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Danks, Sox Running on Empty

When John Danks labored through 4 innings on 90 pitches in his last outing, I said I wasn't worried. He had seemed fine to me in his previous start against the Rays. It wasn't until the Sox pushed back his start against the Indians that I began to sweat, and even then I thought I might just be to move Danks off of what could have been seen a sure loss in a Cliff Lee match-up. I should have paid closer attention to the warning signs, like his 5 walk start on August 16th, because now it's clear, even to this slow learner, both in the results after the ball leaves Danks' hand and in the White Sox treatment of him, that Danks has hit the proverbial wall.


John Danks Career Stats

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2008 10-8 28 28 0 0 0 0 164.2 160 65 63 13 50 134 3.44 1.28
2007 6-13 26 26 0 0 0 0 139 160 92 85 28 54 109 5.50 1.54
2006 (AA/AAA) ? 27 26 0 0 0 0 140 141 81 66 22 56 154 4.24 1.41
2005 (A+/AA) 7-13 28 27 0 0 0 0 156 167 84 76 17 50 138 4.38 1.39

Tuesday marked the first time in John Danks' professional career that he started for 28th time in a season. He matched his career high in innings pitched two starts ago with his last effective outing against Tampa. He started just one game last season in September, a 2.2 inning outing also against Cleveland, and never had to pitch deep into September in the minors. (The minor league playoffs are over by mid-September.) Given his 5-walk performance on the 16th and his inability to put hitters away in his last two abbreviated outings, it's time to throw our expectations for Danks out the window. For the rest of the season, he's no better bet to give the Sox a quality start than is Clayton Richard.

And like that, the Sox have seemingly lost most effective starter. He could make a surprise appearance down the stretch, but I know I'm not counting on it.

Meanwhile, as a team the Sox have hit .195/.257/.305 and averaged just 2 runs scored a game since my dubious "almost look like a playoff team" statement. Not coincidently, they've gone just 1-5 since then, giving back 2 games to the Twins, who themselves are struggling on a long road trip. With a rotation that now features 5 rolls of the dice--you don't know what you're going to get on any given night--the offense will have to be the driving force of the White Sox stretch drive. Unfortunately, they appear to have chosen the wrong time to find themselves in a team-wide slump.

Does it feel like 2003 to anyone else?

* * * * *

Joe Crede was removed from the game with "back stiffness" and is listed as day-to-day. Juan Uribe replaced him, and had a big 2-out double in the 6th. Crede's walk in the 5th might be the last time we see Crede as a starter in a White Sox uniform. The Sox will not offer the soon-to-be free-agent a contract this off-season, and thanks to the solid play of Uribe, both at the plate and in the field, I can't see Ozzie returning to Crede, who has reached base just 5 times since his return to the lineup over a week ago.

We'll always have 2005, JOE CREDE!

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don't say goodbye to Crede just yet
The Sox will not offer the soon-to-be free-agent a contract this off-season

But he might not get offers from anyone else either, “all-star” or no. I wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up back on the Sox next year on a one-year deal. He might not find any takers and KW/Ozzie seem to have soured on Josh Fields, so barring a trade, who else is gonna play 3rd?

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by vanillablue on Sep 3, 2008 12:24 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WE WANT CHANGE!!!!

URIBE 09!!!!!!!!!!

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life

by Hawk is God on Sep 3, 2008 1:40 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Never thought I would see that!

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 8:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goodbye, CredePopsItUp...
White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen indicated after Tuesday’s game that he’ll go with Juan Uribe at third base after Joe Crede’s back flared up and he was forced to leave the contest.
A frustrated Guillen sounded fed up with Crede. “I don’t expect Joe to play for the rest of the year,” Guillen said. “You come out of the game and your back really bothers you, I cannot count on him for the rest of the year.” Crede is listed as day-to-day and could be ready to try to play again in a couple of days, but Guillen might prefer Uribe anyway.

Source: Chicago Tribune

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 3, 2008 2:33 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wrong board

I wish he was in my fantasy league. id bury that cocksucker- KenWo4Life

by Hawk is God on Sep 3, 2008 3:22 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boone Logan

WTF?!? What happened to his “awakening” in AAA?

"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."

by thekever on Sep 3, 2008 7:50 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He awoke something

The shitty bats in the IL. He allowed 16 baserunners in 9 innings against the dregs of the league.

by Bull Pain on Sep 3, 2008 10:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crede may play before season's end - Ozzie says a lot of things in the heat/immediate aftermath of battle -

but I think he’s gone after this year. I’m very glad we didn’t DFA Juan when I suggested it in May. In retrospect, we’ve received a good bang for our buck this year with him.

As far as the “hitting the wall” thing, it looks like many players and teams might be doing the same. Who’s hottest right now? Why, the Indians, who have numerous folks coming off the DL, having rested a great part of the season. The Rays, who have Aybar and Baldelli stepping up (and Percival now coming off the DL) and have the advantage of youth. And, of course, the BoSox and Angels, who have been good all year (and Papi being DL’ed didn’t hurt his stamina in September, obviously). Our guys are old, and those twho are not (Danks, Chelexei, etc.) haven’t been through this before.

I’d not give up yet, since the Twinks are hitting a similar wall (though look for Cleveland to continue to be a tough out). We might stagger into the playoffs, which would be huge, but I can’t see us advancing past any of the other “locks” (Rays/BSox/Angels). Swisher talking about “no one expected to see us here in Sept.” crap is not a good thing tio hear. Other than Jenks still performing well down the stretch (naysayers be damned), this has a 2006 feel to it.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 8:00 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty much agree

Except I will caution at very times this year the team has looked dead on the road. Home has been good to the team and it needs to be again even with good teams to play. Overall I still think the Sox are a better team than the Twins but I have to admit over 3 weeks and with the schedules its easily a toss up.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 8:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

various times

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 8:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While the Sox had things going for them a couple weeks back (all of those Twins road games)...

the Twins now have everything going in their favor:

1.) The Twins now have around the same number of home / road games as the Sox.
2.) The Twins last series against the Sox in the last week of the season is at the Twinkiedome.
3.) The Sox will face Jared Weaver, John Lackey, Joe Saunders, A.J. Burnett, and Roy Halladay in the upcoming week or so.
4.) The Sox will likely face Cliff Lee one more time in the last series of the season.

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

by SSH2005 on Sep 3, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The asp in the Garden of Eden, you are

Serpent With Forked Tongue, I Banish Thee!!!!!!

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not disagreeing

However all those pitchers you name start their games in the Cell.

I hate the Twinkie dome but its not impossible for them to take 2 out of 3 up there. Especially if the team has a full bullpen.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 11:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hitting the wall...

The wall is only going to get harder, taller, and wider. Starting Friday, the Sox play 17 days in a row, including the last seven on the road. Better enjoy the off day on Thursday!

"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical."

by thekever on Sep 3, 2008 8:59 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we should be up 5 games by now

joking lunatic rant aside, i looked at gavin’s last 3 starts, can they be considered lucky? we may have 2 #5’s, but maybe we have 2 #3’s too…

by onlysoxfaninboston on Sep 3, 2008 8:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Incredibly bright spot. Everyone other SP look shaky at best, but Gavin keeps coming through.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 8:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't buy that.

The team has not been good on the road all year. I think we all just kind of forget that when they play well at home. Gavin has come up big lately.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 8:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They should be up 5.

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 8:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"joking lunatic rant" escape the sarcasm detector?

(Still hurting from the Rays?)

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 8:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clearly they have turned it off

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 9:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This has to do with a joking comment how?

He stated it in the post. Fer Chrissakes, SSH.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and a handful of games that the sox should've lost but pervailed

brndnprkns: I'm pretty sure the "badass" value of your life is closer to Gigli than The Dark Knight

by whitesoxmatt on Sep 3, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

certainly not looking good for our beloved White Sox

I hope Mr. Squishy plays third next year.

Uribe = Ratings.

Uribe whispered, "My precious child, I love you and will never leave you, never, ever, during your trials and testings. When you saw only one set of footprints, It was then that I carried you."

by thecip on Sep 3, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That Jerry Owens is quite the "igniter," huh?

Bwaaa haaa haaa!

I laugh, yet I’m crying inside.

So, it looks like the division will go to the team who can be slightly better than mediocre…a game or two over .500 perhaps?

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Sep 3, 2008 9:19 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

The White Sox only need to win five more games to win 82. The division winner will probably end up with close to 90 wins.

It looks more and more like it’ll boil down to that penultimate series in the Metrodome, which is a scary proposition.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 3, 2008 9:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe "penultimate" should always appear next to "erection".

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

danks may have hit the wall, but what about the twins' pitchers

i’m not going to include liriano here, but the other 4 starters are 26 or younger. blackburn and perkins have already thrown more innings this year in the majors than they have in any previous year, majors and minors combined. slowey is 24 and did pitch 200 innings last year, 133.2 in the minors and 66.7 in the majors. this year he has pitched 13 innings in the minors and 133.7 in the majors. baker has essentially tied his career high in IP in the majors this year (140.3, 143.7 last year plus another 42.2 in the minors).

perkins, with his bad outing yesterday, is the only twins starter with an ERA above 4. it wouldn’t surprise me to see some of their starters tire as well.

(just noticed that the only twins starter who has not pitched in the minors this year is blackburn)

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 3, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which might explain the Twinks also hitting the proverbial wall.

Or, as larry has postulated all season, their luck is bound to run out and expected performance wins out.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:27 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If PK or Swish the Clown were hitting...

…more than .250 we’d have those two or three games over the Twinkies.

by RoyEgan on Sep 3, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if wishes and buts were candy and nuts

we’d all have a bowl of granola.

brian anderson would've caught that...

by BuehrleMan on Sep 3, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride

 - My Mom (circa 1970)

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Sep 3, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love your Mom.

Really. Polish, is she?

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes...she whips up a mean pierogi

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Sep 3, 2008 11:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now that's a lineup. mix and match, bitches. all hands to the pumps.

OC, SS; BA, CF; Dye, RF; PK, 1B; Missile, 2B; Swish, LF; Uribe, 3B; Fields, DH; Hall, C. Vazquez pitching.

free brian anderson!

by larry on Sep 3, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is no fuckin' time for caution.

Seriously. Against a guy like Sowers? 24 games left? Tied? I’m not overreacting. He plays today, then.

by dantesox on Sep 3, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think not.

I, like you, don’t believe it’s serious. He is being overly cautious. I would normally agree with you, but not in this case.

by dantesox on Sep 3, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could that have something to do with

guys like DiceK and Lee? His numbers aren’t that “off.” This is going nowhere; we need him today and understand cautiousness when appropriate. I guess we really don’t know the severity….but , like you said earlier….This IS A CASE OF oZZIE BEING TOO STUBBORN and lacking grace in his normally sound philosophy of resting guys.

by dantesox on Sep 3, 2008 10:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right. 300 ops isn't that off.

he has looked like horseshit at the plate. one more game of that out of a different kind of stubborness doesn’t help anyone.

free brian anderson!

by larry on Sep 3, 2008 10:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

What is that from a sample of two games or 10? Come on Larry. Weak.

by dantesox on Sep 3, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't there a law against

Toby, BA and Fields being in the same line-up?

I can’t watch!

Literally…I’m at work.

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Sep 3, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Toby is The Man this year.

You have forgotten 3-Hit Toby? Come on. This game rests on the highly unpredictable right arm of Javy.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For a solid 5 innings.

"Carlos is a hit magnet…if Carlos gets hit the way he gets hit, I don't mind. But if he gets hit the way I don't think he should get hit, then it's a problem."- Ozzie Guillen (8/14/08)

by tailgater on Sep 3, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know, you can look this up rather easily. i assume a general level of knowledge and basic research skills.

of course, that assumption tends to make me look exactly like the saying says. his numbers have stunk recently. he’s looked like horseshit at the plate. the injury is obviously affecting him. i would think any dumbass who actually watches the game would have noticed that.

free brian anderson!

by larry on Sep 3, 2008 10:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you can

positively tell me it is from the “injury,” OK. yOU CAN’T.

by dantesox on Sep 3, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cmon dante

he probably needs to sit another day

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 10:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And you can tell? You have special knowledge?

Move on, already.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:40 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You could be right.

I am just leery of Ozzie being too rigid in his philophy of resting injured players and not being able to adjust when appropriate. Based on past history, I have a feeling maybe that’s what he’s doing here. That would suck.

by dantesox on Sep 3, 2008 10:43 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing most of us agree on - Ozzie handles his players very well,

especially his pitchers. You don’t think he wants to trot out his MVP candidate today? You don’t think injuries piss him off (see Crede, Joe)? Give the man some credit for being in the trenches with his guys and knowing how to manage them.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not if it helped overall

As Larry said whats more important, this one game or the final 23?

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

season over it doesn't even matter

takes some real stones for the one certifiable cocksucker on here to jump into this convo.-mm

by furby2056 on Sep 3, 2008 10:45 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

research project.

watch his at bats the last couple weeks, specifically pitches inside. then compare to at bats earlier in the season.

free brian anderson!

by larry on Sep 3, 2008 10:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its not a stretch to think he's a little tired too

he did “recover” from serious surgery

The SSS motto should be the answer to "What is our deepest fear?". Or maybe just Prozac.

by Tdogg on Sep 3, 2008 10:42 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has Ramirez...

ever batted fifth before?

That’s a pretty scary getaway lineup.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 3, 2008 10:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it Sunday, 2007?

Well, all you Fields lovers get to see him as the anchor today. All he has to do is hit Jeremy Sowers.

Doesn’t it make sense to rest a team that seems to have hit the wall?

That is all.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've got no problem

with the lineup except for NO Q and maybe Anderson’ spot in the lineup. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Fields have a nice day.

by dantesox on Sep 3, 2008 10:37 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bet he'll have a nice day.

Good per diem, Cleveland honeys are somewhat religious and plain, he gets to PLAY EFFIN’ BASEBALL for a day.

A day I can only dream about. I bet he goes 1-4, max.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course you do.

You’ve been pushing for Fields DH’ing against lefties all year.

The biggest problem, of course, is no healthy Quentin.

by The Jerry Royster Experience on Sep 3, 2008 10:38 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

less than twenty minutes to the game and no gamethread?

why does this site have six people running it again?

free brian anderson!

by larry on Sep 3, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too many chiefs.

Just effin’ do it, larry. Just do it.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we can has wiz back?

"maybe we could stop and pick up some tabasco?"

by Toonderstrook on Sep 3, 2008 10:56 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is anyone else peeking beneath Diana Ross' skirt?

Oh, it’s just me. A slave to chemical impulses.

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by SSH2005 on Aug 6, 2008 1:08 AM EDT

by winningugly on Sep 3, 2008 10:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Now" = "Not"

"god, you’re fucking stupid."
-- Larry

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