White Sox' Pitching Holds Indians Under a Dozen
The scoreboard in right field read KC - 6, MIN - 0. John Danks was pitching well enough, and the Sox clung to a slim 4-3 lead. The door was open for the Sox to step right back into control of the AL Central race. But a tough start to the 5th inning for John Danks, and a bullpen that refuses to provide any relief slammed the door shut.
John Danks wasn't great Friday, but he wasn't nearly as bad as the box score makes him appear. His biggest crime was walking Ben Francisco in one of those How Was That A Walk at-bats immediately following a Don Cooper mound visit. Danks followed his no-out walk to load the bases with single to Shin-Soo Choo, finishing his night down 5-4.
Ozzie was forced to turn to the bullpen, which turned in a performance that would have to make even Jose Paniagua cringe. DJ Carrasco started the reliever roulette by throwing 5 straight pitches outside the strike zone to load the bases and put himself in a Here Comes A Grooved Fastball situation. Ryan Garko, homered off Danks in the 4th, welcomed Carrasco's center-cut fastball by sending it just over the outstretched glove of a wall-climbing Brian Anderson in center field.
Following the grand slam, Carrasco hit Franklin Gutierrez with a pitch. A clearly disgusted Guillen chased Carrasco from the mound and handed the ball to Mike MacDougal, of all people, in search of somebody, anybody, who could throw strikes and get a batter out. MacDougal promptly hit the first batter he saw, and fell behind the second 3-0.
Boos rained down from the crowd even before Carrasco allowed the grand slam, and though they had grown larger now that the Indians had sent 9 men to the plate and had yet to make an out, it was almost as if the sellout crowd was enjoying unloading their frustrations on the terrible display from the bullpen. Finally a strike. A huge Bronx cheer rolled through the crowd, thirsty for even the slightest display of competence.
MacDougal retired the next three batters in order to stop the bleeding, but walked the bases loaded in the next inning before being pulled. Ehren Wasserman added to the parade with a 4-pitch walk of his own to force in a run. And eventually Horacio Ramirez saw action, adding a run onto his historically bad record with the Sox.
If the Sox weren't essentially in a dead-heat in the Central with just 2+ games to play, it might be comical. But it's not. There's nothing funny about Octavio Dotel finding his dominant stuff when the game has been decided, but serving up longballs anytime the game is in doubt. There's nothing funny about a game which features double-barreled suck, while Nessie remains only a legend, an old wives tale you hear from section 160 season ticket holders. There's nothing funny about watching the season go down the tubes in the weakest AL Central division since 2000.
It says a lot about the game as a whole that when I go searching for something nice to say, I turn to a couple good effort, close but no cigar plays by Nick Swisher and Brian Anderson attempting to bring back homerun balls.
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If I could ask Don Cooper or Ozzie one question
it would be “What’s up with Nessie?”
"Not like this"
by vince_ on Sep 27, 2008 12:16 AM CDT 0 recs
It's not even that he's that great
even before he was bad in each of his last two outings, but being bad in two consecutive outings certainly doesn’t seem to be a disqualifier from Ozzie’s usage patterns. his August was certainly good enough to warrant more playing time, and a was good enough to overlook a bad start to a September where everyone has sucked
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by The Cheat on
Sep 27, 2008 12:23 AM CDT
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Well, like I said in the game thread
If we had merely bad relievers instead of unbelievably bad relievers, we probably win this game.
"Not like this"
by vince_ on
Sep 27, 2008 12:24 AM CDT
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If HoRam gets to pitch, anyone should be allowed to...
Nessie has a major league fastball, so he could be useful someday. He reminds me of guys that pop up in other team’s pen that have good heat and I’ve never heard of them but are semi-competent (2007 Brian Bruney for example, although his stuff is better obviously). I don’t get it…
by hitlesswonder on
Sep 27, 2008 1:05 AM CDT
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i think i'm just going to stay away from watching the sox
until they have a game where they’re competent in all phases.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Sep 27, 2008 1:01 AM CDT 0 recs
Lol
As much as Id like to say something about that, can I? Brutal. I don’t think I have ever felt worse than being at last night’s game.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Sep 27, 2008 9:44 AM CDT
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I actually expect the Sox to be good next year
Hell, they might even be good today. But, as you say, last night just sucked. I actually thought they’d win with Danks on the mound.
by hitlesswonder on
Sep 27, 2008 10:38 AM CDT
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danks is...what's the word?
overcooked.
i lack the discipline to want it more.
by larry on
Sep 27, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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Yeah, he's running on less than fumes
I know nothing in the way of pitching mechanics, but seeing him (unintentionally) leave pitches up in the zone so damn much is tough to watch. I was kind of thinking last night that the Sox could be compromising next season a little bit by having to go through these final games. Danks is obviously the main one I’m concerned about, but Buehrle (likely) having to go on three days rest coming off of a 120+ pitch outing doesn’t strike me as being very good either (not that the Sox can go to anybody else — it is what it is at this point).
by CWSKeith on
Sep 27, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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unintentionally?
didn’t you hear hawk last night? danks just isn’t thinking out there. that’s why he’s leaving those pitches up. duh. another guy with a lack of discipline.
i lack the discipline to want it more.
by larry on
Sep 27, 2008 1:34 PM CDT
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The reliever performance immediately following Danks
(Carrasco, MacDougal, Wasserman, Horacio) was so extreme, you couldn’t help but laugh. When the odds are 80 / 20 on a pitch being a ball from a (no 4) MLB pitcher(s), it’s comical. Could tell the by facial expressions that most Indians hadn’t experienced it before.
BTW, IMO much easier on stress levels being at the game rather than watching / listening.
Pitching and defense win baseball games in September and October.
by ballyb on Sep 27, 2008 1:02 AM CDT 0 recs
Suddenly it's 2007 again
like we’ve been cursed. Which is probably what happens when you let Ryan Bukvich pitch for your team. He’s not just a mediocre bullpen arm. He’s also a robot zombie witchdoctor.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Sep 27, 2008 1:11 AM CDT
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It's not 2007. We had 40 posts a night this time last year.
The reason everyone here is engaged is because we’ve been in it all year, and not many of us expected it. All we needed was another inning or tow in the last 2 games and we were good. Razor’s edge.
And, truly, we are (theoretically) still in it, though we sure as hell don’t look capable of winning another game against the Injuns or Tiggers (or anyone else, for that matter). Exhausted, fried, whatever. It’s been a helluva ride. If we had anyone – anyone – to bring up from the minors to give a shot of energy (even Wise looks cooked now) it would’ve helped.
Ah, hell, it’s been a good year. Still flying the 2005 flag as we play out the string.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 27, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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They made for a good summer fling
But as the times are getting serious, there’s no room for our cast of old, stupid, gentleman mashing team. The Sox simply don’t get it, they don’t even know the difference between a strategy and a tactic.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Sep 27, 2008 2:56 PM CDT
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I don't (old and slow). Enlighten, por favor.
BTW, Gators lose! BWAHAHAHAHA! Tebow =/ Jesus.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 27, 2008 3:02 PM CDT
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I'm sorry you just don't get it
How can you be a Sox fan…..when you haven’t even been to US Cellular Field? I have talked to General Manager Kenny Williams, I know what the situation is. You just don’t get it.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Sep 27, 2008 3:13 PM CDT
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If I could
raise my arms above my head, I’d flag you.
by ReservoirDog on
Sep 27, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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Good thing I have utter contempt for you
And won’t bother to make eye contact with you for over an hour.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Sep 27, 2008 4:17 PM CDT
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Also
there’s no way that the Tigers and Indians both suck next year. This was a really good chance gone to shit for seemingly no reason.
waits for someone to chime in about choking
OH WAIT LOL
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on Sep 27, 2008 1:13 AM CDT 0 recs
the tigers will be just as bad next year
they can’t afford new pitching.
won’t be active on th egamethreads this weekend, back in plainfield, so little computer access
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on
Sep 27, 2008 8:00 AM CDT
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dorrestein was good last week btw
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Sep 27, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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WAKE UP
TIME TO DROP THE CONTRACT BS AND START EXECUTING.
WAKE UP.
HE WHO DELIVERS WILL BE REWARDED IN KIND.
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Sep 27, 2008 4:10 AM CDT 0 recs
Meh
We fucking blew it again. I don’t even really want to watch this team.
And now I’m off to an ultra white trash house… last time I brought this guy his kid we had to sit under a tent while he tried to keep sneaking swigs of hard liquor
by 815Sox on Sep 27, 2008 7:05 AM CDT 0 recs
I should explain
I’m a social worker, I don’t just go hangout with guys like that for the fuck of it
by 815Sox on
Sep 27, 2008 7:06 AM CDT
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as long as he's skilled at what he does..
World, meet the Southside White Sox.
by Illini0509 on
Sep 27, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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and has years of experience
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on
Sep 27, 2008 12:43 PM CDT
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Yeah, where IS dante?
In Burma (yes, I said Burma) 815 would be President.
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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT
by winningugly on
Sep 27, 2008 2:49 PM CDT
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Bullpen remake, take four
Hermanson, Politte, Cotts, Aardsma, Cisco, McDougal, Dotel, Linebrink,…Margalus recites the litany over on his site.
by tommyjoepeters on Sep 27, 2008 9:59 AM CDT 0 recs
Holy Crap! The mobile SSS is beautiful!
When did this happen?
Can’t wait for posting abilities.
Thank you!
In two weeks they will win 7 or 8 in a row and you all will have 10 inch boners.
by Chiburb on Sep 27, 2008 10:15 AM CDT 0 recs
any idea when posting
will be available Cheat?
World, meet the Southside White Sox.
by Illini0509 on
Sep 27, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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http://blog.sbnation.com/2008/9/26/622553/sb-nation-blogs-get-mobile
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by The Cheat on
Sep 27, 2008 12:17 PM CDT
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Where was Clayton Richard?
Or for that matter Lance Broadway.
At least they both throw strikes, and Richard has been effective for stretches here and there.
"Not like this"
by vince_ on Sep 27, 2008 10:27 AM CDT 0 recs
So Vazquez will be going on short-rest again tonight? Ugh...
not that they have any better options, but man… this sucks. To be honest, I wasn’t really in to last night’s game. It’s like the Minny series killed my enthusiasm. I still want to see them win and get to the playoffs, no doubt, but I feel like I’ve never left that state of resignation.
by CWSKeith on Sep 27, 2008 10:32 AM CDT 0 recs
That was the feeling in the crowd pre game.
It was like everyone was in shock. Nervous tension was everywhere. After the 4-2 lead and then KC’s performance (sorry I wasnt around, SSH’s head probably exploded with his mancrushed getting pounded) the ballon was bust in a big way. I felt like throwing up after the grand slam.
The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.
by Tdogg on
Sep 27, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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ssh is gone,
cheat killed him.
i lack the discipline to want it more.
by larry on
Sep 27, 2008 1:14 PM CDT
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it was a mercy killing
we know you had the rope ready lare
"Deserve's got nothin to do with it."
by U-God on
Sep 27, 2008 3:57 PM CDT
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He did not throw many pitches vs. the Twins on Tuesday IIRC.
/Desperately looking for a silver lining.
by The Actual El Guapo on
Sep 27, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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thought it was in the 80s?
World, meet the Southside White Sox.
by Illini0509 on
Sep 27, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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Meche to the rescue
Royals hopefully handle the Twins before the Sox game starts.
Sox notice they are officially tied for first and this time actually play with determination to over the Central.
by Option27 on Sep 27, 2008 11:37 AM CDT 0 recs
sigh. we have to watch a lack of discipline again so soon?
Matchup: Indians (80-80) at White Sox (86-73), 7:05 p.m. CT
Probable Starters: Zach Jackson (51 1/3 IP, 6.31 RA, 1.52 WHIP, 27 K) vs. Javier Vazquez (204, 4.68, 1.31, 195)
Pythagorean Record: Cleveland, 84-76 (792 RS, 750 RA); Chicago, 87-72 (791 RS, 714 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Cleveland, #14; Chicago, #7
Prospectus: Before Vazquez made his last start in Tuesday’s opener of Chicago’s huge series in Minnesota, manager Ozzie Guillen questioned the clutch credentials of his right-handed workhorse. “He hasn’t been [a big-game pitcher]. That’s the bottom line,” Guillen told the press, and Vazquez proceeded to go out and give up five runs in four innings to Minnesota in a 9-3 loss. Vazquez pitched poorly in his only postseason in 2004 with the Yankees, but there’s little other evidence to support Guillen’s claim: Vazquez has pitched better in the second half than the first for his career, and his career September RA (4.04) is actually the lowest he has put up in any month. Vazquez can prove his manager and any doubting fans wrong tonight with a strong performance against Cleveland in this, his biggest start of the season. Getting knocked out early on Tuesday led to him throwing just 78 pitches, so Vazquez will come back tonight on three days’ rest for the second time this year. The first came two starts ago at Yankee Stadium, when he was lit up for seven runs in 3 2/3 innings after throwing 106 pitches in beating Detroit the last time out. Vazquez also lost his two other outings on short rest, in 1999 with the Expos, and in 2004 with the Yankees.
Perhaps part of the problem for Vazquez is the outfield defense behind him, and in particular having Ken Griffey Jr. trying to cover center field, as he has for the last four of the righty’s starts. Vazquez is a fly-ball pitcher, with a G/F ratio below one this season, and Griffey can no longer run those flies down in center like he used to, as evidenced by the catchable ball he let sail over his head for a Joe Mauer run-scoring double in the first inning of Thursday’s loss to Minnesota. Griffey’s 2.23 Range Factor since moving to Chicago is lower than that of any other starting major league center fielder this year, and his .864 Zone Rating is not much better. Coupled with his slumping bat, Griffey’s defense suggests that perhaps Nick Swisher (who has started just four times in the last 10 games) has been unfairly made the scapegoat in the Chicago outfield.
Matchup: Royals (74-86) at Twins (87-73), 2:55 p.m. CT, FOX
Probable Starters: Gil Meche (204 1/3 IP, 4.23 RA, 1.31 WHIP, 176 K) vs. Glen Perkins (146, 4.93 RA, 1.49 WHIP, 70 K)
Pythagorean Record: Kansas City, 71-89 (687 RS, 773 RA); Minnesota, 88-72 (821 RS, 740 RA)
Hit List Rankings: Kansas City, #24; Minnesota, #12
Prospectus: The Royals won their 12th game in the last 14 last night, preventing Minnesota from extending its half-game lead in the AL Central. You know things are going especially well for the Royals when even Tony Pena Jr. is chipping in the odd single, as he has in each of his last three games. Minnesota now has to rely on the struggling Perkins to get them a step closer to an unexpected division title, making this the biggest start of his young career. The 25-year-old left-hander will be on the mound for the first time since September 18, as he had his last turn in the rotation skipped after giving up five runs in 2/3 of an inning to the Rays. That was the worst of a rough stretch of starts; over his last four outings Perkins has given up 20 runs in 14 1/3, taking his RA up by nearly a full run. It appears that he has simply hit a wall: between the minors and majors this year he has thrown 179 1/3 innings, over 130 more than he threw in an injury-shortened 2007, and over 40 more than his previous career high of 134 in the minors during ’05. Perkins has been tagged for nine home runs in his last five starts, after being hit with 16 in his first 20. The Royals have not faced Perkins yet this season, but they hit left-handers well, with a team OPS 82 points higher against southpaws than righties.
If the Twins do manage to win the division, it will be the fifth time in seven years since Ron Gardenhire took the helm for the 2002 season. Minnesota’s run under Gardenhire is especially impressive when you consider that in none of those seasons did the team have a payroll above $71 million, according to the indispensable site, Cot’s Baseball Contracts. Here are Minnesota’s payrolls during Gardenhire’s tenure, along with where that figure ranked in the junior circuit and where the Twins finished in the Central:
Year Payroll AL Rank Finish
2008 $56.9 12 1*
2007 $71.4 10 3
2006 $63.4 10 1
2005 $56.2 8 3
2004 $53.6 8 1
2003 $55.5 7 1
2002 $40.2 12 1
*pending
i lack the discipline to want it more.
by larry on Sep 27, 2008 12:50 PM CDT 0 recs
i hate the twins.
nothing gets ‘em wetter than infrequent postings on the city’s second favorite team
by colintj on
Sep 27, 2008 12:51 PM CDT
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yeah, but who has more 2nd place finishes?
much grindier.
by Trooper on
Sep 27, 2008 1:30 PM CDT
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Winning divisions on a budget is akin to Communism
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Sep 27, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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Anyone else watching this Chicago baseball special on WGN?
by Option27 on Sep 27, 2008 1:37 PM CDT 0 recs
What else would it be?
They’re having a fine season, back to back playoff appearances is a wet dream for Cubs fans, and our team is in the process of completing another “give up winnable division to Twins because they lost important September series in the Metrodome” season.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on
Sep 27, 2008 2:33 PM CDT
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i find solace in the fact that...
…even if the sox do make the playoffs they will get their ass handed to them. this knowledge makes this choke-fest more bearable
by The Scoper on Sep 27, 2008 2:13 PM CDT 0 recs
Definitley too old for this shit
I know baseball is the one sport where all you have to do is make the playoffs and anything can happen….but I’m much happier in believing that they would have gotten uber-pwned by the Rays (2 away games in dome? roflz).
This team needs bullpen help, maybe KenWo can help us out.
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 27, 2008 2:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Also, is there a reason Richard hasn't been used in bullpen relief yet?
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 27, 2008 3:00 PM CDT 0 recs
He was
In Minnesota — didn’t work too well
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by The Cheat on
Sep 27, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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Hey Colin
heading up for the game next week, any recommendations
World, meet the Southside White Sox.
by Illini0509 on Sep 27, 2008 3:02 PM CDT 0 recs
the sixth inning was truly comical and likely very rare.
how many times has a walk, balk, and wild pitch occurred in the same inning by the same pitcher?
- B. Francisco walked
- S. Choo grounded into fielder’s choice, B. Francisco out at second
- S. Choo to second on balk
- J. Peralta popped out to shallow center
- R. Garko walked
- S. Choo to third, R. Garko to second on wild pitch
- K. Shoppach walked
- E. Wassermann relieved M. MacDougal
- F. Gutierrez walked, S. Choo scored, R. Garko to third, K. Shoppach to second
- J. Barfield struck out swinging
by explodingpinwheelsforfunandprofit on Sep 27, 2008 3:43 PM CDT 0 recs
Twins up 2-0
"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 27, 2008 3:52 PM CDT 0 recs
Just grounded into a DP
Could have been worse.
Seem to say that a lot against the Twins
by Option27 on
Sep 27, 2008 3:53 PM CDT
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if anybody wants to watch
jbasic89@yahoo.com
password jordan for my mlb.tv account
by Jbasic89 on Sep 27, 2008 4:22 PM CDT 0 recs


