and complain about things that have not yet come to be. That is where you cross the line into annoying territory, because most fans I know, they cheer their team on, even when it looks grim.

In football terms: It’s every fan’s right to play Monday Morning Quarterback, but your complaining about Sunday’s game on a Saturday.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 25, 2008 12:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what is going on in this series...

The Twins obviously want it more and the Sox are choking like a crack whore trying to make ten bucks.

I expected the offense to score three runs tonight and they couldn’t even manage that. Embarrassing.

Where’s Larry to berate all the nervous Sox fans who expected this? I thought it was next to impossible for the Sox to blow a 2.5 game lead?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 12:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not enough cheering on the bench

therefore twins want to win more than sox, BRILLIANT!!

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 25, 2008 12:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why is it that when a team beats the White Sox it's because THEY WANT IT MORE?

We lost 3-2. If Gomez mistimes his jump there’s a decent chance we at least go to extras. It’s baseball, there’s a shit-ton of variables, almost none of which involve a team tanking intentionally in September.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 25, 2008 12:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Mistimes his jump?

How about scoring more than two runs against the Twins second worst pitcher? A guy who looked like garbage tonight. He was throwing junk up over the plate tonight.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 12:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, mistimes his jump...

I’m sorry you don’t understand anything about baseball. It is not 110% EFFORT GUTS N’ NUTZ.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 25, 2008 12:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

While you are busy wishing that a good defensive outfielder doesn't make a play...

I will wonder why the sorry sack of shit offense couldn’t put up more than two runs in nine innings when they were facing the Twins second worst starter who has been getting hit hard lately. Blackburn was throwing junk over the plate tonight.

I know we are used to the geriatric outfield of Griffey and Dye running in concrete boots but other teams actually have athletic outfielders who can make non-routine plays.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 1:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Must I remind you where this offense ranks in runs scored?

Fuck that sack of shit AJ. He hit a ball in the gap. Pompous asshole.

Just because you repeat it ad nauseam doesn’t make it true.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 25, 2008 1:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"want it more'

Yeah, that’s all it takes. The Sox and the Twins, when healthy, have about the same talent level. The Sox are missing an AL MVP candidate at the same time Dye is slumping, Swisher is slumping, and Uribe has to be on the field. The offense sucks right now. But no matter how much Dewayne Wise wants it, and you can bet he wanted it bad, he couldn’t increase the odds of himself getting a hit against Nathan. The Twins are better than the Sox right now, especially in the dome.

by hitlesswonder on Sep 25, 2008 1:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Uribe has actually been a plus if you ask me.

It is what it is, a slow team on a fast track is going to struggle.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 25, 2008 8:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm...

“Did anyone else notice the camera shot of the entire Sox bench sitting on their asses in the 9th inning with a runner on base? Way to cheer on your team.”

I saw some guys encouraging Swish. Sorry they weren’t dancing around with their rally-caps you fucking idiot.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 25, 2008 12:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

B.A. was up.. but he was probably just scanning the crowd for hunnies.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 25, 2008 8:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Duh.

Yeah, SSH2005, you are a sorry loser.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I shouldn't respond...but you really should find a new hobby

Being a baseball fan doesn’t to be working out well. Feeling that the Sox organization has personally betrayed you this season cannot be healthy. Not making the playoffs will/would be a failure at this point. But the season as whole certainly wasn’t. But even if it was…well, you can spend your time how you want, but I think you should find something that will make you happy. In that vein I’d like to suggest some books I liked for reading to kids:

Anything by Sandra Boynton

Rhinos who play Baseball

Maybe you and your kid will like them…

by hitlesswonder on Sep 25, 2008 12:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If the Sox don't win the division, it is a choke and a failure...

Kenny and Ozzie have both said it in the past.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 12:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you really going to go with that?

Of course they say it. WHY THE FUCK WOULDN’T THEY? Do you expect KW to come out and say: “Listen folks, I know the division is important and all, but the fact that we played well enough to come this far should be enough for everyone. Great success no matter what!”

If you’re not perceptive enough to realize the quantum leap this organization made in 2008, then you might as well give up.

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 25, 2008 12:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

There is no way another second place finish is a success...

after a 2.5 game lead with 6-7 games left to play. Sorry.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 12:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fuck the big picture...

Cue fifteen years from now…
—-
SSH JR: Hey pops - I just got my report card.
SSH: Give me a look you fucking- WHAT? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? B+?!
SSH JR: I’m sorry dad. It’s AP Chem and it’s crazy difficult and I got an 83 on the final, I tried my—
SSH: But you had a fucking A- going into it!
SSH JR: Yeah but my 83 knocked it down, I just—
SSH: I oughta choke you like a fucking [insert stale reference about hooker, jizz, some combination of turpentine and ten dollars]
SSH JR: Dad! I tried—
SSH: NO YOU DIDN’T! YOU ARE THE LEAST CLUTCH SON OF MINE

by Craig Grebeck on Sep 25, 2008 1:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

while the fucker needs a good burn for all the threads he's shat on

dirty pool, man. nothing involving people’s kids.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Sep 25, 2008 1:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Disagree.

It’s about SSHs responses to the kid. The kid is inconsequential in the story.

Not dirty pool, IMO

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 6:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IT was a completely random kid.. about a possible scenario 10 years into the future. Pool’s still as clean as it can when SSH is in there.

by Grinder in Training on Sep 25, 2008 8:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I heard failure

and they say that any year they don’t win a championship. Don’t know what else you want to hear from the people in charge of an organization you’re supposedly a fan of.

by El Duque's Raft on Sep 25, 2008 12:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am going in order here, so I don't know what has been said in response here....

But if the Sox don’t win the division….

how truly difficult will it be for you to sit back and reflect positively on this season?

We have held 1st place all year (for the most part) and in the last 2 months of the season, we lost extremely key players and are still competing into the very last series of the season.

EVERYONE here will be sad and disappointed and bummed to hideous degrees if the Sox do not win the division.

But at least the rest of us will probably still be able to see the bigger picture – this has been an outstanding season to watch. We have seen fucking miracles happen this season.

It sucks right now, but I haven’t forgotten the rest it – and will not even if we choke.

This year was better than your expectations. Find solace in that.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 25, 2008 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No...

That’s a bunch of horseshit.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Then I am still sorry for you.

And you shouldn’t waste your time.

Go be a fan of a team who never fails. And enjoy.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 25, 2008 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Never failing is impossible...

Failing with a 2.5 game lead and 6 games left is a massive and disappointing choke.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You obviously don't read good.

I didn’t say it wouldn’t be a “choke.”
In fact, I think I said, “EVERYONE here will be sad and disappointed and bummed to hideous degrees if the Sox do not win the division.”

But still – it doesn’t matter. I will look at this season as a winning one, relative to what was expected and relative to what happened to last season.
We lost steam at the very end of the season – but that doesn’t negate the super mega-fun months of baseball that came before.

If you only measure success in terms of rings, then you’ve got a long time to wait for another successful season, most likely.

I hear the Twins are going to be good in the upcoming years, though…..maybe time to formally swap your colors?

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 25, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

rec.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 25, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting factoid, Cheat.

Any thoughts on why they suck with RISP in domes?

Why so serious?

by reardenmettle on Sep 25, 2008 12:57 AM CDT   0 recs

Disregard this comment, Larry.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 6:49 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you're mistaken, i'm not one who thinks it's totally ridiculous what dante says.

perhaps not quite to the lengths he goes in it but there may be something there and i’ve said so. there’s evidence one can point to both ways.

i lack the discipline to want it more.

by larry on Sep 25, 2008 8:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

one idea is that these dome teams (generally) have outfielders with good arms

and of course the turf often makes a ball get to the outfielder quicker than it would on grass and thus an already slow team becomes “slower” and less likely to score from second on a single etc. i’m sure that’s not all of it (is there ever one factor?) but it’s seems like a plausible contributor.

i lack the discipline to want it more.

by larry on Sep 25, 2008 8:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

'specially considering the clubs at hand.

And the fact that speed is our major deterrent, and the major advantage for the Twins.

This is not wholly surprising. They have 6 guys who can steal a base, no problem. And we have a catcher who can’t throw a guy out at 2nd to save his life.
Things like this tend to add up.

...and then some depressed fucked-cake eating.

by homesickalien on Sep 25, 2008 9:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Its not like we got blown out again

If you look at the box score, same # of hits, 1 more walk given up by us but 3 more strikeouts made by the Twins.

They just had a couple of bounces go their way, and some good outfield defense.

The bottom line is the bats have to come alive tomorrow. JD needs to snap out of it – with him slumping hard, we’ve effectively lost our two best hitters (him + Q).

I’d like to see Swisher in for PK tomorrow.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 25, 2008 1:09 AM CDT   0 recs

Well, everyone told me how tough it is to sweep a team when the Sox lost one to the Royals...

so we should expect the Sox to win tomorrow, right?

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 25, 2008 1:12 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, most of us hope for that

and cheer our team on.

Not you. Don’t want to be a “homer.”

Keep it real, SSH.

PS. I see you’ve been commenting on stuff on the gamethread that was written 5 hours ago, during the game. Have fun.

White Sox, that’s baseball.

by vince_ on Sep 25, 2008 1:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He's smart

He’s eliminated any margin of error. Also, anyone looking back at the thread is unlikely to notice his post came after the fact. What a smart guy!

by Crede's Crew on Sep 25, 2008 1:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right.

A fan we should expect the Sox to win tomorrow. Game’s still 0 – 0, last I looked.

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 6:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

am i missing something?

did we already lose today?

by Illini0509 on Sep 25, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

WTFAYTA?

Pitchers and catcher (as you must recall, AJ killed himself on that fateful night last September) report to ST on Saturday.

Yeah, SSH2005, you are a sorry loser.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 10:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This post makes way too much sense

The series & Season are both already over.

Nevermind that it is the Twins who are the ones needing the sweep to have a realistic shot at catching and/or passing us…

by Crede's Crew on Sep 25, 2008 1:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no walks from BHB, hopefully

as that’s how one of today’s runs got aboard.

I don’t want my beer to taste like fruit or honey. I want pussy to taste that way.

by thatshortkid on Sep 25, 2008 1:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The dreaded stretch.

; (

Everyone get down on their knees tonight and say a little (or maybe a medium sized) prayer................that Ken Griffey Jr. is not in the fucking lineup tomorrow. Call in all your chits.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 6:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Something to chew on. The Royals last 13 games.

Sat, 9/13 at Indians W 8-3 63-84 Greinke (11-10) Carmona (8-7)
Sat, 9/13 at Indians W 8-4 64-84 Tejeda (2-2) Bullington (0-1)
Sun, 9/14 at Indians W 13-3 65-84 Bannister (8-15) Mujica (2-2)
Mon, 9/15 Mariners W 3-0 66-84 Davies (7-7) Silva (4-15)
Tue, 9/16 Mariners W 6-3 67-84 Duckworth (3-1) Morrow (2-4)
Wed, 9/17 Mariners W 5-2 68-84 Meche (12-11) Corcoran (5-2)
Thu, 9/18 Mariners W 12-0 69-84 Greinke (12-10) Feierabend (1-4)
Fri, 9/19 White Sox L 4-9 69-85 Buehrle (14-11) Bannister (8-16)
Sat, 9/20 White Sox W 5-2 70-85 Davies (8-7) Floyd (16-8)
Sun, 9/21 White Sox L 0-3 70-86 Danks (11-8) Duckworth (3-2)
Mon, 9/22 at Tigers W 6-2 71-86 Meche (13-11) Miner (8-5)
Tue, 9/23 at Tigers W 5-0 72-86 Greinke (13-10) Garcia (1-1)
Wed, 9/24 at Tigers W 10-4 73-86 Bannister (9-16) Robertson (7-11)

Yeah, SSH2005, you are a sorry loser.

by ballyb on Sep 25, 2008 7:30 AM CDT   0 recs

Kudos to the Royals

They have definitely not mailed it in the last few weeks. Nor has Cleveland, now that they are almost back to full strength. I suspect that the Twins will have some difficulty in Kansas City this weekend. It’s too bad that we aren’t playing the Tigers for four. They certainly have given up.

"Dude, what the fuck?"

by thekever on Sep 25, 2008 8:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops

KC in Minnesota this weekend…

"Dude, what the fuck?"

by thekever on Sep 25, 2008 8:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That was our chance.

The Twins will win easy tonight. ’The phenomenon" continues. It is so real you can almost reach out and touch it. And the firm gripping of those bats with RISP?……just a part of it all. They are choke artists.

by dantesox on Sep 25, 2008 8:08 AM CDT   0 recs